@angusm @jackwilliambell @gimulnautti @pluralistic I think the dems are in a similar place to Labour in the UK, which is centre-right. Definitely not left.
And people still think they are the socialist party. Both countries do not have anyone representing the left wing, the socialist beliefs, things that many people actually do hold.
And, again, people vote for the less-fascist party, because it is less-fascist. Because there is no real alternative.
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