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Written by Paul on 2025-01-13 at 21:04

There are lots of things that need to be funded by government but I think they are right in saying improving the NBN in areas that need it is an investment that will pay dividends

It's just a shame the original mantra of "do it once, do it with fibre" wasn't applied. Turnbull really dropped the ball on this one

Also agree it's increasingly concerning that people are relying on Starlink given how Musk has lost the plot

I wonder if the recent rash of spending in rural and regional areas is a lesson learnt from the Queensland election where Labor was crucified outside Brisbane?

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Written by David de Groot on 2025-01-13 at 21:08

@HardBeingGreen What I find disappointing about the NBN funding announcement is that it seemed to be about overbuilding the FTTN component, not providing fibre to Fixed Wireless and SkyMuster areas. :(

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Written by Paul on 2025-01-13 at 21:26

@david I think it's probably about bang for buck and priorities. Sadly those areas are further down the list

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Written by David de Groot on 2025-01-13 at 22:32

@HardBeingGreen picking the low hanging fruit isn’t “finishing the NBN” though (not that any infrastructure project is actually finished).

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Written by Paul on 2025-01-13 at 22:48

@david indeed, hopefully they get there one day

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Written by Drop Bear on 2025-01-13 at 21:31

@david

What worries me is they're talking about "finishing the NBN". National infrastructure is never "finished".

It will eventually get to a point when we need to go back to where we started and replace what's reaching end-of-life, but there is no end to the works. The service life of optical fibre is 3 to 4 times that of copper, so we're still a long way from the end of the beginning.

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Written by Drop Bear on 2025-01-14 at 10:07

Evidently "finished" means they're finally phasing out FttN.

"...subsequent years showed FTTN was expensive to maintain and inadequate to support surging broadband demands — and that the Coalition had buried $7.4 billion in expenses amidst efforts to obscure cost blowouts that ultimately reached $58 billion."

https://ia.acs.org.au/article/2025/govt-pledges--3b-to--finish--nbn-with-more-fibre.html

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Written by Brett on 2025-01-14 at 10:11

@DropBear @david @HardBeingGreen

That "subsequent years showed " sentence really needed to end "... as anyone capable of plugging in a Cat5 cable predicted at the time."

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Written by David de Groot on 2025-01-14 at 10:16

@Brett @DropBear @HardBeingGreen precisely. World+Dog lampooned the LNP change in direction, and now we are all paying the price.

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Written by LovesTha🥧 on 2025-01-14 at 03:00

@david @HardBeingGreen replacing the stupid FTTN is a reasonable way to spend money. FTTN was always a mistake.

There probably are areas currently serviced by satellite that need to be upgraded to fibre, but some places should remain satellite unless the resident wants to pay for the fibre connection.

Part of living remote is meant to be being remote. ;)

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Written by David de Groot on 2025-01-14 at 03:44

@LovesTha @HardBeingGreen I live 25km from the state capitol, but because NBN Co thought it was not economical, we’re designated Satellite.

I got a quote for the conversion - $2M. Oddly enough, I didn’t take them up on that.

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Written by LovesTha🥧 on 2025-01-14 at 03:57

@david @HardBeingGreen I wish they'd do a bit more to help facilitate group upgrades, but it does put the costs in perspective.

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Written by LovesTha🥧 on 2025-01-14 at 04:05

@david @HardBeingGreen Also, the 25km ring around some state capitals includes some pretty non-suburban areas.

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Written by David de Groot on 2025-01-14 at 04:24

@LovesTha @HardBeingGreen there was never a requirement for nbn to be suburban though. It’s the National Broadband Network after all.

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Written by LovesTha🥧 on 2025-01-14 at 04:29

@david @HardBeingGreen Yes, and it is national. But there are plenty of properties without town water/sewage or power, them getting NBN fibre isn't always a good deal.

Yes, many places without town water/sewage or power had phone lines. That doesn't mean that fibre is a good idea in those areas.

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Written by David de Groot on 2025-01-14 at 04:51

@LovesTha @HardBeingGreen I can’t see why you’d suggest if there were phone lines that those couldn’t and shouldn’t be replaced with fibre. It’s counter intuitive. Yes, it’ll cost, but so did the original copper rollout.

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Written by Paul on 2025-01-14 at 04:54

@david @LovesTha

Ideal world everyone would be covered, next step down you would leave out remote areas. I don't consider 25km remote though but understand why it wouldn't be top of the list

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Written by LovesTha🥧 on 2025-01-14 at 05:10

@HardBeingGreen @david Distance from capital isn't really that relevant, although it limits the max distance fibre needs to be run. The important bit is how many people get served by the fibre down the street. If that $2M upgrade serves 1000 homes, it obviously should be done. If it serves 5 there is no reason to spend the money that way.

Browsing google maps, there are areas near some capitals that are much closer to the 5 homes than 1000.

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Written by David de Groot on 2025-01-14 at 05:33

@LovesTha @HardBeingGreen mine is approx 270 properties, with more in neighbouring areas.

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Written by LovesTha🥧 on 2025-01-14 at 09:09

@david @HardBeingGreen I'm hoping that was really close to the line where it would happen.

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Written by LovesTha🥧 on 2025-01-14 at 05:21

@david @HardBeingGreen I wonder what the history is of who paid for the phone connections to be installed.... (mostly curious, history only informs, it doesn't dictate what is right)

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