@AeonCypher @johnzajac @dawngreeter those are great examples! And yeah, lacking any sort of predictive power is another great argument against. The thing about COINTELPRO and MKUltra is that the core teams were actually fairly small. Like, MKUltra was massive, but most of it's size was the CIA funding research into psychedelics secretly, the core team out dosing people secretly and setting up CIA run brothels was a much smaller team that worked directly for the CIA
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