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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:20

1/ Here's my take on what's happening with DOGE.

I've got fed experience through contracting with Health & Human Safety, Head Start, The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and DOD. I get brought in when people need to get shit done. Other people here have way more experience than me.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:21

2/ (Meanwhile, check out the reporting at https://wired.com and https://404media.co, it's good and you can tell they've got good sources.)

It's really bad!

Here's the thing about tech in general, and tech in gov specifically. It's always about people, not the technology.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:23

3/ The most important thing to realize here is that technology is just a tool and it's used at the direction of people to accomplish their goals.

The second most important thing is that things change when they are deemed important enough.

COVID and unemployment insurance is a good example.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:23

4/ When COVID hit, a whole bunch of government technology became critical and politically sensitive. Just the same way the launch of the Affordable Care Act website was botched.

In both cases, "we" knew what to do, how to figure it out, and and how to do it.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:25

5/ Unemployment Insurance (UI) systems needed to be modernized for lots of reasons before COVID hit.

But the lesson of COVID-19 is that modernizing, upgrading, and making government services simpler, clearer, faster could have happened at any time if it was deemed important enough.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:27

6/ I give you all this setup because like I said, the most important thing to realize is that the combination of Musk and the President and the administration's core have made what they want to achieve very, very, very important.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:30

7/ What's happening is the combination of:

i) People at the highest level of leadership with clear priorities

ii) People who don't care about the consequences

iii) A bureaucratic model of deference

And I think at the lowest level, some of the actual tech.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:36

8/ In normal times, it is very very very hard to make a change to government technology. This is mainly because there are rules to stop you and people who will enforce those rules. It is much less so because of the underlying technology.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:37

9/ Some of the rules stopping you from changing government technology (from the copy on a webpage to changing how rebates are calculated) are reasonable and make sense.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:37

10/ But many of the rules are unreasonable. They are absolutely too conservative in favor of reducing risk. Sometimes this is described as "doing nothing is the least riskiest option"*

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:37

11/ Across government, most of the people who enforce & make these rules are unqualified and inexperienced.

In a safe environment, they will admit that. Most of our knowledge has been hollowed out to the private sector. On purpose.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:43

12/ One reason why rules make it so difficult to change government technology is because it's brittle.

It is reliable, but until the technology is capable of rolling back a change, making changes absolutely comes with risk.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:43

13/ Here's a reason why there are rules that make it hard to make changes to government technology:

A system in California deals with submitting federal Medicaid reimbursement. When I worked with that system, it dealt with so much that if it broke for one day, California would be insolvent

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:47

14/ But the only effective, practical thing stopping changes is because there is a rule and you would get in trouble for breaking the rule.

The person running DOGE and this administration don't care about getting in trouble for breaking those rules.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:47

15/ There is a thing in federal government called an ATO, an Authority to Operate: digital.gov/resources/an...

You are not supposed to, uh, operate a software system without obtaining an ATO. Normally this is really hard! (In many cases it shouldn't be)

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:51

16/ The DOGE team are absolutely behaving in a way that suggests they don't give a shit about ATOs.

What's terrifying is that there is nobody stopping them.

Which is why I said this comes down to people making decisions and whether those people care about consequences.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:52

17/ What's happening is just like a corny Bond supervillain plot. Get control of the computer and information systems and you can do a lot.

You can stop payments. You can just turn things off. You can just break them, which practically can be the same as turning things off.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:55

18/ "But Dan, what about security measures like, I don't know, some sort of 2FA or a PIV card, or multiple signoffs before deploying?"

  1. "You're fired unless you give me that 2FA code"

  1. "You're fired unless you give me your PIV"

  1. "You're fired unless you approve this deployment"

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:56

19/ In computer security, there's a class of problem called The Evil Housekeeper Problem*. Basically: once someone has physical access to a system, you are effectively screwed.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:58

20/ The Evil Housekeeper Problem is why the physical presence of DOGE is terrifying. Yes, "the cloud", but there's still on-premises technology.

And it's easier to coerce people when you are standing next to them, threatening them.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 22:00

21/ All the rules and measures I talk about above are put in place because you don't want something to break.

Musk, Trump and the rest of the administration want to break things. Accelerationists are in the executive branch. Leadership like Secretaries and Directors want to break things

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 22:08

22/ So I want you to understand how easy it is to break things or turn things off.

i) government technology is brittle

ii) coercion is easy ("you're fired", "we will stop paying you", "we will tear up the contract")

Musk just stops paying for things he doesn't want to pay for.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 22:08

23/ Like, "Musk doesn't pay for things" isn't up for debate. There's ample evidence. "Trump doesn't pay for things" isn't up for debate either. These are both facts.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 22:08

24/ If you're, say, a major government contractor like Deloitte, or a consultancy that runs the system for tracking migrant unaccompanied minors for DHHS and the DHHS secretary or Musk says "we will not pay for this" and instructs the bureaucracy to do so, then that contractor won't get paid.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 22:09

25/ So now you're a government contractor with a contract worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and a whole bunch of people on staff working on it. Do you just... keep going? Knowing you won't get paid? Do you tell your staff to stop working? What if they've been told to stop already anyway?

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 22:11

26/ I cannot imagine what it is like for the people in 18F and the US Digital Service right now and I don't hold them in judgment at all.

Like, I'm sure I know the person who was instructed to and made the commits on websites to scrub anything to do with DEI, likely under threat.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 22:17

27/ I don't pretend to know even a tenth of critical government systems, whether to do with regularly moving around stupendous amounts of money, or handling private information that can identify you.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 22:18

28/ What I know is what I said up top: tech does what you tell it to do. If there's no one to tell you to stop, and you don't care either way, all bets are off.

You have someone in charge who unplugs shit and doesn't care, and an administration on record that wants to break things.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 22:21

29/ The U.S. Digital Service is a good example of the deal with gov tech.

With political clout, USDS people were able to go in and change things "because the President wants it done". That's the lesson.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 22:27

30/ USDS' technical capability was parachuted in at the direction of the President. 18F has to be invited in. But the precedent was set for "rapid technical change can just happen because the executive wants it to".

Because it's all about people.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 22:27

31/ Government is built to be stable.

We're seeing what happens when the duly elected people who run it and make decisions disagree and don't care.

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 22:27

32/ The end? I guess I can take questions.

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Written by Viss on 2025-02-05 at 22:31

@danhon i have a question:

what are the ways to offer services to .gov when you dont have a dozen people dedicated to just handling all the paperwork involved with becoming a government vendor? we looked into it and gave up because we didnt have 2 million a year to spend on just juggling all the bureaucratic paperwork and overhead

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Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 22:36

@Viss One way is to subcontract.

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Written by Jonathan Kamens on 2025-02-05 at 23:31

@danhon Yeah, the standard way to get into the business of government tech contracting is to start by subcontracting to the prime contractor who won the contract, to build experience and position your company to be able to bid on contracts directly.

I believe there are also SBA programs that help new businesses get access to government business, I believe, e.g. 8(a).

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Written by Jennifer on 2025-02-06 at 13:11

@jik @danhon I work for a small government contractor, we think competition is going to get incredibly fierce with all the downsizing so this is a bad time to start contracting. The SBA does have great programs, but I also think they are about to get gutted because there are programs for women and minorities. I've worked on government contracts on and off for years and it's incredibly bureaucratic and inefficient. After working on a NASA contract I was surprised we ever made it to the moon. I totally support streamlining government, improving the tech infrastructure, and cutting waste (I have seen a LOT of that), but what is happening now is an attempt to destroy government, not fix it.

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