TIL We're all women at conception.
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There are some other implications in this order:
https://newrepublic.com/post/190506/donald-trump-fetal-personhood-executive-order
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@gdinwiddie Doesn't that make all male embryos Trans?
So therefor all males are Trans.
So then anti-trans laws apply to CIS males too.
I'd love for someone to argue this very publicly in court! The conservatives would scream!
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@gdinwiddie We are all female… Sex is not binary, it is female
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Whole thing reads like it was written by a 9th grader trying to fake his way through a biology exam when he hadn't shown up all semester.
The incompetence is shining through already.
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@gdinwiddie Does this mean that anyone who doesn’t identify as a woman is nonunitary?
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@gdinwiddie Well you Americans all know the model for the Statue of Liberty was a man, don't you
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@gdinwiddie so does this mean that the men’s bathrooms are now forbidden and the women’s bathrooms are gender neutral?
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@gdinwiddie when they said the future is female I doubt this is what they had in mind lol
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@gdinwiddie this is an old myth, and a sexist one, stemming from the idea that female genitals are undeveloped male ones and that "female" is defined by an absence of a penis. It's not true, genitals develop from the same precursor structures, but it's not like "female" genitals are a transitory state before you get "male" ones, the development goes in different directions for everyone.
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Do we think they've learned the value of peer-review yet?
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@gdinwiddie So I guess all Americans past, present, & future are pussies. :KEKW:
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@gdinwiddie When did he become an OB/GYN, or is he something an OB/GYN would treat?
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Just a little caveat on the, 'everybody is female at conception', defence. We need to be standing up for our trans masc folks too.when the fash start telling us we can't use the female toilets the trans men could be our greatest ally.
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@gdinwiddie I read the Executive Order in disbelief--not only for thinking that fetuses are male or female from conception* but for failing to use a better, if imperfect, definition of male/female binary: the XY v. XX chromosomes. Anatomy and hormones can differ from the expected in this, but it is a mostly reliable predictor of physiology that exists from conception. And they got it wrong!
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@gdinwiddie I don't intend to equate anatomy or genetics with sex or gender in the simplistic way this Order and conservatives in general assume. It's much more complicated and I'm not a professional--indeed, it changed greatly since I studied high school biology almost 50 years ago. But I find the new discoveries, such as people with XXX, XXY, etc. chromosomes, interesting.
I basically want to say that even by their own outdated and simplistic definition they got it wrong.
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@gdinwiddie In case others were as incredulous as me and want to see the source: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/
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I suppose they’ll want to check each fertilized egg right after fertilization.
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@gdinwiddie big if true
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@gdinwiddie I don't usually boost USpol, but...this is golden.
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It's the definition of "gender" that tells you this is religion, not science.
My 32-year-old physiology text says "genetic" sex is determined by XY (male) or XX (female) chromosomes, and "gonads" become testes only with the Y, so the typical default will be female.
The definitions ignore not only typical fetal development, but also changes that can cause intersex "chromosome patterns, gonads, or genitals that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female.'"
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@gdinwiddie
No... at conception, we are comprised of one (1) cell.
Not a gonad in sight.
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@MarvClowder How are the gender inspectors going to fill out the birth certificate?
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First, they'll wait...
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He took "The future is female." literally.
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@gdinwiddie TIL according to the German Wikipedia https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biologisches_Geschlecht there is no gender assigned.
„The control of female gonadal development is less well understood than that of males. From the role of sry and TDF as molecular switches, it has often been incorrectly concluded that no specific factors are required for female development; this reverse conclusion is wrong“
So they have abolished gender 😂
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@gdinwiddie It goes even further than that.
At conception, a zygote is undifferentiated. It doesn't have any organs. It's not even an embryo yet – that won't happen until the placenta forms and separates away.
Even then, the sexual organs that the embryo develop are highly dependent on the hormonal environment – its own genes contribute to that, naturally, but environmental shocks can prevent sexual organs developing properly. This mostly happens in XY-genes, so the testes won't drop or even form properly.
And let's not get into "abnormal" chromosome combinations beyond the standard XX/XY.
The EO, as written, is garbage both in concept and implementation.
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@gdinwiddie You tell it, sister!
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@gdinwiddie everyone please stop. They're just going to use this to justify outlawing abortion at conception in the name of protecting women.
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@rburghol Stop what?
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@gdinwiddie giving them ideas. It seems clever on the surface but it's just something they'll use against women
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@rburghol They already have those ideas. Their actions are showing it. Alabama declared life begins at conception a year ago. https://www.al.com/news/2024/02/read-alabama-supreme-courts-frozen-embryo-ruling-ivf-in-doubt-if-life-begins-at-conception.html
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@gdinwiddie so yeah, my point is that making this kind of supposedly clever rationale validates their claims. By saying that we are assigning it a sex of female, that it's a viable life.
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