Serious question: would you still love your favorite songs if they were just, like, a single verse repeated three times in a row?
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Apropos of this fun thread, I made some vibey electronic music with a touch o' vocals tonight.
First jam using the EWI with the new Erica Synths Steampipe, which is UNREAL. I can't wait to get things really dialed in, the combo is unbeatable.
Multi-track recording done on MY NEW LINUX SYSTEM BITCHES, 32 I/O, can you believe that shit???!!!
[#]Experimental #ElectronicMusic #LiveMusic @synths #LinuxAudio #Debian
https://youtu.be/6fSEmsbVs44?si=SUOBrH19G2IKAiOV
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@alisynthesis Serious answer: many of my favorite songs are exactly that.
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@alisynthesis Hell, some of my favorite songs are one line repeated over and over.
Trans
Europe
Express
Trans
Europe
Express
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@ben Kraftwerk is a really interesting example. I'm thinking about my next project, and thinking about whether I want to go to the trouble of creating full song arrangements, with different sections and such. It's SO MUCH EASIER when you're making mostly electronic music to stick in one place and be done. Which is precisely why Kraftwerk's music is structured how it is, I'm pretty sure.
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Songs or tunes?
(Many of my favourite songs could not become a verse irrespective of repetition. I can’t think offhand of any which would already fit that mould.)
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(That is, their lyrics couldn’t. Many of my favourite tunes can repeat as often as they like.)
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@electropict a great quality in a favorite tune! :)
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@electropict I'm thinking of things that traditionally fit the mold/mould of a "song" -- so, strophic, with at least multiple A sections (verses) and probably multiple B sections (choruses), and probably a C section (bridge).
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I’ve never thought about it, but I suspect that a good tune can repeat indefinitely and let you listen to all the subtle variations, but repeating the same words just becomes 1+n green bottles eventually. But a good singer could probably do a lot with interesting words, especially interspersed with instrumental rounds.
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@electropict lol "1+n green bottles," maybe I'll make some boring repetitive music and call it that
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n=1
while (n < nauseam)
{
sing n.' green bottles existing on a wall'
n++
or die
}
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@electropict lololol
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@alisynthesis I remember, in the days of Kazaa and Limewire, I downloaded a new Cardigans album and it was obviously a fake uploaded by the record company because each track was just a verse looped for 3 minutes and then a fadeout. Bit dull actually.
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@edinburgh_man haha, I can see how that would ABSOLUTELY not work for the Cardigans :D
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Lyriclly or musically? Musically, i think most techno i love would somewhat qualify. 😅 Lyrically, you made me curious to look up which songs i love that would qualify!
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@setto that's an open question! somewhere else in the thread I explain why I'm asking...in that context, it would be pretty easy to do as many different versions of the lyrics you wanted to...I'm mostly thinking about the music. So, the music is repetitive, at least in terms of basic harmony + rhythmic feel, but the lyrics could change. Hell, even the vocal melodies could change.
I'm kind of talking myself into this.
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go for it! Lazy is great as long as it is fun! Either way, if you get bored, you can always space out! 🛸💜
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@setto my thinking exactly!
So I guess if I write a song and it's got a cool chorus, bridge, and verse, I just wrote 3 songs!!
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777% legal in my book! Looking forward to listen!
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@setto my masto peeps are so affirming! <3
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@alisynthesis@io.waxandleather.com your description sent my thought to Silver Apples. You probably know them, but if not look them up. Very liberating!
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@setto ooh, good example! I do know them, but not super well. Any specific album rec?
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@alisynthesis@io.waxandleather.com not that deep into their catalogue... i need to change that in fact.... but osciliation and love fingers are two tracks that have marked me deeply.
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@setto um, it is 4:16pm here, I am done with work, and I'm about to listen to some silver apples tracks so as to get inspired to make some loopy-ass, chill music. sooooo, I guess it's that time.
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@alisynthesis@io.waxandleather.com awesome! 22:19 here and i'm setting sails to dream land. If you allow it, and depending on the program my synapses have set-up for me, i might tune in from there. 🛸💜
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@alisynthesis Sure! The verse is often the best part of a song. I'm failing to come up with examples, but I love bits of many tunes that I don't necessarily think stand up as a whole – and I do listen to them.
I also love listening to demos of songs with a bit of la-la-la in the lyrics and unfinished sections given a chance - it feeds the imagination... I definitely don't always need the whole thing.
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@alisynthesis Depends on the song: if it works, it works. I first thought you meant repeated lyrics, but reading the replies I see you mean the melody. I think. A ton of folk, blues and jazz does this; there's lots of examples in Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell. Conversely, there are some songs where it feels they just shoehorned that chorus in because There Must Be A Chorus and then did a different middle 8 bit because Those Are The Rules Bucko and.. if it doesn't need it, don't?
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@conniptions I'm thinking of a situation where you pretty much just have an A section. An A section can have lots of variation, but it only has one musical identity. To me that means one harmonic idea (probably repeated several times), melodies ideas that are all similar/related, and one rhythmic feel.
But yeah, I know what you mean about people shoehorning choruses in. I feel like 80s pop songs were like that. (Maybe not a coincidence, as they were making music almost the same way I am today.)
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@alisynthesis @conniptions @terjefjelde
I’m surprised nobody mentioned blues yet. Can a whole song get by on just an A section? A whole genre can support generations of musicians for more than a century with just •the same• A section for everyone, for every song. And I’m not knocking it—I can listen to that A section go around and around for hours in the hands of good blues players.
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@mcmullin @alisynthesis @terjefjelde I too am surprised :) At the blues jams I used to frequent, people would start getting grumpy if it was all 12 bars though - the repertoire is a good bit more diverse than that. Lots of AAAA structures though :)
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@conniptions @mcmullin @terjefjelde The blues: the mother sauce of pop music!
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@alisynthesis Well, since that describes half the drone doom music I listen to, yes.
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i've spent a lot of my life listening to electronic/dance music & hip hop instrumentals that are basically just an 8/16 bar loop and loving it
this one springs to mind for some reason as a favourite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9ovhOxO7w0
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@ordosmarkzero that's a cool groove
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@alisynthesis Thom Yorke’s Atoms for Peace has a lot of super repetitive stuff, musically and lyrically. Not having listened for a while, I’m thinking of it as more vibes than “songwriting”
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@bittersweetdb "vibes not songwriting" is exactly what I'm saying
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@alisynthesis definitely a place for that in my collection!
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@alisynthesis @synths way cool! Nice to hear. Love your vocals. I just got the steampipe too - then I got strep so haven't done any more than connect it up.
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@bbelton @synths thank you! And nooooo! At least you have it to look forward to. I'm here to tell you the steampipe is insanely badass. One of the most expressive synthesizers I've ever played, and for me, so intuitive. It's fun to play with a keyboard too. I didn't do it full justice on this video, but I was tired of programming shit and I just wanted to play some music 🙂
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@alisynthesis Hi! whoa, first I’d heard of the sylpho, I’d gone down deep with ewi research rabbit holes focusing on Roland and Akai offerings. But the product demo shows it has some crazy innovative features. Did you have a chance to try it out before investing?
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@knizer I did not, but I'm super happy that I bought one because the company is now going under and it's awesome. Happy to answer any questions if you have them!
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@alisynthesis oh crud yeah - bankruptcy as of November. what a pity!
I guess my biggest question would be whats it like in comparison to other ewi's you've tried (if any) and/or what was the Big Selling Point for this instrument for you.
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@knizer I'm not personally in love with the built-in sounds. They're usable, esp. with effects, but for me, they're not inspiring. But it is a GREAT controller -- super customizable and flexible, with loads of fun ways to effect the sound (tile, roll, compass, breath, and ribbon!). For me, the combo of the Steampipe, which was designed in part for wind controllers, and the Sylphyo controller is the ultimate killer combo for an EWI player.
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The only other EWI I've owned is a 70s AKAI + the analog rack synth it goes with. That thing is AWESOME, and a very different beast from the Steampipe/Sylphyo. For me, having those two setups means I'll probably never buy another wind synth.
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@knizer Oh, and the Sylphyo is flawlessly wireless with a tiny box it connects to with zero setup. That box has the MIDI in/out, and that's really all you need. Not sure if that's common in the other new wind controllers, but it is AMAZING to be wireless, and I've had zero problems with it.
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@alisynthesis the ones with lyrics/understandable lyrics? no.
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@tsrono me neither mostly
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@alisynthesis almost certainly not. I get bored very easily!
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@chrissie_c same here. Although I do listen to some music that works that way and I don't get bored, so I guess my real question for myself is what's the differentiator?
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@alisynthesis It's a good question! I saw Kraftwerk mentioned and I like them too (I saw them at the Royal Albert Hall a few years ago).
A lot of repetitive music I hear these days seems to lack 'style' (whatever that means, but Kraftwerk cerainly had it). Just having something interesting in a sequencer isn't enough I feel.
When I've done repetitious music myself I try to vary it either with a Rondo or other structure, or by building on it graudally.
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@chrissie_c yeah, I think you're right on point. For me, a lot of repetitive electronic music is really lacking in performative musicality. Which, granted, is hard in electronic music!
But creating form in some way other than clear harmonic boundaries is definitely crucial.
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