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Written by jessitron on 2025-01-13 at 15:00

Build for after the revolution. Build the social structure that will serve us then. Build it now, where we are, and make the systems we hate less relevant.

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Written by George Dinwiddie on 2025-01-13 at 15:44

@jessitron Yes! Build those social structures now, and they will BE the revolution.

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Written by Frank Quednau on 2025-01-13 at 18:02

@gdinwiddie @jessitron how do those structures look like and why would they look different to those that emerged time and again in the past, say, 3‘000 years?

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Written by George Dinwiddie on 2025-01-13 at 20:02

@flq

Don’t you think social structures have changed over that 3000 years. I think I’ve seen a lot of change in my lifetime, though some people are still trying to hold onto their old status quo.

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Written by Frank Quednau on 2025-01-13 at 20:23

@gdinwiddie I guess we‘d need to establish what we mean by social structures. I was thinking about structures that have emerged and have allowed us to align roughly around some common aims. Also I was thinking about the different forms of government that have emerged and declined multiple times. Here I'd say that some concepts are already quite old. I see a problem of scalability in that our evolutionary group size is maybe around 200 people, while we now regularly end up acting in far bigger groups. Here we always seem end up in a hierarchy. That was sort of my drift here. @jessitron

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Written by Aleksander on 2025-01-13 at 18:19

@jessitron I think this is what some call prefigurative politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefigurative_politics

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