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Written by Phil Stevens :tinoflag: on 2025-01-22 at 03:04

Will someone explain to me as if I'm a curious 10-year-old how getting overseas hedge funds to build toll roads here makes us more wealthy?

I must be really thick or something. #nzpol

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Written by sonnius on 2025-01-22 at 03:07

@phil_stevens See, when the governments mates get a good contract some of the money flows back to these politicians, maybe a nice board position or some info on which stocks to buy..

After that the politicians are richer and when you then calculate the average wealth per New Zealander it's actually gone up as they are richer, simple really.

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Written by Bob LeFridge :tinoflag: on 2025-01-22 at 03:30

Well, when a mummy hedge fund and a daddy hedge fund love each other very much... oh, wait. That's a different story -- the one about how hedge funds fuck us all over.

@sonnius @phil_stevens

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Written by 64 Islands Aroha Cooperative on 2025-01-22 at 21:00

@sonnius @phil_stevens so kinda the same way that kiwis moving to oz increase the average IQ… 🙄

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Written by ClareBear :tinoflag: on 2025-01-22 at 03:16

@phil_stevens

I'd love to come up with something witty but...there's nothing

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Written by Jay (they/them) on 2025-01-22 at 03:46

@phil_stevens I suspect 'us' may be the wrong word for who gets wealthier...

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Written by quixote on 2025-01-22 at 04:01

@phil_stevens I think maybe what's impeding your understanding is the assumption that they're trying to make us wealthier.

They're trying to make themselves wealthier.

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Written by Jeremy Buffer Jones :tinoflag: on 2025-01-22 at 05:21

@phil_stevens

[#]Luxon demonstrating how #NZPol hedge fund insider trading works...

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Written by Simon Green on 2025-01-22 at 20:40

@jeremy_pm @phil_stevens Well, you, see, under the stupid dumb plan of "New Zealand government pays for a road" we get a road, and all the money stays in New Zealand except possibly some interest payments. In the Luxon awesome smart plan of "Overseas hedge fund pays for a toll road" the construction costs, interest payments, and 25 years worth of tolls go to the overseas hedge fund.

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Written by Simon Green on 2025-01-22 at 20:41

@jeremy_pm @phil_stevens If you can't understand why "all the money goes overseas" makes NZ richer than "all the money stays in NZ" then I'm afraid nobody can help you.

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Written by Dan on 2025-01-22 at 20:51

@Salty @jeremy_pm @phil_stevens what you're missing is the kickbacks which make Luxon more wealthy

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Written by Jeremy Buffer Jones :tinoflag: on 2025-01-22 at 20:59

@dan @Salty @phil_stevens

First mistake is believing this #AtlasNetwork backed #Luxon led #NZPol government is acting in the interests of New Zealanders.

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Written by Phil Stevens :tinoflag: on 2025-01-22 at 21:33

@dan @Salty @jeremy_pm Wait, what? You mean that new motorways make land values on the periurban fringe go up? And this unearned capital gain could be captured by a lucky few?

Mind. Blown.

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Written by Dan on 2025-01-22 at 21:53

@phil_stevens @Salty @jeremy_pm god forbid we tax those unearned profits to balance the books, though. The poor starving landowner class need that money

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Written by Philip on 2025-01-22 at 22:11

@Salty @jeremy_pm @phil_stevens Show me a road in this country that can survive 25 years…

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Written by Phil Stevens :tinoflag: on 2025-01-22 at 22:48

@mez @Salty @jeremy_pm All the ones National built were falling to bits before they even opened.

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Written by Jeremy Buffer Jones :tinoflag: on 2025-01-22 at 23:12

@phil_stevens @mez @Salty

Private investors are only interested in maximising profits. This can be achieved simply by minimising initial material costs and project quality.

By doing so investors are guaranteed additional funding for project will be required in the near future.

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Written by Batichi on 2025-01-22 at 05:24

@phil_stevens as Canadian living with this - you don't! It just generates revenue for their friends, you pay for the whole thing with your taxes, and it makes them pretend they're doing something.

Especially since those contracts are usually written to end in the next 100 yrs or so!

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Written by Urzl on 2025-01-22 at 20:54

@phil_stevens It makes it so the government permanently has to pay "Mother, May I?" for all future planning and infrastructure.

Texas tried and failed so now they're spending billions to buy back their own highways. I thought that would discourage others from doing the same but clearly I'm wrong.

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Written by Bill Bennett on 2025-01-23 at 00:26

@phil_stevens It depends on what one means by words like “we” and “us”. In this case it doesn’t mean plebs like you and I.

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