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Written by Joe Groff on 2025-01-24 at 20:51

TIL there is at least one french programming language with french keywords https://www.afs.enea.it/software/caste3m/index6c94.html?page=exemples&exemple=1ddl

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Written by Joe Groff on 2025-01-25 at 01:44

the dream of AppleScript dialects is alive in France https://pcsoft.fr/wlangage.htm

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Written by Marc B. Reynolds on 2025-01-24 at 20:59

@joe It's funny that some of the docs are in franglais:

https://www.afs.enea.it/software/caste3m/index8e85.html?page=notices&notice=WEIBULL

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Written by Owen Nelson on 2025-01-24 at 20:59

@joe incroyable !!

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Written by Steve Troughton-Smith on 2025-01-24 at 21:02

@joe very FINSI indeed

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Written by Chris Vest on 2025-01-24 at 21:07

@joe this appears to be a whole genre of programming languages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_languages

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Written by Joe Groff on 2025-01-24 at 21:12

@chrisvest sacre bleu

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Written by Joe Groff on 2025-01-24 at 21:14

@chrisvest funny enough this particular language (Gibiane) isn't listed

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Written by Thomas N :yikes: on 2025-01-25 at 01:09

@joe @chrisvest @jnadeau “Rouille based on Rust” 😭

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Written by Joe Groff on 2025-01-25 at 01:27

@tomn94 @chrisvest @jnadeau isn't that the name of the rat chef

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Written by Helge Heß on 2025-01-25 at 01:40

@joe @tomn94 @chrisvest @jnadeau No, that’s Remy, which seems like a good name for a language, actually.

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Written by Pierre H. on 2025-01-24 at 21:09

@joe ptiloup!!

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Written by Helge Heß on 2025-01-24 at 21:17

@joe May I introduce you to Schwalbe, by @kilian: https://github.com/schwalbe-sprach/schwalbe

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Written by Paul Khuong on 2025-01-24 at 21:32

@joe Can't be worse than localised vbscript :/

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Written by Laurent FRANCOISE on 2025-01-24 at 22:18

@joe there is also Windev, a proprietary language that you can program with keywords in french or english https://pcsoft.fr/wlangage.htm

I find this horrible (and I'm french 😆 )

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Written by Tony Finch on 2025-01-25 at 01:29

@joe ah, if only english booleans were the same length, things would line up more eadily

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Written by Uli Kusterer (Not a kitteh) on 2025-01-25 at 01:48

@joe Oddly, HyperCard had provisions for that, too, but I’m not sure any translators ever shipped: https://hypercard.org/Pantechnicon/HyperCard/Features/Translator.txt

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Written by YOCKOW on 2025-01-25 at 03:04

@joe

I remember AppleScript on 漢字Talk:

もし「持ち物」が0ならば
    “持ち物がありません”をボタンリスト：｛“OK”｝、デフォルトボタン：“OK”で表示する
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Written by Joe Groff on 2025-01-25 at 03:49

@YOCKOW oh interesting, I didn’t know that any dialects besides the English one actually shipped

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Written by Miguel Arroz on 2025-01-25 at 08:00

@joe @YOCKOW I could swear back in the day the French dialect shipped but a few years ago I dedicated some time to search for it and didn’t find any proof it actually happened. But it was pretty cool, AFAIK the only language actually used in the wild to support this.

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Written by YOCKOW on 2025-01-25 at 08:19

@arroz @joe

Yeah, come to think of it, one of the intriguing things was that three-letter keyword "try" was translated into long Japanese "エラーにそなえて".

I think someone literally tried to make it a natural language.

https://www.drycarbon.com/applescript/manuals/handlers/handler_etc.html#try

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Written by Uli Kusterer (Not a kitteh) on 2025-01-25 at 09:02

@YOCKOW @arroz @joe This reminds me of localizing software that just made every UI element long enough for the longest of all translations. It really surprised me that “Cancel” in Japanese was even longer than German “Abbrechen”.

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Written by Uli Kusterer (Not a kitteh) on 2025-01-25 at 09:00

@arroz @joe @YOCKOW Yeah, I have a vague memory of AppleScript dialects for French and Japanese being available, at least on a developer CD, if not to the general public.

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Written by Jean-Michel Durand on 2025-01-25 at 18:57

@uliwitness @arroz @joe @YOCKOW I can confirm this was indeed the case. On my 7100 running 7.5.5 in French, opening an AppleScript would have it displayed in French also. A very nice touch, but a bit of a problem when the documentation and examples in magazines were in English.

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Written by Uli Kusterer (Not a kitteh) on 2025-01-26 at 00:01

@arroz @joe @YOCKOW So going by the message from @onegeekarmy below, I think you might find it in one of the French System 7.x releases.

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Written by Jean-Michel Durand on 2025-01-26 at 11:16

@uliwitness @arroz @joe @YOCKOW

I just remembered that I have in my Vault of Antiquities™ a boxed HyperCard in French (MO556 F/A) that I got in a pile of stuff someone discarded last year.

The documents inside are all in French, including the language guide.

I don't have the heart to remove the shrink wrap but, considering I can't find any of this in digital form, I may have to, for the greater good.

Interesting point: it requires System 3.2 and up, and so predates System 7 by quite a bit.

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Written by Jean-Michel Durand on 2025-01-26 at 11:25

@uliwitness @arroz @joe @YOCKOW

While this is HyperCard and not AppleScript, Apple made a strong effort to enable non-English speakers to develop in their native languages, from the very beginning.

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Written by Uli Kusterer (Not a kitteh) on 2025-01-26 at 15:39

@onegeekarmy @arroz @joe @YOCKOW FWIW, the German language guide still has all the actual HyperTalk keywords in English. Just the prose in between explaining everything is German.

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Written by Uli Kusterer (Not a kitteh) on 2025-01-26 at 15:42

@onegeekarmy @arroz @joe @YOCKOW You could probably squeeze out the floppy disks by hand. Or I can look later if I can find the French version somewhere on the web to see if it contains a TRAN resource for French HyperTalk.

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