@Beldarak @jaredwhite about 99% of the shit I see people doing with gigabytes of pulled in javascript libraries can be trivially done in pure html5/css these days. Webdev isn't the hellscape it is because it has to be, it is because web developers in general are extremely lazy and set in their ways and would rather pour 10 layers of javascript libraries onto a site that eats so much memory it can lag out a gaming pc than just learn how to do a basic layout.
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