Lots of questions about :PixelFed: Pixelfed right now! π
The most common Pixelfed questions are answered on the Fedi.Tips website at this link:
β‘οΈ https://fedi.tips/pixelfed-photo-sharing-on-the-fediverse
If you want to find people to follow on Pixelfed, there's more info here:
β‘οΈ https://fedi.tips/finding-people-to-follow-on-pixelfed
Here's how to import your data from Instagram to Pixelfed:
β‘οΈ https://fedi.tips/how-do-i-import-my-instagram-account-data-to-pixelfed/
If you want to receive DMs from strangers on Pixelfed, you need to activate that option:
β‘οΈ https://fedi.tips/dms-arent-getting-through-to-me-on-pixelfed-what-do-i-do
[#]FediTips #Pixelfed
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p.s. Please do read the link in the post, it really does answer a lot of common questions about Pixelfed! π
Here it is again:
β‘οΈ https://fedi.tips/pixelfed-photo-sharing-on-the-fediverse β¬ οΈ
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p.p.s. A lot of people asking how they can crosspost from Mastodon to Pixelfed. The answer is this:
You do not need to crosspost from Mastodon to Pixelfed. Your posts on Mastodon are already visible to people on Pixelfed, because Mastodon and Pixelfed are both part of the same social network.
(The same in reverse, posts on Pixelfed are visible to people on Mastodon.)
Some of the accounts you see on here are Mastodon, some are Pixelfed, some are other types, but you can follow all of them.
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p.p.p.s. People asking about the "log in with Mastodon" option on Pixelfed, the short answer is: you probably shouldn't use this option.
Longer answer: the "log in with Mastodon" option on Pixelfed doesn't actually do what it claims. What it actually does is create a new Pixelfed account for you, and copies over some of the information from your Mastodon account onto that new Pixelfed account.
You end up with two separate accounts (Mastodon and Pixelfed) without any connection between them.
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@FediTips #Pixelfed is the best thing on the internet.
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@FediTips That's the beauty of it π₯°
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@FediTips I couldn't set up pixelfed using this Masto account.
Do I need a new one? Should I move?
It's not clear to me. I thought they were separate.
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@noodlemaz @FediTips you can follow Pixelfed accounts from your Mastodon account, but if you want to post on a Pixelfed instance, you need a Pixelfed account (and vice-versa)
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@Ash_Crow @FediTips yes I tried to 'log in with mastodon' and it said no can do for this server. So presumably my pixelfed stuff wouldn't automatically show on this feed if I set up a new one...
The post above confused me
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@noodlemaz @Ash_Crow
If you want your Mastodon posts to show up on Pixelfed, you don't need to do anything because all Mastodon posts are already visible on Pixelfed.
There's no need to log in on Pixelfed if all you want is for your posts to show up there.
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@FediTips @Ash_Crow OK I see. No, I wanted it to replace IG posts..!
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@noodlemaz
If you want to do a replacement for IG, then I'd strongly recommend signing up on a Pixelfed server and using that account separately from your Mastodon one.
A lot of people have two accounts so they can use one for general social media and one for image-based accounts. You can advertise both your accounts and people can follow both.
More info on where to sign up at https://fedi.tips/pixelfed-photo-sharing-on-the-fediverse/
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@FediTips this feels like when I had a phone and an ipod
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@Ash_Crow @noodlemaz
That's not the same thing as crossposting. Crossposting means you repeat your post on other networks.
But Mastodon and Pixelfed are on the same network, so there's no point crossposting.
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@FediTips
Agreed, do not use it...
I don't know what it actually did when I tried it, but nothing useful came from that.
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@FediTips I wish I had known that earlier. Also, the concept of federation here may not be clear for everyone. For instance, when joining #Mastodon initially, and later #PixelFed I was under the impression one could log into other services with one set of credentials - but that was not the case. Not a big deal but would have been nice to know that ahead of time.
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@FediTips is it correct to call it
Create new pixelfed account by importing mastodon profile?
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@ujeenator
That would be a much better name for it, yeah. This was suggested on the Pixelfed github but for some reason it wasn't followed up:
https://github.com/pixelfed/pixelfed/issues/4606
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@FediTips
@ujeenator
That was clear for me, after account creation (to name it "import profile data" would be useful though).
Separate server in the fediverse, separate account (no nomadic accounts, without the exception of Hubzilla, but not with ActivityPub).
But that is, what I want to have - another account for other purposes and other features on pixelfed but easy sharing with other Fediverse platforms.
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@FediTips βYou end up with two separate accountsβ
But donβt You end up with that anyway? You need to create an account on a Pixelfed server regardless.
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@mez @FediTips
It depends on your preference.
If you want to separate your photo uploading and interacting activities from your text posting activities, then yes, you need to create two accounts: one on a Mastodon server, one on a Pixelfed server.
If you have an account on a Mastodon server and you want to follow accounts on a Pixelfed server, you do not need to create an extra account. The ActivityPub protocol enables you to interact with accounts on different server types.
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@NoOnesRival @FediTips Right, so if I want to actually use Pixelfed, for either nicer image type post viewing or creating, I need the separate account on a Pixelfed server. I canβt use the Pixelfed app or web app with my Mastodon account.
I donβt know the protocol enough to know why not though. I thought the AP entities for Pixelfed and Mastodon were basically the same, just with differences in creation and what part of the post was highlighted.
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@mez @NoOnesRival @FediTips Bookmarking this cause I have the same questions.
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@mez @NoOnesRival @FediTips It's because your credentials and login information are stored by the server that hosts your account (eg mastodon.social). That server can either run Mastodon or PixelFed, but not both at the same time. So if your profile lives in Mastodon, you can't log into pixelfed, even tho your posts show in both!
Similarly, you can have a Gmail, but not log in on Outlook web. Even tho emails can be sent to both, the Gmail server saves your password information.
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@AguiarPhys @NoOnesRival @FediTips But I can use gmail.com or Thunderbird to send emails from my gmail account. Itβs a different interface. How come I canβt use Pixelfed (the app) to send and look at image content from my Mastodon account. Is the content actually different between the two services?
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@mez @NoOnesRival @FediTips That's a good point, considering there are hundreds of 3rd party apps for mastodon that connect to your account and pull all the data from the server it should be possible to make an 'instagram-looking' app for any fediverse account. I think you're correct! I wonder if this is something pixelfed might work on now that they have official mobile apps.
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@AguiarPhys @NoOnesRival @FediTips Okay, so a choice not a protocol limitation. It would be handy to have the option to use the same account.
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@mez @AguiarPhys @NoOnesRival
There's nothing technically to stop an app communicating with all kinds of different server types.
The app Fedilab for Android does just this, it is a sort of swiss army knife of Fediverse apps.
In the case of the official Pixelfed app, the developers have chosen to only make it communicate with Pixelfed servers. But you don't have to use the official app, you can use third party apps (including Fedilab).
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@mez @NoOnesRival @FediTips That is not possible with ActivityPub, your identity and social graph is tied to a server that implements a specific app like Mastodon or Pixelfed.
What you describe is how ATproto functions where the user data and social graph are seperate to the appview. So you can use the same account with the same followers in different types of applications.
With ActivityPub you can only consume multiple appviews but not post in their specific context.
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@timonsku @NoOnesRival @FediTips Can you go in to more detail? I get the servers are different and hence the identity is unique there, but is there something in AP that prevents the PixelFed apps from allowing login with a Mastodon server and only displaying & creating posts with photos? (ignoring PF's differentiators like more photos per post)
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@mez @NoOnesRival @FediTips because there is no mechanisms in AP to facilitating something like OAuth and there is no way to write the schema of one application into the database of the account that was created for another application. Account and application is inherently tied to each other in AP services like Mastodon on Pixelfed. You would need some API for that which would allow for that and something like that is not standardized AP because accounts are assumed to be tied to applications.
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@mez @NoOnesRival @FediTips That we can render posts from other applications is mostly down to them formating things in a compatible way but that does not always work so you have types of content that can't be federated to other application types if those applications don't have a content schema that could map to it. A simple photo post of a single photo on pixelfed can be a standard post without a text on Mastodon but if they were to do stories that could not really translate over to Mastodon.
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@mez @NoOnesRival
The AP protocol is for communications between servers, sort of like how 5G networks allow communications between phones. All it does is connect servers, it doesn't store any info about those servers or determine how those servers operate.
Servers on the Fediverse are deliberately independent, without any central database which could fall into the wrong hands. That's why accounts are tied to particular servers.
Different types of Fedi servers can do totally different things.
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@mez Yes, but the way it is worded makes it sound like the opposite: as if you can use an existing account and just "log in" to Pixelfed. The wording "log in with" is the confusing part because it doesn't make clear you are in fact creating a separate, new account.
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@mez
Some people think they can somehow link accounts, which is why this sign in option is so misleading. It doesn't link anything, all it does is make a new account.
And if you just want your Mastodon posts to be visible on Pixelfed you don't need a Pixelfed account at all, as Mastodon accounts are already visible on PIxelfed.
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@FediTips
Right, but it DOES look for if any of your Mastodon followers are also on Pixelfed, etc. which is very handy for getting started.
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@SmartmanApps
It's all one social network, you don't need to follow people separately on different platforms.
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@FediTips
You do if they post different content on different platforms!
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@SmartmanApps
You can see the photos people post regardless of which platform you're using.
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@FediTips
Right, but if you create a Pixelfed account WITHOUT using the Mastodon option, and you WEREN'T following their Pixelfed account already, then you won't know they're on Pixelfed! That's what that option is good for - finding the Pixelfed accounts of people you're following on Mastodon!
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@FediTips @SmartmanApps how can I look for Mastodon followers that are also on Pixelfed?
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@FediTips
Hi there- Iβm having what seems like a weird experience with pixelfed.
I have never used my Mastodon credentials to sign into pixelfed.
I have followed and been followed by pixelfed accounts, as the AP protocol allows.
When I now search on pixelfed, from a blank new test user on that platform:
This is a surprise, and not necessarily a welcome one- if I want a presence on pixelfed I should have created it and chosen what it presents, am I right? This feels like a wild scraping I didnβt even know about til I went looking for it.
Can anyone enlighten me as to why this happened this way?
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@hopeward
Wow, that is weird!
Can you see which server this user comes from? Which server comes up when you click on their username?
Is it at all possible this is your own Mastodon account being viewed through pixelfed?
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@FediTips Hi- turns out itβs not weird, because it is my Mastodon account being viewed from pixelfed. The server is pixelfed.social, and apparently when Iβm followed by users on that server, it makes my Mastodon profile visible there. (In a pixelfed-ized view.)
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@hopeward
Okay, that's good to hear! π
Yeah, if you view an account from a different type of server, it displays it as if it was on your type of server.
Pixelfed accounts look like Mastodon accounts if you view them from a Mastodon server.
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@FediTips Iβm glad I got help in sorting it out, and Iβm happy to share the Fedi knowledge with you, of course! ππ’
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@FediTips
Here's a slightly different way of looking at it, for people doing the #ExodusFromInstagram:
Having both a Mastodon account and a Pixelfed account is like having both a Twitter account and an Instagram account.
They're different WWW sites, each with their own separate login credentials and their own separate WWW user interfaces (UIs). They're often owned and run by different people, in different countries even.
You're used to this separation.
But unlike Instagram and Twitter β¦
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@FediTips Grateful for this information! You've handled this better than the Pixelfed support documentation. Now if you can do the same job on the migration/alias functionality that'd be great π
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@sean
Thank you!
I have made a note of this suggestion, will try to get to it soon!
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@FediTips for many/most folk and situations I agree. There are some specific use-cases for this; eg what we've setup on zeroes.ca where the mastodon account is used to sign into a closed pixelfed server, so a second username+password are not required and admins effectively don't have to manage a second user directory.
"Sign in with" is kinda the de facto language for oauth/sso across the web and it mostly operates like this, where the site being logged into essentially creates an account for the user without requiring them have another set of credentials. Doesn't mean it's not confusing, though.
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@trendless
"where the site being logged into essentially creates an account for the user without requiring them have another set of credentials"
SSO that works like that would be fine on centralised sites that have no interoperability with the source of the SSO account.
But SSO like that isn't suited to an interoperable decentralised platform on thousands of servers... it's going to confuse people as they will end up with lots of unconnected but interoperable accounts.
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@FediTips but does text only mastodon posts visible from pixelfed?
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@ujeenator
No, not any more.
There used to be an option in Pixelfed to optionally view text-only posts, but that's no longer there.
Crossposting wouldn't solve this though, because you cannot post text-only even if you have a Pixelfed account. There is no ability to post in just text on Pixelfed, it always requires an image or video clip.
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@FediTips I wonder what is the best strategy account in fediverse
Seems that its easiest is just to have only mastodon account
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@ujeenator @FediTips
Pixelfed is great for people who use Instagram and want to migrate to the Fediverse.
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@ujeenator
It depends on what you want to do.
Mastodon is great for general social media stuff, but it isn't as specialised.
If you want to upload long videos you would probably want to also have a PeerTube account.
If you want to upload lots of photos you might also want a Pixelfed account.
If you want to review books you might want a Bookwyrm account.
etc.
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@FediTips thanks for clarifying that.. it certainly was not clear to me
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@FediTips I think one of the reasons for looking for crossposting might concern reach, in which case the recommendation would probably be to simply boost the posts from one platform with an account on the other, to ensure propagation and reach one's followers on the other platform, letting followers discover the other account.
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@doqunbop
Boosting reaches your followers and their servers, it doesn't make a difference what platform you are on or what platform they are on.
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@FediTips
I succeeded to post my first comment with mastodon on a peertube video :pt_happy:
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@millerebonds
Yay! π₯³ Well done!
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