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Written by Henning Deters on 2025-01-30 at 16:29

For the sake of all that is holy and just, please don't put your replication data on your own random project website with your own random domain. IT. IS. GOING. TO. DISAPPEAR. Please use an institutional repository with a good reputation. (Yes, by all means, put a hyperlink on your website.) #OpenScience

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Written by Henning Deters on 2025-01-30 at 16:44

sure. #OpenScience

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Written by Douglas on 2025-01-30 at 16:38

@DetersHenning Ooof and archive.org doesn't have it. Rough.

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Written by Henning Deters on 2025-01-30 at 16:39

@douglasvb right!?

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Written by Charles Tapley Hoyt on 2025-01-30 at 16:43

@DetersHenning there are great places to dump things instead of your own domain that can be mentioned in the same breath like Zenodo, FigShare, Dryad, and a few other similar things! All of them give DOIs too

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Written by Michael Baudis on 2025-01-30 at 21:09

@DetersHenning In principle, true. But better than most university servers since it shows at least some effort of conscious data ownership. Also: Never use any commercial cloud provider.

So, while Zenodo has been up since 2013 and we dump data there, our own progenetix.org (well, originally progenetix.net but mapped) has been up since Nov 2000. So yes, best practices … but YMMV.

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Written by Henning Deters on 2025-01-30 at 21:44

@mbaudis

I'll grant you the presence of conscious effort, but unfortunately effort doesn't equal competence/capacity. I don't trust myself to be able to make sure that the data I want to provide can be discovered and accessed for a long time. From the perspective of a user, I'm frustrated when I run into dead links. There are experienced professionals who have studied that stuff and institutions with the required ressources. I'm glad they take care of the job for me. But ymmv indeed.

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Written by Michael Baudis on 2025-01-30 at 22:06

@DetersHenning Those professionals don’t have long term power over infrastructure (or their own future, speaking in decades here). And over the last 30ys or such for me the most stable internet things are multinational not for profits (CERN, W3org) and individuals who can (shout out to @daringfireball ).

Commercial orgs? Still smart from losing mbaudis@netscape.net in the whole Yahoo thing. And U.S. gov providers are … sometimes ephemeral.

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Written by Henning Deters on 2025-01-30 at 22:58

@mbaudis It's tricky and only death is certain. Ideally, we would have a lot of decentralization and redundancy. In practice, I trust OSF or Dataverse more than a random researcher's personal website. Even GitHub is better than the ephemeral uni webspace of a fixed-term postdoc (don't hit me).

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Written by John Gruber on 2025-01-30 at 23:04

@mbaudis @DetersHenning It’s profoundly depressing how few of my 15-20 year old outgoing links at Daring Fireball still resolve (to something other than a domain squatter). Same goes for @kottke.

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