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Written by nixCraft 🐧 on 2025-01-18 at 09:47

can we please stop confusing everyone? #linux

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Written by Chris Hessert on 2025-01-18 at 09:49

@nixCraft

You just need to know which works on your system. I was a bit shocked to learn a couple years ago that Alpine linux's "reboot" and "poweroff" worked just fine on Debian.

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Written by llewelly on 2025-01-18 at 11:09

@chessert @nixCraft

I think sysV had halt, poweroff, and reboot, and most linux distros picked them up while adopting sysV traditions in the 1990s. When the sysV init stuff got replaced by systemd (in most distros) , systemd came with commands of the same names, meant to provide almost enough backwards compatibility.

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Written by martinbolte on 2025-01-18 at 09:50

@nixCraft

Well it's a technical language. You'll have to read the manual. For all who are not keen on that, there is the GUI

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Written by Marcos Dione on 2025-01-18 at 09:54

@nixCraft yes! Let's create adduseradd and deluserdel that randomly selects one semantic or the other! :-P

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Written by DBosiers on 2025-01-18 at 11:48

@mdione @nixCraft lets make that welcome and begone who use uname and others to find out which command to use.

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Written by Freevolt on 2025-01-18 at 09:57

@nixCraft I can hear some developer's angry voice "userdel is userdel. What's not clear??!" and violently refuting the claim.

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Written by stib on 2025-01-18 at 10:01

@nixCraft Sure, just use usionconf instead of confusion. Check with your distro to see if it's available.

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Written by nobbi on 2025-01-18 at 10:04

@nixCraft desilluseduseradd or adddesilluseduseradd??

Hard to tell!

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Written by cuonOne on 2025-01-18 at 10:07

@nixCraft

Depends on your system. Here on Gentoo I have no adduser, only useradd. Perhaps I remember false, but I think, that I read some 10 years ago, that adduser is an additional Debian command. Sorry, I'm not sure.

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Written by F4GRX Sébastien on 2025-01-18 at 10:19

@nixCraft groupadd addgrp

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Written by Desdinova on 2025-01-18 at 10:26

@nixCraft It's what happens when you have legacy cruft and technical debt going back to the late-1960s. You think Windows invented backwards compatibility?

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Written by Mark on 2025-01-18 at 10:31

@nixCraft 👍

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Written by Thomas Zahner on 2025-01-18 at 11:07

@nixCraft Nix for the win! Since switching I don't care about those programs anymore as I have written out everything declaratively in the config

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Written by Dino Tutter on 2025-01-18 at 11:13

@nixCraft is this a systemd thing?

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Written by gi124 on 2025-01-18 at 13:39

@nixCraft useradd was originally a Debian front end to adduser, which might not be shipped with other distributions

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Written by WesMason on 2025-01-18 at 14:01

@nixCraft dammit, I had it in my muscle memory, now I'm questioning which variant I've been using.

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Written by Jaap van Vliet 🇳🇱🇪🇺 🌎🇺🇦 on 2025-01-18 at 14:40

@nixCraft I stick to SunOS : useradd and userdel

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Written by Leefeller Guy on 2025-01-18 at 15:08

@nixCraft I would like to change my PC to Linux, but there is what you describe.

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Written by Paul Wouters on 2025-01-18 at 15:51

@nixCraft I propose the addition of “adduseradd” and “deluserdel”

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Written by tom jennings on 2025-01-18 at 19:48

@nixCraft

Given that I'm already always confused, I thought adding more confusion might help straighten things out. Somehow.

Let's write a userdelete script that figures out which one to use.

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Written by Gordio on 2025-01-19 at 01:40

@nixCraft ha, let’s call it userctl 🙃

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