WTF? Fuck the corporate democrats / neoliberals, yes. Doesn’t mean you need to fawn over literal fucking fascists. Y’all think Peter Thiel and Elon Musk and the cadre of billionaires they have lined up for their administration are going to “tackle Big Tech abuses?”
What the fucking fuck, man?
Update: Proton deleted their post. Here’s a screenshot of it I took at the time because this ain’t my first rodeo.
https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833074076075466
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@aral wtf
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@aral it's the bribes talking.
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@Sh4d0w_H34rt @aral do you reckon he was bribed to say that?
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@aral
Complain early and complain often. The more people who pressure the democrats the more likely they are to find a spine.
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@alienghic @aral It is more than likely that any Democrat who "finds a spine" will, in their next reelection bid, discover that their campaign funding has moved to a primary challenger who is more than willing to do whatever their donors ask them to do. The corruption of our electoral system is systemic.
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@gpilz @aral
Some of the progressives survived their primary challenges and some didn't.
I am sad that Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush got taken out by AIPAC, but Ilhan Omar did hold them off.
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@aral there has always been a section like this. He may not be wrong about when big tech started getting cracked down on.
The worst part is that this isn't a neoliberal stance. Nationalist section of progressives I think.
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@aral @protonprivacy I didn’t start my subscription to Proton that long ago either. So fricking annoyed I’m going to need to find a new provider and transfer everything again
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@wonkothesane @aral @protonprivacy
I have my Duo subscription until August 2026, but I'm going to move here unless Proton gives some coherent explain about what they toot and why they removed it.
https://tuta.com/pricing
For VPN I'm comoaring mullvad and nordvpn right now
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@soydelbierzo @aral Someone on the Fedi told me Tuta was problematic but didn’t go into much detail. You can’t seem to win. I did email foundation@proton.me to let them know that I’m pissed and will switch services. Hopefully they disavow this and find a new ceo
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@wonkothesane @aral omg, there's nothing pure???
Going to write too
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@wonkothesane @aral I found a problem with a toot from Tuta with a meme that was homophobic, racist. Maybe it was this. At least they apologized
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@wonkothesane @soydelbierzo @aral This is what I have about @Tutanota :
They were so proud to welcome Donald Trump and his family: https://web.archive.org/web/20220224190113/https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/trump-family-encryption/
Their defense? it was a "joke" https://tuta.com/blog/trump-family-encryption yeah right
I know a few small french providers who are riding the shitstorm of #protonmail . I wonder why tuta is not.
If there is something more, I am all hear.
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@dallo @soydelbierzo @aral @Tutanota That is all pretty disappointing to know and doesn’t encourage me to switch from one problematic provider to another
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@wonkothesane @soydelbierzo @aral @Tutanota I use both but pay for none. I also have various accounts with mailfence, gmail, outlook, etc. I create a new mail every few years. Right now I do not have a free large mail instance to highlight. I think I will main on a local provider for my next one.
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@dallo @wonkothesane @soydelbierzo @aral This was meant sarcastically. In the original, we changed the image to include a FAKE NEWS banner - because this article was made up entirely. It was during our early days, and we had to be creative to get people to know about Tutanota. However, the joke was not received too well so we took the post off our blog. Being Germans, we might not be the most competent in making jokes. ;) Sorry about that!
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@Tutanota @wonkothesane @soydelbierzo @aral alright. as a non-english I can get a lost in translation but it is not about me.
Since it was the past, what is #Tuta current state about the multi-felon, fraudster, sexual predator, minor groomer, transphobic, conspiracy theorist, racist, ableist, shithead that Donald #Trump is?
Since you are Germans, what do you think of the islamophobic, conservatist, nazionalist, euroscepticist, climate denialist, chauvinist that the #AfD is?
[#]protonmail #mail
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@dallo @wonkothesane @soydelbierzo @aral We would not use the exact same words as you...
At Tuta, we do not judge others, but we stand for equality, fairness, diversity, understanding. We want to make the web a better place, one where not only your data is respected (and protected with encryption), but also you as a person - no matter who you are.
You can better understand us and our values when checking out our jobs page: https://tuta.com/jobs
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@Tutanota @wonkothesane @soydelbierzo @aral
Beside shithead, this is mostly words from the Wikipedia page of each. So would you use those words?
After checking your jobs page, I have four more questions about what you stand for:
[#]protonmail #tuta #mail
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@dallo @Tutanota @wonkothesane @aral
You forgot to ask about veganism, whales, their position about wolf hunting in Europe, nuclear power plants for AI, x86 or arm64, and the most important question you can ask in Spain, Spanish omelette with or without onion?
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@soydelbierzo @dallo @Tutanota @wonkothesane @aral I'm actually happy he asked.
I do care that the people I give money to have a minimum baseline of human decency.
Because Tuta answered "yes" below, I'm reading their pricing page now.
I would not have otherwise.
Thank you for linking them, BTW.
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@soydelbierzo @dallo @Tutanota @wonkothesane @aral just say "woke" next time and get it over with, it's the fastest way to signal that you're a boomer fuck who doesn't givr a shit when other people suffer 👍
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@itsmeholland @soydelbierzo @Tutanota @wonkothesane @aral
Yes it was some poor taste joking, but joking when safety of people is in jeopardy is just showing privileges imho.
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@dallo @itsmeholland @Tutanota @wonkothesane @aral I agree, sorry for the other answer, lost in translation
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@dallo Yes to all.
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@Tutanota @dallo good start.
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@Tutanota Great. If one day you open remote working, you may have my resume. Meanwhile you will have my main mail from #protonmail
Thank you for taking the time to answer.
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@dallo @Tutanota @wonkothesane @soydelbierzo @aral
They also used a picture (SFW) from a gangbang porn to advertise once, but they seem to have mellowed down about the edgy marketing thankfully, But in my mind they are always connected to that image of 8 buff black dudes standing around a small woman, it's kind of a really yikes image to leave behind.
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@sotolf @dallo @wonkothesane @soydelbierzo @aral Yes, this was bad.
This was a mistake, we apologized & we made sure that we would never post something similar again.
At Tuta, we foster honesty, respect & diversity.
We are here to fight for privacy & against Big Tech surveillance. We want everyone to get the respect they deserve.
This was our apology:
https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota/108910936764865962
https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota/108910937813834878
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@Tutanota @dallo @wonkothesane @soydelbierzo @aral
Yeah, no, I remember yeah, the thing is that even though an apology was made it's still what's stuck on my mind as an assosiation, and it probably will stay that way. That is the thing about marketing.
But it seems like you have gotten your ducks in a row, I haven't seen anything I'd object about since then, and I hope other potential customers will have a better association to the brand in their minds.
As I say it's good to see that you've mellowed out from the edgy marketing, and now seem to take a more measured line.
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@sotolf @Tutanota @wonkothesane @soydelbierzo @aral they went a bit explicit after. which is great. https://pouet.chapril.org/@Tutanota@mastodon.social/113840529950227846
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@sotolf @Tutanota @wonkothesane @soydelbierzo @aral Wasn't aware of that. Playing with meme culture can be hit or miss without a good understanding of how people can received this kind of image
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@dallo @Tutanota @wonkothesane @soydelbierzo @aral
Yeah, it's really hard, I also am not great at it, some times judgment just fails, or it's a cultural difference, I'm not American, so I have shared things that I found funny, to have something lying deeper in context that I didn't get.
I also used to be a lot more insensitive than what I am now, but there is a reason I'm not in marketing or doing that kind of thing, because it's not something that I would be a good fit for :p
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@sotolf @Tutanota @wonkothesane @soydelbierzo @aral same :)
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@dallo @wonkothesane @soydelbierzo @aral @Tutanota
What French services?
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@soydelbierzo @wonkothesane @aral Thanks for recommending Tuta Mail; any questions, we're here to help! :)
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@Tutanota @wonkothesane @aral thanks, I created a free account to test before migrating
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@soydelbierzo @wonkothesane @aral Welcome to the encrypted side! 🔒
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@aral I can’t believe that I went through the massive effort and expense to de-Google only to be faced with the prospects of having to de-Proton if they don’t get their shit together 😭 😭
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@FlockOfCats @aral
[#]DeGoogling is going to be a lot harder than #DeMetatising and #DeXing . While I’ve recently deleted all my #Meta accounts, I am still struggling to find a free email service that isn’t tied to some grafting-wank up the line. Then there is the issue of mobile telephony, I got off #Apple to jump into the #Android world, so far so good. Long way to go to #divest from #TechBro world…
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@FlockOfCats @aral
💯
Fucking fuck, I just did a two year Proton plan renewal in October.
I don't care about Proton's crypto wallet, AI, or document editing and I use sandstorm.io + Davros for file hosting.
I'm thinking of Bitwarden Premium plus Firefox Relay + VPN for the Proton Pass, Proton email aliases, and Proton VPN equivalent (though switching the disposable email addresses in fifty sites will suck!)
Or instead of Firefox Relay + VPN I could use DuckDuckGo's Privacy Pro for the equivalent. I love Firefox, but I'm not keen on sending money to Mozilla until they stop paying incompetent executives millions.
But email itself? Maybe tuta.com, though I'm open to suggestions.
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@aral our final doom will come from high tech.
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@aral I don't want to self host I don't want to self host my GOD I don't want to self host
Guess I'm going to self host
Fuck
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@aral Oh FFS, I was literally about to finish my migration to #Proton- why am I only seeing this now? 😩
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@axwax @aral Same situation here. Are there other alternatives? Fastmail?
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@benpocalypse @axwax @aral
I also picked Protonmail several years ago, and soon regretted not having picked Tutanota instead.
Have a look and see if you like it.
➡️ https://tuta.com/
@Tutanota
Some other options:
https://www.privacytools.io/privacy-email
[#]email #privacy #tutanota #protonmail
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@turbobob @benpocalypse @axwax @aral @Tutanota
https://soverin.com
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@benpocalypse @axwax @aral Tuta
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@benpocalypse Fastmail is decent! Tuta maybe. @axwax @aral
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@benpocalypse
Etesync provides end to end encrypted contacts and calendar and a local bridge as well. But no mail.
@axwax @aral
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@benpocalypse @axwax @aral I would recommend mailbox.org if you have a custom domain. If not, you can use posteo.de
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@axwax @aral Bloody typical. I just joined infomaniak yesterday, who provide what looks like a decent offering. Will see how they shape up.
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