All the fediverse has to do is stick around and keep developing. As every new shiny corporate app inevitably begins to enshittify itself into unusability, some percentage of folks will choose the decentralized alternative over whatever new toy the oligarchs are dangling in front of them.
We just have to be here to welcome them each time it happens. We don't require constant, massive growth to survive over time. We just need staying power and solidarity.
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(I don't actually WANT massive growth over a short time. Chasing that is the problem.)
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@thekitmalone In a race to the bottom, standing still becomes progress.
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Like the Brother printers. They were the so-so option 20 years ago. It just did no-frills printing. But all other printers went down the hole of printing as as service, to squeeze more money. Brother didn't do that and became the best just by being stagnant.
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Yep- All these companies racing to put AI into everything have also missed the lesson of the Brother printer. When everyone is racing to the bottom you can win by doing nothing.
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@kralcttam @ScottStarkey @thekitmalone
I remember shopping for a toaster and Ms. Killick said find one with the fewest features and least number of buttons.
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Yeah in a similar vein we just bought a Speed Queen washing machine.
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This is a really fun side convo considering how much effort I'm putting into finding sustainable alternatives to the stuff in my house and in my pocket. I love this!
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@thekitmalone @kralcttam @killick @ScottStarkey I worked in VARs during the transition 20 years ago and led charge in NYC Metro for HP (and Canon). Fwiw at the time it was lower total cost of ownership, more ecologically efficient & less destructive technology, and helped poor bastards struggling w 50 yr old copiers (e.g. my mom in her union job running the xerox room for a large Brooklyn high school) with their quality of life. Before "everything as a subscription" some made sense (Netflix)
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@thekitmalone @kralcttam @killick @ScottStarkey I was given a filter coffee machine as a wedding present. It had one button (the power switch). It did not have a clock, a timer, and of course no AI. After 16 years, the pot was dropped and cracked. I went hunting for a replacement. We kept using it another 6 years. I estimate it made around 8000 pots of coffee before the element gave out.
Best coffee appliance I've ever owned. RIP coffee mate.
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With many products like laser printers and clothes washers, the commercial/business class models are still the way they were made 20+ years ago. HP "business" laser printers for instance, don't have DRM, etc.. and commercial grade clothes washers are built to last with minimal if any microprocessors. They're more expensive but so were quality products 25 and 45 years ago. They also last forever.
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Yup - I hade like an HP Laserjet III for like twenty years before I had to leave it behind in a hurried move. I don't even think I ever had to clean the rollers tbh.
It can be a barrier for non-techies though - you've gotta know where to find surplus, have confidence that you can deal with whatever hurdles you might face in setting it up.
I do think wider community activism to educate and offer help in re-using old tech is still so seriously needed.
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@thekitmalone @Frances_Larina @ScottStarkey There's definitely a gap here. For example for washing machines, Consumer Reports only tests for reliability to five years. Most people would be disappointed if their washing machine only lasted five years.
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I had a LJ3 also, they were indestructible.
Even for techies, for too many tech products the drivers get left behind, rendering them useless. That happened to many early USB products. All it takes is the OS changing how they handle something and boom, a generation of hardware is dead. And it was often very nice hardware.
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I have an old Brother laser printer from circa 2009. You can turn off all the alerts and tell it to keep printing using the toner until it runs out.
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@ScottStarkey @kralcttam @thekitmalone there's a lesson in being good at something and just keeping on doing it.
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@thekitmalone I keep trying to articulate this and you did a much better job, thank you.
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@thekitmalone completely agree, we've already outlived most centralized networks!
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@thekitmalone fedi needs the changes that marginalized people have been asking for for the better part of a decade to make this place worth coming to.
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@squeakypancakes I agree with that.
The difference is that I don't think any commercial platform will ever get there.
And I think the Fediverse - or some version of federated public internet spaces - can. I think that those of us who are on the platform who have the ability to organize have a personal responsibility to make that happen.
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@thekitmalone can but prolly wont without a hard fork of major projects to implement them.
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@squeakypancakes Ok.
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@thekitmalone Not having to grow is actually our best advantage against them.
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Preach! 🤚
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@thekitmalone Being welcoming seems to be a key factor.
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@thekitmalone
Also: "Never-ending growth" is an absurd and self-destructive idea. Hypercapitalism has brainwashed us all into treating it as a normal and sane thing, but it's not; growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of a cancer cell.
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After about 40 years, I finally replaced the Oster blender. Now I have a "parts" blender.
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@mizblueprint Wowwww!
I have a Kitchenaid that I bought at a thrift store for $50 that I have replaced parts (on warranty!) for so many times that it's basically a Theseus's Stand Mixer.
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@thekitmalone Couldn’t agree more! 🔥
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@thekitmalone On commercial social media we are not the customer we are the product. Threads has started with ads, Bluesky will as well.
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@thekitmalone I hope so.
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