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Written by Human 3500 on 2024-12-16 at 18:31

I listened to CBC's call in show at lunch. So many people have great gaps of knowledge about how the Federal parliament works.

An equal number of them are terrible at political strategy.

Let me lay some things out although I am likely missing some subtleties.

Trudeau can resign as PM and this does not cause a federal election. He is merely the leader of the party and, as the leader of the party with the most seats, he leads the government as PM. Whoever leads the liberals at the end of the week should be the PM although there likely needs to be a ceremony or two for that person to be recognized as such if Trudeau steps down.

I assume the deputy PM becomes the PM if Trudeau can't do it. Ironically, that person is Freeland, so this is a great power play. Edit: I'm wrong here in many ways.

Only one Canada wide party wants an election and the rest want more time before the next election. Thus, there will not be an election any significant amount of time before the deadline.

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Written by Human 3500 on 2024-12-16 at 19:11

As for Carney, he's not even a politician, nor has he been elected. I don't think we take randoms and put them in cabinet positions like other countries do.

So, we're a long way from needing to talk about him.

Edit. Apparently, we allow this kind of crap. Tradition says we don't do it but we know how long tradition will last under pp.

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Written by Eric Goodwin on 2024-12-16 at 18:52

@human3500 I vote they find a Black woman in the party asap and get her in the seat

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Written by Human 3500 on 2024-12-16 at 18:59

@Auxonic Maybe Kim Campbell wants another shot

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Written by Eric Goodwin on 2024-12-16 at 19:04

@human3500 she’s a terrible person and would be way better than most serious current alternatives. I’d entertain it

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Written by John Francis on 2024-12-16 at 19:02

@Auxonic @human3500 Sarah Jama for FinMin!

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Written by Pete Anderson 🚲 on 2024-12-16 at 19:14

@human3500 The last time Harper did it, he at least appointed the rando to the Senate first.

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Written by Human 3500 on 2024-12-16 at 19:18

@dairpo Does the gg bless cabinet members?

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Written by Pete Anderson 🚲 on 2024-12-16 at 19:24

@human3500 I think it's one of those things that the GG does without really having the ability to say no.

Our system is "fun" because you don't need to be an MP to have any role, you need the confidence of the house. But when was the last time the PM wasn't an MP? I think there was a senator for a bit in the late 19th century. Sparrow or Bowell?

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Written by Shaun on 2024-12-16 at 19:17

@human3500

You don't have to be elected to be in the cabinet, but it's the custom here that it be mostly constituted of sitting MPs.

You can be sure that if Carney were appointed to the cabinet, the opposition and political punditry will have a conniption over it. (Not that I endorse appointing Carney to anything.)

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Written by Human 3500 on 2024-12-16 at 19:20

@ShaunOttawa If the opposition hate it, I'll assume it's because it's a good move.

Mind you pp would totally stack cabinet with crazies if he could get away with it (which he would) so let's not start doing that.

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Written by Shaun on 2024-12-16 at 19:23

@human3500

There's enough CPC candidates that fit the bill if you're looking unhinged conspiracy theorists.

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Written by Human 3500 on 2024-12-16 at 19:24

@ShaunOttawa I suppose that's true. No need to look outside for dangerous people.

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Written by Shaun on 2024-12-16 at 19:25

@human3500

A whole bunch of them were fraternizing with the openly treasonous convoy crew.

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Written by Greg Burrell :pei_flag:🦞🚴🥔 on 2024-12-16 at 19:28

@human3500 Way back in history it used to be practice that a new PM was appointed immediately if the position became vacant, which is how we got two senators as prime minister after J.A. MacDonald and John Thompson died in office.

Since then convention has developed that a new PM isn't appointed until the governing party selects a new leader. The only PMs who have voluntarily left office with a deputy PM appointed have been P.E. Trudeau (who invented the position in 1977) and Jean Chrétien (Mulroney's deputy retired from politics at the same time), and in both cases their deputies did not become PM, and no new PM was appointed until after their leadership conventions.

Anyway, Deputy Prime Minister is a Cabinet position, and Freeland's resignation from Cabinet includes resigning as deputy PM, so even if it was convention for the deputy to become prime minister right away, she isn't it.

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