Here's another resource describing the positive values of a plant-based diet. This is a short, easy read, still very informative but a bit less academic in style than the article from my previous post.
➡️ https://cruelty.farm/environmental-impact-of-diets-meat-vs-plant-based/
They illustrate the radical difference in land use between one kind of diet and the other with this graphic...
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The world is running out of fresh water. A major cause of that is factory farming. But if we shifted to a plant-based diet...
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@breadandcircuses I'm surprised by that graph, as tomatoes are HUGELY water intensive as a crop.
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@ai6yr @breadandcircuses
214 litres of water per kilogram of tomato
Although that doesn't give the number of KCal for each.
Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer we stop murdering animals.
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@ZikZak @breadandcircuses Oh yeah, the chart is valid (animals are hugely intensive on water usage and energy inputs, etc.), just surprised that "tomato" is there as the most water efficient thing.
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@ai6yr @ZikZak @breadandcircuses
the picture is misleading.
It takes 15,000 liters of water to produce one kilo of beef.
Cocoa 27,000 liters
Roasted coffee 21,000 liters
pork 4,730 liters,
Poultry 4,000 liters
Nuts & millet 5,000 liters
Raw rice 3,470 liters
Vegetables and fruit such as carrots, potatoes and green salad are foods that require less water. All of them are under 250 liters per kilo.
I found these figures on several sites.
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@Gehtso
What exactly do you find misleading about the picture? Those numbers seem consistent with what is shown.
Or are you saying that they could have chosen a better lower-bound veggie than tomato to further emphasize how costly cows and such are? (Which I agree with, though I'm not sure I'd say that causes the image to be "misleading".)
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@FantasticalEconomics
in my opinion, the comma does not belong there.
Because for me 15,415 means 15 liters comma 415.
The people who answered above me probably misunderstood this and thought a tomato would use 214 liters of water.
Or did I not translate their answers correctly?
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@Gehtso
Ah, interesting. In 'murica it's common to place the comma there (it still means 15 thousand and the comma just helps the reader distinguish scale) so that is good to know/remember that it is not always helpful to do, depending on the audience.
I'm not sure if that was the issue the previous person had or not, but totally see where you are coming from!
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@FantasticalEconomics @Gehtso @ai6yr @ZikZak @breadandcircuses It'd be more useful to normalize by calories. 1 kg of water requires only 1 L, while 1 kg of butter has over 7000 Cal. Using the water numbers from the above chart, that leads to
Tomato: 1.18 L/Cal
Broccoli: 0.80
Peach: 2.34
Tofu: 3.03
Cheese: 0.79
Chicken: 1.97
Butter: 0.76
Pork: 2.53
Beef: 5.96
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Where do you have the numbers for cheese & butter from?
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@Seitansbraten @FantasticalEconomics @Gehtso @ai6yr @ZikZak @breadandcircuses Butter is 7.2 to 7.3 Cal/g (often quoted on nutrition labels as 102 Cal/14 g). Cheese is about 4 Cal/g (slightly higher for hard cheeses like Parmesan, a bit lower for some soft cheeses).
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@jedbrown @FantasticalEconomics @Gehtso @ZikZak @breadandcircuses I like this comparison. (yes, obviously one should move away from beef, pork, chicken!) -- I am surprised by tofu on the scale.
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Also if the butter, cheese, & beef are all coming from the same animals, how is the resource apportionment being made between each of those?
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I don't think they do. Milk cows and beef cows are often not (never?) the same animals.
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That depends on the method of farming. Factory farming tends to strictly separate milk cattle from beef cattle, but traditional farming uses/used the same animals for both. Also even in that case, cheese & butter both come from the same milk cattle.
Therefore apportionment is a valuable detail to argue against factory farming of animals, not just for vegetarianism/veganism.
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@HighlandLawyer
Fair. I'm sure all these numbers are from factory farms. Smallscale farming is likely to be different for all the numbers involved.
I'm still not sure you need to separate out cheese vs milk. Regardless of the proportion of raw milk going to the different end products, the water intensity for them doesn't change, and, unlike milk/meat, it can't be used for both.
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The original already separates out cheese & butter, which both come from the same milk. I'm assuming they're calculating the subsequent processing, though the difference is presumably taken by the resulting whey or buttermilk, which do have their own uses too.
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Because you know---THE INTENT OF THE CONTENT MEANS NOTHING because we can all rip the fucking stated info to shreds with OTHER INFO..........................
You all have now demonstrated why we cant have nice things.
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Only demonstrated what Mark Twain (and some) said.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies%2C_damned_lies%2C_and_statistics
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@ai6yr @ZikZak @breadandcircuses All relative, the other fruit are from trees which spend half their life not producing friut but still needing water
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@breadandcircuses Interesting to compare these with carbon. For instance, after beef, cheese is pretty high, while milk and eggs are surprisingly low; rice has a major methane problem, but it's still less than eggs.
If you give up one thing, give up beef. That's the most obvious message here!
https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local
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@breadandcircuses On this one I'd go further. Misinformation is too kind a word for such utter bollocks.
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@breadandcircuses it should be relative to how much people it feeds. One tomato is not enough for one person but a cow feeds a family for multiple days...
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@ivolimmen @breadandcircuses I don't think it's one tomato to one Cow. It's one kg tomatos to one kg meat
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@breadandcircuses What's up with the chicken/egg equation?
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And give up BURGERS?!?!?!?!
NEVER
I am so so glad I am old
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@breadandcircuses
I yearn for greater sustainability.
[#]RestorativeAgriculture and eating less meat would be wonderful.
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@breadandcircuses That's a pretty common take, but I doubt it's quite as simple. That water doesn't disappear into thin air. Well, some of it does, at which point it becomes rain. Some of goes into the soil. Some of it remains in the food and ends up in our guts.
Also, 1kg of beef contains ~2500kcal, while a tomato only provides ~190kcal. Not quite apples and oranges.
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@breadandcircuses
That regenerative farming techniques ones where Bob like the water that falls on the landscape is sequestered underground.. In animal life fulfills its something closer to its natural role chickens eat bugs and poop on the grass cows, eat vegetation, and poop on the grass. Happy little dung beatles burrow through it all and mix it into the soil.
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@breadandcircuses dumb question but if cheese comes from cows why so much more water for beef?
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You can only eat an animal once; milk is produced continuously.
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@breadandcircuses unfortunately, as many vegans can attest, often times people are far more concerned with defending their current choices than they are with changing to more ethical choices.
Many seem to have a certain sense of "ignorance is innocence". That isn't an unreasonable sentiment in a number of contexts, but as a consequence, education about how horrific animal exploitation is--for the animals being exploited, for the planet, and for humans--is almost seen as a type of violence. (This type of behaviour is not exclusive to veganism--similar things are also observed in attempts to educate people on queermisia, racism, and other forms of social discrimination in humans)
By educating people of these topics, you strip them of a claim to ignorance, and thus also strip them of their claim to innocence. People will fight to preserve their ignorance, even if it means willing belief in obvious propaganda projects like those from the Center for Consumer Freedom, such as "PetaKillsAnimals".
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@breadandcircuses not all ... Avocados are good for the body but not for sustainable planet specially the heavy mono-culture that are raising ...
The big issue is that there are no seasoning only heavy farming to keep all year to all world.
We are purely wasting a lot of resources.
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@breadandcircuses If we seriously reduce our beef consumption alone, that would make a big difference.
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