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Written by John Gruber on 2024-12-19 at 06:23

Are these 15 “interoperability requests” Meta has filed in the EU for deeper access to the internals of iOS public? Where are they?

https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-slams-metas-numerous-interoperability-requests-2024-12-18/

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Written by John Gruber on 2024-12-19 at 06:23

Apple says Meta is seeking low-level access that would break both user privacy and device security.

Meta says Apple is using “privacy” as a bullshit excuse to avoid even reasonable interoperability.

But without reading the requests, there’s no way to say which side is more right than the other.

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Written by Brendan Thompson on 2024-12-19 at 06:47

@gruber on face value I’m more inclined to lean towards Apple given how cancerous Meta is

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Written by MarkV on 2024-12-19 at 06:50

@gruber This part of Apple’s comments makes me think that the ability to set up Whatsapp as the primary phone app and primary recipient of SMS messages are two of their requests.

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Written by yertle@mastodon.cloud on 2024-12-19 at 07:09

@gruber it’s probably a mix of both things, and not even some of column A and some of column B, but more that Meta shouldn’t have this access, and Apple is kind of full of shit about how they come down on privacy and define it exactly how it makes them look good. I’m no Meta fan, but Apple isn’t a saint with their definitions either.

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Written by John Gruber on 2024-12-19 at 22:12

@yertle Being selective isn't being full of shit.

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Written by Paul McGrane on 2024-12-19 at 07:10

@gruber relegated to a Secure Compartmentalized Information Facility in … let's say … southeastern Florida.

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Written by Owen 🇦🇺  on 2024-12-19 at 07:56

@gruber I don’t know why anyone would trust Meta after their track record with egregious privacy violations.

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Written by Corb_The_Lesser on 2024-12-19 at 09:54

@gruber As a not-current-Apple-user and a never-Meta-user, describing Meta as an engine using consumer-facing apps to collect and market as much private information as possible, without regard for consumer welfare, seems entirely accurate.

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Written by Fazal Majid on 2024-12-19 at 11:42

@gruber Apple has forfeited the benefit of doubt with their App Store DMA malicious compliance shenanigans.

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Written by Mark on 2024-12-19 at 13:59

@gruber I would say based off of past behavior Meta is being a bad actor

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Written by Adi 🐾 (he/him) on 2024-12-19 at 20:08

@gruber both are wrong?

Apple has a track record of using privacy to prevent interoperability and expand the walled garden.

Meta has a track record of using everything possible to invade privacy to target ads.

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Written by Nick Heer on 2024-12-19 at 06:34

@gruber Not specifically, but more generally on the third and fourth pages here: https://developer.apple.com/support/downloads/DMA-Interoperability-Dec-2024.pdf

These are, so far as I can tell, similar to the things the Commission is requiring here: https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/document/download/8f28e456-5bd4-4b33-af95-b9f52aeb8a03_en?filename=DMA.100203%20-%20Overview%20of%20proposed%20measures.pdf

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Written by Eshu Marneedi on 2024-12-20 at 03:58

@nickheer @gruber Curious: Where did you find this PDF from Apple?

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Written by Nick Heer on 2024-12-20 at 06:23

@EshuMarneedi @gruber That’s the neat part: I could only find it linked from news publications like Bloomberg, not anywhere (I could find) on Apple's developer site. Seems like something Apple sent directly to them.

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Written by Steve is VRoomin’ on 2024-12-19 at 07:07

@gruber good on you for doing the proper journalistic investigation and also how much do you have on the Meta is full of shit line already.

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Written by Jonathan Joelson on 2024-12-20 at 16:13

@gruber It seems like the goal is to allow 3rd parties to have the same access to various iOS systems and user data that Apple has.

If the idea is for this to happen without permission requests, just allowing any app on your phone to access this stuff, then Apple is 100% correct about this being a privacy disaster.

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Written by John Gruber on 2024-12-21 at 04:31

@jjoelson Apple has that option, or, the option to impose all those same warnings for all of its own features, apps, and services.

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