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Written by Anil Dash on 2024-11-08 at 01:03

I wanna say something to people who work in tech-related jobs in America: this is still a field where most people hate the rise of fascism and want to stop it. I know the media & amplification of the tycoons makes it seem like that’s the whole industry. But it’s not. And we still have power.

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Written by Marc Trius on 2024-11-08 at 01:04

@anildash

Where are the antifa devs plotting at

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Written by Mx Verda on 2024-11-08 at 01:31

@alter_kaker @anildash I know it’s a joke, but for anyone reading:

don’t say shit that doesn’t need to be said

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Written by Marc Trius on 2024-11-08 at 02:02

@MxVerda

I was already doxxed....

@anildash

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Written by Marc Trius on 2024-11-08 at 02:07

@MxVerda

But yeah, wherever the antifa devs are plotting don't say that here

@anildash

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Written by Mx Verda on 2024-11-08 at 17:17

@alter_kaker @anildash 🥺 fuck, that sucks man. Recent or historic?

I haven’t finished reading https://kolektiva.social/@hakan_geijer/112418649032167981 yet but you might already know it. You don’t deserve to be treated like that. 😥

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Written by Marc Trius on 2024-11-08 at 19:08

@MxVerda

Not recently, but I think that there's a good chance that it will become an issue. We're not just dealing with street fash anymore.

@anildash

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Written by Mx Verda on 2024-11-08 at 19:12

@alter_kaker

Preach, man. Help who you can and live without regrets, but care for yourself as sustainably as possible.

@anildash

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Written by MathiasTCK on 2024-11-08 at 03:02

@alter_kaker @anildash

#SURJ I guess?

https://surj.org/

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Written by ANTIFA Reliability Engineer on 2024-11-08 at 03:28

@mathiastck @alter_kaker @anildash A decent amount of white tech folk involved in SURJ although economic demographics can vary chapter to chapter. Many people start out with #SURJ and then end up migrating to other organizations.

Happy to speak more about the organization, if folks are curious.

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Written by marnanel on 2024-11-08 at 17:57

@otakup0pe @mathiastck @alter_kaker @anildash Is it US-only?

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Written by ANTIFA Reliability Engineer on 2024-11-08 at 18:27

@marnanel It's North America centric that is for sure. There is a pretty active Toronto chapter.

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Written by marnanel on 2024-11-08 at 17:55

@alter_kaker @anildash (But wherever it is, don't say it here!)

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Written by ⛈️ Information ⛈️ on 2024-11-08 at 01:08

@anildash Honestly I think we as a working sector need to get involved in politics more. Show folks that those of us building this world give a shit and how they can join us in building that better world.

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Written by Misuse Case on 2024-11-08 at 01:10

@anildash I’m in information security and if nothing else, there’s certain kind of work I just won’t do.

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Written by minusavenue on 2024-11-08 at 01:26

@MisuseCase @anildash +1000, I got headhunted a few years back & offered twice what I was making at my current job ... By a weapons manufacturer :blobcatangery:

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Written by Misuse Case on 2024-11-08 at 01:28

@minusavenue @anildash When I started my career I wanted to work in the defense sector and now I’m kind of glad it didn’t work out that way

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Written by ClickyMcTicker on 2024-11-08 at 04:02

@minusavenue @MisuseCase @anildash I know it’s not for everyone, but doing a mediocre job barely enough to keep it is one way to hurt them. Don’t point out vulnerabilities unless you get a bonus for doing so. Don’t offer to do projects outside work hours. Don’t stay late. Take every break and PTO hour. Just enough to collect a big paycheck and prevent them from hiring someone more engaged in the industry. Be a leech.

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Written by UnknownQuantity on 2024-11-08 at 01:26

@anildash I’ve turned down recruiters from Anduril twice now, does that help?

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Written by Anil Dash on 2024-11-08 at 01:39

@uq Yes.

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Written by Cassandrich on 2024-11-08 at 11:41

@anildash @uq Yes but going thru their whole interview process only to tell them to fuck themselves once you get the offer letter might be even better.

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Written by Vidmo Oreda on 2024-11-08 at 01:26

@anildash absolutely. There is good here, and we will be fine. I am seeing a disgusting amount of doom and gloom from the younger group in America.... they are scared. I get it... but we as a country have been through so much more. SO MUCH more... but so many democrats (I'm a dem) right now (I would say the far left) is freaking out publicly, trying to start a fuss, and actually sharing BS misinformation. They are doing things right out of the far right playbook. It's stupid.

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Written by Mx Verda on 2024-11-08 at 01:36

@Vidmo @anildash

I’m happy you don’t have reason to be alarmed yet. I hope you never do.

I hope I’m wrong about implications. But it’s still worth preparing for increased climate crises, don’t you think?

And the infrastructure failures need multiple channels of communication.

And conflict resolution skills are never a bad idea to practice.

More people need to have important documentation ready e.g. to go see family if something happens suddenly.

These are all part of being a well-prepared adult, frankly.

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Written by Vidmo Oreda on 2024-11-08 at 02:11

@MxVerda @anildash a few things here and I don't want to insult. I am a 54 yo veteran.. grew up in the south as a gay man.... I have seen many things, so "alarmed?" I have had to deal with alrming situations my whole life. Please don't patronize everyone like you did me. It IS very important get our climte situation fixed, and we will do it. Infrastructure? I am consulting mayors and governors on this threat to critical infrastructure. I study it... its my life. But spreading fear is not the way

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Written by Vidmo Oreda on 2024-11-08 at 02:13

@MxVerda but that being said, I do agree with you 100% and we are on the same side.... let's start healing ourselves as a community and society.

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Written by Anil Dash on 2024-11-08 at 01:38

@Vidmo no, it’s real fuckin bad and centrists are underestimating the threat.

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Written by Vidmo Oreda on 2024-11-08 at 01:44

@anildash then we can disagree... because people are putting way too much into the what-ifs.... this is all BS.

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Written by Jon A. Cruz on 2024-11-08 at 05:00

@Vidmo @anildash women are literally already dying. Trans kids are literally dying because they made a good political scapegoat.

And I'll say that as a 57 yo minority veteran who grew up with a gay brother, yes things are getting that bad IMHO.

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Written by Mercedes-Nutz on 2024-11-08 at 05:31

@joncruz @Vidmo @anildash people forget about the GWB Years. Like, yes obviously you survived it but this was also the era in which the conditions to put kids in cages started

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Written by Mercedes-Nutz on 2024-11-08 at 05:35

@joncruz @Vidmo @anildash like the conditions of the Bush years were also extremely openly fascist, defined by a torture regime and a constant string of controversies that were tantamount to social murder

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Written by Jon A. Cruz on 2024-11-08 at 05:51

@even_more_damned_muteKi @Vidmo @anildash exactly. And that's the one point that had me stand up and yell at someone in the middle of a restaurant at an after tech conference dinner. I was in the army... I had all the training. I know that torture does not work like on TV, and using it only weakens us.

TIes in to how they've found to stop bullies. You don't ignore them. You have their peers call them out and even ridicule them for bullying. Don't let it slide; don't let people get away with it.

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Written by Jon A. Cruz on 2024-11-08 at 05:46

@even_more_damned_muteKi @Vidmo @anildash oh, I do not. I do not. When they were paying the Taliban tens of millions of dollars and not asking for bin laden I tried to raise people's concern as much as I could. When I saw them bring back cold-war tactics and ignore what even us enlisted knew back in the late eighties. When I saw them ignore my former overall commanding general... when I saw them create what would become isis...

I do not forget. I do not hesitate to tell people. Even my father.

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Written by Vidmo Oreda on 2024-11-08 at 08:33

@joncruz as a 54 year old veteran that is gay... yes me, not a brother..., not a friend... an actual gay man.... I can say that the youth of today are supporting us, coming to our "rescue" so to speak. Every young person nowadays has a gay friend, relative... and telling religious bigots to go fuck themselves. I am proud of the youth... but I also think they need to grow a few layers skin. It's rough out here. But I support them.

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Written by Vidmo Oreda on 2024-11-08 at 01:46

@anildash btw , I will fight hard against any time of fascism... and I am joined by my Trump supporting friends. that I have (not all of my friends, but....). Trust me when I say that myself and other like minded veterans will protect this country without lives against fascism. Just know that...

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Written by Vidmo Oreda on 2024-11-08 at 01:49

@anildash@me.dmone more thing... fight. We will fight. but right now we need positivity and not fear baiting posts like this. Oh, I know nothing I say will change it... so you and others passing misinformation or fear baiting will find out what it is like to actually be a badass. You are not... you are spreading fear.

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Written by Sam Adeleine on 2024-11-08 at 01:46

@Vidmo @anildash Women have already died because of abortion restrictions in red states. Hispanic people will be harassed by immigration cops, and trans kids will be forced to stay in the closet. Maybe the worst-case scenarios won't come to pass, but lots of people have reason to be scared.

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Written by Vidmo Oreda on 2024-11-08 at 01:47

@samadeleine @anildash That is very true.... so horrible. I hope we can get this resolved. I have a good friend that went though this, lost his wife. I understand. But this isn't just Trump... that is some really fucked up republicans that are hyper focused on a God that they don't go a see every Sunday.

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Written by Jon A. Cruz on 2024-11-08 at 05:04

@Vidmo @samadeleine @anildash oh, no. It's very much Trump. From the very first time he laughed when he heard his supporters were beating up people just for being Hispanic way back durng his first campaign, he enabled and fostered such hate. He made it OK to show that type of action. He took control of the party by having no shame. Yes, he's made it much, much worse

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Written by Vidmo Oreda on 2024-11-08 at 08:29

@joncruz I think you may be giving that ONE man too much. Statistically, one man can not have that kind of effect. Even Hitler didn't have that... it was his inner circle, but it was also the German people. They loved him... until they didn't. That is what we are facing right now. Trump is a catalyst that brought out what we are seeing... lol Trump didn't do anything but give the real assholes a way to express their real intentions. Trump was his own pawn.

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Written by Jon A. Cruz on 2024-11-08 at 09:06

@Vidmo statistics can easily lie to you. It is possible for Spiders Georg to muck things up.

You're also missing some things on Hitler. They followed him until he died. After the fact many claimed otherwise. But they followed. Once he died so did the bulk of the movement.

I studied this a lot. Much while stationed literally in former Nazi barracks.

I also listen to the experts in Nazi history. Those academics have also been trying to raise the alarm. Listen to them.

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Written by Jon A. Cruz on 2024-11-08 at 10:09

@Vidmo BTW, when I mentioned "studied" while I was in Germany, one of the main things if "studying" was the studying for my Sergeant's exam board. This was also the period of time when someone from my building (not unit) defected to the U.S.S.R., and when a west German youth landed a plane in Red Square. The board was tough (made the promotion list in only 2 years peacetime though. I definitely had to study hard)

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Written by Vidmo Oreda on 2024-11-08 at 13:35

@joncruz I do understand this.... I was a tad salty last night for reasons.... and that is great you did your advancement in 2 years. Military billets are sometimes very difficult due to a lot of politics and staffing.... so testing out that fast is amazing

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Written by Silkester on 2024-11-08 at 19:47

@Vidmo @joncruz

Concentration camps started out as prisons for the Hitlers political opposition. They where rushed into existence because there wasn't enough space in Germany's prisons.

The political prisoners were released after a few months in the labor camps. "Work sets you free" was on the gates of these camps.

No Germans didn't love Hitler the way you think. Their reality changed and they adapted.

Think Fox "News" propaganda and how family members changed and became unreachable.

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Written by Jon A. Cruz on 2024-11-08 at 19:55

@silkester @Vidmo and there one of the biggest lessons I learned from researchers looking into why certain people hid others in Nazi Germany, while other people turned away or turned in their neighbors.

They had the same answer:

"How could I do otherwise?"

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Written by Silkester on 2024-11-08 at 20:20

@joncruz @Vidmo

I grew up among Germans who lived in the Nazi era. One of their defense was survival. "It wasn't all bad. Hitler built the Autobahn" is the equivalent of we no longer had to worry to get food on the table.

When I was young light-heart Nazi romantic comedy were reruns on TV. UFA provided an escape from reality. You weren't morally challenged on a daily basis.

Plenty of Trump voters justify their choice with cost of living and a very warped understanding of freedom.

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Written by Silkester on 2024-11-08 at 20:30

@joncruz @Vidmo

There is a big component: failure of imagination.

When I pointed to history and obvious parallels to MAGA supporters on Twitter, in 2020, I was often told that the US is different it couldn't happen.

Then I saw RNC photos with calls for "mass deportation now." The reality of millions has been altered. And they F-ing lack the imagination of how much worse it likely will get.

I'm fairly sure your imagination fails you when it comes to your fellow countrymen.

1/2

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Written by Silkester on 2024-11-08 at 19:37

@joncruz @Vidmo @samadeleine @anildash

And while Evangelicals are not Opus Dei, Opus Dei had a hand in stacking US court with extremists, while Evangelicals provided the voters. Just like religious fanaticism latched on to Franco in spain

Billionaires couldn give a hoot. But they are happy to take advantage of the situation, just as Thyssen did and regretted when he supported the NAZIs..

Trumo is foremost a kleptocrat. But he also checks the marker for a full blown fascist & happily be one.

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Written by John Goerzen on 2024-11-08 at 04:39

@Vidmo @anildash I'm not that young. We know the next 4 years will be bad. How bad, we don't know. We could see something a little worse than his first term, a crippling hunger-causing depression, a Turkey or Hungary loss of free speech, or a full-on Nazi reincarnation. Partly it is up to us; if we give up hope, then we make the worse case more likely. I wish I had your optimism, but with the Supreme Court in his pocket, I lack your certainty. There's a nonzero chance he stays more than 4 years.

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Written by John Goerzen on 2024-11-08 at 04:41

@Vidmo @anildash Even slightly worse than his first term is really bad for many Americans, too.

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Written by Vidmo Oreda on 2024-11-08 at 08:35

@jgoerzen @anildash Hey, just have the certainty and the optimism. Pull it out of that place of uncertainty, but also know that you are not not alone... fight! But fight with love and respect. The change will happen with us, the people... not some figurehead.

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Written by Lot⁴⁹ on 2024-11-08 at 01:29

@anildash Wish that last sentence were true.

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Written by Luna chan on 2024-11-08 at 01:51

@anildash Maybe all tech workers need to strike in retaliation.

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Written by vruz on 2024-11-08 at 02:04

@anildash

Time to throw a few wrenches into the machinery of fascism. There's never been a better time.

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Written by astroPug on 2024-11-08 at 02:06

@anildash

Yes. Thank you, and you are right!

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Written by Badtux the Snarky Penguin on 2024-11-08 at 02:11

@anildash I hate to say it, but most of the tech bros I work with in Silicon Valley are total douchbags who view women as not-human cum receptacles and gay/trans people as not-human, and view compassion and kindness as weakness.

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Written by nelrafa103 on 2024-11-08 at 04:07

@badtux @anildash It's hard to believe that the majority of the developers in silicon valley are so disgusting. I mean, it's not the first thing that comes to mind when i think about silicon valley. I don't know. Change my mind

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Written by Jon A. Cruz on 2024-11-08 at 05:06

@nelrafa103 @badtux @anildash self selection. If you want to chase money and power, that's where to go.

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Written by Jon A. Cruz on 2024-11-08 at 05:05

@badtux @anildash true. Then again that's why I stayed away from there to begin with and moved back to SoCal as soon as I fi wished active duty

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Written by Patrick Townsend on 2024-11-08 at 02:23

@anildash

This. Never ever ever work for a toxic CEO/Company/Manager. The world needs your skills. You deserve to be proud of your work and how it is being used.

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Written by :jan:‍:abreath:🌬️:dandelion: on 2024-11-08 at 02:26

@anildash most of us coordinated could shut down the entire country just by turning off the switches at the same time. maybe we should hang on to that one

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Written by Colin from Edinburgh, Oklahoma on 2024-11-08 at 02:29

@anildash

What power?

Exactly, what?

You put your piece of paper in the box.

What other power do you have?

https://medium.com/@colingajewski/the-slow-death-of-american-democracy-a-warning-caae0e6aea70

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