I think LLMs may wind up being remembered the same way we remember 19th century Spiritualism. A bunch of scientists and rich people bought into Spiritualism, too -- until they didn't.
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@annaleen Sounds reasonably plausible
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@annaleen maybe we should revisit orgone. Maybe we can get some funding from Andreessen Horowitz.
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@swelljoe all too real
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:D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhWArBhPWu0
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@swelljoe we're cloudbusting daddy
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@annaleen
seeing chatGPT et al as a bad seance and results as something akin to ouiji boards does seem pretty accurate. ;)
let's hope the lifespan is the same or less.
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@annaleen I am not sure if spiritualism became prevalent to the point of being inescapable back in the day, though, and interfering with everything you do anywhere. Fk LLMs
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@annaleen except that unfortunately 19th century Spiritualism remains big in certain parts of the world (Alain Kardec remains more popular today in Brazil than he ever was in France, I believe...)
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Yeah it morphed into ufology and woo and the Satanic Panic and now it's Q. I'm hoping LLMs won't worm their way into the culture nearly as much as Theosophy and Spiritualism did.
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@annaleen and is the intelligence in the room with us right now?
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@annaleen Reminded of Malcolm Harris's line in Palo Alto.
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@anand Great line
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@annaleen the more LLMs feed on LLM-generated material, the worse they will get. And they're feeding on that more and more, since there's more and more of it on the Internet. :(
I wish AI-generated content had to be labeled as such. I don't want computers to pass the Turing test.
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@annaleen but don't they already know it's bullshit now?
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@annaleen Perhaps we need another Harry Houdini - someone who used deception to entertain and delight rather than swindle people - to come along and expose their secrets. Houdini loathed the spiritualists and other fake miracle-mongers!
All indications so far are that LLMs have a Wizard of Oz aspect to them: impressive as they may appear at first, they're still fallible - sometimes dangerously so - and disappointment still awaits anyone who pulls back the curtain...
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@annaleen i keep seeing LLM
Stil not really any idea.what it is.
Thought it was one of the MLM things at first
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@annaleen I think you're right.
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Rich people are funding AI initiatives because they believe that the collapse being engineered by the fossil fuel industry is survivable.
Survivable for them, but only with ubiquitous surveillance & fascist rule
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnipresent-ai-cameras-will-ensure-good-behavior-says-larry-ellison/
https://theconversation.com/billionaires-are-building-bunkers-and-buying-islands-but-are-they-prepping-for-the-apocalypse-or-pioneering-a-new-feudalism-223987
https://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/local-news/2023-07-28/a-look-inside-life-on-an-island-owned-by-larry-ellison-the-fourth-richest-person-in-the-world
https://www.aol.com/mark-zuckerberg-denies-building-5k-173330895.html
https://fortune.com/2024/12/27/mark-zuckerberg-hawaii-underground-doomsday-bunker/
https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-peter-thiel-rejected-bunker-compound-survivalist-new-zealand-designs-2022-8
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/10/rupert-murdoch-buys-montana-cattle-ranch-koch-brothers
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/12/11/rupert-murdoch-just-bought-a-200-million-ranch-here-are-his-other-mega-properties/
https://qz.com/jeff-bezos-neighbor-billionaire-bunker-listing-brady-1851729348
https://fortune.com/2024/12/18/jeff-bezos-billion-dollar-tax-savings-billionaire-bunker-florida/
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2023/02/the-apocalyptic-delusions-of-the-silicon-valley-elite
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@annaleen spiritualism was way cooler
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or NFTs?
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@annaleen I wonder who will get the bad end of the stick and be labeled the Arthur Conan Doyle of LLMs
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@annaleen very nice talk yesterday at #38c3 about this sort of thing
https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-sacrificing-chickens-properly-why-magical-thinking-is-both-the-problem-and-the-solution
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@annaleen I think this whole period will be remembered with embarrassment how technological evolution stood still because rich people, and snake oil sellers are running the show.
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@peteriskrisjanis @annaleen Will there be anyone left to remember it, is the question...
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@annaleen There is a wonderful darkly satirical book by Don Marquis called Hermione and her Little Group of Serious Thinkers that explores the ego, frivolity, shallowness of 19th c. Orientalism & Spiritualism. It’s really great.
Highly recommend all of Marquis’ works.
A humanist social satirist. Writing late 19c & early 20th.
https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/776/pg776-images.html
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@annaleen There’s a section in Alan Turing’s landmark paper where he mentions how “the statistical evidence, at least for telepathy, is overwhelming” and talks about the potential methods and pitfalls of including ESP in the Turing Test. The Spiritualism was there from the start!
https://courses.cs.umbc.edu/471/papers/turing.pdf
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@annaleen Spiritualists didn't use up all the power and water or drive vast financial inequality though. So I:m guessing the legacy will be quite different.
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@annaleen
seems like very much 'the same' thing, imho.
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Until tech support improves on the devices we buy, I'll take the LLM every day of the week.
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