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Written by Shriram Krishnamurthi on 2025-01-26 at 20:24

Pinker said this of Chomsky, and it perfectly sums up CS Ed (w/ Papert):

Linguistics is an eccentric field…because it was so polarized by a charismatic figure and his opponents that it didn’t proceed in the ordinary direction of making the theory more precise, more testable.

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Written by David Bremner on 2025-01-26 at 20:28

@shriramk I can't miss a chance to recommend the book "The Charisma Machine" which has a lot to say about the acolytes of Papert.

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Written by G. Wozniak on 2025-01-26 at 20:30

@bremner @shriramk Such a good book. I frequently get nasty remarks when I point it out to those who still insist something like the OLPC initiative was a good idea, despite all evidence to the contrary.

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Written by Irene Zhang on 2025-01-26 at 20:32

@gwozniak @bremner @shriramk one of our friends suggested that the OAPC (One Anteater Per Child) initiative would be equally effective.

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Written by David Bremner on 2025-01-26 at 20:36

@irene

Great, now I have FOMA, fear of missing anteater.

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Written by Dan Wallach on 2025-01-26 at 20:38

@irene @gwozniak @bremner @shriramk You want One Anteater Per Child, but it looks like we're getting One AI Per Child. I suspect they'd gain more from the anteaters.

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Written by Shriram Krishnamurthi on 2025-01-26 at 23:39

@irene @gwozniak @bremner

This is too damn brilliant.

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Written by Shriram Krishnamurthi on 2025-01-26 at 23:38

@gwozniak @bremner

I've been recommending the book to everyone I can. Morgan Ames's work is one of my "holy trinity" along with Justin Reich's "Failure to Disrupt" and Audrey Watters's writings.

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Written by Shriram Krishnamurthi on 2025-01-26 at 23:41

@bremner TBH, even better is Morgan Ames's "Hackers, Computers, and Cooperation: A Critical History of Logo and Constructionist Learning":

https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3274287

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Written by Prabhakar Ragde on 2025-01-26 at 20:59

@shriramk Of course, Pinker himself is a charismatic, polarizing figure. And there are people who would level that charge at both you and I.

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Written by Shriram Krishnamurthi on 2025-01-26 at 23:43

@plragde The word "so" is critical. There's a claim of degree and consequence that don't apply to either of us.

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Written by Sean Murthy on 2025-01-27 at 05:41

@shriramk Times I wish Dijkstra was as influential in CS Ed as Chomsky in linguistics.

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Written by Shriram Krishnamurthi on 2025-01-27 at 12:44

@smurthys Meh, sort of. I think Dijkstra overrated his views on CS Ed also. I'm not sure replacing one cultish slavery with another would have done much good. (The problem is of course less often with the saints as much as with their acolytes. But Dijkstra's stringency was better taken in from a distance than made a central dogma.)

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Written by Apostolis on 2025-01-27 at 08:51

@shriramk

This reminds me of the ideological motivations of stellar ,and probably other payment systems, for serving the unbanked. In other words, that having a connection to a bank or a payment system will allow the financial development of the global south and reduce global poverty.

https://stellar.org/blog/thought-leadership/bridging-the-financial-services-gap-for-the-unbanked-how-stellar-ramps-make-finance-more-inclusive

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Written by Apostolis on 2025-01-27 at 08:59

@shriramk I wonder if there are any fundamental problems with creationism because I am one of them.

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