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@harriorrihar @alex ah I figured it had to be overpainted. It's a beautiful piece, love the linework and the pastel colors. So cool looking down the well. Would gladly sit down on one of those terraces for a fresh desert lemonade. Awesome work !

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Written by tsc67 on 2025-01-29 at 18:36

@harriorrihar love this - very cool palette and approach to line

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Written by Jon Juarez on 2025-01-29 at 19:38

@chris Thanks!!!! 😊

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Written by Txo!? on 2025-01-29 at 18:40

@harriorrihar Oh! itzela!

Utzidazu esaten, ze kabroia 😬

So, mesh + textures I guess?

I would love to see a raw mesh image of this 😅

Also #b3d is also used for #blender, just in case 🙃

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Written by Jon Juarez on 2025-01-29 at 19:33

@txo_elurmaluta

Orain egiten dudana da, blokeak, Greasepenzilakin, imprimatu, arkatzakin kalkatu, argiaren kapa atera, eta batzutan kolorea ere, eta dena photoshopen konpondu.

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Written by Kumar McMillan on 2025-01-29 at 23:04

@harriorrihar nice. It reminds me of Ronda, Spain, a city built on a steep cliff https://thejerker.com/a-lost-city-in-steep-gorge-of-limestone-cliff-ronda-andalucia-spain-geotourism/

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Written by Jon Juarez on 2025-01-30 at 06:45

@kumarvibe Last week I was in Malaga, but I didn't go through Ronda. :blobaww:

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Written by Tudwall on 2025-01-30 at 10:58

@harriorrihar A colorful city going down a vertical tunnel among rocks in the desert. The artstyle is cel-shaded, the buildings are piled on top of each others and their highlights are salmon and turquoise colored

[#]ALT4you

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Written by Jon Juarez on 2025-01-30 at 11:13

@Tudwall

I don't usually put Alt text because it makes scraping easier for AIs, basically Alt text is a prompt. I know that this won't prevent me from losing my job, but I don't want to make it easy for those people who treat us with so much hate and contempt. If I put the two reasons on a scale, I know which one has more weight for me, because the images I share don't have valuable information for a blind person, and honestly, a blind person has never asked me for it.

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Written by Tudwall on 2025-01-30 at 11:16

@harriorrihar I understand, I've never seen it that way, thank you for explaining

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Written by Jon Juarez on 2025-01-30 at 11:19

@Tudwall

Thank you for your understanding, I know that my point of view is not very well received. 🫥

I had an account to spread art @Solarphunk and I ended up closing it for that reason

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Written by Sabine Hagenauer on 2025-01-30 at 11:21

@harriorrihar @Tudwall I suppose you could add this explanation as Alt text? It makes a lot of sense.

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Written by Jon Juarez on 2025-01-30 at 11:22

@daszeiserl @Tudwall

Yes, I think it's a good idea!

I did do this on @Solarphunk , but every post would turn into a debate, and I don't think it was respectful to the artists I was sharing.

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Written by Tudwall on 2025-01-30 at 11:22

@harriorrihar I understand the fear of AI, it is pretty terrifying, and it's also true that as beautiful as your art is, it doesn't hold any critical information. I dream of a better world without AI scraping and where instead AI is used for accessibility :/

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Written by Niko (Martin) :heart_ace: on 2025-01-30 at 11:28

@harriorrihar @Tudwall can understand, but it means I'll never be able to repost those posts, as a good portion of my following is visually impaired

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Written by Jon Juarez on 2025-01-30 at 11:32

@martinligabue @Tudwall

Well, if my goal was only to have my art shared, I would continue on Twitter or Bluesky and not here.

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Written by Niko (Martin) :heart_ace: on 2025-01-30 at 11:43

@harriorrihar @Tudwall the only thing I'd like you to consider is that for the AI is very easy to make a prompt from an image, both if you provide it or not doesn't change much. In any case I will still support you as your stance is more than understandable

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Written by Jon Juarez on 2025-01-30 at 12:09

@martinligabue @Tudwall

Well, data quality is important for AI, AI generates synthetic data, and a precise or accurate human description can make all the difference. And of course, it doesn't matter much at this point, I've been warning about this phenomenon since 2018, and here we are, at a point of no return. That doesn't mean I'm going to give up, we'll find a niche and a solution to the problem, but right now the networks are the enemy.

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Written by TripTilt /// tt on 2025-01-30 at 11:33

@martinligabue @harriorrihar @Tudwall

what do you think of artworks with alt text like "a very beautiful artwork"?

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Written by Jon Juarez on 2025-01-30 at 11:35

@tt @martinligabue @Tudwall

I already did that experiment, but then someone always came up and said that my description was not adequate.

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Written by Niko (Martin) :heart_ace: on 2025-01-30 at 11:41

@tt @harriorrihar @Tudwall

no, it's best to leave blank

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Written by Paul on 2025-01-30 at 14:39

@harriorrihar @Tudwall this is exactly why I always hesitate to put an alt description on my images - it sadly seems more likely it’ll be used for training purposes than it would be for accessibility reasons.

I honestly end up doing it mostly out of a sense of peer pressure here.

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Written by Jon Juarez on 2025-01-30 at 14:50

@forty2 @Tudwall

Alt text is useful for journalism, and news is not copyrighted. It pains me to say it, but I'm sure that in the case of art, Alt text has been used a lot for scraping, and it has had little impact on accessibility, beyond a few specific cases.

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Written by mirabilos on 2025-01-31 at 21:07

@harriorrihar @forty2 @Tudwall this is a bad and harmful take, and there are quite a few people who like to differ.

However, don’t use the bots. Describe the pictures yourself. Emphasise not only what is depicted but also why it’s worth looking at, and those small details that make it brilliant. #AltText has massive impact on accessibility.

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Written by mirabilos on 2025-02-01 at 01:58

@forty2 @Tudwall now they blocked me… best to block them as well, people who renege on alt text accessibility aren’t needed in Fedi culture

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Written by mirabilos on 2025-01-31 at 21:11

@harriorrihar @forty2 @Tudwall (“news is not copyrighted” is also wrong… facts aren’t, but news are creative takes on facts, which are, plus they have ancillary copyright)

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Written by Darren McGuicken on 2025-01-30 at 18:53

@harriorrihar @Tudwall What makes you think visually-impaired users wouldn’t be interested in what you’re sharing? Alt-text doesn’t just have to be a straight reproductive description of what it contains, it can be something that explains the mood or intent or carries on the content of the post in some related way. From what I’ve heard, that kind of alt-text is actually preferred.

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Written by Jon Juarez on 2025-01-30 at 20:01

@dmcgk @Tudwall

Well, I don't really know. I've been on the Internet for 20 years and no blind person has ever asked me for a description. However, I can tell you that dozens of prompters have written to me to ask me about a classification or a style in the last 2 years. Or even bots that left an automatic description of the illustration in a comment. I have also been able to read descriptions of my work in databases.

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Written by Russell Morgan on 2025-01-30 at 17:26

@harriorrihar what was this for? It’s so beautiful :)

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