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Written by Mother Bones on 2025-02-05 at 00:04

Via Daniel Nichanian

@taniel‬

Feb 4, 2025, 6:32 PM

"new reporting that Elon is instructing GSA, the agency that manages government worksites, to terminate the leases for all (!) federal offices nationwide."

https://apnews.com/article/trump-musk-gsa-terminate-office-leases-f8faac5e2038722f705587c8dd21ab26

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Descendants

Written by Mother Bones on 2025-02-05 at 00:20

Via Elizabeth Cronise McLaughlin

@ecmclaughlin‬

Feb 4, 2025, 6:49 PM

"They are going to sell off government buildings for cash, just like other oligarchies."

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Written by Mother Bones on 2025-02-05 at 00:24

Via Rebecca Solnit

@RebeccaSolnit‬

Feb 4, 2025, 6:50 PM

"This may not sound shocking, but it is one of the most shocking parts of this coup: why would you shut down all the federal offices unless you're nihilists who've decided we don't need a government?"

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Written by Gulf of Gregly on 2025-02-05 at 00:09

@L1vY @taniel@journa.host Fine, then the individual states can swoop in and take them over, then continue business as usual — cutting the federal government out of the picture entirely, and making sure they don’t get one red cent.

It’s time for states to start saying “you can’t fire us, we quit”.

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 00:29

@gregly The prices on some of those properties is astronomical. Post offices especially. @L1vY

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Written by Gulf of Gregly on 2025-02-05 at 00:35

@Pineywoozle @L1vY Sure sounds like a financial windfall for the states. Time to put eminent domain to work!

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 00:43

@gregly No actually the money is federal so tRump hoovers it up. The properties are sold to oligarchs who also make a profit. The states are left with citizens who have to pay more to get services. It’s beyond sick.

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Written by Gulf of Gregly on 2025-02-05 at 00:52

@Pineywoozle Oh yeah, I know — which is why I say the states should seize the properties outright, and cease providing any funds to the federal government. I mean, why not? After all, laws mean nothing now, right? Civil norms are out the window!

This is all unserious cynicism to deal with this insanity, of course. And any state that currently gets more in federal funds than they provide would be utterly screwed.

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 01:08

@gregly Oh, duh, sorry. That was me being slow.

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Written by Gulf of Gregly on 2025-02-05 at 01:09

@Pineywoozle No worries. We’re all going a bit haywire these days. 😅

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 01:13

@gregly Good lord isn’t that the truth. 😜

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Written by Joseph A di Paolantonio on 2025-02-05 at 00:13

@L1vY @taniel and yet, they issued a “return to office” order

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Written by Laffy on 2025-02-05 at 00:18

@L1vY @taniel Wait, what?

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 00:35

@GottaLaff They have been jonesing to sell off post offices for eons. That property is worth billions. Plus then to get our mail we have to pay Amazon exorbitant rates. State Capture of services is always a first step. (It’s called State Capture because private entities capture things normally run by the “State” ie federal government. The name always stops me for a sec.)

[#]StateCapture @L1vY @taniel

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Written by Laffy on 2025-02-05 at 00:36

@Pineywoozle Oh, most def. @L1vY @taniel

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 00:41

@GottaLaff The whole thing just breaks your heart & your brain if you care at all about your fellow man. So many elderly people get their meds and med supplies via the post. 💔 @L1vY @taniel

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Written by Peter Butler on 2025-02-05 at 05:25

@Pineywoozle @GottaLaff @L1vY @taniel

It’s like they’re smashing down the libraries (and they might) … watching our cherished institutions that took centuries to build, the ones that actually serve the people getting destroyed … it’s a special kind of heartbreaking

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 12:27

@peterbutler It really is and libraries are absolutely on their hit list. @GottaLaff @L1vY @taniel

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Written by Tengrain on 2025-02-05 at 00:40

@Pineywoozle @GottaLaff @L1vY @taniel

I can tell you Amazon doesn’t want it. They want to have USPS do last mile service for a low, low rate.

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 01:19

@Tengrain Yeah but I think their work around will be to make usps workers contract employees or some other ugly plan and have them work out of old malls. 😜 @GottaLaff @L1vY @taniel

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 01:21

@Tengrain Plus tRump doesn’t care if Amazon wants it. He’ll syphon off the cash and let it be other people’s problem. It will also fuck with mid term voting. So win win win.

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 03:26

@Tengrain I don’t really know what they’ll try those are just guesses but I know it won’t be for the benefit of the American people.

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Written by Tengrain on 2025-02-05 at 16:50

@Pineywoozle

Who would want a private business that by design can never be profitable?

It’s the level-of-service to reach every person in the country. If Republicans can get rid of that, then it is no different than UPS (who also don’t want to own USPS).

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 20:07

@Tengrain To destroy it if they can’t charge enough to make it profitable. To destroy mail in voting. Who would push killing off grannie with COVID so the Government wouldn’t have to pay SS and the work force would go back to the office earlier… It’s the GOP, they often have lots of reasons normal decent Americans would never even think of… It’s also specifically the oligarchs, strip a business of any assets, then dump it. I don’t know but I know it’s one of their goals.

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 20:12

@Tengrain to change the pension structure from within?… but honestly fucking up mail in voting durring the midterms while they solidify their hold on America would make it worth gold if it were me.

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Written by Tengrain on 2025-02-05 at 20:16

@Pineywoozle

Sure,I agree with you that is a goal, but why would (for instance) Bezos care about that goal? With the obvious exception of Musk (who seems to be a fascist for fascism’s sake), I cannot imagine one of the billionaires making the case to their BODs to buy the thing.

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 20:25

@Tengrain Plenty of obscenely wealthy fellow travelers in the GOP orbit who can be led by their egos to think they could be the one to make a go of it…

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Written by Tengrain on 2025-02-05 at 20:28

@Pineywoozle

The phrase, “What’s in it for ME?” is always what is on their minds.

There’s business decisions and personal decisions.

$500M to buy a yacht? No problem!

$5B to flush down the drain for a goal that benefits someone else? No way!

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 20:46

@Tengrain Musk flushed plenty to destroy Twitter. His initial goal was to make it profitable.Thet was never the goal of his investors. He had big plans to sell the punters Doge coins then sell blue checkmarks for Doge coins, to make it have all kinds of other functions. Never underestimate guys who were born on third base who think they’re home run hitters. That worked well in that he damaged elections and his business but still came out on top (ish)

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Written by Tengrain on 2025-02-05 at 20:52

@Pineywoozle

Musk is definitely a different breed of cat, as I noted: a fascist for fascism’s sake.

All bets are off when it comes to him. But the others wouldn’t touch it on a dare.

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 21:00

@Tengrain I don’t think he’s that unique. He’s just like tRump in that he can’t help saying the quiet part out loud. There are a disturbing number of Harlan Crows with “Nazi sculpture gardens” .

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Written by Tengrain on 2025-02-05 at 21:04

@Pineywoozle

I agree that there’s a lot of rich people with Nazi Gardens, but Skipping Dipshit Nazi Elon Musk is in a different class. That kinda wealth is something we’ve never seen before.

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 21:08

@Tengrain It’s obscene. Before the election he felt vulnerable to prosecution. There is a clip where the mask slipped and he admitted that he “needed” tRump to win. There may yet be a way to bring him to heel.

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 21:43

@Tengrain This quote from Wired reenforces how desperate he was for a tRump win. “WIRED reported extensively on the working conditions of door knockers for contractors for America PAC, including a group of canvassers in Michigan who were driven around in the back of a seatless U-Haul moving van and threatened to have their pay and lodging withheld if they did not hit their quotas for Blitz Canvassing, a subcontractor for Musk’s PAC.“

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Written by Tengrain on 2025-02-05 at 21:48

@Pineywoozle Yeah, and Musk stiffed them and left them behind to find their own way home on their own dime.

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Written by Tengrain on 2025-02-05 at 20:56

@Pineywoozle

I’ll also add that Musk and the 4th Reich can destroy USPS without buying it, just as they are doing with the rest of the Federal government.

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 21:05

@Tengrain Absolutely. Squeezing it for assets like the property, then any means to destroy it is fine. The only reason to buy it would be to get some degree of speed in its total destruction or to get money out of some ego driven idiot who thinks “they” can make it work. No where in any rational mind does this end with a functioning post office, that benefits Americans.

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Written by Tengrain on 2025-02-05 at 21:12

@Pineywoozle

Lock the doors at the processing plants would do it and not cost the fascists anything.

But then again, locking out Union workers usually gets an injunction immediately.

At any rate, they can eff it up a million ways to Sunday without buying it.

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Written by wendinoakland :bc: on 2025-02-05 at 00:41

@Pineywoozle @GottaLaff @L1vY @taniel Did Canada privatize their mail? The UK did with horrible results.

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Written by Laffy on 2025-02-05 at 00:41

@wendinoakland Not that I know of. @Pineywoozle @L1vY @taniel

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Written by Joker on 2025-02-05 at 01:09

@GottaLaff @wendinoakland @Pineywoozle @L1vY @taniel No it is still run by the feds. Pp and the conservatives have been trying to get rid of it and the cbc for years.

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Written by Phil Olin on 2025-02-05 at 00:56

@Pineywoozle @GottaLaff @L1vY @taniel Maybe it’s different elsewhere, but our two local post offices are leased. The USPS doesn’t own the property. One of our local POs is leased from our town, as it’s in the same building as our town hall.

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 01:30

@sgtstretch It varies and they don’t care about the small ones. It’s the big city real-estate they’re after. @GottaLaff @L1vY @taniel

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Written by huntingdon on 2025-02-05 at 01:03

@Pineywoozle @GottaLaff @L1vY @taniel

This has been a rightwing nutjob wet dream for decades. Yes, the P.O. real estate portfolio alone is worth many billions, prime city center and suburban locations.

Apart from the mind boggling rapaciousness, it would only be an early step to something much darker.

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 01:06

@huntingdon Yep, it’s beyond ugly.

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Written by Frank on 2025-02-05 at 00:19

@L1vY @taniel bet he won't pay the rents there either

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Written by Coles Street Pothole 💀 on 2025-02-05 at 00:33

@L1vY @RebeccaSolnit Why do I get the feeling that the U.S. Department of Agriculture building is going to become a Trump condo building?

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Written by Phoenix Gee on 2025-02-05 at 00:34

@L1vY

Well, an idea comes to mind... i think everyone should start thinking about their own personal form of tax withholding, starting now. It's tAx sEaSoN after all...

@RebeccaSolnit

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Written by Gulf of Gregly on 2025-02-05 at 01:04

@phoenixgee @L1vY @RebeccaSolnit I was just writing about that, and the problem therein — that you need a critical mass of people to participate in that, enough that it cripples the IRS trying to handle the sheer volume of disobedience; otherwise you just get a bunch of people who are royally screwed as the IRS destroys their lives.

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Written by Phoenix Gee on 2025-02-05 at 01:15

@gregly @L1vY @RebeccaSolnit Just gotta start asking people "You really willingly continue paying... for THAT?"

But yeah i know what you mean. Unity isn't something that's easy to come by - yet.

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Written by Gulf of Gregly on 2025-02-05 at 01:19

@phoenixgee @L1vY @RebeccaSolnit The other problem is that many people — heck, including myself until a dumb miscalculation this year — get refunds in April, they don’t owe more. The taxes have already been paid.

The only way to do a true tax protest would be for everyone to file a new W-4 specifying no taxes withheld, which is, well, hard enough that most people are gonna have a lot of second thoughts and misgiving while in the process of doing it.

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Written by Phoenix Gee on 2025-02-05 at 01:35

@gregly @L1vY @RebeccaSolnit Yeah i was briefly looking at W-4 rules for no-withholding and that would only work if one didn't owe taxes the previous year. So no-go for me :(

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 00:36

@L1vY #StateCapture is sick. They are sick.

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Written by Galad on 2025-02-05 at 02:57

@Pineywoozle @L1vY The US is about to look like 1990s Russia.

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Written by Mother Bones on 2025-02-05 at 03:02

@galad @Pineywoozle Exactly 😩

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Written by @pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS on 2025-02-05 at 03:24

@L1vY Nope we aren’t gonna stand for it. There are lawsuits already in the works and legislation and protests and for the millions of us who can’t or won’t got to a one day protest the media can ignore we can grow one they can’t. Join #AfternoonNotesToAmerica

[#]Musk #GOP #tRump

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Written by Roger Moore on 2025-02-05 at 00:46

@L1vY @RebeccaSolnit

They're planning on shutting down all the parts of government involved in helping people and keeping only the military, police, and prisons. It's hard to see this any other way.

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Written by Mother Bones on 2025-02-05 at 01:34

@VATVSLPR @RebeccaSolnit

Absolutely.

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Written by 504 Battery Dr on 2025-02-05 at 03:55

@L1vY @RebeccaSolnit

They could also be shutting down these depts so they can switch all the computer systems over to whatever system musk has set up for them.

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Written by Names are a sign of vanity on 2025-02-05 at 17:02

@L1vY @RebeccaSolnit I'm glad you used the word #Nihilist. Grimes, Elmo's baby mama, sang a song with Bring Me The Horizon #NihilistBlues. My pet conspiracy theory: it's about Elmo https://youtu.be/iwzfR7-33Wc

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Written by Gulf of Gregly on 2025-02-05 at 01:02

@L1vY @ecmclaughlin Again, that’s why the instant the leases are cancelled, the states should immediately seize them and declare them state property. And if the federal government protests, say “Oh, we’re sorry; since you’ve decided laws don’t mean anything anymore, we have too. Bye.”

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