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Written by JNL on 2025-01-16 at 17:10

I normally don't wade in on vaccine stuff because I am both HUGELY pro-vax and ALSO hugely discouraged and deeply annoyed by how flat and stupid the left insists on making the discourse. With that as caveat

YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY GET THE FLU IF YOU HAVE HAD THE FLU VAX. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS DO. IT IS NOT PREVENTATIVE. IT IS AMELIORATIVE. And even then it depends on vax-to-strain match.

Thank you.

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Written by JNL on 2025-01-16 at 17:17

I will just go ahead and say the thing: vaccine injuries do exist. People get injured by vaccines every year, in significant numbers. We used to know and understand this, AND EVEN WITH KNOWING AND UNDERSTANDING THIS, we also used to have a much more static consensus that vaccines = good. The idiocy on the right seems to have demanded idiocy on the left in equal measure to stay balanced and now we all seem committed to no one understanding anything.

Statistically certainly, some people will become ill, be injured, and usually a few will even die due to any large-scale vax campaign. YOU ARE CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THIS, I SWEAR TO GOD.

IT'S JUST THAT EVEN. MORE. PEOPLE. will die, be sickened, and be injured WITHOUT VACCINES. By a HUGE FACTOR.

We choose the greater good. We compensate those harmed (this is why VAERS exists, y'all and now not even doctors understand it).

This is the covenant of living in liberal society.

Which we now don't.

So instead we have idiocy all around.

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Written by Taylor Smith on 2025-01-16 at 22:37

@jnl First, I am very sorry to hear that your family has had to deal with this. I, for one, appreciate that this didn't convince you that, therefore vaccines = evil. Still, it’s unfortunate that the negative side of “some will have to suffer but fewer than the alternative” effect of mass vaccination has hit you personally, and I have nothing but sympathy for you and yours in this.

I used to think it was just those ignorant yokels on “the right” that insisted on everything being simple and binary. Recently, I have realized that “the left” is just as bad if not worse at this. For the last few years, I have been kind of crawling my way out of the lefty cult-ish-ness where I found myself. I look back on some of the things I thought (and maybe even said) in the moment and am a bit embarrassed.

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