hey, uh, so maybe don't use @protonprivacy
because apparently Elon Musk hand-picking funding bills doesn't count as corporate control :blobfoxdisapprove:
EDIT: In case anyone thinks that Proton has a point here, let's clear something up. Yes, the Democrats are bought and paid for by corporations. But it's also the Democrats who installed Lina Khan, pushed for Net Neutrality, and passed the Affordable Care Act. Yes, Biden forced the railroad workers to stop striking, but then the administration continued to lobby on behalf of the workers and got them the sick days they were fighting for. It's also Biden's DOJ that pushed for the breakup of Google, even if it was Trump's DOJ that started the probe. Do you really think Trump's DOJ would break up a monopoly like Biden's has attempted to? Also gestures vaguely at Lina Khan everything that woman did was incredible, from fighting monopolies, to bringing down the cost of medicine, to promoting the rights of workers. Meanwhile it's the Republicans and Trump who installed a Verizon executive to repeal Net Neutrality, stripped the FTC of its authority to govern labor, installed the Supreme Court who revoked the Chevron Deference, and is now letting Elon Musk pick and choose budget legislation.
Anyone who thinks the Democrats and Republicans are the same on this are so hilariously wrong, it'd be funny if it wasn't so sad. Nuance needs to make a comeback in 2025.
Also edited to tag the Proton I'm talking about here so people know I'm talking about the bad Proton and not the Linux compatibility layer. We love you Valve :blobfoxheartcute:
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Welp, looks like they deleted their pro-Trump replies. I'm curious if they're going to address it or try to sweep it under the rug. I'm also curious if this was due to the social media backlash or if there were enough people cancelling their subscriptions that it made them nervous.
I'm not sure if Proton's management is just unaware of how pro-corporate and anti-consumer/anti-labor Trump is (which, like, how?) or if they really are just that into fascism, but I still won't be recommending Proton's services to anyone unless they actively walk this rhetoric back.
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@Rusty They're not wrong about the Democrats, though...
But I don't think they're entirely right about the Republicans, either...
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@dragonarchitect That's kinda my point. The Republicans and Democrats are both corporate controlled, so it seems like Andy Yen and Proton see something in the Republicans that they like. I can only speculate what that might be, and it's not good. :blobfoxdisapprove:
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@Rusty @dragonarchitect Well I would drop them over that but I technically share a family plan with my BF and a few friends so it's hard to just up and move email providers. I used to host my own email server but having to manually beg every big email provider to unblock me was a complete waste of time because half of them ignored my requests
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@Rusty @dragonarchitect If they suck up to the Reps so much, it makes me wonder how much a fight they'd be willing to put up if a Rep government were to ask them for some of their customer's data.. for "national security" reasons only, of course.
They're definitely off my list for anything privacy related.
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@Rusty more generally, can companies just like, shut the fuck up about politics? It’s exhausting tracking who is a shitbag and who isn’t. Not saying I’d rather live in blissful ignorance like… but damn…
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@ret They can't really in 2025 because Trump is planning to wield the federal government to benefit his well behaved vassals and forsake anyone who speaks against him.
In typical dystopian late-stage capitalist fashion, they're all rushing to kiss the ring of their new leader all in the name of hoarding even more unnecessary wealth.
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@Rusty I don´t use proton. But that doesn't mean they're all wrong...
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@martinlentink Saying that the Republicans are somehow less corporate controlled than the Democrats is completely idiotic. Trump increased the US deficit by trillions of dollars to increase taxes on the poorest Americans while cutting taxes for the richest Americans. Trump has had Elon Musk literally dictating our budget and spending. Trump installed corporate leaders into the FTC, the FCC, and the FDA.
Like, yes, the Democrats are bought and paid for. But the Republicans literally hand over every position of power within the government to corporations.
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@Rusty that's kind of what I meant.
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@martinlentink Is it? Because I think what I said pretty plainly points out that they're all wrong.
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@Rusty wtf are they talking about, the Biden admin has overseen one of the best DOJs for antitrust since I was a kid.
This is pure fiction. Trump "pursued antitrust" in the sense that he got mad at tech companies whenever they were rude to him. And immediately flip-flopped as soon as they were nice. That's why they're donating shit to him, because they know he's manipulable and can make their problems go away.
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@foxyoreos Yeah, it's such a complete headass take that I can only assume Proton is very happy with literal fascism.
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@Rusty I understand (not really, but kinda) a normal non-tech critter not knowing about this stuff. If you're the CEO of Proton, a privacy focused app, and you don't know about the myriads of awful stuff that Republicans are doing in this space, and the myriads of good things Dems were doing in this space, then you're lying, I don't believe you could be CEO and not know that. It's lying to butter up to the current admin.
Completely untethered from reality take from him.
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@Rusty there are a lot of things that Biden got horribly wrong, I'm not a fan of Biden overall. Including tech things he got wrong (KOSA, TikTok, etc..)
Antitrust is not one of them, he was fkn great on antitrust.
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@foxyoreos Yeah :drgn_sigh: I'm really gonna miss Lina Khan.
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Ah yes because all the right wing billionaires who support right wing politicians are totally going to let their pets do anything to break up their companies.
I’m struggling to see how someone could say that with a straight face.
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Maybe it's because they're Swiss and used to colluding with Nazis and gaslighting everyone about it? Idk.
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@Rusty In as much as politicians make disingenuous statements for their own purposes, so do corporates in order to pursue their own interests. What the Proton account is saying here is written for an audience, and is written for a purpose. The audience and purpose can be guessed at for now, but the focus on Democrats in respect of an issue that is bi-partisan (corporate capture) is a red flag.
Whether or not the company is looking to endorse fascism is, in my view, open to question for now. Like many others have said, it would be so antithetical to the foundational philosophy of the company to do this, that I would be surprised if this is their explicit goal. Nonetheless it will be worth keeping an eye on in the short term, to observe the direction of travel.
For someone like me with limited knowledge, I have to rely on paying for a produce like Proton. I can't build and maintain my own server. If Proton abandons its core mission in pursuit of... whatever else it is they want, then I will be stuck for other choices in respect of an email provider.
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@XfoxAD I'd argue that their CEO openly endorsing a fascist then using the company's advertising arm to openly endorse that fascist is, well, the company endorsing fascism. The only service Proton offers that I don't think has a good alternative is their cloud backup solution, as there aren't a lot of encrypted options to choose from. If you want to keep using Proton because you don't see any good alternative, I'm not really going to fault you for that. Every tech company is basically kissing Trump's ring right now, and self-hosting is a big barrier to entry for a lot of people, so the options are definitely limited. But let's call a spade a spade here, Proton is openly endorsing a fascist and using the money users pay them to do so.
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@Rusty OK, I guess I was distinguishing between the company endorsing 'a fascist' and 'fascism'. I imagine you have seen more of these Tweets etc. than have been shared here too. What are the alternatives to Protonmail that I could consider outside of self-hosting?
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@XfoxAD I never put a ton of stock into encrypted email, but if you want an encrypted alternative I guess Tuta Mail is the one people have been mentioning?
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@Rusty Yip, thank you! I guess the other alternative is PGP and there is nobody who receives my emails who would use that. :P
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As someone who's looking for a VPN (for political/privacy reasons, don't give a shit about accessing region-restricted YouTube's) any recommendations?
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I'm not really sure what the best is. Someone else in the comments recommended Mullvad. I use NordVPN and it's... fine. I'm not much of an opsec doggo though. Also, with SCOTUS primed to block porn, you'll probably need to use it to get around region blocks.
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@Rusty sigh
So what should I use then? :blobfoxmelt:
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@odoben Which service are you using with them currently? :wolf_peek:
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@Rusty only Mail Plus
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@odoben I don't really care about e2e encrypted email since it only works with other Proton users anyway. I use Fastmail and it's... fine? :meowshrug: Its alias system and free hosting are kinda nice.
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@Rusty Well, it being encrypted at rest is still nice
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@odoben I never really understood the benefit. You're still trusting Proton not to scan them before they encrypt them, and having them encrypted adds a lot of overhead like not being able to use SMTP/POP3/IMAP endpoints without spinning up your own server locally to talk to their proprietary endpoints. I guess it's nice if hackers get into the service, but it never seemed much better than just deleting your emails from the server after they've been delivered to you and encrypting them locally. :meowshrug:
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@Rusty It was already a hassle to migrate from Gmail and I still haven't even completed it yet so I really don't want to have to look for another provider yet again
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@odoben I had a really easy time migrating off of Gmail, I think it took me like two hours. Granted I was already using a custom domain with Gmail so I didn't have to change any of my logins around, I just had to change some MX records and download/upload my emails. What made it tough for you? :wolf_peek:
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@odoben some people are recommending Tuta Mail I guess. :meowshrug: I dunno much about it though.
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@Rusty My guess? Sweep it under the rug. Corpos gonna Corpo.
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@Cerulean They might have a hard time doing that, apparently their mods are working overtime on Reddit to try and hide it.
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@Rusty @Cerulean So Proton is being pro-Trump?
dayum.
They were supposed to be the bastion of privacy and freedom.
😭
I guess they won't get my money in the future.
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@StaceyAyodele @Cerulean Yeah, very frustrating :<
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@Rusty Thanks for screenshotting these, they deleted the messages.
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@Radgryd Thankfully there's lots of screenshots floating around so I don't think they'll be able to sweep it under the rug. I just re-screenshotted to make sure there was alt text :blobfoxfloofhappy:
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@Rusty @protonprivacy Dang this sucks. On a related note do you have any recommendations for email providers besides Gmail? Google is also doing its best to suck up to Trump.
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@patches I use Fastmail and they're pretty decent, albeit somewhat expensive. If encryption is a big selling point to you, I saw a few people talking about Tuta Mail. :blobfoxfloofhappy:
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@Rusty i'll check Fastmail out, thank you!
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Fastmail is so good. I switched a couple years ago and have been nothing but pleased
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@Lildeer @patches Yeah I really really love the alias system. I have so many emails I can send and receive messages from, it's great. Plus the free included hosting is really nice if you wanna slap up a simple informational webpage really quick. It's actually what https://loaf.dog is hosted on. :blobyeengrin:
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@Rusty @Lildeer Oh does Fastmail include website hosting? That's really nice!
Also how complicated is it to buy a domain to set up one of those fully custom email addresses? I've always wanted to do it but I don't wanna spend a lot of time and energy figuring it out
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@patches @Lildeer I've been doing it for years so I might be a little biased, but I think it's pretty easy. You just have to find a domain registrar (I use Namecheap but I'm sure there are better ones that the nerds here will tell you about. Don't use GoDaddy.) then just buy the domain you want. From there, you can go to the Fastmail settings and add the domain, and when you do that Fastmail will link you a guide on how to point your new domain at it from whichever registrar you picked.
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@Rusty @Lildeer Thanks! also yo this is a really cool feature: https://www.fastmail.com/features/memos/ I didn't realize how much I needed it until this moment
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@patches @Lildeer oh heck I didn't even know that was there :blobfoxlaughsweat:
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@Rusty @protonprivacy Whelp, time to pull out the old #Tutanota account... :blobfoxannoyed:
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@floofykit Might be a good call :blobfoxmeltsob: Although watch Tutanota come out swinging for the AfD or something with how batnuts stupid 2025 has been so far.
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@Rusty @protonprivacy Wait... I've seen that post in the first screenshot before, I just didn't realise who it was from :blobcatgoogly:
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@odoben Yeah same :blobfoxmeltsob:
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@Rusty @protonprivacy The idea that Trump and Republicans are for workers just because bit corporations have influence with Democrats is a mistake. Democrats are influenced by big business, Republicans are just a bout completely bought by them. The best thing about this administration wasn't Biden himself, but the NLRB and FTC under him.
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@Zordrak His FCC would've been good too if the Republicans in Congress didn't block his nominations then the Trump-appointed judiciary didn't block the FCC from doing their job. :drgn_sigh:
Like seriously, I have no idea what the fuck @protonprivacy is talking about.
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@Rusty @protonprivacy My only hope is that not being an American company that they aren't as familiar with the state of our politics. In 2016 I thought Trump would have been better on some issues, only to be proven wrong in his first term. Granted, even in 2016 I said both candidates were pretty horrible. It's something I'll certainly be watching.
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@Zordrak @protonprivacy To put it bluntly, I don't care what country someone is in, if they don't know that Trump is a corporate-bought fascist then they're either lying or willfully ignorant. Endorsing Trump for being anti-corporate would be like me endorsing the AfD for making Germany an open and inclusive place, or tipping my hat to the Tories for bringing about greater British and European unity. While I could have told you in 2016 that Trump wouldn't stand by anything he said and would bring the country backwards, I do kind of understand the desire back then to have a political outsider with promises to rebuke the system. There is, however, absolutely no excuse in 2025.
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