Imagine a factory where Trump's anti immigration goons show up, in tactical gear, guns polished, flashlights charged, radio codes memorized, riot ready. And 100 Hispanic looking people get to take a 2 hour paid break while an HR geek goes through a list and repeatedly says "no, here's what we have" from a list of names and soon 100 girlfriends and wives start showing up with paperwork too.
All because MAGAts who called a snitch line don't know the difference between skin color and legal status.
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Also, because Trumpi will target the good cities, the local police start showing up, till they out number the thugs, to make sure no citizen is kidnapped on 'suspicion' without any evidence of a crime.
I'm in the US, have worked 34 years along side many ethnic and first generation American peers, all of whom worked as hard or harder than anybody, and I don't know of any employer who did not gather proof of work eligibility.
I have heard of it happening, in red states. But no proof.
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Trump deported a couple of people that were actually citizens, i think. I know there was one, at least.
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@RnDanger @Urban_Hermit ICE detained lots of legal residents (I don’t know if any were citizens) even before Trump. It was a frequent problem during the Obama administration.
Well, it was a problem for a lot of people, I guess not for ICE
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@MisuseCase @RnDanger when I used to work security, in my state that has good training, illegal detentions were a significant training issue because the situation flips to kidnapping instantly if you are not justified. That is similar to our police, do they have enough reason for an arrest, enough evidence to hold somebody? Most cases are quietly worked out, out of the press's awareness, if possible.
But unjustified, illegal raids, in our town? Illegal detention camps in our state? Oh, eff NO!
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I was trying to find this story..
Feds raided a poultry plant in Mississippi on the first day of school in 2019, likely because they were organizing their labor.
https://www.workers.org/2019/08/43300/
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I doubt HR will be consulted. They'll round everyone up, drive them away, put them in a warehouse, take their phones and wallets/purses, and then expect them to figure out how to prove they're here legally. The goal here is not to get rid of undocumented people. The goal is to get rid of non-whites. They plan to deport citizens anyway. It won't be their problem.
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@MissGayle I know that's what they think, I know that's what they want US to think. They want us to just let it happen. But employing someone with no legality to work in the US is a serious crime, with significant fines for the business, so they are going to defend their interest.
And they are going to target the good states that resist tyranny, not the shit holes where conservatives roll over for thugs, so things are going to get legally complicated, instantly.
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The second thing I added, where local police show up to make sure nobody is being taken away without cause, preventing illegal kidnappings, that will be in only a small number of states and cities, but I know there are good cops out there, and there are mayors and police chiefs who are not going to stand for citizens being grabbed and detained without charge.
The conservative plan only works if there really are tons of 'illegals' who have done something wrong. Messaging vs reality.
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I just don't think the local police are going to do that. They're not immune from being arrested and hauled off themselves by federal authorities for "aiding and abetting crimes" or "interfering" with federal agents.
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@MissGayle I think some police departments will roll over, some will even offer to assist. But a few will ask for volunteers and will stand up, and as part of their official job duties in preventing the crimes of kidnappings and illegal detention they will get the full backing of a state legal defense.
Rounding up people and detaining them without sufficient cause is illegal under state law, even if the feds are the ones doing it. Wasn't a problem when the people really were criminals.
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@Urban_Hermit
I hope so.
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@Urban_Hermit @MissGayle really. Who do you think is gonna pick crops, wash dishes, clean hotels. A day without Mexicans should be mandatory.
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Apparently they think white incels will take sub-living wage manual labor jobs. It's delusional at best. These young men think they're entitled to be rich with no education or experience.
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@MissGayle @Urban_Hermit they’re going to find out in short order.
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@MissGayle @Tbsa too many bigoted white guys with hierarchy problems think they deserve to be managers, despite the fact that they are not inclined to read anything. "No, you are the low paid workers now."
Frankly, all bigots are unskilled workers. To dangerous to have any authority, or to work unsupervised, no mater what else they do. That is not going to change, no matter who they voted for.
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Yes nothing seems to be pushing high school graduation as being enough to make life tolerable because there is no intention for there to be "enough" jobs
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@i_give_u_worms @Tbsa @Urban_Hermit
Wall St doesn't intend for there to be enough jobs, true. We as communities need to channel young men who aren't interested in college not just to "manly" hands-on professions like wiring or plumbing, but also into useful artisan craftsmanship. Think about what's going to happen during climate & economic collapse. We get almost all household goods from overseas. Part of ReLocalization is ReSkilling. Someone need to make stuff, esp non-electric style things.
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@MissGayle @i_give_u_worms @Tbsa @Urban_Hermit Revive local guilds and apprenticeships, maybe. No shortage of things to work on https://www.cd3wdproject.org/CD3WD/INDEX.HTM
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@shonin @i_give_u_worms @Tbsa @Urban_Hermit
Yes, this!
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@MissGayle @i_give_u_worms @Tbsa @Urban_Hermit I wish there were a greater & more enthusiastic market for doodad repair. Since many young men enjoy competition, "are you clever enough to repair THIS economically?"
Later: oops, did not see the earlier part of this thread til now & did not mean to detour.
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@3dogcouch @MissGayle @i_give_u_worms @Tbsa no, no, no, I love the detours. Natural conversations, and so many good points!!
Thank you Gayle!!
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Doodad repair is a big deal
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@MissGayle @Tbsa @Urban_Hermit They have parents to support them, don't they?
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Parents become old and disabled eventually.
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@MissGayle @Tbsa @Urban_Hermit And die--and then the incel discovers that healthcare for the parents ate up all that inheritance they thought they were entitled to.
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@LPerry2 @Tbsa @Urban_Hermit
Indeed. If only they had supported single payer universal healthcare. Instead, the hospital / nursing home will take their house and toss them out on the street. Apparently, their desire to deny mecical care to POC and non-christians was worth it.
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@MissGayle @LPerry2 @Tbsa @Urban_Hermit parents of this generation have trillions to leave behind.
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@Beachbum @LPerry2 @Tbsa @Urban_Hermit
Nobody I know has trillions to leave behind. Once the hospital or nursing home takes everything, the incels are going to have to find a way to support themselves, or be homeless.
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@MissGayle @LPerry2 @Tbsa @Urban_Hermit I mean as a whole. They are calling it the Great Wealth Transfer. https://www.fundssociety.com/en/news/mercados/ready-set-go-124-trillion-dollars-will-change-generations-by-2048/
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I'm for rounding up the Incels and having them pick crops, , they need to be doing something besides trolling women on the Internet, and going to their militia gathering third Friday of every month
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Why, why, oh why can not I boost this more?
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@Urban_Hermit
The business owners will never get charged with anything. They could have been doing that all along.
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@MissGayle @Urban_Hermit How many not whites voted for that thinking it wouldn’t be them?
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@MissGayle @Urban_Hermit no no, that’s the terrible part. They don’t plan to deport people, they just plan to put them in detention centers then send them to work at Tyson chicken factory and out in the fields to pick the crops. The factories will pay the present something but the prison won’t pay the people anything.
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