Ancestors

Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-18 at 20:09

Hm

So

An AFM / STM isn't that hard to build, right?

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-19 at 16:00

Dang why does everything have such a high CTE

50 nm per K in Z.... maybe that can be compensated with the right materials to even out... kinda.

Maybe I just build everything out of fused silica and invar

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-19 at 17:42

Ohhh I can build it in a way that the CTEs cancel each other out perfectly(ish)

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-19 at 21:20

This looks... ok?

Provided I can cut the glass, that V-Groove is going to be fun. I have an idea or two.

Tests to be done!

The Piezo (why does fusion render brass blue??) does X/Y/Z for the actual raster, the micrometer provides rough (maybe too rough?) Z travel and the kinematic coupling between both plates in combination with the right material choices should cancel out most of my thermal expansion to keep it all stable.

Piezo - Glass rod - Needle are one replacable assembly.

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-19 at 21:32

The basic kinematic coupling is already soooo satisfying to play with!

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-20 at 11:04

Hmmmnice.

It works as expected, and the kinematics reduce the mvement by a factor of ~3, so every Division moves the center by ~3 um.

Should be just about ok, meaning that the piezo can do the rest of the Z travel.

Issue is that I now need to constrain the ball on the micrometer, which means that I either have to grind a cup in the micrometer shaft or buy a different micrometer with a rounded tip to take the ball out entirely.

...maybe I should build a dremel tool mount for the lathe.

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-25 at 12:23

This feels like it shouldn't work as well as it does

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Toot

Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-25 at 12:26

This will be very interesting under the SEM

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Descendants

Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-25 at 13:22

Getting much better!

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-25 at 14:32

atomic spike field

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-25 at 16:51

Well that's disappointing, the tungsten has cracked on most of them, and the tip radii are on the order of a few 100 nm

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-27 at 15:12

Just missing a few milling steps on the other side (two V-Grooves for the balls) and then I can try and case harden this thing!

Worst part was getting the blanks round, the lasercut edge was hard enough to ruin a few inserts :(

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-30 at 12:19

Workholding adventures!

I've had a whoopsie or two, but it's functional, doesn't have to be pretty 😉

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-30 at 16:15

And now we're onto the carburizing step!

Takes tiiiime

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-30 at 23:03

Woohoo!

It came out really well, isn't really distorted (nothing to be felt, didn't measure), and the surface finish didn't suffer.

But the real test is to do another heat treatment to harden it, that will reveal if it actually worked!

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-12-01 at 09:44

Aww yis, the other parts are coming together as well!

I'm really looking forward to machining the glass, I've never done anything like that.

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-12-01 at 09:47

...is there any way to non-destructively test for borosilicate?

The glass was sold as such, but the green tint really reminds me of recycled or cheap soda-lime with iron contamination.

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-12-02 at 12:35

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-12-02 at 13:15

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-12-02 at 14:23

Hardened and sandblasted!

I really like that finish. Next up is adding a grounding stud.

Not sure what kind of finishing I want then, maybe just a bit of spray paint...

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-12-02 at 16:20

Lol.

Lmao

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Written by Nixie on 2024-11-25 at 12:31

@gigabecquerel Single atom probe?

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-25 at 12:32

@Nixie That would be amazing, but I very much doubt I can reach that.

Literature makes me think this can be ~30 nm tip radius, maybe even down to 10 nm.

First of all I want to know what's possible!

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Written by Nixie on 2024-11-25 at 12:57

@gigabecquerel Iirc, the single tip was done with pliers and a snap, but I could be wrong.

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-25 at 13:12

@Nixie I know what you're referring to, but that method seems to be pretty unreliable.

"Lab Grade" tips are etched, too, so I guess that's the way to go here.

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Written by F4GRX Sébastien on 2024-11-25 at 14:34

@gigabecquerel cant wait for the SEM view!

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Written by Andrew Zonenberg on 2024-11-25 at 16:53

@gigabecquerel Getting the parameters dialed in can take a bit. Did you have automatic or manual cutoff when it dropped? Did you apply the inverse half-cell potential after?

I played with DIY etching for microprobing but never quite got it as perfect as I wanted. i was running seat-of-the-pants with a fully analog power supply though.

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Written by Svante on 2024-11-25 at 17:00

@gigabecquerel When we needed tips in my undergraduate studies, we took a side cutter and diagonally slowly cut a wire while strongly pulling away. Don't remember which material, though. Maybe half the tips were somewhat usable, which we determined by trying to use them.

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Written by Rue Mohr on 2024-11-25 at 19:44

@gigabecquerel ok, so what forces would have to occur to make it crack like that?

How can the structure be modified to better dissipate these forces?

("quack quack") 🦆

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Written by Patrick Herd on 2024-11-25 at 20:12

@RueNahcMohr @gigabecquerel I would be happy if you two were neighbours. 🙂

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Written by F4GRX Sébastien on 2024-11-27 at 15:14

@gigabecquerel inserts because threading shallow depths is a pain?

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-27 at 15:16

@f4grx Inserts because I doubt something like an M3 thread would survive carburizing and case hardening, and I don't want to work on the hardened part.

The threads don't need to hold much force, so this feels like the simplest way to add some, I'll just epoxy them in place once all is done.

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Written by F4GRX Sébastien on 2024-11-27 at 15:28

@gigabecquerel thats a very interesting solution that I will remember.

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-27 at 15:30

@f4grx Time will tell if it's a solution or just a bad idea ;-)

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Written by basil_hare on 2024-11-30 at 16:11

@gigabecquerel At least there's evidence that you still have a minimum of one remaining hand. Major oopsie averted.

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-30 at 17:18

@basil_hare Oh no, just "slipping out of the chuck" kind of whoopsies!

I keep fleshy parts far away from things that spin quickly, I've learned that lession on my small lathe.

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Written by basil_hare on 2024-11-30 at 17:29

@gigabecquerel Very good. One must always protect the flesh.

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Written by 4censord (🔜@fossdem) :nfp: on 2024-11-30 at 23:26

@gigabecquerel how deep does this actually defuse into the steel? do you only get the surface hard?

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-30 at 23:33

@4censord That is in fact a very good question!

Maybe I don't have the right search terms, but I could find very little literature on it.

From what I could find tho I expect the first one to three millimeters to be carbon rich now, after five hours at 950 °C.

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Written by 4censord (🔜@fossdem) :nfp: on 2024-11-30 at 23:36

@gigabecquerel hmm, ok so its measured in millimetres. Thats already answers my curiosity.

So i assume this part doesnt see extreme loads, but the hardeing is mostly for wear resistance?

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-11-30 at 23:51

@4censord Yep, exactly!

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Written by 4censord (🔜@fossdem) :nfp: on 2024-11-30 at 23:52

@gigabecquerel cool!

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Written by Möph on 2024-12-01 at 09:51

@gigabecquerel Test optical constants like transmission behaviour or refraktive index?

https://refractiveindex.info/?shelf=glass&book=SCHOTT-BK&page=BK7G18

This should give a hint.

EDX or XPS also give compositions. But who has this. (Me at work, but XPS is currently down.)

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-12-01 at 09:59

@M Index is a good idea, I should see if I can cobble something together. Not sure how much boro and soda differ, but it will be a number.

EDX is something that I technically have, but afaik my detector doesn't go down to boron...

Another idea I just had is to measure the CTE somehow, after all that's why I wanted boro im the first place

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Written by Andrew Zonenberg on 2024-12-01 at 10:23

@gigabecquerel @M Will it pick up calcium or sodium? You should be able to check against common formulations and rule out several even if you can't see the boron.

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Written by Möph on 2024-12-01 at 10:28

@gigabecquerel See the reference I gave you.

Check how much n differ from both.

Might be that you can even check with a laser pointer and some precise diffraction measurement.

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Written by PlasmaGryphon on 2024-12-02 at 15:55

@gigabecquerel I've known people do heat shock tests, which isn't conclusive but check if it is good enough. A lot of people suggest it is close to index of refraction of mineral oil, but soda lime glass isn't that different of an index. Borosilicate glass tends to be less dense than other common glasses, but you would need decent previous to tease that out.

In a lot of places, unlabeled glass is as good as trash...

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Written by Wolf480pl on 2024-12-02 at 12:50

@gigabecquerel is it non-destructive?

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Written by Tom Hayward on 2024-12-02 at 13:17

@gigabecquerel hardening?

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-12-02 at 13:18

@hattom Hell yeah

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Written by Kris\Slyka on 2024-12-02 at 13:21

@gigabecquerel 🔥

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Written by F4GRX Sébastien on 2024-12-02 at 14:24

@gigabecquerel very clean. looks like a 3mm thread could have maybe survived?

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Written by Graham Sutherland / Polynomial on 2024-12-02 at 16:21

@gigabecquerel :(

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Written by Z̈oé ⛵ on 2024-12-02 at 16:22

@gigabecquerel rip

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Written by Möph on 2024-12-02 at 16:26

@gigabecquerel So mucht to 'non-distructive' testing if its Borofloat...

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Written by Möph on 2024-12-02 at 16:27

@gigabecquerel What did you try to do? Drill a hole?

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Written by Dr David Mills on 2024-12-02 at 16:28

@gigabecquerel F.

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Written by Felix on 2024-12-02 at 16:49

@gigabecquerel pro tip: Don't try to modify safety glass

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-12-02 at 16:55

@fesix Pro Tip:

Don't sell safety glass as regular borosilicate

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Written by Felix on 2024-12-02 at 16:56

@gigabecquerel Lul 🙄

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Written by ROTOPE~1 :yell: on 2024-12-02 at 17:05

@gigabecquerel edge light it with a 3-color LED and hang it on the Christmas tree.

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Written by basil_hare on 2024-12-02 at 18:15

@gigabecquerel Forbidden sandwich

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Written by the tower fairy on 2024-12-02 at 18:16

@gigabecquerel metacrylate "glass"?

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-12-02 at 18:31

@crystalmoon glass glass.

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Written by the tower fairy on 2024-12-03 at 00:02

@gigabecquerel O.O what how why?? it looks a lot like safety glass

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-12-03 at 09:01

@crystalmoon I'm pretty sure that's what it is...

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Written by the tower fairy on 2024-12-03 at 12:00

@gigabecquerel oh, where I live safety glass === Perspex, it's never proper glass

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Written by gigabecquerel on 2024-12-03 at 12:14

@crystalmoon Ah, maybe this is just a translation error.

In german we call the kind of glass that breaks into many smaller, "safer" shards instead of big sharp ones "Sicherheitsglas", which translates literally to safety glass.

The glass I bought apparently is that kind of (tempered?) glass, I was hoping it's just a slab of regular borosilicate.

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