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Written by Amanda Marcotte on 2024-12-27 at 11:23

Straights aren't pairing off like they used to, and the press wants to blame women — for daring to have standards.

I argue that it's MAGA that broke heterosexuality. They make it seem like hell. Of course more women are taking a pass.

https://www.salon.com/2024/12/27/tradwives-incels-and-cat-ladies-the-year-maga-broke-heterosexuality/

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Written by The Dimension Walker on 2024-12-27 at 15:59

@AmandaMarcotte I'm concerned that fomenting gender based divisions undermines class solidarity on the economic front. I'd like to think more women would choose to be monogamous and have children in a more secure and economically just world but I don't know if that would be the case or not.

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Written by Janis on 2024-12-27 at 17:13

@DimensionWalker @AmandaMarcotte Wait. You want women to continue doing free (or lower-paid) labor in a more economically just world? How does that work?

Gender justice IS economic justice.

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Written by The Dimension Walker on 2024-12-27 at 18:04

@janisf @AmandaMarcotte Janis, it can work for some people because money isn't a true measure of human value. In many cases it can be a tool of deception and oppression. I did a few years of domestic service myself in the middle of my engineering career and it was the best. Having said all that, my original point about monogamy and parenting said nothing about unpaid labor. Presumably, an economically just world would have affordable childcare.

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Written by Janis on 2024-12-27 at 18:34

@DimensionWalker @AmandaMarcotte What you're proposing won't happen without getting a wedge solidly into the glue that holds our shame-based (much of it accomplished with capital) society to traditional gender roles.

Straight monogamy will work when men "humble" themselves enough to write the thank-you notes, cook & clean up holiday dinners... first, then there are 24-hour days and diapers.

Being a straight married woman inherently means free labor. That you don't see it IS the problem.

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Written by Janis on 2024-12-27 at 18:51

@DimensionWalker @AmandaMarcotte I have yet to see an economic model where enough people are willing to take a low enough wage or high-enough taxes to make US healthcare work. You want to add childcare to that? Whether dollars are attached or not, the math of labor distribution has to work. What we're discovering is our silent mothers turning the world, now that women are not-so-quiet quitting.

Show me a man who's willing to work in childcare for minimum wage. Don't worry, I'll wait.

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Written by The Dimension Walker on 2024-12-27 at 21:16

@janisf @AmandaMarcotte the domestic service I mentioned before was primarily childcare. And as long as healthcare and childcare are for-profit, there will never be enough hours or dollars to satisfy the greed of the shareholders. That was kind of my point. Tweaking the gender balance of paid vs. unpaid labor won't save any of us when every aspect of our lives is being monetized and exploited.

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Written by skry on 2024-12-28 at 01:49

@DimensionWalker @janisf @AmandaMarcotte

Of course, women will receive justice when everyone achieves full communism. No counterrevolutionary whining from the wings, please.

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Written by The Dimension Walker on 2024-12-28 at 04:53

@skry If gender parity within the working class is the goal, I think that will be achieved and surpassed soon. Working class men have been on a dramatic downhill slide for some time. You will win by default, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory because we'll all be worse off than we were decades ago.

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Written by JJ Litke on 2024-12-27 at 19:11

@DimensionWalker @AmandaMarcotte Pointing out existing gender disparities is not "fomenting division". The fact that you labeled it as such speaks volumes. You may claim to want an economically just world, but we can't have that if we can't talk about inequity. Your discomfort is your problem, don't try to make it someone else's.

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Written by samiamsam on 2024-12-29 at 17:07

@DimensionWalker @AmandaMarcotte

yikes

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Written by Marv Clowder on 2024-12-27 at 16:32

@AmandaMarcotte

"...even though it's self-evident that cats make better company than MAGA men."

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Written by Sharon 🤦🏾‍♀️ Persists on 2024-12-27 at 16:44

@AmandaMarcotte Census stats tell it all. https://toot.community/@SharonCrockett/113723072025012605

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Written by Mary Austin VOTED 4 HARRIS! on 2024-12-27 at 17:15

@AmandaMarcotte

If anybody ever needed proof that sexual orientation is not a choice, so many voluntarily celibate straight women provide that proof.

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Written by tabernac on 2024-12-27 at 17:23

@AmandaMarcotte

Waiting for the new "Marry your rapist" law to be enacted.

Oy vey.

I'd say come to Canada, ladies, but its really no better.

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Written by Janis on 2024-12-27 at 17:42

@AmandaMarcotte It's not rocket science to figure out that rapey trolls are gross, and electing a rapey troll isn't a market-friendly direction to go. Coercive dominance is a quick sugar fix for the deep hunger of insecurity with which our shame-based culture has cruelly saddled our men.

The heroes of yore were tough in order to give their women (& kids) good lives. That wasn't a fair burden, from either side.

There's no shame in doing "women's work." It may, in fact, be sexy.

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Written by Kim Possible on 2024-12-27 at 19:04

@AmandaMarcotte This is incredible, especially the imbalance in the percentage of single men looking to date vs. single women. It has long been known (academically) that men are significantly happier about being married than their wives are. That alone speaks volumes.

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Written by Zhi Zhu 🕸️ on 2024-12-27 at 23:07

@AmandaMarcotte

A MAGA man "sees sex as a zero-sum encounter where a man's pleasure comes at the expense of a woman's trauma. Whether the point is joyless impregnation or a woman's humiliation, the common theme is that hetero-sex isn't about mutual satisfaction, but conquest."

https://www.salon.com/2024/12/27/tradwives-incels-and-cat-ladies-the-year-maga-broke-heterosexuality/v

And corporate #media wonders why women do NOT want to date these dudes (then tries to coerce women into dating MAGA men).

[#]MAGA #Men #Politics #Dating #Sex #Women #US #USA #News

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Written by Horst Trumtins Electro Shark on 2024-12-27 at 23:28

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The WaPo can be burnt down now. They are not needed any longer.

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Written by StevenSavage (he/him) on 2024-12-28 at 05:17

@AmandaMarcotte I like to bluntly put it that these men make themselves not worth it.

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Written by Strange Culprits on 2024-12-28 at 17:35

@AmandaMarcotte The most delicious irony of it all? Toxic masculinity is sooooo homoerotic in its man-to-man interaction overtones, and the Bros can't fathom it 🤭

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Written by samiamsam on 2024-12-29 at 16:59

@AmandaMarcotte

side note: Thiel is gay, married to a man and has children so.....

make of that what you will lol

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Written by samiamsam on 2024-12-29 at 17:02

@AmandaMarcotte

side note #2: for a more realistic view of how this plays out, if not so publicly and involving illegal abuse

check out the horrors of Ruby Franke and her descent into the madness of violent abuse of her children

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Written by samiamsam on 2024-12-29 at 17:05

@AmandaMarcotte

side note #3: women owe men NOTHING

NOTHING

not a smile, not friendship, not sex, not trying to make them better, not marriage

NOTHING

men can get qualified therapists and learn to be partners not jailers on their own

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