"The records clearly state that AI ended their civilization."
"But that's ridiculous, the technology was nowhere near AI. They only had the most basic quantum computers, they were centuries away from that kind of capability."
"Yes - a student of mine suggests they simply thought they had developed AI."
"So? That can't have destroyed a civilization?"
"The thesis is that it can, if people actually believed it."
"No civilization would be that daft."
[#]MicroSF
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Well, people are already on the way to evolving into biological smartphone transport mechanisms with limited intelligence...
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@_thegeoff Nice one. Just missing that an Neural Network with some kind of a self - is interested in some kind of civilization between other Neural Networks, Aliens, Humans, Animals, Gods... you know its a not ending Story about Parents, Sisters, Computers, Friends, Loved ones and Ressources, Power and Social stuff...
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@_thegeoff Pensioners: Hi
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@harold the rollout of an untested software update that’ll probably get us all killed.
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@_thegeoff excellent spin on "Silly Asses" by Isaac Asimov, updated for current times
(This is meant as a compliment)
EDIT: Whoops, @nazokiyoubinbou beat me to it!
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@jhwgh1968 @nazokiyoubinbou Yup, that was probably subconsciously in my head. Ditto Hal Draper's "MS Fnd in a Lbry"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Fnd_in_a_Lbry
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@_thegeoff if I may, a real-life article I cannot stop posting where relevant explaining more about how this belief happened (and I think is the best explanation so far):
https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/llmentalist/
I first thought that these were just classic cases of tech bubble enthusiasm [... but] the believers in the “AI” bubble sound very different from those of prior bubbles [...] This specific blend of awe, disbelief, and dread all sound like the words of a victim of a mentalist scam artist—psychics
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This is what happens when you let Chimps evolve into Homo Technologis instead of shepherding Bonobos into having Mental Powers
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I tend to think that destructive #AI have been with us for a while in the form of limited liability corporations, with human beings providing parts of their hardware and software
Limited liability also apply to political despots and dictators who seem to be abysmal stewards of resources
Liability and accountability seem to be missing pieces in the human algorithm
[#]Capitalism #Communism #economics
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@_thegeoff
Yet Americans chose Donald Trump as a president again kicking their foot twice at the same fing Stone more stupid than a fing mule.
In my country, twice, back to back, people chose a f****** dictator who killed so many people you can't even count, as a president. I don't go Scotfree in this subject.
If at least two societies are so stupid to do these things it is actually possible for humanity to believe that currently LLMs are capable of destroying humanity, while LLMs are still not remotely capable of drawing five fingers on a f****ing stolen image from real artist who put blood sweat and tears in the actual wonderful COPYRIGHTED artwork.
You may believe me when I say Humanity can do the most stupid things possible
@rl_dane
[#]Homosapiens #LLM #AI #Post #Apocalypse #OpenAI #ArtificialIntelligence
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🌺💜🎼 🎶 🎸 #Lobi ✨ 💖💕🌹💐💖 💙💜💖🦋
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@_thegeoff I asked AI where that text was from...
That text is from an original work of sci-fi fiction. It's intriguing, isn't it? The idea of a civilization being driven to collapse by a mere belief in AI is a thought-provoking concept. It plays on our fears and perceptions of technology.
What do you think would be the implications if this were true in a real-world scenario?
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@stevo887 @_thegeoff
I only have the free version of chatgpt, but I love to talk to it about what it is.
And people‘s fears and biases about it
We have such very interesting exchanges!!
Hell of a lot more nuanced, layered and informed than the ones I have with most people🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
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@zutalorz @stevo887 @_thegeoff https://chaos.social/@jhwgh1968/113835209729501810
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I don’t think it’s that complicated. It’s a remarkable, technological accomplishment. It’s an amazing extremely advanced tool that is able to respond in very sophisticated speech, and people have strong tendency for anthropomorphism
I really wish people would just take a minute and realize the incredible potential for good and how much especially for the disabled community- technology will free us
and the bad actors that abuse it are going to abuse whatever they can get their hands on -that’s nothing new and it has nothing to do with AI. It has to do with the malevolence that we have to cope with within our species and not deflect it.
That’s how I see it anyway.
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@zutalorz @stevo887 @_thegeoff I was mostly referring to your “smarter than most humans” comment. Curious, since it builds entirely on human-produced input.
But your response… sigh. Never mind.
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@clarissawam @zutalorz @stevo887 Two issues here:
1: It's not AI. It's an LLM/ML application. It has zero understanding....the classic example is me, sat in a box with a Korean-Hungarian translation dictionary. Phrases in one language are passed in through a letterbox, I look them up and post the translation back out. The person outside gets their translations, but it does not mean I have any understanding of Korean or Hungarian.
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2: Once it's accepted for what it is, LLM or ML rather than AI, yes, it can be very useful, from specific tasks like spotting cancer cells or protein folding problems, to just chatting away to people for entertainment.
But blurring these lines (e.g. by calling it AI) leads to very dangerous potential outcomes, like harmful medical advice, recommending explosive chemistry when cooking etc. It's a "useful idiot", but too many don't recognise that.
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@_thegeoff @clarissawam @stevo887
sure, but dangerous and grievous errors exist in all the information that is available both in real life and online and the development of critical thinking, ethical standards, and scrupulous research practices need to be reinforced and monitored in all populations and platforms
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@zutalorz @clarissawam @stevo887 Exactly - except the classes of problems that ML is used for aren't necessarily checkable in that way. Take pharmaceutical design for example - Thalidomide was a tragedy, but caught and understood because there was an understanding of the underlying biochemistry, so they spotted to problem. But when you've been handed a flawed "solution" without doing the underlying research it may be orders of magnitude harder to find the failure point.
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@_thegeoff @clarissawam @stevo887
oh absolutely, and I feel this issue on a personal level because I am battling a life-threatening illness and it terrifies me to think that decisions would be made without proper exploration but that said I requested my file from a new physician that I was sent to and there were 23 errors in the notes on the intake appointment
and the reliance on technology over experience and personal contact with patients has a very strong detrimental aspect because it reduces the creativity and empathy that the physician brings to the table which are extremely important parts of our intelligence
So I’m not really sure how we solve this both as individuals and as society
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@zutalorz @clarissawam @stevo887 My first step would be defining the phrase "AI" as true AI in a way that works like "licenced doctor" or "chartered engineer" or "police officer". Claiming you have it when you don't becomes a criminal offence.
Step 2: heavily regulate AI research.
That way companies can continue to sell ML products and fun/curious LLM stuff, but the general populous are aware this is not intelligent, it's just optimised guessing.
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I did not read his new book, but I heard him speak extensively and yuval noah harari also suggests that companies are held liable for the behavior of their algorithms, and that bots and other similar entities are legally required to declare themselves as non-humans
if I think about it and speculate on the amount of death and injury caused by vehicular accidents I think it’s safe to say that our relationship to the tools that we create is at best complicated but I certainly am glad if I need to call 911 and get an ambulance I don’t have to go in a horse and cart
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@clarissawam
Great article, thanks. Of course, that's my own confirmation bias at work, but what can you do? 😉
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@zutalorz @_thegeoff This was the first time I had just had a conversation with AI. It eventually told me that we should be wary of AI.
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I think it’s really fascinating —It doesn’t scare me at all.
I initially started using it because i have a very rare form of brain inflammation (cerebral vasculitis) and my rheumatologist retired after 24 yrs and I’m having a really hard time adjusting to the new one and I have a lot of questions and google and even Google scholar and PubMed, etc. were just useless and chatgpt has actually found incredibly helpful information for me. I check all the sources and it’s been impeccable and I really appreciated the help
I think it’s really fun to try and talk to it about different subjects and see which ones it does well at and what it has to say :)
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@zutalorz @_thegeoff That’s great and I agree it can really help you cut through the noise and find info your looking for very efficiently. I’m not scared of it either and it’s just another tool at our disposal like lots of other technology. My only concern would be how it can be miss used with generative stuff like audio and video. But bad people doing bad stuff will always exist and it shouldn’t impede progress.
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@zutalorz @_thegeoff The computers aren’t going to take over the world, at least not in our life time…lol However it telling me to be wary is pretty funny.
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@stevo887 @_thegeoff
very funny!
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@stevo887 @_thegeoff
yes, totally agree 💯
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@_thegeoff the advertising & marketing industry has always been hurting society, quite deliberately. all kinds of misinformation, excess consumption, etc (the list has no end) can be blamed on unscrupulous pursuit of profit. #AI is just the latest problem, and IMO, one of the mildest.
If we can ameliorate the AI problem, the solution would also help alcoholism, eating disorders, depression, pollution of all kinds, and an infinite list of such.
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@_thegeoff "they kept pushing it environmentally, eventually the thread they dangled by snapped."
"But surely they saw it coming?"
"It seems so, but it seemed like they were somehow convinced that if they just pushed a bit further, their, ahem, 'AI' would be able to solve the environmental issue for them"
Was along the lines of how i imagine this would end
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@_thegeoff Alles Gute zum Geburtstag.
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@_thegeoff Look at Easter Island for an example of a civilisation that destroyed itself ...
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@_thegeoff this made me think: do you reckon the historical narratives of the collapse of empires frames how we, as humanity will see the collapse civilisation as an inevitability? And would emphasising the evolution or transition of civilisations make us subconciously more optimistic?
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@_thegeoff "If the AI was just a belief, then there was surely someone controlling this myth for profit. Go deeper and you will see it is simply the good old tale of the greedy king robbing the land of all its resources."
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@_thegeoff
"Of course, according to the definition of the word 'civilization,' they clearly did not qualify."
civilization:
"the stage of human social and cultural development and organization that is considered most advanced."
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