Pressure from employees at tech and social media companies has been one of the few things that has been effective in getting these companies to change their policies. What you do, what you say, and what you agree to build in these times matters a lot.
https://www.404media.co/its-total-chaos-internally-at-meta-right-now-employees-protest-zuckerbergs-anti-lgbtq-changes/
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@evacide my experience has been that you can exhaust yourself trying to resist these top-down policies from within, and then they happen anyway. We can't rely on employees for change, especially as it tends to land on the shoulders of the most vulnerable employees to resist.
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@RubyJones @evacide Exactly, like, there was also turmoil when Msk took over tw, but what will be the consequences? None. This shall pass and the guy will hold the reins still.
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@RubyJones @evacide Your are correct. Change (Real change) does not happen from the bottom, it happens from the top. If people at the top are not on board, good luck.
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@silfra @RubyJones If I thought that was true, my workplace would not be unionized.
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@evacide @silfra Yeah, I would not agree at all that real change only happens from the top - that's not at all what I said and sounds like defeatist, dangerous crap. But if you want change, relying on employees within a company to do it is risky and risks vulnerable people. Regulation and in this case adequate laws against hate speech that support trans people, are really important in supporting employees.
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Thats true. On civil rights matters, laws are a must. I'm sorry I misunderstood the conversation.
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@evacide Don't really agree. Look at what happened with Twitter. Plenty revolted. Musk fired huge numbers and just kept firing even at the expense of the stability of the platform. Plenty of people who thought it was going to crash outright for lack of engineers to maintain it. He ultimately just kept firing until he had a tractable workforce that would do what he wanted. I very much doubt Facebook will be any different.
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@evacide There just aren't enough people willing to quit and sacrifice their livelihoods for personal principal and the people who are there already knew they were working for a company with a long history of dubious shit.
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@evacide Same with Microsoft or Google, when they've been taking homeland security money or AI project for Israel. Are there a few people who will refuse to implement and hold a sit-in protest in some executive's office? Sure, but then they get fired and someone more tractable fills their place.
Tech workers have been, by and large, ineffective at shaping corporate culture and getting their companies to not get involved in objectionable shit.
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@evacide Is speaking out and being willing to sacrifice for your principles worthwhile? Yes. You get to wake up and look in the mirror and see someone you can stand being. But, it's been a poor way of holding companies to account.
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@Infoseepage Speaking up doesn't have to work 100% of the time in order to make speaking up worthwhile.
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@evacide @Infoseepage people are speaking up, and then getting comments removed for violating policy. That comes with a mark on your record and will get you removed. Even commenting about the comments getting deleted gets you a demerit. Observing types of people saying things as well. The mods say that internal comments aren't allowed to create uncomfortable work space, which is different than public discussions
It's uncomfortable to be surrounded
Its not as unanimous as this article says.
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@evacide@hachyderm.io @Infoseepage@mastodon.social Meta also wants to keep advertisers too. Mark Zuckerberg might cave if they start pulling out because he’s a businessman.
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@evacide@hachyderm.io @Infoseepage@mastodon.social Twitter was unique because Elon had a ton of money and simply didn't care. He was forced into buying Twitter (by his own stupidity). Mark has spent over decade trying to keep Facebook and Meta going. So there’s a very real chance that if they feel pushback from advertisers, journalists and so on that they might fold. I don’t think Mark is going to kill off his platforms to appease a man who can’t be elected again (after this term).
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @Infoseepage Elon also loaded Twitter up with debt when he bought it and he needed to cut a lot of staff in order to make up for it, so employees had no leverage.
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @evacide People made that argument about Twitter too and advertisers did leave and the company is worth a fraction of what it once was, but that didn't stay Musk's hand. Maybe Zuckerberg has other considerations, but he's absolutely chosen to align Facebook with Trump and let it be used as a platform to spread hate.
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@Infoseepage@mastodon.social @evacide@hachyderm.io not denying that - just stating that Elon didn’t spend years building up a social media site. Look at how he fangirls Trump. Elon is a conman who has made a bunch of stupid moves, he was already a grifter. Mark just wants to make money and sees that people are fixated on free speech so he wants to give what people want so people adopt his platform. Big difference
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@puppygirlhornypost2 @evacide @Infoseepage pretty sure based on the available evidence that zuck has always been a cryptofascist
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@obfusk@tech.lgbt @evacide@hachyderm.io @Infoseepage@mastodon.social yes. not denying that either. He takes on more of a "centrist" position when he can
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@evacide @Infoseepage As a rebel kid I can tell 90% it doesn't work lol
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More importantly, for their personal longterm emotional wellbeing, people should not want to work for and enable a company with such policies and such impact. So complain and complain until you are either fired or the policy changes.
People doing things for money that are diametrically opposed to their and common values is what makes capitalism so destructive, especially in tech as it impact is so wide and deep.
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They don't have to fight this alone. Zuck has nothing without users.
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@Infoseepage @evacide something similar is starting at #Meta that happened with #Musk and #Twitter. The drop in users and advertisements would have to be significant for #Meta.
Ultimately the Musk version of #Twitter survived.
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@evacide Unions. Collective action. Individuals speaking up is too much of a risk for many.
It is very brave, but not all can afford it.
Unionize.
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@evacide If only unions weren't practically demolished by the 80s.
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@evacide
🥥 Eye understand that Mr Mark Zuckerberg is resting comfortably today after having slammed his dick in a door yesterday. 🥥
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@evacide labour-unions let's goooo
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@evacide it’s not chaos, it’s one thread. Compare the number of people posting to the number of employees and… most don’t care. Alas. (Granted, other threads may be being closed…)
Not that posting in one thread will do anything to change leaderships minds anyway.
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@evacide They’ve taken the paycheck up until now. I suspect they will continue to.
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@keyboardg If I didn't think it was possible to get people to take collective action to change the world, I would have picked a different career.
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@evacide It is worth supporting those willing and able to leave. Meta will suffer in some way with inferior backfills.
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Honestly, I find hard to believe that anyone working for Meta could think to act as a positive force for the world. Or be surprised now.
Of course a job is (well, mostly) a job, we all need money and whatever. But huh, it's Meta, the technofash war machine. Not exactly a secret.
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@evacide
I will vote with my feet…
Just walk away from these evil bastards.
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a very sad and disgusting thing he has done!
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@evacide Time to cue @jwz's "If you work for Facebook, quit." missive.
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@evacide Read the article. There is no “discourse” on Facebook, only abuse.
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@evacide EDIT: Please gather your momentum, Meta employees. Do what's not only best for society, but for the sustainability of your own company. Put a stop to these short sighted plays for local government favor.
[#]meta #MetaPlatforms
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@evacide great, at least someone has morals, ethics and common human decency. He certainly doesn't appear to.
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@evacide very much agreed
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@evacide these are employees who’ve been building and maintaining the torture nexus since they signed on to work with meta - if they wanted to avoid doing harm they wouldn’t be working there, it’s likely a lot of this protest is from employees who are lgbtq+ and oops now metas harms are directed at them, they were fine with the genocides but this was way too far (for them, personally)
:floofMug: didn’t the EFF just put out a statement of support for metas moderation changes like a day ago?
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@Mudlark https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/01/metas-new-content-policy-will-harm-vulnerable-users-if-it-really-valued-free
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@evacide yes I've seen that retraction post, but initially on the 7th the EFF put out a shorter statement of support for the changes: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/01/eff-statement-metas-announcement-revisions-its-content-moderation-processes
and only walked it back later on, after the backlash that we're seeing now. The EFF still wrote a praising (cautious optimism? either way - positive sentiment) article for meta based on a PR release that they were reducing their moderation efforts - despite meta's abysmal track record - which is just wild
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@Mudlark I had zero involvement in the drafting of either blog post.
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@evacide I know, I'm not accusing you of being involved :floofHeart:
providing context for the part in my first reply above about the EFF statement, as the one you linked wasn't the one I was referring to.
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@Mudlark My point in linking the second post is that it directly addresses the first post.
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@evacide - which is why the broligarchy is so stoked that tech has started mass-firing people & why they're so keen to import underpaid precariat workers for the tech sector; if you're worried about losing your job, you're less likely to protest when told to do something shitty...
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