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Written by wedge on 2025-01-31 at 19:33

Curious saw. Back third of the plate has no teeth.

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Written by wedge on 2025-01-31 at 22:42

H/t to @QuietRadioOperator, who has found that it’s a kind of ‘kerf starter’ saw.

https://mstdn.ca/@QuietRadioOperator/113924906990528418

First I’ve heard of one.

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Written by Y⃒̸̷̝̜̙ͥͥͥngmar on 2025-01-31 at 20:12

@wedge French teeth stamping operator and it was time for lunch break.

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Written by PalmAndNeedle on 2025-01-31 at 22:15

@yngmar @wedge Don't think so. It's a German company. Still exists, too. F. A. Schmidt GmbH & Co. KG. Family owned and run, apparently. They have concentrated on industrial blades and knives.

https://www.faschmidt.de/contact/

Send them a mail with some photos, if possible including one that clearly shows the etching on the blade. They can probably give you an answer.

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Written by wedge on 2025-01-31 at 22:31

@PalmAndNeedle

Thanks for the info. I could see Anker Herz, and the associated mark, but couldn’t find a source.

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Written by PalmAndNeedle on 2025-01-31 at 22:49

@wedge @yngmar

You're welcome! All I did was hack "Anker Herz Säge" into ecosia :blobcat_not_like_googly:

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Written by Hart of the Wud on 2025-01-31 at 20:20

@wedge How rare. Maybe they filed them all off and got tired as they were filing the new set? Or their equipment broke half-way. Seems like a half-done job either way. But the plate looks nice.

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Written by Artanux - Simon Lefort on 2025-01-31 at 21:06

@wedge : Scie pour la musique?

( https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scie_musicale )

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Written by PalmAndNeedle on 2025-01-31 at 22:05

@Artanux @wedge Je pens qué non. Il existe scies musicales, mais ils n'ont pas des dent.

https://www.outils-professionnels.com/musiksaege.html

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Written by Daniel Bohrer on 2025-01-31 at 22:48

@wedge @QuietRadioOperator that does not make sense to me. A kerf starter is used to start a saw kerf, why would it not have any teeth? Also the usual ones I know are rather short, for marking the location of dovetail pins from the dovetail part of the joint (as popularised by Rob Cosman)

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Written by Daniel Bohrer on 2025-01-31 at 22:56

@wedge @QuietRadioOperator … but while researching kerf starters, I came upon the Glen-Drake Joinery Saw, which also does not have any teeth at the start and end of the plate: https://www.inthewoodshop.com/ToolReviews/GlenDrakeJoinerySaw.html

Apparently it is used after the kerf starter, and helps to keep the saw plate tracked in the kerf somehow…?

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Written by Daniel Bohrer on 2025-01-31 at 22:57

@wedge @QuietRadioOperator ah, PWW had an article too (although the pictures are not working for me …) https://www.popularwoodworking.com/tools/glen-drake-wild-west-joinery-saw-new-idea-in-sawing/

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Written by wedge on 2025-01-31 at 23:09

@daniel_bohrer

Yeah, seems the kerf starter knife makes an initial kerf line, just like a marking knife. Then the joinery saw’s toothless part slides through that to speed, then engages progressive teeth, fine to coarse.

The saw I shared would then seem to be a pull saw designed as a western push saw. 🤪

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