A reminder that Greenland is part of the Overseas Countries and Territories (OCT) of the EU and Greenlandic citizens are EU citizens.
Any move by Trump and the US to invade and annex Greenland would be a declaration of war with the EU and a gross violation of its 1951 treaty to protect Greenland from attack. (Though not ironic as the mafia never protects you from itself.) Furthermore, an attack on a NATO member would be deemed an attack on all other NATO members (Art 5) and a violation of the treaty (Art 8).
If neither EU nor NATO members did anything to protect Greenland/Denmark against the US’s overwhelming military might (as is likely) – and, remember, US troops are already in Greenland and in other EU countries also – it would signal that no EU or NATO state is safe should a stronger military decide to invade.
If anything, if the EU hasn’t understood it yet, it must start treating the US not as an ally but as a threat. Trump isn’t a clown. He’s the fascist leader of the country with – in the words of Kamala Harris – the world’s most lethal military.
We must shore up our defenses because it is becoming impossible to ignore that the EU is caught between two hostile forces: a fascist US on the one side and a fascist Russia on the other, neither of which have two shits to give about international law (that was a quaint concept while it lasted, wasn’t it?)
Either we learn to defend ourselves in the EU or we become a vassal state of Gilead. And, as much as I oppose militaries – in a world in which they very much exist – I’d much rather it wasn’t the latter.
https://www.salon.com/2025/01/24/horrendous-call-with-denmark-pm-over-greenland-deal-left-danes-in-crisis-mode/
[#]USA #fascism #EU #Greenland #Denmark #NATO #war
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@aral I had never hoped that I would endorse more military production in the EU but reality reshaped that opinion.
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@pellechristensen I hear you. smh We could have been anything and this is what we chose to be. Humanity, I mean. Here’s hoping there’s a path away from all this that means we still can be.
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@aral No notes.
This is it. And it needs to start TODAY.
America has become a cannibal, a predator, ready to eat its allied forces.
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@aral I’m an U.S citizen living in NY….at this point I think it’s time for the E.U, and China to hit us with heavy sanctions and trade embargos.
You all may not understand how quickly this country/Trump’s admin is going to collapse the second the price of goods rise, or we walk into an empty grocery store
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@wonkothesane @aral The latter could(/will?) even happen before anything else - when the ICE follows the plans re undocumented people.
Farmers won't be able to deliver.
And in addition bc all planned cuts the meat production will face the same.
So either way the US is fucked (by oligarchs that is) and with the US citizens the allies.
So the sooner you'll "sort this out" the better for everybody.
Good luck 🤞
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@grootinside @aral This is true, but the point I wanted to make is that the E.U doesn’t need to worrry about our military when they can simple blow on our economy and knock it over
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@wonkothesane @aral In my pov nobody(?) seem to realise:
With that group of oligarchs the orange guy is backed by the most powerful companies of the planet. They can switch of satellites (communication), restrict internetfunctions (cloudservices...) restrict trades (Amazon...) and functions in OS (MS, Apple...)... Not to forget, global institutions like ICANN, UN... are based in US.
With such uninhibited egos EVERYTHING is possible, proven every day.
Btw. #panamacanal means tradecontrol.
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@grootinside @wonkothesane @aral
The Panama Canal is important waterway, but when it dried up last year, the shipping business routed around the tip of South South America. It’s an annoyance and it adds to expense, but it doesn’t stop trade. But you’ve raised an interesting point what set him on Panama. This is not an idea that come out of his own head. Somebody is saying things to him.
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@grootinside @wonkothesane @aral Which is why the EU and other nations should have already switched to FOSS and decentralized software and OSes, mesh networks, community gardens and local artisans for self-sufficient neighborhoods and more. America is a symptom of the root cause.
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@grootinside @wonkothesane @aral True, but don't forget it will affect their income as well. For instance can't imagine Microsoft would see everyone flee to Linux, or Amazon loosing business. The latter would probably happily be taken over by e.g. AliExpress. International comms might be an issue but Europe has own satellites.
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@grootinside
There are European alternatives to all the US companies you mention. It's just a matter of political will and industrial policy (meaning: spending euros on European solutions and providers).
@wonkothesane @aral
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@grootinside
Don't misunderstand me: it would be insanely painful and costly. But the EU could pull it off.
@wonkothesane @aral
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@ParadeGrotesque @wonkothesane @aral Yes, the EU could!
Unfortunately there is few to no political will to see until today. 😒
Instead right wing partys and policies are on the rise paving the way to brake up the EU, ready to align with the #Trumppack 😡 or even #PutinIsaWarCriminal
[#]Meloni #Orban #AFD ...
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@grootinside
You are correct. We can either be the little poodles of somebody else, or throw Meloni and Orban out, lock the obvious collaborators (Le Pen, AFD) behind bars, and go our own way.
I suspect there is a majority of people in the EU who want nothing to do with either Trump or Putin. But I may be mistaken.
As the ancient Chinese curse says: "May you live through interesting times". And there we are.
@wonkothesane @aral
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@ParadeGrotesque @grootinside @wonkothesane @aral nodds in agreement
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@kkarhan @ParadeGrotesque @wonkothesane @aral And yet
there is STILL a lack of political will to ban the party. 😡
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@grootinside @ParadeGrotesque @wonkothesane @aral not entirely.
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@kkarhan @ParadeGrotesque @wonkothesane @aral
Our german parliament only needs to submit an application to our Federal Constitutional Court to examine a ban on the AFD party. This could've been done afaik even by only the chancelor. Yet, to many of the members of the Bundestag are hesitating. ("It could go wrong"🙄 ) despite all evidence.
And it's NOT up to them to decide about a ban, ONLY to submit the application.
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@grootinside @ParadeGrotesque @wonkothesane @aral precisely that is the problem.
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@grootinside @wonkothesane @aral
This.
And it's already happening:
Headline: "Farm workers ditch shifts amid ICE raid fears as food prices set to skyrocket"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/farm-workers-ditch-shifts-amid-ice-raid-fears-as-food-prices-set-to-skyrocket/ar-AA1xGkMs
[#]ICE #USPol
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@wonkothesane @aral Unfortunately, in the US a government can't actually "collapse". No matter how bad a job the President does, he gets four years, unless he gets impeached. More, given the Supreme Court and Congress, he won't impeached.
Parliamentary democracies really do win on that issue, where a Prime Minister can lose his job in minutes if he really fucks up.
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@TomSwirly @aral You really do not need to explain to me how the U.S government works. Trump has 4yrs in office, but Congress only gets 2. If public sentiment can be turned enough we could see democrats take over Congress. As worthless as they are it would allow opposition
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@wonkothesane @TomSwirly @aral
Thank you Michael. And to Tom i would say, things only feel like they can't change until they do. And when they do it will be sudden.
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@RnDanger @wonkothesane @TomSwirly @aral Trump's Greenland gambit is being orchestrated by his overlord Putin. Denmark is a NATO nation as well article 5 gets invoked
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@VikingStorm @wonkothesane @TomSwirly @aral
I do think the intent is to spread Europe's military thin, yes. I think Putin gave him the idea.
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@wonkothesane @TomSwirly @aral I wonder though if they can manufacture compliance quickly. They instituted "support our troops" pretty quickly with legacy media, now they have that and social media with AI modeling to predict and improve algorithm efficacy
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@TomSwirly I don’t know the US system but surely invading an ally and fellow nato member would be grounds for impeachment
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@LynMhairi @TomSwirly Impeachment requires a majority os Senators in his party to vote for it, which hasn’t happened since the 1800s. These same senators just knowingly approved a full blown violent drunk and domestic abuser whose only qualifications are some enlisted service in a state militia and being a popular right wing propagandist on Fox to be the American Secretary of Defense. So one shouldn’t hold one’s breath.
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@TomSwirly @wonkothesane @aral
The US system is really an elected monarchy.
[#]fascism #usa #dictatorship #military
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@TomSwirly @wonkothesane @aral
[#]usa #fascism #dictatorship #war #empire
There is virtually no way to remove an inept or corrupt executive, SCOTUS, or senator in the US system. There is a process, but it is unobtainable
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@wonkothesane @aral
Thankfully, the GOP and Trump are doing everything they can to ensure that the store shelves go empty and the price of everything goes through the roof, quite likely with an economic collapse in short order.
But I would not suggest that it would be a home by Christmas effort. The money behind the GOP, plutocracy itself, is transnational in scope.
Crippling billionaires, devastate their wealth. More than military effort, dismantling wealth is of utmost importance.
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@GhostOnTheHalfShell @wonkothesane @aral
Crippling billionaires, devastate their wealth. More than military effort, dismantling wealth is of utmost importance.
I certainly don't disagree with that strategy!
But I've also heard the point made that, in the event of an economic collapse, the billionaires + oligarchs will actually be ok . . . their assets are diverse.
My rough sense of the reasoning behind these self-destructive moves is that, in the event of economic collapse, it gives corporations an opportunity to buy up property and companies in the wreckage . . .
[#]USPol
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@dusk @wonkothesane @aral
Yes, exactly. There's a distinction these days in that the wealth of billionaires is predicated on the stock market.
An implosion, especially of Tesla stock, for example, would crater most of their wealth.
Normally, the wealthy absolutely love the economic crisis just for the reasons that you've enumerated, but this hyper-financialized world is a global ponzi scheme, much of their wealth will disappear with it.
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@wonkothesane @aral
say it with me: #BDSTheUSA
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@wonkothesane this needs to happen immediately. I’m already tired of the illusion of normalcy.
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@wonkothesane @aral @wellingtonrock
We (EU) do something else: We offer tuition-free studies in many parts of the EU, e.g. in most of Germany! https://www.study-in-germany.de/en/
(Yes, get a Porsche-, Mercedes- or BMW-grade degree, tuition-free. In a country which still has a big US community. With free healthcare for students and a growing number of courses in English. There's a catch, though: You need to deposit a fixed sum covering life expenses upfront, which will be your monthly income during study)
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@wonkothesane @aral
Trade embargoes? How quaint.
Stop buying US debt: the US dollar will crater and take the rest of the US economy with it.
Remember that the US Government has to vote to raise its own debt ceiling regularly -- which is a great occasion of politic posturing for the Republicans (but I digress).
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@wonkothesane @aral Maybe. But the usual trick for fascists when their actions make things work is to say this proves they need more power. Trump's trying to do the things needed to bring down egg prices you see, but he's being blocked at every turn by the bureaucrats, or the judiciary, or the blue states. Just remove one more check and balance, bring one more thing under direct control of the president, and then the good times will come.
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@aral
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_warfare
Adjusting the respiration of a few key individual Americans would be far more effective than any form of stand-up warfare would be.
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@aral
Would that be the same kind of guarantee that Ukraine received in return for giving up nukes?
When do Denmark and Canada mobilize?
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@aral
The French seem to have realized the threat from the US. Germany hasn’t or can’t do anything about it. Italy, Poland, among others seem to relish more US control. The UK is a complete vassal state.
I’d be shocked if any European state would raise a finger in the face of any takeover of Greenland. Or Denmark for that matter.
[#]greenland #europe #usa #fascism #dictatorship #empire
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@nilsskirnir
Keep on mind that Italy has an openly fascist givernment right now, who is very happy at how things are turning around. The only saving grace is that Italy has a ton of balances and checks, so there is only so much the government can do.
Poland also has a largely fascist government, but they hate Russia with the fury of a thousand suns (for obvious historical reasons).
@aral
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@j_bertolotti @nilsskirnir @aral
The US is supposed to have checks and balances too. They failed, or we wouldn't have reached the point of Trump being reelected in the first place.
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@pteryx
I am sorry to break it to you, but the US have no separation of powers, so there is little barrier for a single group to get all the power.
(Mind you, here in the UK where I live it is not much better. Things here work under the assumption that "surely nobody is going to be so rude as to do that!")
@nilsskirnir @aral
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@j_bertolotti @nilsskirnir @aral
I'm left to wonder what you're defining as separation of powers, then.
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@pteryx If the head of the executive power can decide who the judges are, they have power over the judicial system, which means the two powers are NOT separated.
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@j_bertolotti
Except that those nominations then have to be confirmed by Congress.
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@pteryx Which is the legislative power. Still no separation.
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@j_bertolotti
What are you proposing, that in addition to a president, hundreds of Congresspeople, and all our state and local elections, we also elect thousands of Federal judges, with this somehow not ending up with us having even more partisan judges?
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@pteryx Have you ever thought about looking what other countries do?
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@j_bertolotti @pteryx @aral
England is much better off in this regard.
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@j_bertolotti @pteryx @aral
Sadly, for all the good points of the English system, the UK is now a US vassal state.
[#]usa #uk #dictatorship #war #fascism
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@j_bertolotti @pteryx @nilsskirnir @aral Explain Brexit then... because surely, the idea of criminalizing immigrants is what prompted Brexit not any of the other nonsense about economics. I would argue its really rude to shun you neighbors in need.
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@pteryx @j_bertolotti @aral
The US system of ‘checks and balances’ is largely mythical. All it took to completely break it was SCOTUS handing Bush the presidency in 2000. Then the same court ruling that the President has unlimited powers. And someone who wants to be Caesar (or at least Sulla)
[#]usa #fascism #dictatorship
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@j_bertolotti @aral
And vice versa re Russia. For similar historical reasons
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@aral “the call frightened Danish authorities and moved both parties farther from a deal.” What weird framing. This is Trump-speak. There is no “deal” to be had. There is nothing on the table that Trump is entitled to. He’s not entitled to Greenland, not a bit of it. Greenland belongs to itself. Making a “deal” about Greenland is a non-starter.
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@juliette “The villain pointed his gun at her head. She moved her head away, moving both parties farther from a deal.”
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@aral Trump lives in a world where everything and everyone can be bought, you just have to find the right price. That’s because he’s surrounded himself with people he did buy, including his wife and children. He literally cannot fathom that some things are not and will never be for sale. All those who are not for sale have stepped as far away as possible from him.
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@aral Journalists need to stop playing along and acting as if there is something the Danes and the Greenlanders want in exchange for Greenland. They just want to be left the fuck alone.
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@juliette @aral He's a soulless embodiment of "the market".
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