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Written by josef on 2025-01-23 at 13:02

a big reason i use linux is because it gives me Control over the computer. no windows dark pattern spying shit. i can set up everything to look and function exactly how i want. but every couple months there's a package update that overrides or changes something so it no longer works how i configured it. they just reached in and broke something i worked hard on. and i have no choice in this, because you need to eventually update packages to install new ones. i don't really feel in Control at all

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Written by josef on 2025-01-23 at 13:07

this thing happens really often, but the latest one that happened to me this week was with desktop icons. after an update, the selection rectangle around them looks weird and different, and the icons are the wrong size, they're clipped so you can't see the icon fully or read the label. haven't attempted to fix it, will probably take at least an hour. it makes me feel like the computer isn't really mine. it belongs to a bunch of nerds who keep making weird mistakes. a kind of clumsy nerd cabal

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Written by josef on 2025-01-23 at 13:24

the problem isn't that updates can cause undesirable changes. that happens on every OS: windows has malevolent updates every day. the issue is that, due to the interdependent nature of software on a linux system, you are forced to update most things, most of the time, whether you like it or not, as a basic prerequisite of using the system at all. my opinion? about this design?? it's Bad! ! !

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Written by josef on 2025-01-23 at 13:26

i've had a hard time explaining this to linux people, it's like explaining water to a fish. they just say "security" over and over or something. they say something like "you cant do static libraries or vendor your shared objects because theres uh theres like a second hard drive usr bin usr local bin. ken and dennis ran out of disk space uhhhh . .. dynamic linking save memory.... windows insecure .... use Docker? use flatpak" or whatever

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Written by josef on 2025-01-23 at 13:29

imagine creating such a word salad to distract from the fact that the only tenable operating system going forward for the next few decades is "everyone runs linux, but all software that we run is in the form of Windows EXE files because even using wine or proton at least you can actually just click on them and they run"

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Written by maple "mavica" syrup [6502] on 2025-01-23 at 13:07

@jk this update brings you a new customisation option to change the spacing between icons on your desktop but don't worry the next update will bring desktop icons that can be placed anywhere and remove the option to have them spaced a certain amount at all

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Written by josef on 2025-01-23 at 13:08

@mavica_again amazing that the thing that prompted this was literally a weird desktop icon spacing change

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Written by maple "mavica" syrup [6502] on 2025-01-23 at 13:11

@jk it's really wild to me that the 90s Linux desktops looked so much more interesting and appealing and configurable and since then they have thrown away all that good will and trying to recapture any of that is a massive pain of setting up uncommon and often gotta-compile-it-yourself packages

"stop using corporate software!" says group of people desperately trying to make their software designed exactly like the corporate software

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Written by gecko on 2025-01-23 at 14:44

@jk you say this but the latest software to break my setup (and eat an extra gig of disk space in the process) was Wine :blobcatTears:

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Written by Alistair Davidson on 2025-01-23 at 15:12

@jk I thought most people were on flatpacks now

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Written by maple "mavica" syrup [6502] on 2025-01-23 at 13:27

@jk cursed idea: Linux Where Everything Is Statically Linked So It Doesn't Matter

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Written by Pepper Ann on 2025-01-23 at 13:51

@mavica_again Sounds good to me

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Written by Lazy B0y on 2025-01-23 at 15:24

@jk dont know what distribution you use but some of them bring only security updates between releases…

But i agree that some, even core software like gnome desktop /shell change often in a way that disrupts my usage behavior, without letting me see the benefit…

(and i still can’t close gnome file save dialog with ESC like all other dialogs, and when i start typing a name for the file which is displayed as marked, not the name changes but it starts to search )

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Written by Milly on 2025-01-23 at 13:46

@jk "Clumsy nerd cabal" or "Stressed out nerd cabal" or maybe "Stressed out Clumsy nerd cabal" is probably right. But I'm curious, what distro are you on that has such problems?

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Written by tbodt on 2025-01-24 at 08:43

@aanee @jk i think they all would? except maybe, maybe, nixos

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Written by Milly on 2025-01-24 at 14:08

@tbodt @jk It depends. If the config in question is for a part of, say, gnome it's distro and even OS agnostic. That's just asshole devs. If the config is more global; /etc stuff, then it's the distro maintainers that are to blame.

Nixos fixes the /etc and library problems by ignoring the space saving goal that is at the core of dynamic libraries. Likewise does flatpak, snap, AppImages or .exe files to varying degree.

This can be solved in other ways but there is a character limit.

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Written by ItsTheManOnTheMoon on 2025-01-23 at 14:04

@jk I have been using computers for a very long time and I have never understood the developer mindset of "yay, we released a new stable version of [desktop suite]! Time to get cracking on moving all of the buttons, shortcuts, and menu settings around and changing the entire look and feel!"

I would have been perfectly happy using amiga workbench 1.3 for the rest of my life

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Written by Anand Philip on 2025-01-23 at 13:21

@jk shocked that your replies are not full of "dont use desktop icons, just use the search"

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Written by wb x64 on 2025-01-23 at 18:37

@jk yep. I run NixOS that kinda tries to address this but there's still the issue of updates that don't work. At least rollback is supported

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