For people outside the US, this is a classic example and by no means a rarity.
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@VeroniqueB99 I donโt understand how the US insurance system can fail at such a classic case while the same case in Germany just works.
In Germany, after the cancer is defeated, you can continue building your life almost from the same financial position you had before cancer.
That is what happened in my family, and the insurance and the pension system even paid for rehab.
No life savings lost, because protection against such high damage, low probability risks is just what insurance is for.
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@ArneBab It works in EVERY other democratic country.
In France, you'd paid NOTHING if you have cancer. Period. Not the chemo, not the operations/radiation, hospitaliztion $0. There are so many countries that place health as a human right but not the US. ๐คทโโ๏ธ
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@VeroniqueB99 @ArneBab this is not true in the UK by a far stretch anymore.
Sure the NHS does what it can but people do absolutely die waiting for the underfunded system to get to them.
What's the proposed solution? Private health care. I kid you not.
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@markus @ArneBab
noooo wayyy!!! Seriously... you guys are getting HAMMERED sine Brexit...
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@VeroniqueB99 @markus @ArneBab The news tells people they want to leave the EU, they want to leave the EU. The news tells them they want private healthcare, they all start saying they want private healthcare. smh watching it. Just enough didn't buy it, just enough to elect Labour, but I don't fancy our chances with Musk and <checks '90s Neighbours IMDB page> Holly Valance for some reason moving on us like a bitch.
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@freequaybuoy @markus @ArneBab
๐คฆ doesn't sound ideal indeed...
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@VeroniqueB99 @markus @ArneBab Well, it's still far better than the States (and boy am I being schooled just how much this week ๐ณ), and I still count our blessings (the tabloid induced braying has quietened down on that front at least), just fear we'll still end up like the States.
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@freequaybuoy @markus @ArneBab
I really hope you guys become more 'european' rather than 'americans' for all your sakes... I've heard stories about UK hospitals that made me shudder... ๐ค
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@VeroniqueB99 @markus @ArneBab That's exactly my hope. I mean we were, but... damn nationalists.
It's a funny thing, either side of Europe you've got these two imperial embers, Britain and Russia, fighting tooth and nail not to be part of the continent they're on, to be something special, superior, yet every effort in that respect only causes grief, hardship and conflict.
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@VeroniqueB99 @markus @ArneBab Oh, and thanks! ๐ค๐ผ
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@freequaybuoy @markus @ArneBab
That is so true... the embers of imperial once great countries...๐
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@VeroniqueB99 @markus @ArneBab And yet they could be greater - modern, progressive, advanced. It's not even like they were that fixated on the past, Britain at least, it seemed we were largely getting past it, and then the bitter, the small minded, the decrepit, the weasely hateful few consciously and actively dragged us back in a pointless, senseless monumental act of mindless vandalism.
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@freequaybuoy @markus @ArneBab
Exactly right...
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@VeroniqueB99 @markus @ArneBab If you don't know it, this is an excellent analysis of Russia's "identity crisis" as Vexler puts it, pinpointed in Nikolai Gogol's novel, Dead Souls.
https://youtu.be/V6UiEXrVrvg?si=ygWkJ4R0fHglJ_F8
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@freequaybuoy @markus @ArneBab
I do. ๐
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@freequaybuoy (I quite like โimperial embersโ.)
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@InkomTech Thanks!
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@VeroniqueB99 @ArneBab Scotland here, brain tumour out my head 4 years ago, checkup MRI scans every 6 months for life, and 4 anti epilepsy pills (2 medications) per day. So far cost me โฌ0. Estimated cost for the rest of my life โฌ0.
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@kDelta @ArneBab
I find that totally normal... in the US you'll get "yeah but you're paying it in taxes!" (no they're not) or "that's just because etc etc"... there's so much that the US won't fix for themselves... cuz it's 'socialist'!
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@VeroniqueB99 @ArneBab Yes we do pay it in our taxes... and we actually pay a lot less... and EVERYONE gets healthcare! ๐๐ Itโs such a messed up country I canโt even begin to understand why folk tolerate it. The first time Trump won the election he actually lost by 2.9 million votes, and they try to explain the system to you as if that justifies the absurdness of it. Odd country. A lot of nice people there though ๐
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@kDelta @ArneBab
๐คฃ you are not wrong there...
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@kDelta And as nod to some common sense: about 750.000 people who voted for Trump against Biden did not vote for Trump against Harris.
Sadly about 12 Million people who voted for Joe Biden did not vote for Kamala Harris.
So Trump still won despite losing followers.
https://www.draketo.de/politik/kommentare#trump-fewer-votes
@VeroniqueB99
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@VeroniqueB99 @kDelta @ArneBab
you'll get "yeah but you're paying it in taxes!"
What's the US government spending on healthcare compared to other countries ๐ค
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@sabik @kDelta @ArneBab
You know you won't get that level of analysis anyway...
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@VeroniqueB99 @kDelta @ArneBab this always annoys me. We live in a society, which is the definition of socialism. It's really just where we choose as the edge of the tribe that people are arguing about (household, family, friends, street, village, town, state, country, planet (if anyone ever settles in the moon or Mars), etc.
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Go explain THAT to these people... I just walk away.
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@VeroniqueB99 @ArneBab the same here in Czechia. My father was fighting cancer for 7 years and never paid anything. The insurance company even reimbursed travel costs to the hospital.
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@sesivany @ArneBab
Yeah that's the case in most of Europe. If you pay it'll be a nominal fee. I don't quite see the advantage of being a society if that's not a thing...
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@VeroniqueB99
The UK NHS Congress in for a lot of criticism mostly from right wing politicians beholden to the finance 'industry'. But it's dealt with my 2 different cancers and continues to monitor my health. Thanks #NHS
@ArneBab
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@pthane @ArneBab ๐
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@VeroniqueB99 @ArneBab at this point in time I see the US as an oligarchy and not a democracy
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@Opa @ArneBab ๐ ๐คฃ agreed.
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@ArneBab
How?
By design. :welp:
@VeroniqueB99
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@ArneBab @VeroniqueB99 It didn't fail. It's just designed to generate profit and some people made some nice money by looting this family that didn't have much of a choice. It works as designed. Sick people are easy targets and milked dry efficiently.
Why so many american voters think this is good actually, or not possible to be designed for the benefit of the people instead, is beyond me, though. That's some next level brainwashing as it is only possible in the US of A, I think. For now anyway.
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@StreetDogg @ArneBab ๐ฏ
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@StreetDogg @ArneBab @VeroniqueB99 I actually think it can happen anywhere. There are well funded political forces in so many countries (in Western Europe or Latin America for instance) favouring extreme wealth concentration and limitation of labour, health & civil rights while wearing a populist mask on... and millions of citizens are buying into that. These movements have great possibilities of getting away with it all if allowed to gain momentum. Some are already in power.
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@kikebenlloch @StreetDogg @ArneBab @VeroniqueB99
Itโs absolutely happening in Canada right now
If you want to watch the USโs cancerous for-profit healthcare model spread, watch the coming elections in Canada
The Canadian healthcare system would would be up for grabs if it was declared for-profit and thatโs absolutely on the table with American insurance companies salivating at the chance to invade
People have no idea what theyโd be voting for, but itโll be sold like #BrexitNorth
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@kikebenlloch @ArneBab @VeroniqueB99 It can happen everywhere over time, but there's something unique about the US.
I think during the Cold War they talked themselves into being so anti-communism and pro-capitalism, that they have a long-lasting mental blockade about state services that actually work. The mindset was "it's either capitalistic or it's the enemy" for generations and instead of getting rid of that self-harming sillyness, they are spreading it to other countries.
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@StreetDogg
THAT is the best thing I've read in a while. It's exactly that. McCarthyism and all....
@kikebenlloch @ArneBab
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@StreetDogg @ArneBab @VeroniqueB99 That may've well been the case for decades but since the dawn of the 21st century I see an increasing amount of radical anticapitalist views from US citizens. I cannot foresee the outcome but they seem to me so absolutely let down by late stage capitalism (how to earn a minimum living wage, where to live/shelter that one can afford, how to deal with health issues since all sickness has been turned into a business model...) that they're absolutely mad at it all.
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@kikebenlloch I see a mix of Anarchocapitalist ("letโs make society even more capitalist, then it will be better for sure! Why not allow people to haggle about a pricetag for murder?") and radical anticapitalist ("nothing can be solved without first destroying capitalism!").
I donโt think that either of those actually helps.
@StreetDogg @VeroniqueB99
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