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Written by Element on 2024-12-11 at 09:01

TI-Messenger is digitalising the German healthcare system with an interoperable standard that ensures digital sovereignty, secure federation and end-to-end encryption – all based on @matrix

Synapse Pro, our new enterprise Matrix server, offers huge savings for TI-Messenger deployments with high density multi-tenancy, high availability and elastic horizontal scaling.

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Written by Element on 2024-12-11 at 09:21

Find out more about Synapse Pro at: https://element.io/blog/synapse-pro-slashes-costs-for-running-nation-scale-matrix-deployments/

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Written by rail 🦊 on 2024-12-11 at 09:02

@element @matrix I wouldn't want any life critical information to depend on matrix lol

And using it for sharing such information is irresponsible as fuck

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Written by Thibault Molleman 🔜 FOSDEM on 2024-12-11 at 09:04

@rail_ @element @matrix huh?

What do you want them to use instead? email.. that's much worse when it comes to security. (and don't forget that pharmacies/doctors would otherwise probably use whatsapp to chat between each other if this didn't exist)

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Written by rail 🦊 on 2024-12-11 at 09:05

@thibaultmol @element @matrix something that will work and will work reliably

Matrix isn't such tool and can't be trusted with anything important

Anything that you actually care about getting delivered and received successfully

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Written by Thibault Molleman 🔜 FOSDEM on 2024-12-11 at 09:07

@rail_ @element @matrix Element X is much better and reliable than regular element. And things improving fast.

Unable to decrypt is much less likely to happen now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHzh2Y7BABQ&pp=ygUSdW5hYmhsZSB0byBkZWNyeXB0

and again... what do you want them to use instead?

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Written by rail 🦊 on 2024-12-11 at 09:13

@thibaultmol @element @matrix fucking signal of all things would be a better, safer idea

Also nah I'll believe it when I see it

"Key synchronization issues have been fully fixed now!" Is the kind of bullshit I've been hearing for years and yet it still happens somehow

It happening even once in a year is too much

"Oh, weird, this message didn't load. Hmmm. Okay anyway, maybe it wasn't important"

Turns out it was an important piece of documentation

Oh well

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Written by Thibault Molleman 🔜 FOSDEM on 2024-12-11 at 09:13

@rail_ @element @matrix I understand your frustrations with Matrix and I've been there too. But like.... What else are they supposed to use? Signal?

Signal doesn't make sense because it doesn't have a custom login system that they need.

They basically authenticate using the national ID system for health care workers. So that the authenticity of each user is guaranteed.

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Written by rail 🦊 on 2024-12-11 at 09:24

@thibaultmol @element @matrix look i don't give a shit, i literally just don't care

it's not my problem to solve

all i say that matrix for healthcare is actually not better than using facebook messenger or whatsapp

and actually might be worse if you consider that the other two are actually usable and reliable at what they do :)

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Written by rail 🦊 on 2024-12-11 at 09:25

@thibaultmol @element @matrix Slack would've been a much better idea and can implement all the fancy SSO login

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Written by Beowulf on 2024-12-11 at 09:34

@rail_ Slack, really? Then they also could post publicly to the internet...

And the problem with other things like Signal are they they are centralised services...

And I need to say that I no longer have issues regarding the encryption in matrix. Only when someone creates a new session without linking it - but this isn't matrix fault 🤔

@thibaultmol

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Written by david on 2024-12-11 at 17:47

@Beowulf @thibaultmol how about XMPP? it's much better than Matrix imo, Matrix has just been awful for me probably because I'm on matrix.org, but yea anyway XMPP or Telegram would be best.

Or maybe Telegram over XMPP. idk. At least Telegram is more private than FB, xitter and things, as well as that you'll never have to worry about ur message being "encrypted", unlike with XMPP and Matrix. Though I have had a much better experience with XMPP.

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Written by Thibault Molleman 🔜 FOSDEM on 2024-12-11 at 17:54

@david @Beowulf you realize that the messages being encrypted is like... pretty fcking important?!

I'm sorry, but this is medical data we're talking about in this context.... you want e2e encryption ideally...

and XMPP again... e2e... very few if any client properly supports it

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Written by Beowulf on 2024-12-11 at 18:05

@thibaultmol Can you pls stop mentioning me. David is blocked on my instance (I think for a reason), so this thread is also broken for me.

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Written by Thibault Molleman 🔜 FOSDEM on 2024-12-11 at 09:58

@rail_ @element @matrix So you want Slack employees to be able to read all your medical information?

I'm sorry, i'm not trying to fight, i really don't want to come across like that.. But anything that isn't E2E is off the table.

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Written by rail 🦊 on 2024-12-11 at 10:54

@thibaultmol @element @matrix well first of all I would like to read my own medical information and that's not a given with Matrix

we need to go down to things as basic as that xD and only then think of any extras

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Written by Thibault Molleman 🔜 FOSDEM on 2024-12-11 at 11:38

@rail_ well tbf. That's a different aspect. This is purely about inter healthcare worker communication.

For patients to access their own file requires an actual patient portal. Which belgium has and i'm sure Germany does as well

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Written by rail 🦊 on 2024-12-11 at 11:54

@thibaultmol you didn't get it

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Written by Thibault Molleman 🔜 FOSDEM on 2024-12-11 at 12:03

@rail_ guess I don't.

all I'm trying to say is that you being able to access your own medical info is unrelated to this.

that's different companies/orgs/teams who work on that.

It's like there's one team who does everything

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Written by rail 🦊 on 2024-12-11 at 12:17

@thibaultmol matrix is so secure you often find yourself unable to access your own messages that's my point

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Written by Thomas Casteleyn on 2024-12-11 at 10:07

@rail_ @thibaultmol @element @matrix LMAO, FB Messenger reliable?

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Written by Thibault Molleman 🔜 FOSDEM on 2024-12-11 at 10:08

@Hipska @rail_ I had a whole year where it just didn't want to send me notifications. i checked every setting and reinstalled app many times.

It got fixed when i got a new phone...

Thankfully i could contact Facebook to ask for support... oh wait

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Written by Thomas Casteleyn on 2024-12-12 at 07:10

@thibaultmol @rail_ Exactly! I had very similar problems.

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Written by Fell @ #FOSDEM on 2024-12-11 at 17:07

@element So you rewrote Synapse in Rust but it's proprietary? I mean, you need selling points. That's cool and all, but now the rest of the world is stuck with an old lump of Python forever.

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Written by Dawid Rejowski on 2024-12-11 at 17:42

@element

Synapse Pro is an addon, a fork, a deploy service build on top...? What it is?

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Written by 𝑹𝒖𝒎𝒐 :bluw: :wolfspfote: on 2024-12-11 at 10:23

@element

Isn't it a requirement of using the Matrix protocol, that all changes and improvements also have to be restored and made public?

I am not familiar with the law and am asking out of interest.

@matrix

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Written by guenther on 2024-12-12 at 00:36

@rumo They changed the license to AGPL last year, which does require this. However, they also require all external contributors to sign a CLA which gives them the rights to the contributed code. That way, they (and nobody else) can sell modified versions under a proprietary license without disclosing the extra changes they made to that version.

@element @matrix

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Written by 𝑹𝒖𝒎𝒐 :bluw: :wolfspfote: on 2024-12-12 at 07:11

@guenther

Thanks for the information. :h_hello:

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