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Written by Sadderp 🇮🇪 🇪🇺🇫🇷 on 2024-12-23 at 09:09

Clement Attlee said: “Charity is a cold grey loveless thing. If a rich man wants to help the poor, he should pay his taxes gladly, not dole out money at a whim.” As we hurtle towards 2025, perhaps it is time our society edged towards such progress. Modern Britain should not be run like the final pages of A Christmas Carol, in which Tiny Tim must rely on Scrooge waking up in a good mood to be permitted to live. Donate to a good cause this Christmas, please. But don’t forget the unseasonal truth: every time a charity helps a person find food or clothes, it is a sign of government failure.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/23/britain-victorian-christmas-charity-state-social-economic-problems?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[#]foodbanks #povertyisapoliticalchoice

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Written by Fish Id Wardrobe on 2024-12-23 at 10:33

@Sadderp I'm in two minds about this. I think there are many signs that government has always failed regular people; that it's a self-serving thing only. I wonder if we could do better without it.

I don't think this will ever happen, and even if it did it would require regular people to be a lot more grown-up.

But if we ever reached that point, we'd definitely need charity, or something like it — it is, after all, supposed to be a virtue.

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Written by Sadderp 🇮🇪 🇪🇺🇫🇷 on 2024-12-23 at 11:02

@fishidwardrobe

I have always believed there should never be a case for any charitable organisations.

It just shows a failure with government and society.

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Written by Fish Id Wardrobe on 2024-12-23 at 11:25

@Sadderp That's a fair point, but if we can't fix government and society, then what? It might be a baby/bathwater scenario

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Written by Lucy B on 2024-12-23 at 12:00

@fishidwardrobe @Sadderp

But that’s the lesson we are learning and living right now. We are being reminded that there is no such thing as a permanent fix with people. Great societies rise and fall. It’s up to the people to constantly work towards the society they want. I personally have even less faith in anarchy than I do in govt. As the saying goes, “power hates a vacuum.”

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Written by Fish Id Wardrobe on 2024-12-23 at 12:15

@lucybeahere @Sadderp Yes – as I said, I think folks would have to get more grown-up.

But: folks vote for greedy fools. Even when it looks like they haven't.

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Written by que :verifried: on 2024-12-23 at 12:15

@Sadderp @fishidwardrobe i mean, the government kinda is a charity? - we "donate" our money to an organisation of people that is supposed to do their best to provide common good.

im not sure i see any specific issues with governments funding charities that are doing good work :)

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Written by Sadderp 🇮🇪 🇪🇺🇫🇷 on 2024-12-23 at 14:40

@fishidwardrobe

Why in the UK is there Cancer Research and the Heart Foundation?

Surely government should be paying to research cancer cures and heart problems?

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Written by Fish Id Wardrobe on 2024-12-23 at 15:31

@Sadderp Well, two separate questions. Should they be independent? yes. should the govt give them (our) money? also yes.

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Written by Martin EA7KRC on 2024-12-23 at 13:09

@Sadderp

Hardly likely in UK with Mr Greedy hooving up freebies as fast as he can go...

He emulates the pre ghost Scrooge better than the original...

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Written by Cassandrich on 2024-12-23 at 13:10

@Sadderp We should tax charity out of existence.

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Written by Cassandrich on 2024-12-23 at 13:13

@Sadderp Charity exists as privatized control of who gets things they need, and what they have to do to get it.

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Written by Dial M for Madeye 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇮🇪 on 2024-12-23 at 13:15

@Sadderp

I wonder what Attlee would think of Starmer.

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Written by Wen on 2024-12-23 at 19:01

@MadeyeTheCarnaptious @Sadderp 😖😤

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Written by Cavyherd on 2024-12-23 at 17:58

@Sadderp

"every time a charity helps a person find food or clothes, it is a sign of government failure."

This needs to be a cross-stitch. & also branded on the foreheads of anyone in the 5%

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Written by Chitchat 🎶🎻 on 2024-12-23 at 19:57

@Sadderp that's great if go ernment will use those taxes to help the people who really need help. It's been a very long time since that has been the case in the UK. If people can't trust the government to support those who need it, what is the alternative?

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Written by Paul Schoe on 2024-12-25 at 12:45

Introducing a flat tax is like socially returning to the Middle Ages.

It means the poor will carry the largest burden, and the rich will no longer carry their fair share.

Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch really does not read the room well.

Once citizens realize that they have been taken for a ride and that they have been defrauded, they will react.

@Sadderp

[#]FlatTax #UK #Conservative

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Written by Jorge Stolfi on 2024-12-26 at 15:12

@Sadderp

... and not use his influence to destroy all the social progress of the last 100 years, and Wikipedia too...

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