Here’s a thought: Different fediverse platforms are interoperable. For example, you can view mastodon accounts on Pixelfed and vice versa.
Which leads me to wonder why not have one fedi server that can post different types of content. Eg text/image/vertical video.
And then in the fedi client you can choose what type of content you want to see. Or what viewer mode you want to use?
That way you can follow a person once. And not have to follow their masto, Pixelfed, loops, wordpress(lol) etc.
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I could pick what type a post is, video/gallery/text. It’d use the mastodon/pixelfed/loops/whatever standard for each post. And that would mean the client could render each in a different manner or display it elsewhere
As my main account is a mastodon one, if I follow a Pixelfed user, everything looks like a text post with attached images.
If I follow this acct on Pixelfed, it looks like a gallery.
Each is set up to use different accounts rather than one activitypub feed for all types of post
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And then at this point rather than being a member of loads of socials and embedding them or linking to them etc. all my content is just one activitypub feed not matter the type of content.
That way the user can follow the person for all the content. Filter out a person’s different types of posts. Eg if you want my videos but not my text.
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@mattgrayyes that's basically how it works already, right? i use phanpy, and i can see mastodon or gotosocial or akkoma posts just fine. some stuff (reactions?) doesn't show up, but on the whole it's all good. i could follow a pixelfed or loops user if i wanted, i just havent come across any
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@irina FYI I’ve considerably edited my post since you replied
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@mattgrayyes okay, that's more fleshed out - it's a good idea, i think! in theory it'd be possible just as an app/webapp, right?
it wouldn't need a new kind of server, just need an app that can understand them all (which should be not too hard, because it's activitypub), and then know what kind of server they come from - 'blog', 'microblog', or 'instagram'
if knowing what kind of server it comes from is hard (is activitypub Like That? idk), then, when i follow someone, i could choose if they get slotted into my "Pictures" feed, my "Tweets" feed, or my "Blogs" feed?
Phaphy's "columns" UI is like halfway there already, kinda.
(honestly i think most social media would be better with phanpy and cohost's good ideas)
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@mattgrayyes Didn’t realise you could do that until you said it. Already set up a separate pixelfed feed, Now realising I can follow that and boost those posts here opens up possibilities
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@mattgrayyes Downside is, pixelfed is clearly targeted at people fleeing Instagram, and there’s no culture of adding alt-text
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@mattgrayyes I believe there is currently some support for having the ability to log into a pixel fed with a mastodon account's oauth, which is something.
I really like the idea of one account, multiple feeds tho. given that there is some cross interaction already, and the growth of pixel fed into a new beast on the fediverse, I wouldn't be too surprised if we reach the multitudes point eventually, but it will likely take time to do so given the ap standards.
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@mattgrayyes it's basically already possible. However, the main idea you'd add is a tag in each post saying how it'd wish to be rendered (either short-form vertical video, picture, horizontal video, or simple text). You can currently classify a post to have a certain language, and people can only follow you IN a language. With your addition, people's clients would automatically follow or render one kind of post, and not simply display EVERY image or video on their platform as such, despite never being made to be rendered that way.
I like the way you think. If you want to look into different concepts that try to achieve a similar thing, look for: Polycentric Identity. The main app I know that's trying to do this is “Grayjay” by Louis Rossman. It'd basically allow you to have “one” account yet it's YouTube and PeerTube tied together.
https://mastodon.de/@ErikUden/111346280574228433
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@mattgrayyes Yes, agree. One of the things turning me off using Pixelfed is that I don’t want to rebuild a social graph all over again just for pictures. Surely that’s what the fediverse is for - one account, rather than splintering accounts all over the place. (I think I might have a Bookwyrm account as well)
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@james @mattgrayyes sorry for butting in, but I've found that I'm following completely different people to who I follow on mastodon because the medium is different. To do this with a single account you'd need to use lists or some other filter to tease the formats apart. More likely I'd find myself curating the superset and following less overall. I don't know if this is bad, but it would be a different experience.
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@marksutherland @james @mattgrayyes this also makes sense
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@james @mattgrayyes yeah, I struggled to wrap my head around this as well.
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@mattgrayyes that was what AP's original promise was (the servers simply being dumb pipes with most of the work being on clients) but nobody really does it that way because mastodon didn't, and because the specs are incredibly lacking in all sorts of key areas (e.g. authentication isn't defined at all as far as i remember, the current handle system is a mastodon-ism, nobody can agree on how to represent a post and the only official advice boils down to "assume anyone can send anything and try to make sense of it good luck") there isn't a "mastodon for client-side ap" that fills in the gaps like it did for server-side ap.
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@mattgrayyes I think this is part of ActivitPub, but most servers do not implement the Client-Server API. Therefore it's currently not possible to have a "generic" client to connect to these servers and each service needs its own implementation.
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@mattgrayyes this would be ideal!
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@mattgrayyes FWIW, on Pixelfed you can chose if you want to see all posts, or only posts with media, so something like that should work.
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@mattgrayyes @jerzone I won't follow the same account on multiple platforms precisely because I don't want to see repeat posts. I'm not understanding why people who already have a Mastodon account need a Pixelfed account, too. I'm sure I'm missing something but I can't imagine what it is.
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@mlanger It's an odd setup for sure. I like the Instagram-ish UI in the pixelfed phone app for browsing photos, that a post can have more then 4 images, and that I can follow mastodon or pixelfed accts. But it's odd that I have to make a brand new acct to use that app. Also, if you only had a pixelfed acct/app, I think you wouldn't see non-image mastodon posts for accts you follow.
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@jerzone Ok, that helps me understand better. But there are plenty of photos on Mastodon. And do we really need more photos per post when we can have threads?
But my thoughts on social media photos are mixed. I like photos that illustrate a post and photos that were shot by the poster. But I don't like shared photos that were not taken by the poster and do not identify who the photographer is. And I really don't like when people share huge batches of crappy photos.
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Same here. I don't get the point to pixelfed (or insta either). My feed is plenty full of images already. And I sure don't want to rebuild a separate set of follows. I suppose I could create an account and install the app and try it out, but I haven't seen the value prop. And I find the non-stop hype machine of the pixelfed creator offputting.
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@mattgrayyes We are pretty darn close to this with the IndieWeb, IndieAuth & POSSE https://indieweb.org/.
You can subscribe to my posts via RSS, Mastodon, Pixelfed, Bluesky and they'll all be the same.
If you reply to one of my posts on Mastodon or Bluesky it will 'backfeed' and your reply will show on my website.
My Bluesky handle is just my website @snugg.ie — Bluesky is almost acting as a more complicated RSS reader for my website that then supports replies, likes, etc. via webmentions.
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@mattgrayyes While I think things like POSSE https://indieweb.org/POSSE are absolutely great, they're just not quite there, y'know? Exactly what you describe - why can't we just follow a person once, regardless of platform, and be done with it?
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@mattgrayyes I've been looking into Reeder https://reederapp.com/ which has all your Mastodon feed, Bluesky feed & RSS feeds all in one.
The problem there is, if I follow people on all three places, I end up with three posts from people. It's annoying!
I'm yearning for some sort of... one 'universal follow', and I'm not quite sure what's needed for us to get there yet.
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@mattgrayyes this is genuinely how I thought fedi worked when I first read about it!
I appreciate there are some huge considerations for this e.g. relying on platforms implementing AP properly and which platforms to support, but I would still love to see this happen in the long term.
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@mattgrayyes Coincidentally ... https://mastodon.social/@pixelfed/113850117706599135
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