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Written by Jonathan Irons on 2025-01-21 at 17:17

I don't know who wants to hear this.

I installed #Linux #Mint on my Windows machine yesterday.

It was one of the most painful things I have ever endured using a PC ever.

For about 2 hours, I could neither boot my computer in Linux or Windows.

I cannot overestimate how naive some people are who write "just install Linux" and think everything will be fine.

Now I've spent ~60 minutes trying to connect a network drive. It's so so so painful.

Thinking of buying a Mac Mini.

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Written by 🔗 David Sommerseth on 2025-01-21 at 17:25

@jonathanirons

It would have been interesting to sit side-by-side with you through these struggles - to document them.

Why? To learn from it so that Linux can be made so simple to install that others won't stumble into this.

Yes, Linux can be hard. But fun fact - Windows 11 is quite hard for me to grasp these days. I so often feel blinded with only one hand available.

I ditched Windows for Linux ~25 years ago; yes that was a real learning curve back then. And that's why I can't sit here and come with "wise advises" of where and how you did the wrong thing. I'm blind-folded into understanding new-comers.

That's why it would help seeing what you were struggling with, so those of us knowing Linux well can help improving the installation and user experience for those new to this.

[#]foss #oss #opensource #linux #ux #bad_ux

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Written by Patrick W on 2025-01-21 at 17:49

@dazo @jonathanirons This is sort of related, but when installing Linux nowadays (as a blind user trying Debian) I tend to get to the point where I can get to an installer, turn on Orca... Then the audio begins to crackle and absolutely nothing is understandable. At that point, I couldn't do much so I'm still here on Windows. I think it has something to do with whatever audio system it uses by default, but I don't know enough about Linux from the perspective of the desktop environment to debug this. One of my friends tried to install it, only to figure out that once getting passed that problem, waking a laptop up from sleep would result in complete loss of audio because I think the audio service was trying to run as root and they couldn't hear it -- the only way to get around that would be to do a complete reboot or something. I really wish it were different.

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Written by 🔗 David Sommerseth on 2025-01-21 at 18:24

@BrailleScreen @jonathanirons

This certainly is related to user experience as well. I know there are people trying to make all the various accessibility features working well in Linux. Unfortunately, they are also too few.

I'm not a Debian user, so I'm colored by that. But I honestly thought Debian was in front in this area.

IIRC, Red Hat hired a blind software engineer a couple of years ago to improve the the accessibility features in the GNOME desktop. Since Red Hat is the driving force behind Fedora - maybe that distro could work better for you? Or alternatively CentOS Stream or Alma Linux - which are more stable, but also moves slower forward and major improvements typically arrives every 3-4 year or so. Fedora has major upgrades 2 twice a year.

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Written by Prairie_Dog on 2025-01-21 at 17:26

@jonathanirons @FreakyFwoof The new M4 Mac mini is an amazing machine! I just upgraded to one and I’m really happy with it.

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