jesus, Google Maps is going to change the names of the Gulf of Mexico and Denali. https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/27/24353450/google-maps-rename-gulf-of-mexico-america-mt-mckinley
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@kevinrothrock should have been the Gulf of Petty Envy.
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@kevinrothrock @nemeciii I quite liked this take on the matter
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@netpraxis @kevinrothrock @nemeciii considering that it is bordering Florida, that's a very good take.
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@aurochs @netpraxis @kevinrothrock and then there's a Greenlander's response.
Buffoon Bay and Doofus Strait between Greenland and the North America.
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you mean the "peninsula of Mexico"?
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@joriki @aurochs @netpraxis @kevinrothrock or let's just go with renaming USA to Fascistan.
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@nemeciii @aurochs @netpraxis @kevinrothrock
that seems less funny
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@joriki @nemeciii @netpraxis @kevinrothrock But they may even like it!
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I wonder if they'll show it as that for all English maps or just when viewed from the country that appropriates the name of two entire contents?
Google weirdly label Al Aqsa as "dome of the rock" even when viewed from Australia, I never hear anybody actually call it that.
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@kmpiw@infosec.exchange @kevinrothrock @kmpiw@mastodon.social it says in the article that local accounts see local names of places and the local names are decided by governments.
(My opinion) It's not up to Google to take a stance on whether they agree with a local name issued by the government or not.
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So it will only show as that in the USA? Well only get it changed if the Liberals get in and go batty?
I don't think Google follow that rule fully. I don't remember ever seeing "Occupied Palestinian Territories" on Google maps. https://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/occupied-palestinian-territories I don't think they even show فلسطين as the local name.
Their excuse is probably that it's in two parts, maybe I'll see how Hawaii shows up.
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@kmpiw @marcusnordberg @kmpiw@infosec.exchange @kevinrothrock Do you know the country Birmanie ? No. But I as French yes.
Names are political and commercial company reflects government's view.
That the point.
Also Google. They follow Trump. Because it's actual power.
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They supposedly show the local name for viewer and location. As I showed in the link, the country I'm in calls it "Occupied Palestinian Territories" so I should see that and فلسطين and I don't think Google Maps shows me that… but I've not checked recently.
The "quick stats" show "State of Palestine" from Wikipedia for Gaza City (Google themselves get no credit or blame for that) … the map shows Israel, Egypt, and… Rafah? it labels the border city but doesn't even acknowledge Egyptian border… maybe zoom…
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@kevinrothrock And next year when Trump renames "January" to "Trumpuary" will Google update its calendar app?
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@galaxy_map @kevinrothrock I think we all know the answer to that.
Sycophants and enablers as far as the eye can see.
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@JimBliss @galaxy_map @kevinrothrock if Google Maps is set to follow the Department of the Interior's naming conventions, it would be an automatic change...
I don't think this executive order matters in the grand scheme of things. If no one uses Gulf of America as a name then it'll get repealed. If people do use the name, then it'll be like renaming Sears tower. This just feels like an exhausting distraction to me
P.S. Gulf of Fragile Masculinity FTW 🤣
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@kevinrothrock United States of Trump and the Gulf of America ....
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Wenn man sieht, wie schnell die #Tech-Konzerne dem #Trump hinten rein kriechen - da kommen einen die Filme über die "Raketenwürmer" in den Sinn ....
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@kevinrothrock Time to start a new movement: Knowledge Preppers
[#]hereBeDragons
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@micron @kevinrothrock already got two wikipedia dumps at home.
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https://kiwix.org/en/
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Rome has begun to burn.
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@kevinrothrock outside the U.S. (I’m in Spain), it still shows the Gulf of Mexico but has changed Mt Denali to Mt McKinley.
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@kevinrothrock yup. Final straw for me so I've disabled it and switched to #OSMand
See https://amastodon.uk/@Dave42W/113904393084835001
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@kevinrothrock yeah I think Google should hold off on this one. Might be changing that back in 3 yrs
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Google: Nice boots you got there. It would be a shame if they got licked.
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I dunno, seems like it would be worse for a corporation to be the arbiter of truth here. Don't get me wrong, this outcome is horrendous, but the policy of following the official names is reasonable. Be mad at the name change, not the map reflecting it.
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@spadgos @kevinrothrock well, now I'm gonna be mad at you for making a good point.
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Nothing to see, Google maps is capable to have different geographical understandings based upon where the user is located.
As different jurisdictions sometimes have the genius idea to legislate geography. Or especially borders and names.
Most notorious example would be Peking and how they insist Taiwan is represented as part of the PRC.
@Gargron
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@kevinrothrock kthxbye Google.
Anybody reading this got a recommendation for a good enough replacement App for Google Maps, based on #OpenStreetMap?
Edit: Based on replies #OrganicMaps (https://organicmaps.app/) and #OSMand (https://osmand.net/).
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@avuko Organic Maps is a pretty neat open source OSM maps app.
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@avuko @kevinrothrock Try Organic Maps or OsmAnd.
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@kevinrothrock every day, everyone should submit this as an error or as feedback.
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Wanted to check if #ChatGPT is in the hands of #Google 👇🏼
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@kevinrothrock Google, nor does the USA and #Trump have any power to change the name of the Gulf of Mexico on any map other than US domestic maps. The rest of the world will still know it, and it will be known on international maps as the Gulf of Mexico.
It's all another pointless exercise in pathetic American Exceptionalism (and Trump's penis measuring contest) that makes the USA a fucking joke.
[#]USPol #Trump
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@kevinrothrock In #Openstreetmap somebody will likely just add something like alt_name:en
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/305639190
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@giggls @kevinrothrock should be en-US (keep it as localized as possible).
Or even more preferably en-RACISTDICKWAD
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@tk @kevinrothrock Likely not. Names in #Openstreetmap refer to a language not a country thus alt_name:en is my best guess:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:alt_name
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@giggls @tk @kevinrothrock There has been a whole discussion on the matter here https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/gulf-of-america-gulf-of-mexico/124571/9 , and alt_name:en-US is a discussed possibility
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@lsdog @tk @kevinrothrock Which is currently used 3 times worldwide only...
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Well there arent many cases where the name in english is specific to the US
It just feels very appropriate in this case, but I get your point
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@lsdog @tk @kevinrothrock Name differences usually correlate with languages not countries. E.g. english speakers usually use the name Lake Constance for the lake called Bodensee. It is relatively rare that different countries speaking the same language use different names for the names of geographical objects and this is what alt_name is for.
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@kevinrothrock did the onion buy the verge
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Aaah, the last incentive I needed to switch away from it. Was already planned.
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@kevinrothrock Likely only for the US, if the USGS (the government body that keeps track of the official names of geographical features) changes the name to "Gulf of America" that's simply just the official name in America. And there's no reason to show anything else regardless of how stupid the policy may be.
Same will go for the official US name in OpenStreetMap (OSM), although I'm not sure whether it will render as "Gulf of America" on most OSM renderers.
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@kevinrothrock the rest of the world doesn't give a shit and still calls it the Gulf of Mexico. The world is bigger than the USA. (and more people for that matter).
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@kevinrothrock And when Trump demands Greenland gets renamed to Trumpland, Google will meekly acquiesce once again.
The man's an unhinged narcissist, but he wouldn't be able to do much harm if he wasn't surrounded by powerful sycophants and enablers.
The rest of the world should be taking a much firmer stand against the current US regime. And there should be more pushback from within the US establishment.
Sadly, when you don't stand up to bullies, they only get more extreme.
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@kevinrothrock remember when Trump said, "if they win this election, there will no longer be Pennsylvania, they're gonna change the name of Pennsylvania!"
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@kevinrothrock It's a shame they've taken the "we're just a proxy for the idiots in charge" stance.
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@kevinrothrock Denali isn't surprising but the Gulf is just asinine. My money is on this being some kind of quid for a pro quo that is somehow tied to AI.
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@kevinrothrock Don’t forget to drop a review when deleting these apps.
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@kevinrothrock There is no end to the dipshitery. Embarrassing as hell.
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@kevinrothrock Weirdly, when I first typed Denali in Google Maps this AM auto-complete only showed McKinley in the results. When I came back to it 5 minutes later to get a screenshot, it was only returning "Denali" results on the search for Denali.
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@kevinrothrock Bye Google! 👋🏻
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@kevinrothrock it’s the price of doing business in a facist state
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I tried Organic Maps yesterday.
It might ... take some getting used to.
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@kevinrothrock I don't know if this has been mentioned, but it's the US government renaming the Gulf of Mexico and Mt. Denali, not Google. I assume other map providers using the GNIS will follow shortly. The outrage should be directed at the US gov.
IMHO there are enough other reasons to be outraged about Google, Meta, Apple and Microsoft than them getting information from government data providers.
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@kevinrothrock can someone create a plug-in to change them back?
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@kevinrothrock Remember, FAANG is not your friend.
They had seats in FRONT of the cabinet at Jan 20. They will play their role.
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