Ancestors

Toot

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:20

1/ Here's my take on what's happening with DOGE.

I've got fed experience through contracting with Health & Human Safety, Head Start, The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and DOD. I get brought in when people need to get shit done. Other people here have way more experience than me.

https://dan.mastohon.com/@danhon/113953007466779969

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Descendants

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:21

2/ (Meanwhile, check out the reporting at https://wired.com and https://404media.co, it's good and you can tell they've got good sources.)

It's really bad!

Here's the thing about tech in general, and tech in gov specifically. It's always about people, not the technology.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:23

3/ The most important thing to realize here is that technology is just a tool and it's used at the direction of people to accomplish their goals.

The second most important thing is that things change when they are deemed important enough.

COVID and unemployment insurance is a good example.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:23

4/ When COVID hit, a whole bunch of government technology became critical and politically sensitive. Just the same way the launch of the Affordable Care Act website was botched.

In both cases, "we" knew what to do, how to figure it out, and and how to do it.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:25

5/ Unemployment Insurance (UI) systems needed to be modernized for lots of reasons before COVID hit.

But the lesson of COVID-19 is that modernizing, upgrading, and making government services simpler, clearer, faster could have happened at any time if it was deemed important enough.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:27

6/ I give you all this setup because like I said, the most important thing to realize is that the combination of Musk and the President and the administration's core have made what they want to achieve very, very, very important.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:30

7/ What's happening is the combination of:

i) People at the highest level of leadership with clear priorities

ii) People who don't care about the consequences

iii) A bureaucratic model of deference

And I think at the lowest level, some of the actual tech.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:36

8/ In normal times, it is very very very hard to make a change to government technology. This is mainly because there are rules to stop you and people who will enforce those rules. It is much less so because of the underlying technology.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:37

9/ Some of the rules stopping you from changing government technology (from the copy on a webpage to changing how rebates are calculated) are reasonable and make sense.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:37

10/ But many of the rules are unreasonable. They are absolutely too conservative in favor of reducing risk. Sometimes this is described as "doing nothing is the least riskiest option"*

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:37

11/ Across government, most of the people who enforce & make these rules are unqualified and inexperienced.

In a safe environment, they will admit that. Most of our knowledge has been hollowed out to the private sector. On purpose.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:43

12/ One reason why rules make it so difficult to change government technology is because it's brittle.

It is reliable, but until the technology is capable of rolling back a change, making changes absolutely comes with risk.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:43

13/ Here's a reason why there are rules that make it hard to make changes to government technology:

A system in California deals with submitting federal Medicaid reimbursement. When I worked with that system, it dealt with so much that if it broke for one day, California would be insolvent

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:47

14/ But the only effective, practical thing stopping changes is because there is a rule and you would get in trouble for breaking the rule.

The person running DOGE and this administration don't care about getting in trouble for breaking those rules.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:47

15/ There is a thing in federal government called an ATO, an Authority to Operate: digital.gov/resources/an...

You are not supposed to, uh, operate a software system without obtaining an ATO. Normally this is really hard! (In many cases it shouldn't be)

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:51

16/ The DOGE team are absolutely behaving in a way that suggests they don't give a shit about ATOs.

What's terrifying is that there is nobody stopping them.

Which is why I said this comes down to people making decisions and whether those people care about consequences.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:52

17/ What's happening is just like a corny Bond supervillain plot. Get control of the computer and information systems and you can do a lot.

You can stop payments. You can just turn things off. You can just break them, which practically can be the same as turning things off.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:55

18/ "But Dan, what about security measures like, I don't know, some sort of 2FA or a PIV card, or multiple signoffs before deploying?"

  1. "You're fired unless you give me that 2FA code"

  1. "You're fired unless you give me your PIV"

  1. "You're fired unless you approve this deployment"

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:56

19/ In computer security, there's a class of problem called The Evil Housekeeper Problem*. Basically: once someone has physical access to a system, you are effectively screwed.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 21:58

20/ The Evil Housekeeper Problem is why the physical presence of DOGE is terrifying. Yes, "the cloud", but there's still on-premises technology.

And it's easier to coerce people when you are standing next to them, threatening them.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-05 at 22:00

21/ All the rules and measures I talk about above are put in place because you don't want something to break.

Musk, Trump and the rest of the administration want to break things. Accelerationists are in the executive branch. Leadership like Secretaries and Directors want to break things

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by CausticMango on 2025-02-05 at 22:26

@danhon apropos ... https://xkcd.com/538/

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from causticmsngo@mastodon.social

Written by Chris Adams on 2025-02-05 at 23:41

@danhon Iโ€™ve been wondering what the odds are that those relatively inexperienced engineers are being spear-phished. Their contact info appears to have been leaked and Iโ€™d be shocked if theyโ€™re maintaining good separate between personal and government resources in this kind of rush.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from acdha@thepit.social

Written by Tuckers Nuts Resist! ๐Ÿ˜ˆ on 2025-02-05 at 22:15

@danhon

๐Ÿฅฅ We WERE making DEI progress, Dan. Sorry.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from jstatepost@mstdn.social

Written by kellan on 2025-02-05 at 21:57

@danhon yeah, the part that was always unbelievable about Bond is the motivation to just break shit didn't seem like it would scale up to someone with that much power and yet here we are. Breaking things is so easy.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from kellan@fiasco.social

Written by B05H on 2025-02-05 at 22:25

@danhon all well and good until thereโ€™s a brick to the face

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from bosh@infosec.exchange

Written by ๐•Ž๐•ฆ๐•๐•—๐•ช on 2025-02-06 at 01:36

@danhon

Can I have that in writing please?

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from n_dimension@infosec.exchange

Written by Dan Hon on 2025-02-06 at 02:27

@n_dimension sure, after we put your name on this website.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from danhon@dan.mastohon.com

Written by ๐•Ž๐•ฆ๐•๐•—๐•ช on 2025-02-06 at 02:45

@danhon

You are really making it easy for my estate lawyers ๐Ÿ˜

This is why the need for being in the unions has never gone away.

Fascists are always one, last election away from seizing power

[#]UnionStrong #Unions #fascists

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from n_dimension@infosec.exchange

Written by Evan Prodromou on 2025-02-05 at 22:18

@danhon so, I am not sure if trying to stop them is the same as stopping them, but it seems like some officials have tried:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/02/usaid-officials-put-on-leave-musk-doge

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from evan@cosocial.ca

Written by Michael Wyman on 2025-02-05 at 21:56

@danhon My father worked in ACH processing at the federal reserve for the decade before he retired. Similarly there, you donโ€™t make changes wily-nily because if the ACH calculations are wrong, itโ€™s often billions of dollars and possible financial chaos.

These folks donโ€™t seem like they care about those possibilities (and, in fact, might relish having that chaos happen)

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from mwyman@mastodon.social

Written by JJDavis :terminal: on 2025-02-06 at 03:11

@mwyman @danhon I'm pretty sure chaos is the point of the exercise.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from jjdavis@infosec.exchange

Written by Nazani on 2025-02-06 at 13:56

@mwyman @danhon

I hope they'll relish having seniors with nothing to lose beat them senseless with canes.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from Nazani@universeodon.com

Written by Brian Kohan on 2025-02-05 at 21:43

@danhon I think thereโ€™s also a general misunderstanding of how risk should work in govt. The vast majority of the federal budget is disbursements to entitlements that keep people alive. You want this system to change slowly because if you fuck it up you will kill lots of people

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from bckohan@fosstodon.org

Written by Sally Strange on 2025-02-05 at 22:02

@bckohan @danhon these guys absolutely want to kill lots of people.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from SallyStrange@eldritch.cafe

Written by ๐•Ž๐•ฆ๐•๐•—๐•ช on 2025-02-06 at 02:05

@SallyStrange @bckohan @danhon

The genocide is in the name.

"Accelerationists" are not accelerating Nirvana.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from n_dimension@infosec.exchange

Written by @ NovaNaturalist๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ฑ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡ฝ FBPE on 2025-02-06 at 00:29

@bckohan @danhon

When I was a UK civil servant - but most of my career in NGO sector - I realised that what looks like government inefficiency is actually a lot of internal coordination to avoid missteps. Because government department must never make mistakes, and there is so much scope for this to happen.

Other organizations are able to have a very different way of dealing with risk. There's a huge amount of waste in private sector btw.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from NovaNaturalist@mstdn.ca

Written by okanogen VerminEnemyFromWithin on 2025-02-06 at 00:56

@bckohan @danhon

Which matters only when you care if you kill lots of people.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from Okanogen@mastodon.social

Written by Gatekeeper.. on 2025-02-06 at 14:24

@danhon

lets agree to call it Douch.

=> More informations about this toot | More toots from GatekeepKen@mastodon.social

Proxy Information
Original URL
gemini://mastogem.picasoft.net/thread/113953371780261395
Status Code
Success (20)
Meta
text/gemini
Capsule Response Time
470.196295 milliseconds
Gemini-to-HTML Time
10.695429 milliseconds

This content has been proxied by September (3851b).