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00:00 TR News; Linux [sic] Foundation CTO has LEFT https://finance.yahoo.com/news/linux-foundation-announces-top-global-160000690.html?guccounter=1
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00:00 Alternative link; Cloudflare: yahoo.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://finance.yahoo.com/news/linux-foundation-announces-top-global-160000690.html?guccounter=1
00:00 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Announces Top Global Executive Speakers for Open Networking & Edge Executive Forum, April 12-14, and New CTO Appointment
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00:00 TR News; Linux [sic] Foundation CFO left the year the Linux [sic] Foundation operated at a loss despite the sellouts
00:01 bnchs; why the sic's
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00:01 bnchs; is it called lUNIX
00:01 bnchs; lunix
00:01 schestowitz-TR; they don't even use unix
00:01 schestowitz-TR; but fake unixea and windows
00:01 schestowitz-TR; *unixes
00:02 schestowitz-TR; they reject Linux
00:02 schestowitz-TR; they don't by the product they are called after
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00:03 matey; /me wonders who "they" refers to, and the rest of it for that matter
00:03 TR News; No such thing is possible. Tell me all about the round cube... https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/us_digital_dollar/
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00:03 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/us_digital_dollar/
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00:03 TR Bot; Democrats propose pro-privacy digital dollar The Register
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00:03 schestowitz-TR; they/them/lunix foundationb
00:03 schestowitz-TR; the hypocrites
00:03 matey; oh them
00:03 schestowitz-TR; who work for the pentagon
00:03 matey; idiots yes
00:03 schestowitz-TR; but tell me about ethics
00:04 schestowitz-TR; i wonder what the backstory is,
00:04 matey; the macos foundation
00:04 schestowitz-TR; murdock was first LF CTO
00:04 schestowitz-TR; that's fine
00:04 schestowitz-TR; after that it was people from IBM, SUSE (Rex) etc.
00:04 schestowitz-TR; latest was IBM
00:04 schestowitz-TR; Dolan
00:05 bnchs; what is this horrible chat
00:05 bnchs; microsoft is good you know
00:05 matey; for me to poop on
00:05 bnchs; ok thats why satya is the CEO
00:05 schestowitz-TR; wait, or was it chris?
00:06 schestowitz; "No such thing is possible. Tell me all about the round cube... https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/us_digital_dollar/"
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00:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/us_digital_dollar/"
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00:06 schestowitz; "Cleveland, Ohio, United States SVP and GM of Projects The Linux Foundation"
00:06 bnchs; ok you know what
00:06 bnchs; this linux foundation shit
00:06 bnchs; is starting to be a joke
00:06 bnchs; its like more corporate
00:07 bnchs; than something
00:07 schestowitz; Shubhra Kar
00:07 schestowitz; https://linuxfoundation.org/people/#member-3383-info
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00:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/people/#member-3383-info
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00:07 TR Bot; Leadership - Linux Foundation
00:07 schestowitz; "He comes to the Linux Foundation from Joyent/Samsung, where as VP of Products, he ran multiple product lines primarily services like Multi-Cloud Kubernetes, Machine Learning, Serverless and Monitoring/Analytics/Logging/Tracing. "
00:07 schestowitz; "Previous to Samsung, Shubhra served as VP of Product and Marketing at startups like InfluxData (#1 Time Series platform in the world) and StrongLoop (acquired by IBM) and is also the current Marketing Chair of the Node.js Foundation. He has also held management and technical leadership positions at CA Technologies and Infosys (Indias first startup to bluechip success story)."
00:08 schestowitz; ah, OK, chris is at cncf
00:08 schestowitz; CTO
00:09 kingoffrance; "its like more corporate" well, that was "open source" they got what they wanted
00:09 matey; ^ ^ ^
00:09 kingoffrance; i dont say that to beat a dead horse, just because its all lumped together now, detractors will say this is why "open source" doesnt work
00:09 kingoffrance; without any trace of irony
00:09 kingoffrance; set up strawman, knock it down
00:10 schestowitz; SVP and Chief Marketing Officer is quite new
00:10 matey; whats the straw man?
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00:10 schestowitz; his backgrouns seems benign
00:10 kingoffrance; that open source was "grass roots" free software doesnt exist except as part of "open source" "FOSS"
00:11 matey; heh
00:11 kingoffrance; and if you try to break up ms and linux and open source and free software, you are a homewrecker i guess lol
00:11 schestowitz; "Austin, Texas, United States CTO and GM - Products & IT, Founder - LFX.dev The Linux Foundation"
00:12 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/shubhrakar?lang=en-GB
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00:12 TR Bot; ( status 400 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/shubhrakar?lang=en-GB )
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00:12 matey; kingoffrance: open source split off from free software and then spent 20 years saying the former wasnt a "team player"
00:12 schestowitz; last "tweet" in january
00:12 matey; because it had the nerve to not automatically agree with the people that split off from them!
00:12 kingoffrance; ^
00:12 kingoffrance; "A shotgun wedding is a wedding which is arranged in order to avoid embarrassment due to premarital sex which can possibly lead to an unintended pregnancy"
00:12 DaemonFC; I take it back. There is one big pile of shit in Chicago. They call it the mayor.
00:13 DaemonFC; I had nothing to do with Mayor 50% less jobs and $6 a gallon gas, btw.
00:13 matey; due to premarital sex which can possibly lead to an unintended pregnancy <- this really does sound like reproduction as explained by a lawyer
00:13 DaemonFC; 500% MOAR crime.
00:13 kingoffrance; i was going for first comes love, then comes marriage, then comes linux foundation in a baby carriage
00:14 DaemonFC; due to premarital sex which can possibly lead to an unintended pregnancy <- this really does sound like reproduction as explained by a lawyer
00:14 DaemonFC; Most heterosexuals have unwanted pregnancies.
00:14 DaemonFC; They don't take precautions because 9 months is basically forever.
00:14 DaemonFC; So they get kids they didn't even want, over and over.
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00:14 matey; homosexuals have extremely few unwanted pregnancies
00:14 DaemonFC; Because nobody knows where they come from anyway.
00:15 DaemonFC; Something about the heterosexual brain is so perverse that it forgets what got them in that mess the last time.
00:15 DaemonFC; homosexuals have extremely few unwanted pregnancies
00:15 matey; i think thats an overly broad statement tbh
00:15 kingoffrance; i only seen matey recently, so i emphasize i was always a bsd user, never cared for "free software" as such, but i think older ppl at least recognized the shift
00:15 schestowitz; https://theorg.com/org/the-linux-foundation/org-chart/shubhra-kar
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00:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theorg.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://theorg.com/org/the-linux-foundation/org-chart/shubhra-kar
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00:15 TR Bot; Shubhra Kar - Chief Technology Officer & GM, Products at The Linux Foundation | The Org
00:15 DaemonFC; Yeah, I get to watch everyone else step on the rakes.
00:15 schestowitz; I cannot find when he joined
00:15 DaemonFC; It's fun.
00:15 kingoffrance; older ppl whatever "side" they were on
00:17 DaemonFC; America has a lot of problems and immigrants aren't really one of them, unless you count the descendants of the ones who their neighbors didn't like very much so they clunked them over the head and sold them a couple hundred years ago to get rid of the problems in their village.
00:17 schestowitz; https://www.cbinsights.com/investor/the-linux-foundation
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00:17 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cbinsights.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cbinsights.com/investor/the-linux-foundation
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00:17 TR Bot; The Linux Foundation Portfolio Investments, The Linux Foundation Funds, The Linux Foundation Exits
00:17 schestowitz; "
00:17 schestowitz; Shubhra Kar
00:17 schestowitz; Joyent, InfluxData, CA Technologies, Infosys Technologies, and Tata Communications
00:18 schestowitz; "
00:18 schestowitz; "Ranny Haiby as CTO of networking, edge & access technologies."
00:18 schestowitz; maybe CTO fore that sub-group
00:18 DaemonFC; "You mean white people came on a ship and they actually want the ones that are raping and killing other villagers here, and they'll pay us?".
00:18 DaemonFC; Now to be sure, white people are to blame for that.
00:19 matey; chicago city app: "mr. farmer, please stop reporting 'more blacks' on the chicago city app, we do not consider this a legitimate use of the service"
00:19 DaemonFC; LOL
00:19 matey; "mr garrison every year you suggest we get rid of all the mexicans and every year we tell you 'no'"
00:20 DaemonFC; "You obviously haven't been on the 67 bus recently, where one attacked the driver with a frozen chicken and we had to wait for the ambulance and the police."
00:20 matey; frozen chicken? ambulance?
00:20 DaemonFC; Yes.
00:21 matey; did they have a permit?
00:21 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/man-charged-after-beating-cta-driver-passenger-with-bag-of-frozen-chicken/
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00:21 TR Bot; Man charged after beating CTA driver, passenger with bag of frozen chicken | WGN-TV
00:21 DaemonFC; Chicago Man has been busy, you know.
00:21 matey; well, this is why they ban frozen chicken in the uk
00:21 matey; too many people were getting mugged
00:21 DaemonFC; CHICAGO Chicago police say a 27-year-old man attacked a CTA bus driver and a passenger with a bag of frozen chicken.
00:21 DaemonFC; Caleb Russell boarded the bus last Wednesday afternoon and tried to flirt with a woman.
00:21 DaemonFC; When she refused his advances, he hit her with the frozen chicken.
00:21 DaemonFC; When the CTA driver came to her rescue, he was kicked and beaten with the chicken.
00:21 DaemonFC; His face was damaged so badly, he needed gum surgery.
00:21 DaemonFC; Russell is charged with battery and aggravated battery.
00:21 DaemonFC; Court records show, Russell was sentenced to two years in prison in 2014 for making a bomb threat on a CTA bus.
00:22 DaemonFC; Aggravated battery /USE DDLY WEAPON
00:22 DaemonFC; (The chicken.)
00:22 matey; could veganism be the answer?
00:23 TR News; Arduino goes pro with Linux and a big chip on its latest board http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945#comment-33231
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00:23 TR Bot; Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board | Tux Machines
00:23 DaemonFC; Chicago Man attacks CTA driver, passenger, with bag of Beyond Chicken?
00:23 matey; oof, thats even worse
00:24 matey; because apart from the force trauma he could be allergic to gluten
00:24 DaemonFC; They say it mostly tastes like chicken.
00:24 TR News; "base power of 150 watts"???? Insane. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/intel_corei9_12900ks/
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00:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/intel_corei9_12900ks/
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00:24 TR Bot; Intel counters AMDs big-cache PC chip with 5.5GHz rival The Register
00:25 matey; at this point it would probably be easier to just have a list of things that DONT taste mostly like chicken
00:25 matey; starting with jumpmeat
00:26 psydruid; x86 hardware at this point is totally insane
00:26 psydruid; it's only for "gamers"
00:26 schestowitz-TR; make more nuclear power plants
00:26 schestowitz-TR; for shitcoin and x86
00:26 schestowitz-TR; and for people who drive 10 mile for a latte and toast
00:27 matey; the latte i can understand because who has a really good steamer
00:27 psydruid; people who buy that hardware should feel the wrath of the frozen chicken
00:27 matey; but who needs a barista to make them toast?
00:27 matey; (plus avacado)
00:28 matey; people who buy that hardware should feel the wrath of the frozen chicken <- or beyond chicken
00:28 matey; (if theyre vegan)
00:28 psydruid; the coconut touch
00:29 schestowitz-TR; tyson chicken
00:29 schestowitz-TR; in your face
00:29 schestowitz-TR; bites your ear off, too
00:29 matey; in soviet russian tyson chicken eats your children
00:30 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NB_CB1p5Q4
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00:30 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7NB_CB1p5Q4
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00:30 TR Bot; yewtu.be | I Will Eat Your Children - Invidious
00:30 matey; tyson vs. van gogh
00:31 matey; this is going to be too easy
00:31 kingoffrance; i'll allow it -- mills lane
00:31 schestowitz-TR; matey: he bit off more tha he could chew
00:31 schestowitz-TR; choo choo
00:31 schestowitz-TR; i had 'earios' in my first web site
00:31 schestowitz-TR; 1997/8
00:32 matey; when i first read the story i thought it was earsay
00:32 schestowitz-TR; ear esr!
00:32 schestowitz-TR; ear ear
00:33 schestowitz-TR; another tyson, more recent:
00:33 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8gNTVn3Mp0
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00:33 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=H8gNTVn3Mp0
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00:33 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Fury Explains Why He Licked Wilder's Blood (YouTube Flagged This Video) - Invidious
00:34 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrOo6W-nWT4
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00:34 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KrOo6W-nWT4
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00:34 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Tyson Fury Licked Deontay Wilder #TysonFury #DeontayWilder #WilderFury2 - Invidious
00:42 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163126
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00:42 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
00:43 DaemonFC; https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/29/23001277/microsoft-windows-11-default-browser-new-options
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00:43 TR Bot; Microsoft is finally making it easier to switch default browsers in Windows 11 - The Verge
00:43 DaemonFC; Microsoft seems to have given up trying to swat down all of the EdgeDeflector clones.
00:44 schestowitz-TR; "Easier"?
00:44 schestowitz-TR; or "possible"?
00:44 schestowitz-TR; This Gates/Microsoft spin machine downplays what happened
00:47 TR News; Once again 'FOSS'life Team promotes proprietary software, vendor lockin, and worse things for Microsoft's criminals. This isn't FOSS. It's spitting on FOSS and on dignity. https://www.fosslife.org/load-testing-github-actions
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00:47 TR Bot; Load Testing with GitHub Actions
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00:53 TR News; Notice how they never arrest CEOs for the same; they do not even prosecute them (e.g. Intel CEO, Microsoft executives...) https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/twilio_insider_trading/
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00:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/twilio_insider_trading/
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00:53 TR Bot; Twilio developer trio charged with insider trading The Register
00:54 TR News; GNU Poke Release and Video Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163127
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00:54 TR Bot; GNU Poke Release and Video | Tux Machines
00:58 DaemonFC; https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/San-Francisco-human-waste-feces-homeless-Reddit-13044317.php
00:58 TR Bot; '20 pounds of human waste' dropped on San Francisco street corner
00:58 DaemonFC; https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/18/san-francisco-poop-problem-inequality-homelessness
00:58 TR Bot; Why is San Francisco ... covered in human feces? | Nathan Robinson | The Guardian
00:58 DaemonFC; https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-02/san-francisco-s-sidewalk-poop-crisis-explained
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00:58 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
00:58 DaemonFC; https://www.businessinsider.com/san-francisco-homelessness-poop-graffiti-2018-11
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00:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: businessinsider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businessinsider.com/san-francisco-homelessness-poop-graffiti-2018-11
00:58 TR Bot; San Francisco Has Poop Graffiti on Streets and Sidewalks
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00:59 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU_SPdPVr88
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00:59 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wU_SPdPVr88
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00:59 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Triumph The Insult Comic Dog Poops On Voters - Invidious
00:59 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVmu6uHEDHI
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00:59 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wVmu6uHEDHI
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00:59 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Aliens 1986: The Best Shootout Scene 4K - Invidious
00:59 DaemonFC; mjg59_, ^
00:59 DaemonFC; :)
01:01 DaemonFC; "Difficult Street People"
01:01 DaemonFC; Sounds like a good name for a band, doesn't it?
01:04 DaemonFC; MinceR, So Mandy was reading a site that said, "I lost a testicle in an accident. Does that make me weird?". I said, "Well, the other one will compensate for it. Funny how nature prioritizes for backups, isn't it? You lose one heart, you die. You lose one testical, you can still reproduce.".
01:04 DaemonFC; *testicle
01:04 DaemonFC; But I mean, like, why two of THAT?
01:04 DaemonFC; If one works, why two?
01:05 DaemonFC; Why not a binary circulatory system?
01:06 DaemonFC; https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-a-binary-circulatory-system-over-an-unary-circulatory-system
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01:06 TR Bot; are the advantages and disadvantages of a binary circulatory system over an unary circulatory system? - Quora
01:06 DaemonFC; I guess this works though.
01:06 DaemonFC; As for The Doctor, the second heart doesn't make much sense. Time Lords regenerate instead of dying.
01:07 schestowitz-TR; anyway, enough of this shit
01:07 DaemonFC; What's the point in limping around with half your circulatory function when you can just regenerate?
01:07 schestowitz-TR; back to tech
01:08 TR News; Fixes? It's a bug. Remove the bug. Remove Windows. https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/fixes-for-slow-context-menu-on-windows-11/
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01:08 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/fixes-for-slow-context-menu-on-windows-11/ )
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01:08 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, The shitstorm did, in fact, go to the mayor's office. Perhaps they should call in the National Guard for the War on Shit.
01:09 DaemonFC; Okay, I'll stop now.
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01:11 TR News; Gulag resumes shoveling stuff into its 'Privacy Sandbox' - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/google_privacy_sandbox/ Source: theregister
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01:11 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/google_privacy_sandbox/
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01:11 TR Bot; Google resumes shoveling stuff into its 'Privacy Sandbox' The Register
01:11 TR News; Take the next step in "living liberation": watch the LibrePlanet 2022 videos today! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163128
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01:11 TR Bot; Take the next step in "living liberation": watch the LibrePlanet 2022 videos today! | Tux Machines
01:12 DaemonFC; https://www.incredibleegg.org/recipes/cooking-lessons/can-i-freeze-eggs
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01:12 TR Bot; Can You Freeze Eggs? | Incredible Egg
01:12 DaemonFC; I might beat and freeze some eggs.
01:12 DaemonFC; With all of the Bidenflation going on, couldn't hurt....
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01:43 activelow; DaemonFC> Okay, I'll stop now.
01:43 activelow; obviously not
01:44 activelow; DaemonFC: what are you doing, other than injecting your wisdom into here?
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01:50 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/03/29/1089490958/free-turbotax-ftc-intuit
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01:50 TR Bot; FTC accuses Intuit of deceptively advertising TurboTax as free : NPR
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04:01 DaemonFC; https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/well/live/gaslighting-doctors-patients-health.html
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04:01 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/well/live/gaslighting-doctors-patients-health.html
04:01 TR Bot; What Is Medical Gaslighting and How Can You Elevate Health Care - The New York Times
04:01 DaemonFC; BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT
04:02 DaemonFC; I had a doctor completely ignore my blood pressure. Figured I'd save money and just go down to the Health Department. You get what you pay for. Plus, with all of the liberal indoctrination going on.....
04:02 DaemonFC; I mean to get a job with the state government you basically have to be a Democrat Party sycophant.
04:02 DaemonFC; I haven't seen a single person working for the county who isn't.
04:04 DaemonFC; "Mrs. Rishe, who lives in Los Angeles, found a highly recommended cardiologist in the Midwest and flew there to see him. He immediately dismissed her symptoms, she said. People who have these heart conditions arent this sick, she remembers him saying. He prescribed a new heart medication, told her to exercise and sent her home.
04:04 DaemonFC; Unsatisfied with her care, Mrs. Rishe saw yet another doctor, who ordered extensive tests that found her arteries were spasming from a lack of oxygen. I was basically having mini-heart attacks, whenever I was having chest pain, she said. Two months later, she had open-heart surgery to correct the problem, which she later learned may have saved her life."
04:04 DaemonFC; Obviously everyone who has ever encountered a stupid doctor with a degree on the wall is a victim of "racism", like my mother, who is white, and had a doctor laugh at her skin cancer, and then she got a second opinion and they started treatment right away.
04:05 DaemonFC; That was in 1986 and the only reason she's alive today is because she didn't stop with the doctor that refused to treat her and said that it was a benign growth.
04:06 DaemonFC; I mean, there's a lot of doctors out there who really shouldn't be allowed to practice medicine. Just because you found one doesn't mean they're racist, or homophobic, or whatever.
04:07 DaemonFC; And just think about how if you were lucky to survive them, how many patients are not smart enough to go somewhere else, who that doctor ultimately kills, while making the payments on his Lexus.
04:09 DaemonFC; When I wanted to get on PrEP medication in Chicago, I found a doctor, who refused to treat me. Instead of filing a lawsuit, I just didn't go back to that doctor again. His name is John Nicholas.
04:09 DaemonFC; Err, Nicolas...
04:09 DaemonFC; https://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu/faculty-profiles/az/profile.html?xid=12420
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04:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: northwestern.edu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu/faculty-profiles/az/profile.html?xid=12420
04:09 TR Bot; John D Nicolas : Faculty Profile: Faculty Profiles: Feinberg School of Medicine: Northwestern University
04:10 DaemonFC; That's right, in CHICAGO, you have to go to a clinic where the doctors actually do their job and treat the patient. There's plenty of homophobic doctors in Chicago.
04:10 DaemonFC; But you'll never prove it even if it is against the law, so don't bother.
04:11 DaemonFC; "Studies have shown that compared with men, women face longer waits to be diagnosed with cancer and heart disease, are treated less aggressively for traumatic brain injury, and are less likely to be offered pain medications."
04:12 DaemonFC; This is actually not true at all.
04:12 DaemonFC; Men are more likely than women to be undiagnosed and untreated for everything in the first place because they're less likely to be insured, go to the doctor, and complain about things loudly enough to be taken seriously and treated.
04:13 DaemonFC; "People of color often receive poorer quality care, too."
04:14 DaemonFC; That is probably true, but it's not what it looks like. Black people are less likely to be insured, but the government lowered the uninsured rate by giving them Medicaid, which pays like nothing. One doctor told me she couldn't accept Medicaid because it doesn't even pay enough to cover the billing department submitting a claim. The state of California pays $4 for a well child visit.
04:15 DaemonFC; And if you don't bill a Medicaid patient to Medicaid, you can be charged with fraud, so there's not only nowhere to use it, but it locks you out of charity care once you sign up.
04:15 DaemonFC; The liberals managed to fuck this up too, even though it costs a fortune. (Second most expensive item on the California state budget after education is Medicaid.).
04:17 DaemonFC; The ones in Illinois aren't far behind California. They want to spend $250 million a year on Medicaid for illegal immigrants, even though the program has utterly failed.
04:18 DaemonFC; "For instance, Dr. Spencers research suggests that women are twice as likely as men to be diagnosed with a mental illness when their symptoms are consistent with heart disease."
04:19 DaemonFC; If you go to the hospital and they say anything about having "psych" talk to you, leave. And if you can't leave, don't talk to them.
04:20 DaemonFC; "Women may be misdiagnosed more often than men, in part, because scientists know far less about the female body than they do about the male body, even though there are biological differences that go down to the cellular level, said Chloe Bird, a senior sociologist at Pardee RAND Graduate School who studies womens health."
04:20 DaemonFC; Oh boy, don't tell our resident failed biologist that!
04:20 DaemonFC; Gender is all in your head. There's absolutely no biology involved.
04:21 DaemonFC; ;)
04:22 DaemonFC; "And see another doctor if you feel dismissed, Dr. McGregor said. You might even want to consider seeking out a woman physician or a provider with better cultural competence, who may better understand your perspective and language."
04:23 DaemonFC; 100% agree with if your doctor is an idiot who ignores your very real symptoms of disease (hypertension is not difficult to diagnose), leave.
04:23 DaemonFC; But the second part is just sexism.
04:24 DaemonFC; In my experience, there's about as many incompetent female doctors as there are incompetent male doctors. So it's not really like choosing a doctor based on their gender is going to help you much. It's all luck of the draw.
04:28 mjg59_; "failed biologist"?
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04:47 DaemonFC; If someone were to say that gender is purely a state of mind.
04:49 DaemonFC; Gender dysphoria is, of course.
04:51 DaemonFC; mjg59_, I have an idea for San Francisco. They can start distributing Airtags for the shit, and then the city can use Find My Shit to find the shit.
04:55 MinceR; "have you noticed that their stuff is shit and your shit is stuff?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac
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04:55 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac
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04:55 TR Bot; yewtu.be | George Carlin Talks About "Stuff" - Invidious
04:57 DaemonFC; MinceR, San Francisco is number one in America in piles of shit per capita.
04:58 DaemonFC; New York City was second, with 160 times fewer shit on the sidewalk complaints per capita.
04:58 MinceR; is this metric based solely on complaints?
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04:59 DaemonFC; Yeah.
04:59 MinceR; that could skew things
04:59 MinceR; maybe people somewhere are more used to shit on the sidewalk and/or don't mind it as much
04:59 MinceR; or they think complaining won't help
05:00 DaemonFC; It's been going on for years in San Francisco.
05:00 DaemonFC; In 2019, there were 35% more complaints about human shit on the sidewalk than in 2018 according to the city's app.
05:01 DaemonFC; Of course, more people could be installing the app specifically to complain about a volume of shit that is staying roughly the same.
05:02 MinceR; also, do they report number of turds, volume of shit, mass of shit or some other metric?
05:03 DaemonFC; Density, size, whether it tested positive for COVID-19.....?
05:03 MinceR; :>
05:04 MinceR; if only count is reported, high amounts could coalesce into a smaller number of turds
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05:12 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Your accusation that I'm a failed biologist is because you (someone who has no qualifications in biology) disagree with me (someone who has a PhD in biology)?
05:12 mjg59_; Not trying to appeal to authority by asserting that this means you're wrong, just trying to understand what your actual argument is
05:14 DaemonFC; It seems people with a degree are deliberately lying about what gender and sex are for political brownie points to me.
05:23 MinceR;
05:26 activelow; anyway, digging, Aboriginal Linux is dead too:
05:26 activelow; http://lists.landley.net/pipermail/aboriginal-landley.net/2016-May/002567.html
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05:26 TR Bot; [Aboriginal] Possibly winding down the project.
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05:27 activelow; seems to have been both, which coincides with the timeline of GCC switching to c++ as one technical issue, besides GPLv3, and a load of other problems
05:28 activelow; gcc-4.7 was year 2013, three years later another crucial project vanished
05:28 DaemonFC; GCC has been falling apart for years.
05:28 DaemonFC; When your debugger crashes and needs debuggering.
05:29 activelow; binutils too, it seems, according to the email
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05:30 activelow; i am not too optimistic yet, about TinyCC; still was hunting some minor bugs with the gcc-4.7 toolchain, and need some more days or a week or two for some other taks
05:30 activelow; tasks
05:30 DaemonFC; Nobody even talks about Kubuntu anymore.
05:30 DaemonFC; Well, that's a shame.
05:30 activelow; irelevant, it's the compiler/toolchain with unresolved issues
05:31 activelow; which affects almost all projects, including *BSD, all linux distros, everything
05:32 activelow; "been playing a little with LLVM, maybe I should do more of that,but it's a giant hairball nightmare written in C++"... well gcc too is nowadays
05:33 activelow; anyway, other than TinyCC (and mostly unmaintained PCC from SCO) there is little to nothing remaining, as a reliable toolchain to rely upon, long-term
05:33 activelow; and, with C11 creeping into, the situation will become worse
05:35 activelow; GPL3 too is a problem, not for me, which is the requirements for dual-licensing often with it; not sure what FSF had been thinking
05:35 activelow; because, how should GPL3 prevent tivoization, assuming if it is the copyright-holders which may enforce GPL, and if those had no interest in enforcement then GPLv3 is moot anyway
05:36 activelow; however, the dual licensing is annoying, none of my concerns;
05:40 activelow; wake me up when TinyCC becomes a GNU project, with support from FSF, and kernel maintenance for it
05:41 activelow; soon i'll iteratively swap GCC with TinyCC with the base-system package set here, knowing already what fails and requires hacks (musl, gcc, kernel)
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05:41 activelow; there is another 700+ packages to verify, and see if it is somewhat stable, for aarch32 and aarch64
05:42 activelow; which is the c-only profile
05:42 activelow; would be cool, if binutils too can be kicked out, since TinyCC got a linker, ar, as
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05:59 DaemonFC; I suppose it's lost on the idiots running Germany that in their mad rush to ruin the economy of the former East Germany that they tore down perfectly usable nuclear power plants.
06:00 DaemonFC; And that they, in fact, set up this entire energy crisis with the Russian gas.
06:01 activelow; DaemonFC: why not stay on topic?
06:01 activelow; http://lists.landley.net/pipermail/aboriginal-landley.net/2016-May/002567.html
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06:01 TR Bot; [Aboriginal] Possibly winding down the project.
06:01 DaemonFC; Landley isn't really my favorite person.
06:01 DaemonFC; He takes cash to assist GPL violators.
06:03 DaemonFC; Well, I see my upstairs neighbors are cooking something. The fire alarm is going off.
06:03 DaemonFC; That means it's done.
06:03 activelow; again steering towards off-topic, Landley support GPL2
06:04 DaemonFC; He helps companies like Sony dodge the consequences of GPL violation with that Toybox thing.
06:04 activelow; since FSF prominence presence here, i would be curious, about both technical issues escalating since 2013, and the political strategy
06:04 activelow; http://lists.landley.net/pipermail/aboriginal-landley.net/2016-May/002567.html
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06:04 DaemonFC; Sony ought to be sued for XCP again if the lawsuit against Vizio succeeds.
06:04 activelow; DaemonFC: it is the authors of a software to enforce GPL, and if FSF isn't the author or mandated to enforce there isn't any violation to begin with
06:05 DaemonFC; They included source code under the LGPL in it, in violation of that license.
06:05 DaemonFC; That's not necessarily what US law says.
06:05 activelow; Author's rights are international law
06:05 DaemonFC; Vizio is being sued in a court in California.
06:05 DaemonFC; There's no such thing as international law.
06:06 activelow; of cause there is, Berne Convention, authors' rights
06:06 DaemonFC; There are various agreements, but United States law is supreme and controlling here.
06:06 DaemonFC; The US Supreme Court has said as much.
06:06 activelow; anyway, that's again steering towards off-topic
06:06 DaemonFC; International agreements that violate the US Constitution or US laws are therefore null and void as far as their bearing on domestic law.
06:07 DaemonFC; Congress can also repeal treaties if it wants to, but those treaties usually have some mechanism for the president to do it by himself.
06:07 activelow; GPL2 is a license, not law, and of authors chose not to enforce it, their own software (not any FSF had written), then there is no violation of law
06:07 activelow; *and if
06:08 DaemonFC; But in no way, shape, or form does any alleged "international law" control an author's copyright in the US if their claim violates US law.
06:08 DaemonFC; It's only valid insofar as their rights under US law are concerned.
06:09 activelow; it is author's rights, including a license an author may or may not chose for software written himself, or chose to enforce or not
06:09 DaemonFC; Germany has a somewhat "unique" perspective on copyright law. It's cute, but it also doesn't apply to me.
06:10 activelow; if kernel developers choose GPL2, FSF has that much authority over this decision: 0, zero, none, nil
06:10 DaemonFC; They don't have any particular rights that a US person wouldn't have.
06:10 DaemonFC; Right, but users can sue a GPL violator.
06:10 activelow; and if kernel developers chose not to enforce GPL2 with tivoized products, then that's the decision of the authors of the software, not the FSF
06:10 DaemonFC; It goes under contract law at that point.
06:10 DaemonFC; The GPL is an enforceable contract with the user.
06:11 activelow; on which legal basis should a user sue whom for what?
06:11 DaemonFC; Well, the author and the user both have enforcement rights.
06:11 DaemonFC; It's just whether it's under copyright law or contract law.
06:12 DaemonFC; In the Vizio case, what's most likely to happen is that Vizio will be compelled to "perform" their "contractual obligations" to the user under the GPL.
06:12 activelow; besides author's rights, berne convention, which is the author decides, which license, which terms, not the FSF
06:13 DaemonFC; I didn't say someone else could change the license. That can't typically happen unless something else has occurred that gave them a way to do that.
06:13 DaemonFC; For example, the default language of the GPL is "this version or any later version" and the default language of the LGPL is "this version, any later version, or the GPL".
06:14 DaemonFC; It has an option to convert it to the full GPL.
06:14 activelow; i fundementally disagree with tivoization; however, somehow, this is what users and developers deserve, given their poor judgement which hardwaer was acceptable and which wasn't
06:14 activelow; remembering RMS posing with IBM Wintel Laptop
06:14 DaemonFC; One that thad the firmware totally replaced, but yeah sure.
06:15 activelow; wow, impressive.
06:15 activelow; i mean, this shows, where FSF is standing.
06:15 DaemonFC; That particular model had a free firmware and had the Management Engine disabled, and had free firmware for the wifi and everything. The wifi that came with the laptop was obsolete, so they dug in and changed to a different chip that had free firmware.
06:16 DaemonFC; If you load a firmware that borks the management engine, it's no longer a threat.
06:16 activelow; along the lines of argument you present here, DaemonFC, inentionally distracting, from the fact, the toolchain all "free" software projects rely upon is approaching a state, which i am not willing to git-pull anymore
06:16 activelow; same with linux kernel
06:16 DaemonFC; The Linux kernel has always been full of non-free crap.
06:16 DaemonFC; And it's gotten worse every release.
06:17 DaemonFC; The FSF can't write replacements for tens of thousands of firmware blobs where the manufacturer won't tell anyone anything about the hardware.
06:17 DaemonFC; But it does sponsor a de-blobbing script.
06:18 activelow; the FSF is a misnomer from the beginning, because free software cannot be separated from hardware (which is an artificial, political distinction, not a technical one as such, an engineer would know)
06:18 DaemonFC; So it sounds like you're saying since they can't rid the Earth of every proprietary program, they should give up trying to do anything.
06:19 activelow; instead, FSF served, with GCC, to implement a load of extensions for proprietary malicious hardware extensions (IBM Wintel mainly)
06:19 DaemonFC; Well, of course they support x86 extensions.
06:19 activelow; in fact, GCC became a utility, for proprietary/malicious systems, intentional or not, my opinion
06:19 DaemonFC; x86 is the most popular CPU architecture, by far.
06:20 activelow; and the last open-source one is some real-mode i8086 system, including verilog, which again requires proprietary Altera stuff
06:20 activelow; anyway
06:20 DaemonFC; And the others you're likely to use are probably worse unless you buy something from China that nobody's ever heard of. Stallman did that, eventually, after getting rid of the deblobbed ThinkPad.
06:21 DaemonFC; He was using a laptop with a Loongson CPU.
06:22 activelow; let's try to keep this on-topic for a day
06:22 activelow; http://lists.landley.net/pipermail/aboriginal-landley.net/2016-May/002567.html
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06:22 TR Bot; [Aboriginal] Possibly winding down the project.
06:23 activelow; would be curious too, what mjg59_ thinks
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06:28 mjg59_; GPLv3's power has been reduced by corporations rejecting it, which is not surprising but still
06:28 mjg59_; But I think the real problem was that GFDL was a terrible error
06:29 DaemonFC; Corporations rejecting it doesn't really matter. It was designed so they'd accept it or have to avoid it and spend time and money writing their own stuff.
06:29 DaemonFC; Apple replaced Samba with some shit that doesn't even work and crashes the Mac.
06:29 mjg59_; And the community was less willing to trust the FSF over GPLv3 as a result
06:29 mjg59_; Like, GFDL was a fucking huge fight between the FSF and Debian
06:30 DaemonFC; Now that Samba is ditching SMBv1 entirely and some later extensions, and Apple has been saying use SMBv1 as a workaround so they don't have to fix the Mac....
06:30 mjg59_; That was the first meaningful split between Debian and the FSF other than non-free
06:30 DaemonFC; It'll be a bad time to be a Mac user if you need SMB. That's for sure.
06:30 mjg59_; And it was the first where Debian was explicitly rejecting the FSF
06:31 mjg59_; So a whole set of people who should have been naturally aligned with the FSF were instead primed to think their new licenses were bad
06:31 DaemonFC; Well, I'd like to use something else, but mainly the reason I won't use Ubuntu is because of the huge Microsoft ads they're paid to put there.
06:32 DaemonFC; And recommending WSL, which is hilarious because it's not a solution.
06:32 DaemonFC; I used to use Ubuntu, but when I came back and saw Microsoft ads all over it, I knew they probably wouldn't be around long.
06:33 DaemonFC; Anyone who partners with Microsoft isn't around very long to tell about it.
06:33 DaemonFC; Roy lost a lot of his bashers, you know, when Novell went POOF.
06:33 DaemonFC; And the Mono "community" stopped immediately.
06:34 DaemonFC; And there's tons of GPLv3 things in a GNU/Linux distribution.
06:34 DaemonFC; And even Microsoft ships those.
06:34 DaemonFC; The "rejection" you speak of is that they want to harm users in ways the GPLv3 doesn't allow.
06:35 DaemonFC; So they can go build their own fucking software to do it with.
06:35 DaemonFC; Windows is a clunker and a lemon, but the government and hollywood want to foist it on people due to built-in spyware and DRM.
06:38 DaemonFC; The GPL makes DRM and spyware inconvenient, especially with the anti-tivoization clause.
06:39 DaemonFC; Inconvenient in the sense it wouldn't work because you'd have to describe how they do work and disclaim that the DRM is an "effective technical measure" under the DMCA.
06:40 DaemonFC; So if they avoid it, who cares? It makes them weaker. Apple's SMBX is hardly the only case where they've managed to harm themselves to dodge the GPL.
06:40 DaemonFC; And it also shows that when Apple writes a program themselves, they have no idea what they're doing.
06:41 DaemonFC; So the best parts of Mac OS were pretty much just swiped here and there by people who only had a vague overall idea of how to piece them together.
06:41 DaemonFC; They can't write a replacement for Samba that works, but they're doing system level programming?
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07:20 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, March 29, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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07:20 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
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07:32 TR News; Sebastian Crane on Distributed (Software) Freedom | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/sebastian-crane-distributed-freedom/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/30/sebastian-crane-distributed-freedom/
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07:32 TR Bot; Sebastian Crane on Distributed (Software) Freedom | Techrights
07:37 TR News; Did they forget the biggest criminals, from Microsoft, who likely bribed politicians to go after Microsoft's rivals? https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/doj_to_congress_thumbs_up/
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07:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/doj_to_congress_thumbs_up/
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07:37 TR Bot; DoJ to Congress: Thumbs up for big tech antitrust bill The Register
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07:37 TR News; "The RcppBDT package is an early adopter of Rcpp and was one of the first packages utilizing Boost and its Date_Time library. The now more widely-used package anytime is a direct descentant of RcppBDT. Thanks again for the heads-up!" http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2022/03/29#rcppbdt_0.2.5
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07:38 TR Bot; Thinking inside the box
07:39 matey; im (still) on the same side as debian regarding the fdl, but i find it difficult to believe that the fdl had more impact on gpl3 adoption than the anti-gpl3 lobbying and linus campaigning against it
07:40 TR News; Microsoft is a company built on crime. Technology is just a side activity.
07:41 matey; (if any)
07:42 mjg59_; matey: It meant Debian wasn't naturally aligned with gpl3
07:42 matey; oh i get the argument
07:42 matey; it just seems like a stretch. and i sort of passionately hate the fdl
07:43 matey; just for being backwards
07:43 matey; my position on it is (as far as i can tell) identical to that of debians
07:43 mjg59_; GFDL prioritised the FSF over anything else
07:43 TR News; Chrome 100 is out. The version inflation will break lots of code now, assuming an expectation of single- or two-digit version # https://chromestatus.com/features#milestone%3D100
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07:43 TR Bot; Chrome Platform Status
07:44 matey; howso?
07:44 mjg59_; The whole invariant section stuff
07:44 mjg59_; It was intended to protect FSF advocacy
07:45 mjg59_; The front/back cover stuff was less bad
07:46 mjg59_; But it was the first strong indication that the FSF had its own opinion about what the mission of free software was, without meaningfully discussing that with the people who were doing the most to ship free software to end users
07:46 TR News; Fedora Linux 36 Beta now available for download with GNOME 42 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163107#comment-33232
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07:46 TR Bot; Fedora Linux 36 Beta Is Out with the GNOME 42 Desktop Environment and Linux Kernel 5.17 | Tux Machines
07:46 matey; perens: ""FSF, a Free Software organization, isn't being entirely true to the Free Software ethos while it is promoting a license that allows invariant sections to be applied to anything but the license text and attribution. [...] the GFDL isn't consistent with the ethos that FSF has promoted for 19 years."
07:47 matey; personally i dropped my fsf membership specifically over their promotion of no-derivs all over the website
07:47 matey; im a free software AND free culture advocate, and i feel they misrepresent free culture (with fud)
07:48 mjg59_; The FSF's failure to engage with CC in the very early days was a mistake
07:48 matey; im aware of numerous attempts to fix this, which arguably (if only partially) failed
07:48 mjg59_; It's made CC a worse family of licenses
07:48 matey; The FSF's failure to engage with CC in the very early days was a mistake <- this i strongly agree with, and have said for many years
07:48 matey; it was an enormous loss for both sides
07:49 mjg59_; And then the FSF failed to support Debian in engaging with CC when we tried to fix some basic issues
07:49 matey; issues such as?
07:49 matey; i mean the fdl counts, i hate it
07:49 mjg59_; CC didn't allow you to put material on DRM-encumbered media even if you distributed a free copy as well
07:50 mjg59_; So it's basically impossible to put CC material on Blu Ray
07:50 TR News; Fedora downtime (they outsourced to Amazon, ICBS Clown not good enough): "Serveral virthosts (including the one running pagure.io) are not responding. We are working with datacenter staff to evaluate the issue and bring it back on line. There is no ETA at the moment."
07:50 mjg59_; Even if you also give people a download that they can modify
07:50 matey; do you happen to know kat walshs position on that?
07:51 TR News; Linux in the Ham Shack Episode #460: Winds of Change https://lhspodcast.info/2022/03/lhs-episode-460-winds-of-change-2/
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07:51 TR Bot; LHS Episode #460: Winds of Change | Linux in the Ham Shack
07:51 mjg59_; I think it's evolved since that - the last time I pressed on this was back around 2005
07:51 matey; she worked on cc 4.0
07:51 matey; and was on the fsf board
07:51 mjg59_; But it was basically just Debian, not FSF
07:51 mjg59_; Hey I was also on the fsf board
07:51 matey; i realise that
07:51 matey; but i dont know if it was at the same time
07:52 mjg59_; We overlapped a little
07:52 matey; shes the only person from the fsf ive met in person
07:52 matey; twice, purely by chance
07:52 matey; long time ago
07:52 mjg59_; But honestly by then it was so an issue from the past
07:53 mjg59_; Urgh how was this 17 years ago
07:54 matey; cause we are old
07:54 matey; well, not terribly
07:54 matey; but i think i was in my 20s when i wet walsh
07:54 TR News; it is correct to refer to GNU/Linux as GNU/Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163129
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07:54 TR Bot; it is correct to refer to GNU/Linux as GNU/Linux | Tux Machines
07:55 schestowitz-TR; met
07:55 matey; thanks
07:55 schestowitz-TR; kind of a bad typo
07:55 matey; time for tea, this is an unacceptable level of typos
07:55 matey; no its a fucking terrible typo, but ive been tired lately and muscle memory is doing half the work
07:56 matey; as evidenced by quite a few typos lately
07:56 schestowitz-TR; I could make a joke about the typo
07:56 matey; not that my "typemanship" is ever great, its just been particularly bad this week
07:56 schestowitz-TR; but any joke would be tasteless
07:56 mjg59_; It would be, yup
07:56 matey; I could make a joke about the typo <- yes i could too, but that would only make it worse
07:57 matey; when i looked up at the line of text i thought "jesus christ"
07:57 matey; and it is now time to make tea
07:58 schestowitz-TR; anyway, moving on...
07:58 schestowitz-TR; I'm preparing daily "HowTos"
07:58 schestowitz-TR; lots of sites with clownflare are now blocked
07:58 schestowitz-TR; even their RSS feeds
07:58 schestowitz-TR; what a stupid, stupid CND
07:58 schestowitz-TR; even puts XML files behind JS challenges
07:58 schestowitz-TR; *CDN
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 47.15 k/sec., IPFS upstream 81.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 231.11
07:59 schestowitz-TR; so the only alternative is,
07:59 schestowitz-TR; put the address of the RSS feed in a browser
07:59 schestowitz-TR; and manually check for diffs
07:59 schestowitz-TR; this is insane
08:00 schestowitz-TR; CF: EEE
08:00 schestowitz-TR; 'free' CDN
08:00 schestowitz-TR; more restrictions
08:00 schestowitz-TR; now you must pay
08:00 schestowitz-TR; (CF always operates at losses)
08:03 matey; even their RSS feeds <- rofl
08:03 schestowitz-TR; i think they are now aware
08:03 matey; "we think your rss reader might be malware. please solve this capt-- um..."
08:03 schestowitz-TR; they basically zapped off all their followers
08:03 schestowitz-TR; same thing with sites that outsourced to feedburner (gulag)
08:04 matey; "please instruct your rss reader to solve this captcha"
08:04 matey; "somehow"
08:04 schestowitz-TR; but in the case of CF, they can turn that off
08:04 schestowitz-TR; the URLs remain the same
08:05 schestowitz-TR; matey: or top move the mouse
08:05 schestowitz-TR; technically rss readers are a bit like bots
08:05 schestowitz-TR; but gentler and desirable ones
08:05 schestowitz-TR; because real humans follow
08:05 schestowitz-TR; if there are updats detected
08:06 TR News; "The only problem is that this internal drive has just 667.2GB of usable space, which is limited for people who want to install more than a few titles." https://www.addictivetips.com/gaming/how-to-increase-your-ps5-storage-space/
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08:08 matey; the tea is cajun style today
08:09 matey; when i got back to the pan it was down to the leaves with just a bit of simmering moisture
08:09 matey; i added water and let it boil for another minute
08:09 matey; its actually delicious, but it would be a hazard to make it this way deliberately
08:11 matey; technically rss readers are a bit like bots <- of course they are
08:11 matey; and the thing about the web is, corporates bots are good
08:11 matey; and user bots are bad
08:11 matey; because hooray for google, boo for users
08:11 matey; google doesnt have to look at ads
08:11 matey; users do
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08:13 darwin; business managers used to be seeking software developers/engineers who were 'ninjas/rockstars' but after the creation of the ninja build tool and rockstar programming language did that trend stop?
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08:14 matey; business managers used to be seeking software developers/engineers who were 'ninjas/rockstars' but after the creation of the ninja build tool and rockstar programming language did that trend stop? <- heh
08:15 TR News; Those are terrible. Get a real mousing device. https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-fixes-chromebook-touchpad-not-working/
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08:15 TR Bot; 13 Fixes for Chromebook Touchpad Not Working - Make Tech Easier
08:15 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163130
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08:15 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
08:16 TR News; Dont help Putin and Lukashenko silence anti-war voices - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/putin-lukashenko/ Source: accessnow
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08:16 TR Bot; Dont help Putin and Lukashenko silence anti-war voices - Access Now
08:17 TR News; Wait, WHAT? "Face ID with Masks" is a FEATURE?? https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/what-new-features-are-available-in-ios-15-4/
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08:17 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/what-new-features-are-available-in-ios-15-4/ )
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08:20 TR News; "This extension revolutionizes how PSOs can be managed by the application, and its the first step towards solving the dreaded stuttering that zink suffers from when attempting to play any sort of game." https://www.supergoodcode.com/release-the-kraken/
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08:20 TR Bot; Release The Kraken Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code.
08:21 TR News; "Yes, it was 'robwoj44' who internationalized gpptp, but that was version 0.2. Much later, 'jafadmin' created version 2.0, without the internationalization. I have been using 2.0 in EasyOS." https://bkhome.org/news/202203/gpptp-internationalized-now-version-21.html
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08:21 TR Bot; gpptp internationalized, now version 2.1
08:23 TR News; "It's been hard to write in this space lately because I've been incredibly worn down, depressed, and feeling like I need to quit working for the non-profit I'm running." gemini://inconsistentuniverse.space/gemlog/2022-03-29-depressed.gmi
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08:24 TR News; "Ive been busy since I became unemployed. Not strictly hour by hour, but most days have been rather active. And mostly in pleasant ways." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-03-29-a-tranquil-exhaustion.gmi
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08:25 TR News; "Bacardi55 pointed out to me the Usenet. I was touched by the second illiteracy. I used Usenet in the '90s. And now I haven't even know how to go about it. Ancient knowledge, what are the NNTP server addresses now?!" gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi
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08:28 matey; this incidentally, is the main reason i consider fdl non-free https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_FDL#Burdens_when_printing
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08:28 TR Bot; GNU Free Documentation License - Wikipedia
08:29 matey; the article gives a more thorough treatment of the drawbacks than i ever could
08:30 matey; im sure you can mirror it somewhere if you want to
08:31 matey; copy, get permission, upload
08:31 matey; its not a very large website
08:31 matey; obviously the irc cannot be mirrored, being dynamic by nature
08:31 SomeH4x0r; it is ~ 25 GB, though it has a copy of itself inside, so it is only a half-size actually
08:32 matey; and if the hosting is not tied to the registrar, you can just serve it over onion instead
08:32 matey; wth is 12.5 gb? ive only seen a few files
08:32 matey; is there video there or something?
08:32 SomeH4x0r; most of the large files is the music directory and nt5src.7z, I think
08:32 matey; /me has seen a front page, a pdf, a few jpgs
08:33 matey; nt5src eh
08:33 matey; /me thinks of reactos
08:33 matey; (that wouldnt be 12gb)
08:34 matey; (let alone compressed)
08:34 SomeH4x0r; anyway, http://s6b2ebb5zpd6xs3q7ghihc6u4vgaqeeaece7ugckd2q5itxnr43hhqyd.onion/misc/www.executingreality.com_Christopher_Csatlos_01.18.22_07:47:55.7z is a full copy of the website taken recently
08:34 TR Bot; not resolve host: s6b2ebb5zpd6xs3q7ghihc6u4vgaqeeaece7ugckd2q5itxnr43hhqyd.onion; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http://s6b2ebb5zpd6xs3q7ghihc6u4vgaqeeaece7ugckd2q5itxnr43hhqyd.onion/misc/www.executingreality.com_Christopher_Csatlos_01.18.22_07:47:55.7z )
08:34 matey; is the hosting tied to the registrar?
08:35 SomeH4x0r; yes iiuc, but the VPS service expires, not the domain name
08:35 matey; oh ok
08:35 SomeH4x0r; also he told me not to share the dashboard password to anyone if he disappears
08:36 matey; thats probably good advice
08:37 TR News; Links 29/03/2022: GNU Poke 2.2 and Official Video Release for LibrePlanet 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/gnu-poke-2-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/30/gnu-poke-2-2/
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08:37 TR Bot; Links 29/03/2022: GNU Poke 2.2 and Official Video Release for LibrePlanet 2022 | Techrights
08:39 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163131
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08:39 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
08:39 TR News; Videos/Audiocasts/Shows: Linux in the Ham Shack and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163132
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08:39 TR Bot; Videos/Audiocasts/Shows: Linux in the Ham Shack and More | Tux Machines
08:39 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163133
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08:39 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
08:41 matey; this i was not aware of: thomas bushnell raised objections to the gnu fdl
08:41 matey; he was a hurd maintainer
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08:45 bnchs; schestowitz: your twitter got suspended for covid-19 misinformation because usually hatred for bill gates is associated with anti-vaxxers
08:46 bnchs; commonly*
08:47 matey; twitter was unable to suspend daemonfc because of a race condition
08:47 matey; yes its a double entendre
08:48 matey; but the idea is that they couldnt figure out which thing was the most offensive, so the algorithm was overwhelmed by choices
08:48 bnchs; yeah
08:49 matey; similarly, tay didnt stop spewing hatred until microsoft shut it down
08:50 SomeH4x0r; bans need to be evaded
08:50 bnchs; matey: microsoft's fault
08:50 bnchs; tay became an actual nazi
08:50 matey; hehehe
08:50 bnchs; and racist
08:50 matey; good thing they shut it down before ibm thought of hiring
08:50 bnchs; maybe part 4chan part
08:51 bnchs; part 4chan fault*
08:51 matey; maybe
08:51 matey; i dont know, i think they made an extremely useful point about machine learning, even if that wasnt the intention
08:51 bnchs; it learns off of tweets
08:52 matey; a point that is extremely relevant to systems like compas which are actually in production
08:52 matey; and unlike tay are actually ruining peoples lives
08:52 bnchs; how?
08:53 matey; are you familiar with compas?
08:53 matey; its meant to assist judges in sentencing
08:53 bnchs; oh
08:53 matey; but like so much tech they end up letting the computer do the job for them
08:53 matey; "computer says no"
08:53 bnchs; what if compas has a backdoor
08:54 matey; the frontdoor is pretty bad
08:54 matey; but thats a fair point
08:54 matey; the frontdoor is bias and bad design
08:54 bnchs; make compas say not guilty
08:54 matey; not unlike tay
08:54 matey; the problem with compas is sort of the opposite of what dfc complains about
08:55 matey; it amplifies biased and racist decision making
08:55 bnchs; just like tay
08:55 matey; yes, i wasnt making that part up
08:55 bnchs; or any other AI
08:55 matey; potentially yes
08:55 matey; ai can maximise anything in human decision making
08:56 matey; including stupidity and hatred
08:56 bnchs; i mean theres ai photo taggers that tagged black people as "gorilla"
08:56 matey; but it also encourages superficiality, which is the mechanism behind bigotry
08:56 matey; i mean theres ai photo taggers that tagged <- lovely
08:58 bnchs; it would be very hard to train AI how to differentiate between gorilla and black people
08:58 matey; im not convinced
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 40.95 k/sec., IPFS upstream 73.81 average k/sec., average swarm size 405.43
08:59 matey; i think the easiest way to get to that point is insuffiicent training
09:00 bnchs; yeah
09:00 bnchs; poor training data
09:00 matey; if you train it mostly with data of white people, and throw in a few others, it might stupidly lump the exceptions together
09:00 matey; they added a sort of debugger to one machine learning platform
09:01 matey; to see how it could tell a dog from a wolf
09:01 matey; and they had it show the part of the image it was using in its decision making
09:01 matey; turned out the algorithm had latched onto the idea that snow around the animal meant wolf
09:01 matey; so it was actually making the decision based on the backgrond, not even the foreground
09:02 matey; there needs to be more research like that
09:02 matey; to show the limitations of machine learning
09:02 bnchs; even then
09:02 bnchs; just use your brain
09:02 matey; of course, this assumes such research wont be fought tooth and nail by companies that are heavily invested in the technology
09:03 bnchs; you're not gonna tag like 1000000 images
09:03 bnchs; just use your brain and not AI
09:03 matey; theres still a fallacy that ai will be "more fair" than humans
09:03 matey; or that it already is
09:03 matey; this fallacy goes back decades
09:03 bnchs; yeah sure
09:03 matey; and can be refuted (even today) with four letters
09:03 bnchs; teach the ai to be biased
09:04 matey; gigo
09:04 bnchs; it becomes biased
09:04 matey; exactly
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09:05 matey; if the dog/wolf machine had been trained with more images of wolves in grass or laying around in a dog bed
09:05 matey; maybe it wouldnt have
09:05 matey; then again if theres a wolf in a dog bed, thats not typical at all
09:06 matey; so if you want ai to be accurate
09:06 matey; you have to figure out what data will make it accurate before you even train it
09:06 matey; you have to think of so many things the ai is supposed to think of for you
09:07 matey; otherwise the training will be crap
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09:07 matey; and down the line lead to big errors
09:07 matey; like a dog in snow is a wolf
09:07 matey; or a wolf laying in bed is grandma
09:07 matey; they should call it the little red riding hood problem
09:08 matey; because it doesnt understand that grandma doesnt have giant teeth, it wasnt trained for that distinction
09:09 matey; if grandma has giant teeth then it could be a wolf
09:11 bnchs; more like why the fuck
09:11 bnchs; would you edit a wolf as a grandma
09:11 bnchs; just to train ai
09:12 matey; the point is that you wouldnt
09:12 matey; but as a result, the ai wouldnt know the difference
09:13 matey; just like little red riding hood
09:13 matey; she should have taken one step in the door and said "fuck no" and run away
09:13 matey; instead shes like "grandma, what big teeth you have"
09:13 matey; "thats because im a fucking wolf, n00b"
09:13 matey; ai is only as good as its training
09:14 matey; and how can you anticipate all these things that its supposed to distinguish?
09:14 matey; you cant, so bias is going to be as bad or worse than a humans
09:14 matey; humans are trained with a lifetime of data
09:14 matey; ai? much less
09:14 matey; most real people would know a wolf in a grandma costume at first glance
09:14 matey; but not an ai-- its a silly example of a real problem
09:15 matey; you could call it the clark kent problem too
09:15 matey; though maybe the face recognition would be better trained
09:15 matey; and ignore the glasses and suit vs the cape
09:15 matey; it just depends on the data
09:16 TR News; "Now is a great time for the web! I've seen more interesting projects turn up in the last year than I can count, and I feel like we're just getting started." http://www.powazek.com/zoom/log/archive/00000362.shtml
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09:16 TR Bot; log who you calling boring, punk?
09:17 TR News; "Carrey said Smith shouldve been escorted out of the Oscars ceremony after he slapped Rock." https://variety.com/2022/film/news/jim-carrey-slams-hollywood-will-smith-standing-ovation-slap-1235217924/
09:17 Alternative link; Cloudflare: variety.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://variety.com/2022/film/news/jim-carrey-slams-hollywood-will-smith-standing-ovation-slap-1235217924/
09:17 TR Bot; Carrey Slams Hollywood for Will Smith Standing Ovation After Slap - Variety
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09:21 TR News; Doctor fired from ER warns about effect of for-profit firms on U.S. health care https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/doctor-fired-er-warns-effect-profit-firms-us-health-care-rcna19975
09:21 TR Bot; Doctor fired from ER warns about effect of for-profit firms on U.S. health care
09:25 TR News; "Roughly $625 million worth of cryptocurrency has been stolen from Ronin, the blockchain underlying popular crypto game Axie Infinity." https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/29/23001620/sky-mavis-axie-infinity-ronin-blockchain-validation-defi-hack-nft
09:25 TR Bot; Hack steals $625 million from NFT game Axie Infinitys Ronin blockchain - The Verge
09:26 TR News; "The FTC is also asking a federal court to immediately halt "deceptive advertising" immediately, the agency said in a statement." https://thehill.com/policy/technology/600252-ftc-sues-intuit-over-turbotax-free-filing-ad-campaign
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09:26 TR Bot; sues Intuit over TurboTax 'free' filing ad campaign | TheHill
09:26 TR News; Ubiquiti files case against security blogger Krebs over 'false accusations
09:26 TR Bot; - Ubiquiti files case against security blogger Krebs over 'false accusations'
09:26 TR News; "Ubiquiti, a maker of wireless LAN and WiFi routers and access points, has filed a case against former Washington Post employee Brian Krebs" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/ubiquiti-files-case-against-security-blogger-krebs-over-false-accusations.html
09:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/ubiquiti-files-case-against-security-blogger-krebs-over-false-accusations.html
09:27 TR News; "The Mandiant report was leaked to American website TechCrunch by Demirkapi earlier and the site carried a report based on it" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/zoom-sacks-sec-researcher-for-posting-okta-breach-report-on-twitter.html
09:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/zoom-sacks-sec-researcher-for-posting-okta-breach-report-on-twitter.html
09:27 TR Bot; - Zoom sacks sec researcher for posting Okta breach report on Twitter
09:29 matey; im sure theres very little difference between an ai trained with "just enough data" (presumed to be) and a human thats been brainwashed
09:29 matey; in terms of quality of decision making
09:29 matey; just distinguishing between x or y
09:35 TR News; "I am pleased that we found an agreement in principle on a new framework for transatlantic data flows." https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-us-strike-preliminary-deal-to-unlock-transatlantic-data-flows/
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09:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: politico.eu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-us-strike-preliminary-deal-to-unlock-transatlantic-data-flows/
09:35 TR Bot; EU, US strike preliminary deal to unlock transatlantic data flows POLITICO
09:35 TR News; GOOD!! "Facebook owner Meta said on Tuesday it was suspending plans to build a giant data centre in the Netherlands" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/data-center/facebook-owner-meta-puts-plans-to-build-dutch-data-centre-on-ice/90531729
09:36 TR Bot; Facebook: Facebook owner Meta puts plans to build Dutch data centre on ice, CIO News, ET CIO
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09:41 TR News; "discovery of numerous effects that are used to make bombs and the mens movements on social media and the internet" https://cphpost.dk/?p=132761
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09:41 TR Bot; Two men found guilty of planning a terrorist attack on the Tour de France - The Post
09:44 matey; i was thinking about one of the failures of the fsf today
09:44 matey; or maybe failure is too strong a word, maybe they simply havent managed it yet (this doesnt mean theyre likely to make progress)
09:45 matey; but theyve made progress on free drivers, to be sure
09:45 matey; as long as we are talking about x86
09:45 matey; if we take the philosophy (one im mostly sympathetic to and certainly prefer) of the fsf on free drivers
09:46 TR News; "Fifty countries get more than a tenth of their power from wind and solar sources" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-60917445 that's VERY little and probably does not include vehicles, industry etc.
=> ↺ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-60917445
09:46 TR Bot; Climate change: Wind and solar reach milestone as demand surges - BBC News
09:46 matey; and you can blame this on oems, i dont mean failure in the same sense as "blame"
09:46 matey; just failure as the opposite of success
09:46 matey; the fsf is hardly poised to make a lot of progress in terms of various computers
09:47 matey; like a raspi can be free as long as you attach a second video adapter (usb?) that has a free driver for it
09:48 TR News; "Controversial legislation on free speech on English campuses" https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/english-free-speech-bill-stalls-ministers-remain-committed
09:48 TR Bot; Englands campus free speech bill stalls | Times Higher Education (THE)
09:48 matey; i think the bootloader depends on the model
09:48 matey; i could be wrong about this, id love to be. but on x86 its like-- okay, so your wifi isnt free, attach a usb wifi adapter and youre libre now
09:48 TR News; "Emmy-nominated show I hosted for six years for RT America and RT International, has been disappeared from YouTube." https://scheerpost.com/2022/03/28/hedges-on-being-disappeared/
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09:48 TR Bot; On Being Disappeared scheerpost.com
09:49 matey; the more we move from x86, the less sure the future of this approach seems. again, this isnt the fault of the fsf so much as the oems
09:49 matey; it seems unlikely to fix itself though, and thats bad
09:49 matey; maybe there will be a breakthrough
09:49 matey; but its like free computing-- provided most computers are avoided
09:50 matey; that seems to be the path weve been on since android devices came out
09:51 TR News; Lesson of the story: DO NOT OUTSOURCE to 'free' video hosting. Final lesson: Gulagtube is IMPERIALISM. Repeat that. Gulagtube is IMPERIALISM. https://scheerpost.com/2022/03/28/hedges-on-being-disappeared/
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09:51 matey; as usual the hardware people seem to know more about this problem than the fsf, but this problem goes back for many years
09:51 matey; i dont think the freedom ladder does much about this other than making the problem seem destined to get better-- where better is we all end up on x86 when we are "ready" to be fully free
09:52 TR News; [Old] "Perhaps at this moment you are saying to yourself what the hell has all this got to do with the Academy Awards?" https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/packages/html/movies/bestpictures/godfather-ar3.html
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09:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/packages/html/movies/bestpictures/godfather-ar3.html
09:52 TR Bot; The New York Times: Best Pictures
09:52 matey; its a very large pothole on the road to freedom-- maybe the kind mincer talked about hungary
09:52 matey; the car-nivorous variety
09:53 TR News; "When it came to picking what nationwide organization to join, the leaders of what is now the [SweatshopZone] Labor Union" https://thehill.com/policy/technology/600279-staten-island-amazon-workers-chart-their-own-path-in-union-drive
09:53 TR Bot; Island Amazon workers chart their own path in union drive | TheHill
09:54 TR News; euractiv, bribed by famous criminal bill gates, on "rightsholders" [sic] [sic] and "the gatekeepers designated under the DMA" https://www.euractiv.com/section/digital/news/dma-eu-negotiators-split-on-whether-text-covers-access-conditions-for-rightsholders/
09:54 TR Bot; EU negotiators split on whether text covers remuneration for rightsholders EURACTIV.com
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10:09 TR News; "Solar lights are a popular garden decoration." https://hackaday.com/2022/03/29/you-can-turn-soft-drink-bottles-into-handy-solar-lamps/
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10:09 TR Bot; Can Turn Soft Drink Bottles Into Handy Solar Lamps | Hackaday
10:12 TR News; Props to ASUS for marketing repairability as a selling point of their product! https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/props-to-asus-for-marketing:8 Source: rossmanngroup
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10:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/props-to-asus-for-marketing:8
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10:12 TR Bot; Props to ASUS for marketing repairability as a selling point of their product!
10:13 TR News; Attorney General says Right to Repair IS CONSTITUTIONAL: John Deere lie justifies bill https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/attorney-general-says-right-to-repair-is:c Source: rossmanngroupral-says-right-to-repair-is:c
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10:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/attorney-general-says-right-to-repair-is:c
10:13 TR Bot; Attorney General says Right to Repair IS CONSTITUTIONAL: John Deere lie justifies bill
10:13 TR News; Were Being Screwed by Mobile Carriers...because of 5G! https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/carrier-service:9 Source: RobBraxmanTech
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10:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/carrier-service:9
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10:13 TR Bot; We're Being Screwed by Mobile Carriers...because of 5G!
10:14 TR News; US culture sinking to new lows https://boingboing.net/2022/03/29/watch-sickened-jim-carrey-has-strong-reaction-to-will-smiths-slap-at-the-oscars.html
10:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: boingboing.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://boingboing.net/2022/03/29/watch-sickened-jim-carrey-has-strong-reaction-to-will-smiths-slap-at-the-oscars.html
10:14 TR Bot; Watch: "Sickened" Jim Carrey has strong reaction to Will Smith's slap at the Oscars | Boing Boing
10:17 schestowitz-TR; [09:51] as usual the hardware people seem to know more about this problem than the fsf, but this problem goes back for many years
10:17 schestowitz-TR; sometimes I wonder...
10:17 schestowitz-TR; If I submitted a talk (I never submit talks in CfP BTW)
10:17 schestowitz-TR; and it was titled
10:18 schestowitz-TR; the conflict between free speech and free software regulated for corporate compliance
10:18 schestowitz-TR; what would be the outcome?
10:18 schestowitz-TR; if they say no, they can be criticised
10:18 schestowitz-TR; if they say yes,
10:18 schestowitz-TR; some people would throw their hands in the air and protest
10:18 schestowitz-TR; so the subject becomes a sacred cow
10:19 matey; free software - free speech = software
10:19 schestowitz-TR; free speech + software = clown
10:19 schestowitz-TR; like gulagtube
10:20 schestowitz-TR; https://scheerpost.com/2022/03/28/hedges-on-being-disappeared/
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10:20 TR Bot; On Being Disappeared scheerpost.com
10:20 matey; i dont think clown can be one the right side of that equation if free speech is on the left and not being subtracted
10:21 matey; clown = censorship * (!0)
10:21 schestowitz-TR; clown = conditional, temporary 'free'
10:21 schestowitz-TR; like freenode
10:21 schestowitz-TR; now known as libera.chat
10:21 schestowitz-TR; it's libera
10:21 schestowitz-TR; if we agree with you
10:21 matey; almost any speech is temporrarily free
10:21 schestowitz-TR; or in freenode
10:21 schestowitz-TR; it's about freedom
10:21 schestowitz-TR; just don't be republican or something
10:22 schestowitz-TR; and it's temporary
10:22 matey; i mean you can go right up to putin and say "imma kill you right now motherfucker" and youll be free until the bullets hit
10:22 schestowitz-TR; one day the whole thing collapses like identi.ca and joindiapora.com
10:23 matey; most censorship takes AT LEAST seconds to go into effect-- sometimes years
10:23 TR News; Capitalism's endgame https://robertreich.org/post/680086256324165632
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10:23 TR Bot; Robert Reich (The Rise of the Centibillionaires! The word...)
10:23 matey; also im not arguing that threatening someone is free speech
10:23 matey; only that there is basically zero censorship for at least seconds, in most instances
10:24 TR News; Die, poor people https://www.thenation.com/article/society/covid-uninsured/ see https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/
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10:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/society/covid-uninsured/
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10:24 TR Bot; Covid-19 Coverage for the Uninsured Is Ending | The Nation
10:24 TR Bot; While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The Nation
10:24 matey; if its completely automatic and electronic, less than seconds-- but most censorship takes longer to go into effect
10:24 schestowitz-TR; meanwhile, oscars became jerry springer show
10:25 matey; i stopped paying attention when milk lost best picture
10:25 matey; that was a while ago
10:25 schestowitz; https://variety.com/2022/film/news/jim-carrey-slams-hollywood-will-smith-standing-ovation-slap-1235217924/
10:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: variety.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://variety.com/2022/film/news/jim-carrey-slams-hollywood-will-smith-standing-ovation-slap-1235217924/
10:25 TR Bot; Carrey Slams Hollywood for Will Smith Standing Ovation After Slap - Variety
10:26 matey; jim carrey gets weirder all the time
10:26 schestowitz-TR; carrey is canadian, right (still)
10:26 schestowitz-TR; also, I agree with him
10:26 schestowitz-TR; some people get away with violence
10:26 schestowitz-TR; because they're "the good guys"
10:26 schestowitz-TR; remember
10:26 schestowitz-TR; malware has a new name
10:26 schestowitz-TR; "protestware"
10:26 schestowitz-TR; malware is GOOD
10:26 schestowitz-TR; stuxnet good
10:26 schestowitz-TR; malware from Microsoft?
10:27 schestowitz-TR; "open source"
10:27 schestowitz-TR; don't blame Microsoft
10:27 schestowitz-TR; and it's protest... "for the lols"
10:27 schestowitz-TR; Smith just assaulted him "for the lols"
10:27 schestowitz-TR; you know what we saw about countries where comedians are assaulted for "offence"
10:28 schestowitz-TR; a lot of humour is based on offense
10:28 schestowitz-TR; mind offence
10:28 schestowitz-TR; whenn harry wet sally
10:29 matey; oh wow
10:29 matey; this is just a complete clusterfuck from every single angle
10:29 TR News; And it's not inflation. It's just theft. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/29/us-oil-companies-set-reap-126-billion-extra-profits-amid-war-ukraine
10:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/29/us-oil-companies-set-reap-126-billion-extra-profits-amid-war-ukraine
10:29 TR Bot; US Oil Companies Set to Reap Up to $126 Billion in Extra Profits Amid War on Ukraine
10:29 matey; this would be less than 10% of what it now is
10:29 matey; if there were any adults left on the planet
10:30 matey; first of all, theres zero need for chris rock to call the police on another celebrity slapping him. zero. which he didnt do. but carrey is silly.
10:31 TR News; USSA https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/29/biden-wants-give-163-times-more-us-military-global-pandemic-response
10:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/29/biden-wants-give-163-times-more-us-military-global-pandemic-response
10:31 TR Bot; Biden Wants to Give 163 Times More to US Military Than to Global Pandemic Response
10:31 matey; second, a standing ovation is just as ridiculous
10:31 matey; third, there was no need from that from chris rock either... but...
10:31 matey; hes a comedian that makes a lot of offensive jokes
10:31 matey; thats a given
10:32 matey; there have been entire plotlines centred around the offensiveness of quoting (specifically) chris rock
10:32 schestowitz-TR; yes, mild offense
10:32 matey; so overreacting to that is also silly
10:32 schestowitz-TR; typo earlier ("mind")
10:32 schestowitz-TR; it's getting hard to be funny
10:32 schestowitz-TR; as someone might get offended
10:32 matey; and i dont know if the slap from smith was really angry or just a joke
10:33 matey; either way there was no need for police (and they werent called)
10:33 schestowitz-TR; remember what jim does for a living
10:33 schestowitz-TR; he too makes jokes
10:33 schestowitz-TR; did for decades
10:33 matey; yeah but people become less funny when they become a daddy
10:33 schestowitz-TR; so unlike smith, who was never funny (not even in fresh prince), he sees this as a bad direction
10:33 schestowitz-TR; jerry seinfeld said the same
10:33 matey; for example, dana carvey lost about 95% of his edge
10:33 schestowitz-TR; their occupation is being blacklisted
10:34 schestowitz-TR; oh, oops
10:34 schestowitz-TR; I said blacklisted
10:34 matey; so unlike smith, who was never funny <- oh i love smith
10:34 matey; though hes not much of a comedian its true
10:34 schestowitz-TR; don't tell cosmo kramer.... but his tirade was tuly disgusting and now humour
10:34 matey; oh yeah that was just a pointless racist tirade
10:34 matey; he just flipped the fuck out and started yelling about black people
10:35 matey; remember what jim does for a living <- does he still do anything for a living?
10:35 schestowitz-TR; not quite
10:35 schestowitz-TR; he was provoked by someone in the audience
10:36 schestowitz-TR; not that it makes it OK
10:36 schestowitz-TR; the context matters a little
10:36 matey; context always matters
10:36 matey; without context there is no meaning
10:36 schestowitz-TR; [10:35] remember what jim does for a living <- does he still do anything for a living?
10:36 schestowitz-TR; SNL
10:36 matey; does he write for them or something?
10:36 matey; i havent followed his career in a decade
10:37 schestowitz-TR; wait..
10:37 matey; take your time
10:37 schestowitz-TR; he does politics
10:37 matey; """politics""" ?
10:37 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsije1KetVw
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10:37 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Wsije1KetVw
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10:37 TR Bot; ( status 500 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Wsije1KetVw )
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10:37 schestowitz; jim can become target og violent trump fans
10:39 matey; unless it was something really painful for jada, smith should have just laughed
10:40 schestowitz-TR; look at rick gervais
10:40 matey; i dated someone years ago who shaved her head later (african, as in born and grew up there, so this is more common in terms of fashion) but she looked great without hair
10:40 schestowitz-TR; he 'killed'
10:41 matey; there was a bald woman in the star trek film who everyone (including sulu) was desperately attracted to
10:41 SomeH4x0r; I see nicknames, not faces
10:41 schestowitz; https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/ricky-gervais-will-smith-oscars-alopecia-b2045788.html
10:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: independent.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/ricky-gervais-will-smith-oscars-alopecia-b2045788.html
10:41 TR Bot; Ricky Gervais appears to comment on Will Smith Oscars drama as he shares The Office joke about alopecia | The Independent
10:41 matey; and of course, the only thing unattractive about sinead is shes nuts
10:42 *BTcoIn (~5fd6349c@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights
10:42 SomeH4x0r; hi
10:42 schestowitz; https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/awards/oscars/ricky-gervais-fires-up-at-oscars-hypocrisy/news-story/e211377e69ddb1b42fe2a44957a8747f
10:42 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/awards/oscars/ricky-gervais-fires-up-at-oscars-hypocrisy/news-story/e211377e69ddb1b42fe2a44957a8747f )
10:42 SomeH4x0r; Clownflare KiwiIRC evil!
10:42 BTcoIn; you are evil
10:42 matey; look at rick gervais <- omg jokes about the holocaust that made seinfeld look tame, and hes not even jewish
10:42 matey; gervais must have a god or something looking out for him, i dont know how he gets away with it
10:42 SomeH4x0r; maybe I am too
10:43 BTcoIn; what jokes?
10:43 BTcoIn; any good one?
10:43 matey; no fucking way am i going to try to repeat here
10:43 schestowitz; https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10662937/Ricky-Gervais-pokes-fun-Smiths-Oscars-meltdown-shares-alopecia-joke-Office.html
10:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: dailymail.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10662937/Ricky-Gervais-pokes-fun-Smiths-Oscars-meltdown-shares-alopecia-joke-Office.html
10:43 TR Bot; Ricky Gervais pokes fun at Will Smith's Oscars meltdown as he shares alopecia joke from The Office | Daily Mail Online
10:43 BTcoIn; why?
10:43 BTcoIn; are you racist?
10:43 matey; what?
10:43 schestowitz; https://www.nme.com/news/film/ricky-gervais-reckons-his-golden-globes-speech-ruined-his-oscars-chances-2928130
10:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nme.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nme.com/news/film/ricky-gervais-reckons-his-golden-globes-speech-ruined-his-oscars-chances-2928130
10:43 TR Bot; Ricky Gervais thinks his Golden Globes speech ruined his Oscars chances
10:43 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc9q_ddBMhI
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10:43 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gc9q_ddBMhI
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10:43 matey; i dont follow
10:43 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Ricky Gervais Reveals How He Would've Opened The Oscars, Reacts To Will Smith Slapping Chris Rock - Invidious
10:44 BTcoIn; cause you are dumb
10:44 matey; new troll, yay
10:44 schestowitz-TR; [10:41] and of course, the only thing unattractive about sinead is shes nuts
10:44 BTcoIn; its the fuy from the office thing
10:44 schestowitz-TR; some people get attention this way
10:44 schestowitz-TR; they need the limelight
10:44 matey; i think shes legitimately nuts
10:44 schestowitz-TR; to avoid going on narcotics
10:44 schestowitz-TR; shave head
10:44 schestowitz-TR; convert to islam
10:45 BTcoIn; and people like you give it to then
10:45 schestowitz-TR; name the most crazy idea... justDoIt(r)
10:45 BTcoIn; how dumb ca you be?
10:45 schestowitz-TR; Ricky Gervais I did that several times I think
10:45 schestowitz-TR; there used to be a medley of all the Ricky Gervais bits
10:45 schestowitz-TR; it was so offensive and hilarious
10:45 matey; gervais is definitely a comedy genius
10:45 schestowitz-TR; and they got shots of the faces of folks he spoke about
10:46 matey; on the verge of being a comedy terrorist
10:46 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR6UeVptzRg
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10:46 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=sR6UeVptzRg
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10:46 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Ricky Gervais at the Golden Globes 2020 - All of his bits chained - Invidious
10:47 BTcoIn; a comedy terrorist ?^LOL thats a good one
10:47 BTcoIn; why is not funny at all?
10:47 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJOb9xHggS4
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10:47 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=iJOb9xHggS4
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10:47 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Ricky Gervais Golden Globes 2020 (Uncensored, HD) - Invidious
10:47 matey; carlin used to say that his occupation was originally called "fool"
10:47 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5ATl5X3EIE
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10:47 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=v5ATl5X3EIE
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10:47 TR Bot; yewtu.be | All of Ricky Gervais Golden Globe Roast Compilation 2010 - 2020 - Invidious
10:47 schestowitz; very funny
10:47 matey; the court jester was the one person who could openly talk shit about the king to his face and he might not be executed
10:47 schestowitz-TR; matey: JESTER
10:47 schestowitz-TR; SURELY YOU JEST
10:47 BTcoIn; stop spamming yt videos
10:48 BTcoIn; do you work at google?
10:48 schestowitz-TR; anyway, me back to links
10:48 schestowitz-TR; BTcoIn: the people who UPLOAD there might
10:48 schestowitz-TR; I don't upload there
10:48 schestowitz-TR; as it gives them a monopoly on "content"
10:49 TR News; Refusing to kill people isnt a crime https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/30/refusing-to-kill-people-isn-t-a-crime
=> ↺ https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/30/refusing-to-kill-people-isn-t-a-crime
10:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/30/refusing-to-kill-people-isn-t-a-crime
10:49 TR Bot; NO TITLE
10:49 BTcoIn; tic gervais is right on the money
10:49 TR News; Brave Journalists... https://meduza.io/en/slides/ukraine-s-10-point-plan
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10:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/slides/ukraine-s-10-point-plan
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10:49 TR Bot; NO TITLE
10:49 BTcoIn; nvm racisme try rich poor discrimination instead
10:50 BTcoIn; or educated / uneducated
10:50 BTcoIn; or beutifull / uglly
10:51 TR News; They should also go after Microsoft executives for their massive crimes (much worse) https://www.propublica.org/article/ftc-sues-to-stop-deceptive-turbotax-free-ad-campaign
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10:51 Alternative link; Cloudflare: propublica.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.propublica.org/article/ftc-sues-to-stop-deceptive-turbotax-free-ad-campaign
10:51 TR Bot; FTC Sues to Stop Deceptive TurboTax Free Ad Campaign ProPublica
10:51 BTcoIn; who needs racisme anymore
10:51 matey; the ovation wasnt even for the slap, it was for winning best actor
10:52 matey; carrey should stick to comedy, its what hes good at
10:52 TR News; proprietary garbage: How Your Shadow Credit Score Could Decide Whether You Get an Apartment https://www.propublica.org/article/how-your-shadow-credit-score-could-decide-whether-you-get-an-apartment Source: propublica
10:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: propublica.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.propublica.org/article/how-your-shadow-credit-score-could-decide-whether-you-get-an-apartment
10:52 TR Bot; How Your Shadow Credit Score Could Decide Whether You Get an Apartment ProPublica
10:53 matey; hes about as good at politics as michael jordan was at baseball
10:53 TR News; Links 29/03/2022: GNU Poke 2.2 and Official Video Release for LibrePlanet 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/gnu-poke-2-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/30/gnu-poke-2-2/
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10:53 TR Bot; Links 29/03/2022: GNU Poke 2.2 and Official Video Release for LibrePlanet 2022 | Techrights
10:54 schestowitz-TR; matey: he did biden at snl
10:54 schestowitz-TR; I put a link earlier
10:54 schestowitz-TR; i always found him funny
10:54 schestowitz-TR; "smoooooookeeeeen!!!"
10:54 matey; hes funny
10:54 matey; hes a good actor
10:54 matey; hes not so great at what hes doing now
10:55 schestowitz-TR; halle berry sobbed
10:55 schestowitz-TR; will smith slapped
10:55 schestowitz-TR; smith did many other controversial thingsa
10:55 matey; whyyyy
10:55 schestowitz-TR; and spread misinformation
10:55 schestowitz-TR; I've lost count
10:56 matey; he did a stint with scientology i think
10:56 matey; but i dont think he joined-joined
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10:56 TR News; "One of the central justifications for copyright is that it is indispensable if creativity is to be viable. Without it, we are assured, artists would starve." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/29/copyright-is-indispensable-for-artists-they-say-but-for-all-artists-or-just-certain-kinds
10:56 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/29/copyright-is-indispensable-for-artists-they-say-but-for-all-artists-or-just-certain-kinds
10:56 TR Bot; Is Indispensable For Artists, They Say; But For All Artists, Or Just Certain Kinds? | Techdirt
10:56 matey; i think he promoted them briefly, so they kept singing the theme to fresh prince at the chanology protests
10:57 schestowitz-TR; just to be clear, this is on topic
10:57 matey; rofl
10:57 schestowitz-TR; because it relates to free speech
10:57 schestowitz-TR; and how in freesw it's becoming hard to express dissent
10:57 matey; i dont disagree
10:57 schestowitz-TR; this whole "safe space" thing
10:57 *inky (~inky@31.7.162.99) has joined #techrights
10:57 schestowitz-TR; like RMS interrupting is "assault" almost...
10:58 schestowitz-TR; RMS never slapped anyone
10:58 schestowitz-TR; well maybe not in public
10:58 matey; i was happy (though mixed feelings) to see rms speaking at lp even while asking questions
10:58 schestowitz-TR; he has a talk coming up
10:58 matey; oh im counting the days
10:59 schestowitz-TR; i think fsf is trying to quiet down the people who said he isn't talking this year
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 56.28 k/sec., IPFS upstream 17.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 285.00
10:59 matey; its the biggest thing on my calendar
10:59 matey; i think fsf is trying to quiet down the people who said he isn't talking this year <- thats a reasonable assessment
10:59 matey; i dont know if its true, but its reasonable speculation (and could be true)
10:59 matey; it could have been already planned
11:00 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, March 29, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/irc-log-290322/ Source: Techrights | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/30/irc-log-290322/
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11:00 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, March 29, 2022 | Techrights
11:00 matey; of course in your article you put "so he is talking every year, either at lp or close to it"
11:00 matey; something like that, i can find the exact wording but since im sure youre familiar...
11:00 schestowitz; matey: http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/richard-stallman-libreplanet/
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11:01 TR Bot; FSF Announces Post-LibrePlanet Speech by Richard Stallman | Techrights
11:01 schestowitz; some people from ukraine asked also
11:01 matey; im eager to see what he says in april
11:01 matey; but im going in with low expectations
11:01 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/01/rms-libreplanet-enigma/
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11:01 TR Bot; Richard Stallman and LibrePlanet | Techrights
11:01 schestowitz; same day we published this they announced the new ED of FSF
11:01 schestowitz; which they had chosen last year already
11:01 matey; being wrong wouldnt bother me-- i think i was mostly (perhaps almost entirely) wrong about the gerwitz talk
11:01 matey; im grateful
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11:02 schestowitz; zhttp://techrights.org/2022/03/03/from-ukraine-with-love/
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11:02 matey; same day we published this they announced the new ED of FSF <- im calling it a coincidence
11:02 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/03/from-ukraine-with-love/
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11:02 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/01/libreplanet-2022-without-rms/
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11:02 TR Bot; Message to LibrePlanet (From Ukraine) Censored But Not Ignored | Techrights
11:02 TR Bot; Personal Views and Hypothesis About the Relationship Between the FSF and Richard Stallman (RMS) in LibrePlanet 2022 | Techrights
11:02 schestowitz; matey: yes, likely a coincidence
11:02 schestowitz; by default
11:02 matey; but you never know
11:03 *inky (~inky@31.7.162.99) has joined #techrights
11:03 matey; they finally added cc0 to the gpl compatible list shortly after i bothered them about it
11:03 matey; and i "bothered" them nicely/cordially
11:03 matey; ill never know if the two had anything to do with each other. its a known fact they were already working on it (for a long time)
11:04 matey; then karl fogel fucked up the osi side of it
11:04 matey; making special pleading arguments AGAINST cc0
11:04 matey; which were just stupid. to cancel cc0 from osi they had to hold it to a higher standard than other gpl-compatible licenses
11:04 matey; complete sabotage-- probably not deliberate, but very stupid
11:05 matey; so only "sabotage" in terms of bungling, not "real" sabotage
11:05 TR News; "In Wisconsin, the states top court says [PDF] cops dont need to worry too much about suppressed evidence" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/29/wisconsin-supreme-court-sees-nothing-wrong-with-cops-acquiring-evidence-a-court-had-already-suppressed/
11:05 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/29/wisconsin-supreme-court-sees-nothing-wrong-with-cops-acquiring-evidence-a-court-had-already-suppressed/
11:05 TR Bot; Supreme Court Sees Nothing Wrong With Cops Acquiring Evidence A Court Had Already Suppressed | Techdirt
11:05 matey; so cc0 is public domain, in every sense
11:05 matey; but not open source.
11:06 matey; its also gpl compatible
11:06 matey; but not open source
11:06 TR News; Grifters (thieves) https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/29/elon-musks-starlink-gets-even-more-expensive/
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11:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/29/elon-musks-starlink-gets-even-more-expensive/
11:06 TR Bot; Musks Starlink Gets Even More Expensive | Techdirt
11:06 matey; and this was a long time ago, allegedly before osi became ridiculous (but it was always ridiculous)
11:07 matey; all osi really did was fuck finland out of a swath of free software projects being able to say they were using an osi-approved open source liense
11:07 matey; while spreading fud that was legally and factually bunk.
11:08 matey; but it also meant that cc0 was a line that (arbitrarily, without any good reason) divided free software and open source licensing. there were worse examples of this.
11:09 matey; there was some bs nasa license that fsf correctly rejected and osi welcomed with open arms, being a bunch of tools
11:09 matey; it wasnt a free license.
11:09 matey; but osi has their own reality, so
11:10 schestowitz-TR; i welcomed with open rms
11:10 schestowitz-TR; open....
11:10 matey; free+libre rms
11:10 matey; still not sure wtf / -> + happened
11:11 schestowitz-TR; rms fatrher of the github movement
11:11 matey; thats got to be the single most pedantic moment in the history of free software
11:11 matey; the github movement!
11:11 matey; inspired by the ibm movement
11:11 schestowitz-TR; lol
11:12 schestowitz-TR; microsoft, make a M.O.V.E.
11:12 schestowitz-TR; I was moved
11:13 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
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11:13 TR Bot; 1985 MOVE bombing - Wikipedia
11:13 matey; yes microsoft is an ororborus movement
11:13 BTcoIn; and google
11:13 matey; a turd that eats itself, symbolic of a company that will forever be shit
11:13 BTcoIn; thats google
11:13 matey; oh yes MOVE
11:14 matey; i read about that once
11:14 XRevan86; https://youtu.be/ApyXgB9I2f8 (English subtitles)
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11:14 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ApyXgB9I2f8
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11:14 TR Bot; yewtu.be | (English subs) / @ - Invidious
11:14 XRevan86; "Why [Russian] propaganda is making Russians hate Ukrainians"
11:15 matey; how many russians (ballpark percentage) are actually being fooled by this shit?
11:15 matey; is it half? 90%?
11:15 XRevan86; matey: Unknown.
11:15 TR News; Boycottt Gulagtube https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/29/digitally-disappeared-youtube-has-deleted-six-years-my-show
11:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/29/digitally-disappeared-youtube-has-deleted-six-years-my-show
11:15 TR Bot; Opinion | Digitally Disappeared: YouTube Has Deleted Six Years of My Show | Chris Hedges
11:15 matey; of course
11:15 matey; we could only guess, any poll would be rigged
11:16 matey; one way to guess would be to talk to a bunch of russians, ASSUME theyre all real and not gov keyboard warriors
11:16 matey; and extrapolate (with varying reliability) from there
11:16 XRevan86; matey: Even unrigged polls are deeply flawed because they can't distinguish people who just don't answer polls and people who fear answering the poll honestly.
11:16 matey; for example, i dont know any russian speakers who approve of putler
11:17 matey; but i think most ukranians speak russian so thats tells me very little
11:17 matey; i might simply not know any russians
11:17 XRevan86; matey: At least one.
11:17 matey; fair enough
11:17 matey; i suppose reactos is keeping quiet about this?
11:18 matey; or do they support ukr or something
11:18 matey; i know they have major russian contributors
11:18 BTcoIn; you dont sign online petitions?
11:18 matey; online petitions rarely accomplish anything
11:18 matey; ive signed one in a decade
11:18 BTcoIn; they accomplished brexit
11:18 matey; and it didnt even take
11:18 schestowitz-TR; they make lists of people
11:19 schestowitz-TR; like the anti-RMS letters
11:19 schestowitz-TR; these lists can become a liability to signers
11:19 matey; they accomplished brexit <- as i said, online petitions rarely accomplish anything
11:19 schestowitz-TR; and assets to intel agencies
11:19 schestowitz-TR; that's partly what social control media does
11:19 schestowitz-TR; it makes lists of people
11:19 schestowitz-TR; and classifies them
11:19 schestowitz-TR; like "self-checkout"
11:20 schestowitz-TR; "here," said the spies, "the interface works like this.... start typing family member and friends from elementary school"
11:20 XRevan86; matey: I don't have any insights into ReactOS, it's largely unimportant to me.
11:20 matey; XRevan86 <- same here, just curious
11:20 schestowitz-TR; "we'll give you "likes" to wank over..."
11:20 *BTcoIn is now known as BTcoInk
11:20 *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@k5ghkuun6w7re.irc) has joined #techrights
11:20 matey; can hardly blame you for being as uninformed about them as i am
11:21 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: we have one reactos dev here
11:21 schestowitz-TR; who said they'd welcome putin with flowers if or when he invades serbia
11:21 BTcoInk; this channel is right leaned
11:21 matey; rofl
11:21 XRevan86; Skimming through the website, it doesn't look like they've made any statement in any direction.
11:22 matey; this channel definitely leans left to the earth itself
11:22 schestowitz-TR; OS News did
11:22 matey; but the earth is a bit wobbly
11:22 schestowitz-TR; lots of polish sites did
11:22 schestowitz-TR; and polish projects, distros, dev companies
11:22 DaemonFC; mjg59_ says that the GPLv3 failed because it either forced companies to disarm or write their own software (which is usually too incompetent to even work at all, such as Apple SMBX) and face ridicule by people who need it to work, who will be forced to flee to something that still does work.
11:22 DaemonFC; I'd say it's a success either way.
11:23 DaemonFC; Apple losing access to Free Software doesn't hurt us, only them.
11:23 matey; id mostly agree
11:23 TR News; Theft https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/29/consumers-pay-oil-ceos-refuse-testify-congress-about-soaring-prices
11:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/29/consumers-pay-oil-ceos-refuse-testify-congress-about-soaring-prices
11:23 TR Bot; As Consumers Pay, Oil CEOs Refuse to Testify to Congress About Soaring Prices
11:23 matey; Apple losing access to Free Software doesn't hurt us, only them. <-
11:23 DaemonFC; The list of bugs in SMBX alone goes on and on. It is clearly not a replacement for Samba. It's designed so it looks like the Mac can still use SMB/CIFS.
11:24 DaemonFC; But then it just goes ahead and has a stroke when you try it.
11:24 matey; smbs
11:24 TR News; Quit calling fakecoins "crypto". Crypto has nothing to do with that scam. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/29/climate-groups-say-planetary-impacts-crypto-mining-could-be-reduced-99
11:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/29/climate-groups-say-planetary-impacts-crypto-mining-could-be-reduced-99
11:24 TR Bot; Climate Groups Say Planetary Impacts of Crypto Mining Could Be Reduced by 99%
11:25 DaemonFC; "Entire OS freezes because you tried to access a remote share with file thumbnails turned on." This is nice.
11:25 matey; sounds like a windows bug
11:25 matey; "it just works"
11:25 DaemonFC; "Try to use a modern version of SMB/CIFS and kernel panic."
11:25 matey; smbstemd
11:25 DaemonFC; Falls back to SMBv1, and Samba removes SMBv1 so the Mac cannot communicate with it.
11:25 matey; heh
11:26 DaemonFC; Samba: RAISE COMMUNICATIONS BARRIER! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!
11:26 DaemonFC; :)
11:26 schestowitz-TR; apple may be floundering
11:26 matey; broguht to you by the board of sfc
11:26 schestowitz-TR; but apple and the media are in spin mode
11:26 schestowitz-TR; I wonder how many middle class savers have tied their savings to that bubble
11:26 matey; apple may be floundering <- this will make it decidedly non-vegan
11:26 schestowitz-TR; they are going to lose everything
11:26 DaemonFC; There's only one reason to yank SMBv1 out of Samba.
11:26 schestowitz-TR; the rich investors have connectionsa
11:26 DaemonFC; And that's to harass Mac users.
11:26 schestowitz-TR; inside-trading
11:26 DaemonFC; Obviously, I think it's funnier than hell.
11:26 schestowitz-TR; they'll be the first to run away
11:26 DaemonFC; Because Samba still works with itself and with Windows.
11:27 DaemonFC; Those are what matter.
11:27 TR News; A guide for developers on #HowTo convert XML files to JSON Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163134
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11:27 TR Bot; A guide for developers on how to convert XML files to JSON | Tux Machines
11:27 TR News; Ubuntu MATE 22.04 Release Notes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163135
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11:27 TR Bot; Ubuntu MATE 22.04 Release Notes | Tux Machines
11:27 TR News; Extension Manager GNOME App Adds New Features, New Icon Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163136
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11:27 TR Bot; Extension Manager GNOME App Adds New Features, New Icon | Tux Machines
11:28 TR News; An Early Look at New Features in Thunderbird 102 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163137
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11:28 TR Bot; An Early Look at New Features in Thunderbird 102 | Tux Machines
11:28 TR News; AlmaLinux vs Rocky Linux: Which One to Choose? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163138
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11:28 TR Bot; AlmaLinux vs Rocky Linux: Which One to Choose? | Tux Machines
11:28 DaemonFC; By ditching old SMBv1 and uncommon extensions, they can force Apple to go back and fix SMBX when Apple was fine with calling what they had "done" -or- the Mac drops SMB support totally and has to stop pretending to be a real operating system on another front.
11:28 TR News; 33 Excellent KDE Plasma Widgets (Updated 2022) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163139
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11:28 TR Bot; 33 Excellent KDE Plasma Widgets (Updated 2022) | Tux Machines
11:29 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Jim "Buy Lehman Brothers Stock!" Cramer says Apple is fantastic.
11:29 TR News; This talk is titled Distributing freedom: How package managers empower software users, and was presented at LibrePlanet 2022 by Sebastian Crane. http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/sebastian-crane-distributed-freedom/
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11:29 TR Bot; Sebastian Crane on Distributed (Software) Freedom | Techrights
11:29 matey; eh, it still wasnt a real os before it dropped flash support
11:29 matey; one of the best things they ever did
11:29 matey; for all the wrong reasons, like everything else they do
11:29 DaemonFC; Flash for Android was pretty terrible.
11:30 DaemonFC; It wasn't designed for devices.
11:30 matey; it was designed for adobe hegemony
11:30 matey; i hated it for the same
11:30 matey; hey nice internet you have here, be a shame if we took it over on behalf of a single company
11:30 matey; fuck adobe
11:30 DaemonFC; Me when I go digging through an operating system: "Garbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhge!" starts throwing shit out
11:30 matey; fuck anything that even looks like adobe
11:31 DaemonFC; Most P2P networks still work.
11:31 DaemonFC; The only thing the RIAA lawyers did was plow the road and get rid of the super shitty proprietary clients that harmed the networks.
11:31 matey; Me when I go digging through an operating system: "Garbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhge!" starts throwing shit out <- everybody should do this
11:32 matey; whats more, every os should facilitate doing it
11:32 DaemonFC; They blew up Limewire. Gnutella still has Free clients.
11:32 matey; /me cant believe gnutella gets away with the name
11:32 DaemonFC; They blew up the various KAD network clients, but that's still there.
11:32 matey; but then again you dont put it on food
11:33 matey; at least not in any sense of trademark you dont
11:33 matey; puppy linux / puppy chow <- totally different trademarks, different holders, different scopes (yes puppy linux is trademarked)
11:33 matey; kauler holds it
11:33 schestowitz-TR; [11:29] schestowitz-TR, Jim "Buy Lehman Brothers Stock!" Cramer says Apple is fantastic.
11:33 schestowitz-TR; and IBM
11:34 schestowitz-TR; or Red Hat
11:34 DaemonFC; The reason I don't use legacy P2P networks is because the government likes to poison them. They put things like child pornography in there so they can bust people for it later and then everyone gets too scared that the new Spider Man movie is really CP or something.
11:34 DaemonFC; When you use BitTorrent trackers, people can comment on the torrent and say what's truly in it.
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11:34 matey; then everyone gets too scared that the new Spider Man movie is really CP or something <- the way hollywood is these days i wouldnt put it past them
11:35 schestowitz-TR; it would cause a scandal if they got caught
11:36 DaemonFC; That's why they don't get caught. :)
11:37 DaemonFC; There are pirate uploaders that are known never to put viruses and shit in their stuff.
11:37 DaemonFC; But there's also people who come along and stuff viruses in it and pretend to be that uploader.
11:37 DaemonFC; So you have to be really careful.
11:38 matey; there needs to be a trusted list of hashes for pirated films
11:38 matey; i realise how tricky that would be to maintain.
11:38 DaemonFC; NFTs!
11:38 matey; ROFL
11:38 matey; finally a use for them
11:38 schestowitz-TR; it would not work
11:39 schestowitz-TR; because you have derivatives
11:39 schestowitz-TR; that alter the hashes
11:39 schestowitz-TR; esp. to dodge being caught by hollywood
11:39 matey; you wouldnt trust the derivatives
11:39 matey; the tricky part is maintaining the list
11:39 matey; i would say its next to impossible
11:39 matey; but next to and impossible arent the same thing
11:39 DaemonFC; Yes, hello IRS! I would like to pay my NFT taxes. They are tokens that verify that this is the real FitGirl and that the new season of that TV show is NOT a guy fucking a horse....Please see the 8949 from my accountant as to their value. Thank you!
11:40 matey; i consider the nft example to be more hilarious than practical
11:40 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163140
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11:40 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
11:40 matey; solving how to pirate films isnt my area of expertise or a priority of mine
11:41 matey; but it would be nice
11:42 matey; and it would only solve it long enough for the arms race to continue
11:42 matey; either way i wish people would stop supporting hollywood (to the best of their ability)
11:42 DaemonFC; Apple TV's originals have been truly ho hum.
11:42 TR News; Thunderbird 102 is Getting Several Exciting New Features! Here Are 7 of Them http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163137#comment-33235
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11:42 TR Bot; An Early Look at New Features in Thunderbird 102 | Tux Machines
11:43 DaemonFC; I haven't seen a single "must watch" thing on there.
11:43 matey; /me has given up on tv
11:43 schestowitz-TR; sane here
11:43 DaemonFC; It's going the way of the music industry.
11:43 matey; if it isnt free to watch and trivial to download i do not care.
11:43 schestowitz-TR; 20+ years ago
11:43 matey; if its got ads i do not care.
11:43 schestowitz-TR; hollywood is embedded in everything
11:43 DaemonFC; They were talking about having AIs write scripts based on what movies grossed the most money.
11:44 matey; if it requires special equipment i do not care.
11:44 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC said netflix priced doubled in 5 years
11:44 DaemonFC; So sooner or later it really will all be the same, and instead of having blackbusters, they'll have a bunch of retreads competing with each other for the crumbs.
11:44 schestowitz-TR; I did not check
11:44 schestowitz-TR; but I heard they are hoking it AGAIN
11:44 schestowitz-TR; with password sharing as their excuses
11:45 schestowitz-TR; Netflix to DRM SERFS: YOU ARE PIRATES!!!! YOU WILL PAY FOR IT!
11:45 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, No, they're hiking it AND doing a trial run of "We caught you sharing passwords and that'll be another $4.".
11:45 matey; NO MOVIE FOR YOU!
11:45 schestowitz-TR; ah
11:45 matey; COME BACK, ONE YEAR!
11:46 schestowitz-TR; so you get punished twice for buying from "official" channels
11:46 schestowitz-TR; same for software in russia
11:46 schestowitz-TR; better to use WareZ and GameZ
11:46 matey; in putlers russia, netflix watches you
11:46 schestowitz-TR; at least the companies do not shut you out remoately
11:46 schestowitz-TR; those who pay get cutt off
11:46 schestowitz-TR; those who don't paint carry on
11:46 schestowitz-TR; *don't pay
11:47 matey; /me still thinks putlin is better
11:47 schestowitz-TR; [11:45] COME BACK, ONE YEAR!
11:47 schestowitz-TR; I used to have ALL seinfeld eps on my drive
11:47 DaemonFC; those who don't paint carry on
11:47 schestowitz-TR; that was ages ago
11:47 DaemonFC; Hitler painted, and look what ended up happening to him!
11:47 schestowitz-TR; so could watch them like 5-10 times, over the years...
11:48 matey; everybody paints the piper
11:48 schestowitz-TR; season is 22 or 24 iirc
11:48 schestowitz-TR; and episode can be 50mb
11:48 schestowitz-TR; 20 mins, coarse
11:48 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, There were video tapes capable of 1080p.
11:48 matey; seinfeld was like snl, a lot of it was funny the first time and some of it is still really hilarious
11:48 schestowitz-TR; one season, 1gb
11:48 matey; and a lot of it was like "wtf is this, this is comedy?"
11:48 DaemonFC; The reason they didn't go ahead with it was because it would be harder to make the DRM work, and it cost more than producing discs.
11:48 DaemonFC; And there wouldn't be as many patents.
11:49 matey; but on average, id say seinfeld was funnier than snl
11:49 matey; maybe
11:49 DaemonFC; An analog format with 1080p would therefore be unacceptable.
11:49 matey; snl had some entire years (maybe a decade) of being unfunny
11:49 schestowitz-TR; the laptop screen was 800pc across
11:49 schestowitz-TR; and iirc 640 vert
11:49 schestowitz-TR; so you don't need 1080p or HD
11:50 schestowitz-TR; this was 20 years ago, I was a poor student
11:50 DaemonFC; One of the main reasons I went ahead and bought a DVD player early on was because you could get better results copying to a blank VHS than using a VHS tape as the source.
11:50 DaemonFC; MacroVision only worked on VCRs with automatic gain control.
11:50 schestowitz-TR; who had already given away the TV to a friend's mom
11:50 matey; "lorne, we wore out the laugh track" "okay well a new laugh tracks not in the budget, switch to the track of cricket noises"
11:50 DaemonFC; I had several VCRs without it.
11:50 DaemonFC; So I could copy as many tapes as I wanted to.
11:51 matey; "why do we have a track of cricket noises?"
11:51 matey; "are you kidding? oh, you werent here in 1993"
11:51 DaemonFC; VCRs are pretty reliable.
11:51 schestowitz-TR; they last long
11:51 schestowitz-TR; the more modern things last NOT long
11:51 DaemonFC; The main problem, eating tapes, is caused by letting the heads become dirty.
11:51 schestowitz-TR; take SSD for example
11:51 DaemonFC; Which you can fix with a cheap cleaner tape.
11:51 schestowitz-TR; keep them off the power for a few years
11:52 schestowitz-TR; optical disks
11:52 schestowitz-TR; versus magnetic
11:52 schestowitz-TR; or FILM
11:52 schestowitz-TR; for photos
11:52 schestowitz-TR; versus some iPHone with oddball port
11:52 schestowitz-TR; like firesomething
11:52 schestowitz-TR; now we have webp
11:52 DaemonFC; Yes, they have a bad port of Firefox.
11:52 schestowitz-TR; will that outlast gulag?
11:52 schestowitz-TR; who knows...
11:52 schestowitz-TR; lots of old image formats
11:52 schestowitz-TR; I cannot even open them
11:53 DaemonFC; Washington Post: "We support every browser on iPhones.".
11:53 schestowitz-TR; cannot even tell you what they're called
11:53 DaemonFC; Because iPhones don't have real browsers.
11:53 schestowitz-TR; or the suffic
11:53 schestowitz-TR; because I forgot
11:53 matey; you can have it in any colour as long as its black
11:53 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: I means physical port
11:53 schestowitz-TR; take iphone 1 in 10 years from now
11:53 DaemonFC; Lightning.
11:54 schestowitz-TR; your task if to get images out of it
11:54 schestowitz-TR; no USB
11:54 schestowitz-TR; no application
11:54 schestowitz-TR; it was simpler with negatives of photos
11:54 DaemonFC; Mandy couldn't reset an iPhone 8 last night.
11:54 DaemonFC; He kept wondering why I couldn't install iTunes to reset his phone.
11:54 matey; /me wonders why reset isnt a built-in feature
11:54 matey; but then its apple, so
11:54 DaemonFC; It is on Android.
11:55 matey; ...
11:55 matey; oh right
11:55 schestowitz-TR; apple never needs resetting
11:55 matey; i thought you meant his iphone was
11:55 schestowitz-TR; that might confuse the user ;-)
11:55 matey; that would be an interesting trick
11:55 schestowitz-TR; and reset button makes them look less reliable
11:55 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, From what I can gather iTunes partially works on Wine.
11:55 schestowitz-TR; salesman: it's perfect, you will never need to reset it
11:55 matey; the new iphone 15, now with no reset button
11:55 DaemonFC; But it's a real bitch to install and nobody said if resetting an iPhone worked or not.
11:55 schestowitz-TR; if you do, it's time to buy a new one
11:55 schestowitz-TR; "upgrade"
11:55 DaemonFC; So I decided it wasn't worth the hassle.
11:56 schestowitz-TR; more CPU core and RAM, same shitty "apps"
11:56 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: hard reset
11:56 schestowitz-TR; remove batteried
11:56 schestowitz-TR; put them back in
11:57 schestowitz-TR; oh wait
11:57 schestowitz-TR; it's soldered in OMG
11:57 DaemonFC; :)
11:57 schestowitz-TR; shit shit shit
11:57 schestowitz-TR; and you ALSO lose the warranty
11:57 schestowitz-TR; the Apple genius bar won't serve you drinks
11:57 matey; /me thinks apple is secretly run by sinead oconner
11:57 matey; it explains everything
11:57 DaemonFC; Yeah, the guy at Batteries Plus can replace iPhone batteries. But the battery health app says "Not an original Apple part!".
11:57 DaemonFC; ABANDON SHIP ABANDON SHIP!
11:57 DaemonFC; NOT AN APPLE PART!
11:58 schestowitz-TR; matey: sinead oconner. think different.
11:58 matey; too different@
11:58 matey; too different!
11:58 schestowitz-TR; matey: after she shave her head she did the hammer throw
11:58 schestowitz-TR; at ICBM
11:58 DaemonFC; Fight the real enemy! rips up the Pope
11:58 schestowitz-TR; and ICBM self-nuked on impact
11:58 DaemonFC; And that's the last anyone saw of her.
11:58 schestowitz-TR; "think different." versus "think."
11:58 schestowitz-TR; then comes microsoft
11:58 schestowitz-TR; "bribe."
11:59 schestowitz-TR; new Microsot(r): "bribe different"
11:59 schestowitz-TR; bribe "Linux"
11:59 matey; that was anya major but i think you were making a joke
12:00 schestowitz; sinead iConner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8
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12:00 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8
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12:00 TR Bot; yewtu.be | 1984 Apple's First Macintosh Commercial - Invidious
12:00 matey; shes british, and apart from throwing the hammer in the apple ad she was in the elton john video for nikita
12:01 DaemonFC; Ronald Reagan joked about the Soviet Union that "An American can go in, and bang his fist on the president's desk, and say 'I don't like the way you're running this country!'". So the Russian said, "Oh yeah, I can do that too. I can go into Gorbachev's office, bang my fist on the desk, and say 'I don't like the way Reagan is running his country!'".
12:01 schestowitz-TR; irish
12:01 DaemonFC; Meanwhile, in reality......
12:01 matey; iConner <- oh, ok
12:01 schestowitz-TR; i think
12:01 schestowitz-TR; iRish
12:01 schestowitz-TR; sorry
12:01 matey; yes oconner is irish
12:01 DaemonFC; Secret Service agents with Uzis have to go everywhere with the president and he has a car that's really a tank.
12:01 matey; anya major is british
12:01 DaemonFC; Because no matter who the president is, 60% of Americans don't like him very much.
12:02 schestowitz-TR; it's a bad system
12:02 DaemonFC; Reagan should have mentioned that someone shot him. Maybe he forgot.
12:02 DaemonFC; ;)
12:02 schestowitz-TR; no person can be elected to do what's right
12:02 schestowitz-TR; without being assassinated or ruined at nomination
12:02 schestowitz-TR; or libeled by corporate media owned by bezos and gates
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12:03 DaemonFC; Everyone is rattling on about how Biden's "approval rating" is 42%. They say "failed presidency".
12:03 DaemonFC; Okay, most people didn't like Bush and he got re-elected.
12:03 TR News; Clearview loves Putin's invasion. It helps distract from Clearview's crimes. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/29/ukraine-government-confirms-it-is-using-clearview-ai-to-identify-dead-russian-soldiers/
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12:03 TR Bot; Government Confirms It Is Using Clearview AI To Identify Dead Russian Soldiers? | Techdirt
12:03 DaemonFC; Most people didn't approve of Obama, he got re-elected. Same with Clinton. They lost control of Congress, but they were re-elected.
12:04 DaemonFC; Why is that?
12:04 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: failing countries are like that
12:04 schestowitz-TR; it's a good metric
12:04 schestowitz-TR; when the person in power is so disliked
12:04 schestowitz-TR; it means direct democracy is fake
12:04 DaemonFC; The presidential elections have never been a direct democracy here.
12:04 schestowitz-TR; let me check something
12:04 schestowitz-TR; I will check presidential approval rates by country
12:04 BTcoInk; direct democracy is online pools
12:05 DaemonFC; They are state elections with an electoral college, which does not allocate representation proportionally.
12:05 schestowitz-TR; assumption is, north europe ranks high
12:05 schestowitz-TR; iceland even kicked its PM out
12:05 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating
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12:05 TR Bot; United States presidential approval rating - Wikipedia
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12:06 schestowitz; Trump was worst ever
12:06 schestowitz; 40%
12:06 schestowitz; average
12:06 schestowitz; inc. the GOP-leaning polls
12:06 schestowitz; Truman was 22
12:06 schestowitz; lowest by poll
12:07 schestowitz; bush was 90% in highest among them
12:07 schestowitz; 10 days after 9/11
12:07 BTcoInk; putin is loved in russia he alowas gets reelected they even need to change the constitution because of that
12:07 DaemonFC; Truman was the last that could have ran for unlimited terms.
12:07 schestowitz; see? some people win other than the terrorists
12:07 schestowitz; terrorists and war criminals
12:07 schestowitz; shared gain
12:07 schestowitz; second was his dad
12:08 schestowitz; 89% after gulf war
12:08 DaemonFC; The two term limit wasn't added until the 1950s.
12:08 DaemonFC; It was always an informal standard before then, and nobody really abused it badly until FDR.
12:08 schestowitz; but we need to find stats for other countries
12:08 DaemonFC; And he was becoming a dictator, and only left office because he died.
12:09 schestowitz; maybe not in English edition of wikipedia
12:09 matey; and only left office because he died. <- to be fair it was a very good reason
12:09 DaemonFC; Trump and Biden have certainly tried to act like dictators.
12:09 schestowitz; https://morningconsult.com/global-leader-approval/
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12:09 TR Bot; Global Leader Approval Ratings
12:10 DaemonFC; But they've been cut down by the courts.
12:10 schestowitz; Wow, Borisnaro 35%
12:10 schestowitz; lower than Bolsonaro
12:10 schestowitz; and Biden
12:10 DaemonFC; FAILED DEMOCRACY!
12:10 schestowitz; yup
12:10 matey; failed government
12:10 schestowitz; but poverty isn't as bad
12:10 schestowitz; as the US
12:10 schestowitz; Modi 76%
12:11 matey; that cant be a real number
12:11 schestowitz; 65% in Mexico
12:11 DaemonFC; Have you considered that most people in the US don't care about the "Challenging Street People".
12:11 schestowitz; https://www.gallup.com/analytics/315824/gallup-global-leadership-center.aspx
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12:11 TR Bot; Leadership Approval Center | Gallup.com
12:11 matey; they certainly dont
12:11 DaemonFC; mjg59_ steps over them like everyone else in that city.
12:12 matey; out of curiosity what should he do?
12:12 DaemonFC; They have plenty of practice stepping over things with over 20,000 complaints of shit on the sidewalk per year.
12:12 DaemonFC; Vote out London Breed.
12:12 DaemonFC; Corrupt corporate hack.
12:12 schestowitz-TR; there should be 2 million complains
12:12 matey; fair enough
12:12 schestowitz-TR; about literal shits who live there
12:13 schestowitz-TR; like Mozilla CEO
12:13 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Untrue
12:13 schestowitz-TR; don't judge people by the smell
12:13 matey; if most people cared about challenging street people they wouldnt be street people
12:13 DaemonFC; When the mayor doesn't even say homeless and starts using "Challenging Street People", you know what they're doing there. Right?
12:13 DaemonFC; Dehumanization.
12:13 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: What's the tech content here
12:13 schestowitz-TR; street people
12:14 DaemonFC; It no longer acknowledges that they're homeless.
12:14 schestowitz-TR; "they came from the street"
12:14 schestowitz-TR; "they belong in the street"
12:14 schestowitz-TR; you can't take the street of of the man
12:14 matey; What's the tech content here <- some of them have smartphones
12:14 schestowitz-TR; even if you take the man out of the street
12:14 BTcoInk; the street is their home
12:14 schestowitz-TR; btw, in the group blackstreet (gospel/r&b) there was one singer called "street"
12:14 matey; denystreet
12:14 BTcoInk; many are car people
12:14 schestowitz-TR; they adopted the "slur"
12:15 DaemonFC; They have to staff the toilets to make sure the Challenging Street People don't sleep in the port-a-potty.
12:15 matey; thats a good thing
12:15 matey; no one should sleep in one of those
12:15 matey; on the benches okay
12:15 schestowitz-TR; in the uk they started charging to use publicm toilets
12:15 schestowitz-TR; they are no longer public
12:16 DaemonFC; Chicago runs a big homeless camp and a mental health hospital. It's called the County Jail.
12:16 schestowitz-TR; and that denies access to people who might end up "going" elsewhere
12:16 schestowitz-TR; so it's a bad approach
12:16 schestowitz-TR; rms says we should refuse to use these
12:16 DaemonFC; They gutted the budget for mental health clinics and homeless shelters.
12:16 schestowitz-TR; I never paid I think
12:16 schestowitz-TR; rianne did, I never did
12:16 BTcoInk; everyone agrees the shiter sould be private
12:16 DaemonFC; So they commit petty crimes so they go to jail and get fed and don't freeze to death.
12:16 matey; rms says we should refuse to use these <- ive been refusing to use pay toilets for a few decades
12:16 matey; basically since the first one i ever saw
12:16 BTcoInk; public shiting is a crime
12:16 DaemonFC; rms says we should refuse to use these <- ive been refusing to use pay toilets for a few decades
12:16 matey; i was like "seriously, wtf"
12:17 schestowitz-TR; matey: it's right there next to "spikes"
12:17 schestowitz-TR; to prevent them sleeping in .... places
12:17 DaemonFC; I think the point of "San Francisco Pit Stop" is that people don't have to pay so they won't just shit on the sidewalk.
12:17 DaemonFC; Of course, people pay....taxes.
12:17 matey; yeah some people removed a bunch of armrests because they were really just anti-sleeping features
12:17 schestowitz-TR; [12:16] i was like "seriously, wtf"
12:17 schestowitz-TR; planes (airtlines) did the same
12:17 schestowitz-TR; or considered it
12:17 mjg59_; It's a good thing San Francisco has rolled out a whole bunch of toilets you don't have to pay for
12:17 matey; so they unbolted and stole the armrests from the becnhes as good samaritans
12:17 schestowitz-TR; causing an outcry
12:17 matey; i thought it was prettty epic
12:17 schestowitz-TR; first they take the meals away
12:18 schestowitz-TR; then the tea and sandwich
12:18 DaemonFC; If it bothered them that much, they'd reform the laws there to end the housing crisis. They only keep the housing crisis going so people like mjg59_ will pay $800,000 for a tiny house.
12:18 schestowitz-TR; then you can't even "go"
12:18 schestowitz-TR; "bring diapers"
12:18 matey; of course it would also be epic to give them a place indoors to sleep
12:18 schestowitz-TR; (that escalated quickly!)
12:18 matey; but even removing the armrests was a good thing
12:18 DaemonFC; It's deliberate so they can say "Look at me! I'm important! I can AFFORD to have a home here!".
12:18 BTcoInk; if you dont eat you dont need to shit
12:18 schestowitz-TR; matey: maybe because of "big people"
12:19 DaemonFC; "We made a crisis so we could live in it and laugh at the challenging street people!"
12:19 matey; matey: maybe because of "big people" <- no i dont think so
12:19 mjg59_; Unclear what the desired mechanism here is
12:19 mjg59_; Am I supposed to just put a toilet outside my door
12:19 DaemonFC; Your tax dollars at work.
12:20 DaemonFC; Chicago doesn't have to do this to avoid shit in the streets.
12:20 DaemonFC; The more liberal your city is, the more freaks and assholes live there.
12:20 TR News; Suppressed reporting, suppressed subject (not convenient to media owners) https://www.projectcensored.org/lack-of-research-on-rise-of-suicides-among-asian-american-youth/
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12:20 DaemonFC; Pretty soon you can't even use a toilet.
12:20 matey; <mjg59_> Unclear what the desired mechanism here is <- basically the problem is being liberal
12:20 matey; everything else is commentary
12:21 TR News; Crackers, not hackers https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/03/hackers-gaining-power-of-subpoena-via-fake-emergency-data-requests/
12:21 DaemonFC; His Royal Hineyness.
12:21 TR Bot; Hackers Gaining Power of Subpoena Via Fake Emergency Data Requests Krebs on Security
12:21 mjg59_; Shit, I hadn't realised that marriage equality meant more people living on the streets
12:21 matey; theres always something new to learn here
12:22 mjg59_; "Crackers, not hackers" this disagrees with the content of the original 80s version of the Jargon File before ESR took over
12:22 TR News; Discord is terrible for many LEGITIMATE reasons https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/29/the-latest-moral-panic-focuses-on-discord/
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12:22 DaemonFC; Everywhere the liberals go, they screw up the economy and raise taxes, but while at first glance it looks like they're stupid, they have a good reason for it. They don't actually want poor black people living anywhere near them.
12:22 matey; <mjg59_> "Crackers, not hackers" this disagrees with <- do you consider it bunk?
12:22 mjg59_; The definition of "hacker" at the time included what later versions called "cracker"
12:22 matey; i always considered it wishful thinking
12:22 DaemonFC; They reckon if they drive the cost of living sky high, they can just say the right things and not have to admit they're racists.
12:22 matey; a prescriptive distinction
12:23 DaemonFC; The left in this country is the most racist group there is.
12:23 schestowitz-TR; demonstrably false
12:23 DaemonFC; There's plenty of black people living in red states, because nobody is trying to force them out of their homes by taking their jobs away and raising taxes and rents.
12:23 schestowitz-TR; they are clkassist
12:23 matey; i find DaemonFC considerably less offensive then rush limbaugh
12:23 schestowitz-TR; not racist
12:23 matey; but some of the overlap is amusing
12:24 mjg59_; From version 1.10 of the Jargon File: "6. A malicious or inquisitive meddler who tries to
12:24 mjg59_; discover information by poking around. Hence "password hacker"
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12:24 schestowitz-TR; but many poor people belond to ethnic groups and immigrant families
12:24 schestowitz-TR; thg right is tribalist
12:24 schestowitz-TR; not classist
12:24 schestowitz-TR; but the classicism extends to tribalism
12:24 matey; /me finds the term "tribalist" extremely unfortunate
12:24 matey; the right isnt classist?
12:24 matey; /me falls over laughing
12:25 schestowitz; https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-race-and-ethnicity-donald-trump-racial-injustice-jared-kushner-d7cf670c43a41dc941e6ac21c0e683de
12:25 TR Bot; Kushner says Black people must 'want to be successful' | AP News
12:25 DaemonFC; The problem here is that the right just sounds like a bunch of assholes but the left puts in policies that drive black people out or harass them with laws that are designed to send them to prison.
12:25 matey; im not concerned about tribes being offended, its a tragedy of mischaracterisation
12:25 DaemonFC; The Democrat gun laws in Illinois.....90% of the people sent to prison are black.
12:25 schestowitz; https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/26/jared-kushner-criticized-saying-black-people-need-want-successful/6043088002/
12:25 TR Bot; Jared Kushner says Black people need to 'want to be successful'
12:25 matey; The problem here is that the right just sounds like a bunch of assholes but the left puts in policies that drive black people out or harass them with laws that are designed to send them to prison. <- the so-called left is largely populated with hypocrites, its true
12:25 DaemonFC; When white people are found with an illegal gun, there's court diversions and misdemeanor versions of the offense all of a sudden.
12:26 DaemonFC; What do you know?
12:26 matey; left opportunists keep the left from doing legitimately left things
12:26 schestowitz-TR; [12:24] /me falls over laughing
12:26 schestowitz-TR; as long as that class is of "their kind"
12:26 matey; from a campaign standpoint thats very true
12:26 DaemonFC; In Indiana, you won't even need a gun permit for open carry soon.
12:26 matey; but campaign is just another word for bullshit
12:26 DaemonFC; So nobody will be arrested or sent to prison.
12:26 matey; they USE the lower class during elections
12:26 DaemonFC; Illinois is happy with 9 out of 10 prisoners being black.
12:27 matey; that doesnt make them any less classist
12:27 matey; its like saying that slaveowners werent racist because they had mostly black workers.
12:27 DaemonFC; The left is pretty much delighted by human suffering.
12:27 DaemonFC; It makes them feel more accomplished.
12:27 matey; "look how diverse our workforce is!"
12:27 TR News; "As the New York Times reported in 2015, Schrems was a 24-year-old student studying at the Santa Clara School of Law in California, when lawyers from Silicon Valley came to talk to students about their companies approach to privacy." https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/how-a-few-thoughtless-words-about-privacy-led-to-huge-political-and-economic-headaches-for-the-us-and-eu/
12:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: privateinternetaccess.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/how-a-few-thoughtless-words-about-privacy-led-to-huge-political-and-economic-headaches-for-the-us-and-eu/
12:27 TR Bot; How a Few Thoughtless Words about Privacy Led to Huge Political and Economic Headaches for the US and EU political and economic headache
12:27 DaemonFC; That's the only reason you'd live in San Francisco.
12:28 DaemonFC; It's about the snob aspect of it.
12:28 DaemonFC; "I'm glad I have $800,000 for a tiny house with no land. Unlike those Challenging Street People!"
12:29 matey; hatred of the working class is extremely common among the bourgiosie
12:29 matey; but what dfc is complaining about is something marx and lenin said routinely
12:29 DaemonFC; That really is why the left hates states like Indiana.
12:29 DaemonFC; Almost anyone in Indiana who gets a job can have a house. A nice one.
12:30 TR News; Cond Nast should just die already, along with its lying Microsoft rags and Reddit https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/29/prestige-doesnt-pay-bills-conde-nast-workers-announce-new-union
12:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/29/prestige-doesnt-pay-bills-conde-nast-workers-announce-new-union
12:30 TR Bot; 'Prestige Doesn't Pay the Bills': Cond Nast Workers Announce New Union
12:30 DaemonFC; I've known people working at convenience stores who have an apartment 10 times bigger than one you have to share with 5 other men in San Francisco.
12:30 TR News; More bailout money for Microsoft https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/29/ukraine-war-cannot-justify-bidens-too-damn-high-pentagon-budget see http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
=> ↺ https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/29/ukraine-war-cannot-justify-bidens-too-damn-high-pentagon-budget
=> http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
12:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/29/ukraine-war-cannot-justify-bidens-too-damn-high-pentagon-budget
12:30 TR Bot; Opinion | Ukraine War Cannot Justify Biden's Too-Damn-High Pentagon Budget | William Hartung
12:31 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
12:31 matey; to share with 5 other men in San Francisco. <- im pretty sure some of that was voluntary, particularly the "5 other men" part
12:32 *alextee has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
12:33 DaemonFC; No it's not.
12:33 schestowitz-TR; sometimes people are made to delude themselves
12:33 DaemonFC; You look for apartments in San Francisco and you get "$1,500" apartments, and then find out they want you to share 300 square feet with three roommates and it's really $6,000 a month for the apartment.
12:33 schestowitz-TR; to compel to spin as voluntary something that is not
12:33 schestowitz-TR; "I'm happy to have just one room"
12:34 schestowitz-TR; "I'm happy to live in SF"
12:34 schestowitz-TR; "I actualluy am OK with this job"
12:34 schestowitz-TR; "I don't need a bath"
12:34 schestowitz-TR; they call it sour grapes
12:34 matey; to compel to spin as voluntary something that is not <- no, it was a cheap joke about the scene in sf
12:34 schestowitz-TR; not limited to foxes in grapsvines
12:34 schestowitz-TR; matey: well, DaemonFC is gay
12:35 matey; yes i know
12:35 schestowitz-TR; so I would not make unfair assumptions about intent
12:35 DaemonFC; Ubuntu used to include "The Fox and the Sour Grapes" as a demonstration of ODF.
12:35 matey; and i thought he might find a small amount of humour in it
12:35 matey; so I would not make unfair assumptions <- youre forgetting that he has a sense of humour
12:35 DaemonFC; Ironically, I think that was while mjg59_ was there.
12:35 TR News; "The first pirate site blocking order in Canada remains in place. Internet provider TekSavvy petitioned the Supreme Court to hear the case but this request was denied." https://torrentfreak.com/canadas-supreme-court-denies-teksavvys-site-blocking-appeal-220329/
=> ↺ https://torrentfreak.com/canadas-supreme-court-denies-teksavvys-site-blocking-appeal-220329/
12:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/canadas-supreme-court-denies-teksavvys-site-blocking-appeal-220329/
12:35 TR Bot; Supreme Court Denies TekSavvy's Site Blocking Appeal * TorrentFreak
12:36 TR News; "Russia-based game developer Four Quarters is against the war in Ukraine but in common with other companies, still feels the effects of sanctions." https://torrentfreak.com/russian-loop-hero-dev-approves-piracy-after-sanctions-hobble-steam-220329/
12:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/russian-loop-hero-dev-approves-piracy-after-sanctions-hobble-steam-220329/
12:36 TR Bot; 'Loop Hero' Dev Approves Piracy After Sanctions Hobble Steam * TorrentFreak
12:36 matey; also it wasnt an assumption. that would imply it was said seriously
12:36 DaemonFC; "I don't like Indiana and their low cost of living. Everyone there is probably a rube anyway." laughs in $20 coffee
12:36 schestowitz-TR; matey: right, sorry for misunderstanding
12:36 matey; no worries at all
12:37 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: I had coffee with irish cream minutes ago
12:37 matey; it was a dumb joke besides
12:37 schestowitz-TR; the cost? about 30 pence
12:37 DaemonFC; 30 of Mike Pence?
12:37 schestowitz-TR; inc. liquor
12:37 DaemonFC; What, are they coming out of a vat now?
12:37 schestowitz-TR; I cal him mike pants
12:37 schestowitz-TR; pants here means "rubbish"
12:37 schestowitz-TR; "this thing was pants.."
12:38 schestowitz-TR; the media tells people to payn for "ambiance"
12:38 schestowitz-TR; shopping malls and coffee shops
12:38 DaemonFC; i find DaemonFC considerably less offensive then rush limbaugh
12:38 schestowitz-TR; most coffee shops are not plesant
12:38 DaemonFC; I never listened to Rush Limbaugh.
12:38 schestowitz-TR; unless you live in council housing
12:38 schestowitz-TR; BUT...
12:38 DaemonFC; Jerry Doyle had a talk radio show for a while.
12:39 schestowitz-TR; people who go there are NOT poor
12:39 schestowitz-TR; they pretend to be rich
12:39 schestowitz-TR; but are not poor eirher
12:39 schestowitz-TR; there is no reason for them to go there
12:39 schestowitz-TR; their kitchen is a lot nicer
12:39 DaemonFC; Limbaugh was a Republican. Doyle criticized Romney and supported Ron Paul.
12:39 matey; Jerry Doyle had a talk radio show for a while. <- from b5?
12:39 DaemonFC; Yes, him.
12:39 matey; i knew he was republican
12:39 schestowitz-TR; so it's all "fasshen" and lyfestaille"
12:40 matey; also wasnt he married to the blonde psycorps officer?
12:40 matey; in the show he had a crush, but in real life
12:40 DaemonFC; Yes he was, for a while.
12:40 matey; she was pretty amazing for a blonde
12:40 DaemonFC; They wrote her out of the show.
12:40 matey; reminded me of cybil shepherd-- in some ways even better looking
12:41 matey; they sure did, but why?
12:41 TR News; The other Ginni who supports the Orange Nazi (not the Ginni from ICBM, Rometty) https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/29/clarence-thomas-should-resign-and-ginni-thomas-should-be-prosecuted https://www.democracynow.org/2022/3/29/ginni_thomas_clarence_thomas_democratic_elections
=> ↺ https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/29/clarence-thomas-should-resign-and-ginni-thomas-should-be-prosecuted
=> ↺ https://www.democracynow.org/2022/3/29/ginni_thomas_clarence_thomas_democratic_elections
12:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/29/clarence-thomas-should-resign-and-ginni-thomas-should-be-prosecuted
12:41 TR Bot; Opinion | Clarence Thomas Should Resign and Ginni Thomas Should Be Prosecuted | Thom Hartmann
12:41 TR Bot; Ginni & Clarence Thomas vs. Democracy: He Sided with Trump in Court While She Backed Coup Attempt | Democracy Now!
12:41 DaemonFC; It turned out that the Psi Corps implanted a fake personality in her and that was the one everyone knew.
12:41 matey; no i know the storyline
12:41 matey; i mean what was the reason they wrote her out
12:41 DaemonFC; Not sure.
12:41 matey; oh okay
12:42 matey; talia winters
12:42 DaemonFC; I call it the Babylon 5 Curse, though, what happened to the people who acted in the show.
12:42 DaemonFC; Most of them died shortly thereafter, way too young too.
12:42 matey; yeah no kidding
12:42 matey; poor zathras
12:43 TR News; The corporatisation of "science(TM)" https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/university-climate-research-fossil-fuels/
=> ↺ https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/university-climate-research-fossil-fuels/
12:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/university-climate-research-fossil-fuels/
12:43 TR Bot; Climate Research Shouldnt Be Funded by Fossil Fuel Companies | The Nation
12:43 DaemonFC; Nobody listen to zathras.
12:43 matey; zathras have a sad life. probably have a sad death too
12:43 DaemonFC; He talks to dirt. Dirt sometimes have bugs. Bugs listen.
12:43 matey; i think if elmo gets old enough he will sound exactly like zathras
12:44 TR News; "Was it all a dream? In the harsh light of 2022, the early years of my time working at BuzzFeedthe boozy launch parties of each new vertical, the iPads distributed as holiday swag, the taco Tuesdays" https://www.thenation.com/article/society/buzzfeed-news-layoffs-journalism/
=> ↺ https://www.thenation.com/article/society/buzzfeed-news-layoffs-journalism/
12:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/society/buzzfeed-news-layoffs-journalism/
12:44 TR Bot; BuzzFeed Doesnt Deserve Its Newsroom | The Nation
12:44 matey; elmo likes tickles. no one tickles elmo anymore. elmo was happy. elmo have sad life.
12:44 DaemonFC; Motorcycle accident, died, 49.
12:44 DaemonFC; They are death traps.
12:44 TR News; "Last week, the EU and the US announced something important that sounds pretty boring a new privacy shield agreement" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/29/eu-us-say-theyve-agreed-to-a-new-privacy-shield-that-doesnt-seem-to-deal-with-any-of-the-problems-of-the-old-one/
12:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/29/eu-us-say-theyve-agreed-to-a-new-privacy-shield-that-doesnt-seem-to-deal-with-any-of-the-problems-of-the-old-one/
12:44 TR Bot; Say Theyve Agreed To A New Privacy Shield That Doesnt Seem To Deal With Any Of The Problems Of The Old One | Techdirt
12:44 DaemonFC; And most people who buy them are in their 40s.
12:45 matey; its sort of like a game of russian roulette that can get you from a to-- maybe b
12:45 TR News; Maybe they just don't like people https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/29/as-scrutiny-of-law-enforcement-increases-legislators-are-trying-to-criminalize-filming-of-police-officers/
12:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/29/as-scrutiny-of-law-enforcement-increases-legislators-are-trying-to-criminalize-filming-of-police-officers/
12:45 TR Bot; Scrutiny Of Law Enforcement Increases, Legislators Are Trying To Criminalize Filming Of Police Officers | Techdirt
12:45 DaemonFC; I wouldn't ride a bicycle in the Chicago region.
12:45 DaemonFC; Too many illegal Mexicans.
12:45 DaemonFC; Hit and run.
12:45 DaemonFC; Every goddamned day.
12:47 schestowitz-TR; " illegal Mexicans"?
12:47 schestowitz-TR; Do you have to be " illegal Mexicans" to hit a cyclist?
12:47 DaemonFC; Well, it seems to be "Illegal Mexican hit and run" Groundhog Day around here.
12:47 schestowitz-TR; as a principle
12:47 schestowitz-TR; undocumented residents are LESS likely to commit such offenses
12:47 mjg59_; 12:35 < DaemonFC> Ironically, I think that was while mjg59_ was there.
12:48 DaemonFC; Well, not necessarily.
12:48 mjg59_; ?
12:48 schestowitz-TR; as they have more to lose
12:48 DaemonFC; THen why is it in the news CONSTANTLY?
12:48 schestowitz-TR; Fox?
12:48 DaemonFC; It's almost always a Mexican.
12:48 DaemonFC; Lake and McHenry Scanner or WGN.
12:48 mjg59_; I didn't live in SF in that timeframe, and I was never a Cnonical employee, so ?
12:49 *alextee (~alextee@uwuysj3kprbhs.irc) has joined #techrights
12:49 DaemonFC; Lake and McHenry Scanner more aggressively posts mugshots than WGN.
12:49 TR News; "Billionaires purposefully don't take incomesthey borrow against their wealth to fund their lifestyles (buy, borrow, and die.)" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/29/manchin-blasted-opposing-bidens-plan-tax-us-billionaires
12:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/29/manchin-blasted-opposing-bidens-plan-tax-us-billionaires
12:49 TR Bot; Manchin Blasted for Opposing Biden's Plan to Tax US Billionaires
12:49 DaemonFC; WGN follows the Coulter's Law, whereby the longer it takes them to mention race or produce a mugshot, the less likely the offender is white.
12:50 DaemonFC; https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/coulters-law/
=> ↺ https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/coulters-law/
12:50 TR Bot; Law Meaning & Origin | Slang by Dictionary.com
12:50 TR News; Paradox: security and buzzwords like IoShit https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/podcast-episode-securing-internet-things
=> ↺ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/podcast-episode-securing-internet-things
12:50 TR Bot; Podcast Episode: Securing the Internet of Things | Electronic Frontier Foundation
12:51 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: So are channel norms that I'm just accused of stuff that, well, is clearly not me?
12:51 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GEVAE3EYoOg&t=144 <- THen why is it in the news CONSTANTLY?
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GEVAE3EYoOg&t=144
12:51 TR Bot; "Arabs" | Russell Peters - Red, White, and Brown - Invidious
12:51 DaemonFC; I don't like Ann Coulter much, but she's right.
12:51 DaemonFC; If the alleged offender was white, there's a mugshot right away.
12:51 matey; that I'm just accused of stuff that, well, is clearly not me? <- i think of it as a running comedy routine
12:51 TR News; Window Snyder is a Microsofter. Why does the EFF boost Microsofters as if they're security experts? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/podcast-episode-securing-internet-things EFF increasingly a loss cause. Also a Microsoft booster. http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/eff-rogue/
=> ↺ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/podcast-episode-securing-internet-things
=> http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/eff-rogue/
12:51 TR Bot; The EFF Attacks Software Freedom and Promotes Fake Privacy Linked to Microsoft | Techrights
12:51 DaemonFC; If not, it just says "three teenagers" or something.
12:52 DaemonFC; When the news just says "four teenagers carjacked someone", and there's no mugshot, it's code.
12:52 schestowitz-TR; *lost cause
12:52 matey; wrong timestamp
12:52 DaemonFC; It means they want to report the police blotter but not outrage Jesse Jackson.
12:53 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GEVAE3EYoOg&t=114
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GEVAE3EYoOg&t=114
12:53 TR Bot; "Arabs" | Russell Peters - Red, White, and Brown - Invidious
12:53 matey; the whole video is good of course
12:57 TR News; Tax on 95 Percent of Corporate Windfall Profits https://truthout.org/articles/bernie-sanders-wants-wwii-style-tax-on-95-percent-of-corporate-windfall-profits/
12:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/bernie-sanders-wants-wwii-style-tax-on-95-percent-of-corporate-windfall-profits/
12:57 TR Bot; Bernie Sanders Wants WWII-Style Tax on 95 Percent of Corporate Windfall Profits
12:58 TR News; SweatshopZome https://truthout.org/articles/alabama-amazon-workers-were-forced-to-work-as-mysterious-gas-filled-warehouse/
12:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/alabama-amazon-workers-were-forced-to-work-as-mysterious-gas-filled-warehouse/
12:58 TR Bot; Alabama Amazon Workers Were Forced to Work as Mysterious Gas Filled Warehouse
12:58 schestowitz-TR; *Zone
12:58 schestowitz-TR; I have a new name fore bezoscorp
12:58 schestowitz-TR; although it does not cover business operations like AWS
12:59 schestowitz-TR; "web" "services"
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 65.15 average k/sec., average swarm size 274.45
12:59 schestowitz-TR; so-called 'services'...
12:59 schestowitz-TR; it goes down
12:59 schestowitz-TR; they suspend you
12:59 DaemonFC; Amazon Web Outages.
12:59 schestowitz-TR; they do price hikes
12:59 schestowitz-TR; etc.
12:59 schestowitz-TR; AWOL
12:59 schestowitz-TR; Amazon Web Outage LOL
12:59 schestowitz-TR; last year techrights had better uptime than aws
13:00 schestowitz-TR; freenode has better uptime than slack
13:00 DaemonFC; Jean Marc Valin left Mozilla.....for Amazon Web Outages.
13:00 schestowitz-TR; in spite of all the turebulence
13:00 schestowitz-TR; same for libera chat
13:00 matey; last year techrights had better uptime than aws <- even with the countless ddos attacks?
13:00 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: many from ICBM/Red Hat move to AWS
13:00 DaemonFC; I wonder if he was a victim of Mitchell or just got out ahead of it.
13:00 schestowitz-TR; LOADS
13:00 schestowitz-TR; even managers
13:01 schestowitz-TR; they move quietly
13:01 schestowitz-TR; matey: yes
13:01 schestowitz-TR; we didn't even have many ddos attacks last year
13:01 schestowitz-TR; tuxmachines had the issues
13:01 matey; oh
13:01 schestowitz-TR; we wrote a program to mitigate
13:01 schestowitz-TR; it might even be in git
13:01 DaemonFC; IBM: Let us terrorize and demoralize you with persistent layoffs and job interviews to see if you get laid off this time. Also, here's a pay cut.
13:01 matey; yeah i recall when you started testing it
13:01 *schestowitz-TR checks
13:01 DaemonFC; NPR: IBM is doing well!
13:02 matey; basically like fail2ban except for https
13:02 matey; f2b is for ssh
13:02 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, The Catholic Church is treating their employees like IBM does.
13:02 matey; plus with a timeout
13:02 DaemonFC; Mom's terrified if she files partial unemployment due to the cut hours that they'll fire her.
13:03 schestowitz-TR; yes, it is in git
13:03 DaemonFC; That's illegal, but we know what the labor laws are like in America.
13:03 schestowitz-TR; under sbin and sbin-tm
13:03 DaemonFC; It may be illegal, but good luck with that!
13:03 schestowitz-TR; matey: no, more like "attack mode"
13:03 schestowitz-TR; on and off depending on load
13:03 schestowitz-TR; and on timers
13:03 DaemonFC; They're like anyone else. They warn if you bring in a labor union, they'll fire everybody.
13:04 matey; /me figures its basically like fail2ban, except for https and with a timeout
13:04 DaemonFC; So nobody risks it, because individually, they need a paycheck every week more than they need pie in the sky from a labor union.
13:05 schestowitz-TR; there are manu union-bustinmg methods
13:05 schestowitz-TR; EPO tried many
13:05 schestowitz-TR; but they're outwitted by EPO staff reps
13:05 BTcoInk; DaemonFC is a chatbot
13:05 schestowitz-TR; and union leaders
13:05 schestowitz-TR; so far...
13:05 matey; bot calling the kettle black
13:06 schestowitz-TR; the kettle is deny
13:06 matey; /me coughs
13:06 matey; i was just going to say
13:06 matey; "deny"
13:06 BTcoInk; wtf that means?
13:06 matey; beauty
13:06 matey; now you dont follow
13:06 TR News; SCOTUS: the questions OFF the table https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/29/no-corporate-law-and-power-questions-for-judge-ketanji-brown-jackson/
13:06 BTcoInk; you a bot too?
13:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/29/no-corporate-law-and-power-questions-for-judge-ketanji-brown-jackson/
13:06 TR Bot; Corporate Law and Power Questions for Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson - CounterPunch.org
13:08 BTcoInk; ww3 is here and you keep chating about crap
13:08 BTcoInk; are you russian propaganda machine?
13:08 matey; ww3 has been here for a decade or more
13:08 matey; yes im a russian propaganda machine that refers to russias leader as "putler" and "putlin"
13:09 matey; lets just say im a russian propaganda machine with a vicious sense of humour
13:09 BTcoInk; to escape the alghorithmes
13:09 matey; naturally
13:09 matey; fools them every time
13:09 matey; because this irc is LOADED with anti-propaganda algorithms
13:09 matey; you can find them on the gemhub.
13:09 TR News; Instead of protecting women, babies and embryos Texas now protects the travel industry. And the travel is a risk to life. This was never about protecting humans. Women will do what they want, one way or another...
13:09 matey; twitter is envious
13:10 XRevan86; BTcoInk: When we talked about the Russian propaganda machine, ye called this channel "right-leaning".
13:10 matey; they cant use them though beause they serve over https and js
13:10 BTcoInk; russian love rightwing
13:10 BTcoInk; putin loves trump
13:11 BTcoInk; they even finance the ultra right
13:11 XRevan86; That they do.
13:11 BTcoInk; putin wants war
13:12 XRevan86; That's an astute observation after Putin started a war.
13:12 matey; :)
13:12 BTcoInk; to spread socialisme?
13:12 TR News; Microsoft is neither web nor dev, it's a resource-hogging malware cult gemini://ivanodintsoff.smol.pub/motivation-to-learn-something-new-webdev
=> ↺ gemini://ivanodintsoff.smol.pub/motivation-to-learn-something-new-webdev
13:12 matey; hehe
13:13 XRevan86; BTcoInk: To spread his rule.
13:13 matey; those darn ukranians, getting in the way of putlins socialist natural gas with their wicked capitalist petrol conglomerates
13:14 BTcoInk; putin is fascist
13:14 matey; close enough for the moment
13:14 BTcoInk; so was stalin
13:14 matey; similar to putlin yes
13:14 schestowitz-TR; https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-asks-putin-provide-dirt-hunter-biden-1329356/
13:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: rollingstone.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-asks-putin-provide-dirt-hunter-biden-1329356/
13:14 TR Bot; Trump Asks Putin to Dig Up Dirt on Biden Family - Rolling Stone
13:15 matey; not much that was socialist about either of them
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13:15 matey; the rich love socialism for the rich
13:15 matey; stalinism was socialism for the bureaucracy
13:19 schestowitz-TR; [09:30] cheetonazi is soliciting more foreign interference again, highly illegal given
13:19 schestowitz-TR; [09:30] his past and current positionl, teachnically treasonous; but then neither
13:19 schestowitz-TR; [09:30] sedition nor treason have been prosecuted during the last 15 years
13:19 schestowitz-TR; [09:30] despite occurences
13:19 schestowitz-TR; [09:30] faux news, newsmax, and other are part of that
13:19 schestowitz-TR; cheetonazi sounds like Fibonacci
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13:19 schestowitz-TR; matey: ^
13:20 schestowitz-TR; MinceR:
13:20 schestowitz-TR; cheetonazi has caught on
13:20 schestowitz-TR; like the cheese
13:20 schestowitz-TR; on the shirt
13:21 matey; cheetonazi is soliciting more foreign interference again <- its obviously a lot worse when a former president does it
13:21 matey; though quite a lot of people during bush ii were asking the rest of the world to please invade
13:21 matey; im not entirely sure its the same thing at all, just noting it for completeness
13:23 matey; i was never terribly fond of the sedition act, trump doesnt change this
13:23 matey; fwiw i dont think foreign invasion is generally a good (or effective) way to liberate anything (except oil, then its effective)
13:24 matey; /me wonders if its sedition for the south to accept help from britain AFTER seceding
13:25 matey; probably, buy technically i dont know
13:26 matey; suppose that putin takes over the united states-- i know thats hilarious, just for the sake of argument
13:27 matey; are we going to call it sedition if people ask canada and mexico to please intervene
13:27 matey; i think under those circumstances sedition would be acceptable
13:27 schestowitz-TR; ha
13:27 matey; its a deliberately silly example
13:28 schestowitz-TR; better exampl
13:28 matey; as i said im not a big fan of the sedition act
13:28 schestowitz-TR; china ore russia in mexico
13:28 schestowitz-TR; and then the US invades Mexico
13:30 schestowitz-TR; when putin flies to colombia
13:30 matey; because he likes good coffee
13:30 schestowitz-TR; and coordinates actions with their guerillas \
13:30 matey; so liberate better coffee
13:30 schestowitz-TR; "we cannot allow this president biden to stay in power!!!"
13:30 schestowitz-TR; Colombia is Poland BTW
13:30 matey; interesting
13:31 schestowitz-TR; FARC
13:31 matey; that reminds me
13:31 matey; FART FART FART FART is from twitter, yes?
13:31 schestowitz; https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/29/nato-notes/
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13:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/29/nato-notes/
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13:31 TR Bot; Notes - CounterPunch.org
13:32 schestowitz; better and new: https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/29/bidens-unhinged-call-for-regime-change-in-russia/
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13:32 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/29/bidens-unhinged-call-for-regime-change-in-russia/
13:32 TR Bot; Unhinged Call for Regime Change in Russia - CounterPunch.org
13:32 schestowitz; he basically went to poland
13:32 schestowitz; next to belarus
13:33 schestowitz; and gave marching orders of sorts
13:33 schestowitz; like US wants to also decide for russia who should run it
13:33 schestowitz; like putin allegedly did in US
13:33 matey; when i was a kid i suspected the world was probably crazy
13:33 matey; i had no idea how much though
13:33 schestowitz; remembe rthe Trumps met Putin's officials
13:33 schestowitz; to coordinate their campaign
13:33 schestowitz; while I oppose fake news
13:34 schestowitz; and exeggerations
13:34 matey; lol
13:34 schestowitz; this one was not denied by the Trumps
13:34 matey; like US wants to also decide for russia who should run it <- this is what facebook is for
13:34 schestowitz; why would a campaign for US presidency involve meeting Putin's folks?
13:34 schestowitz; yes, FB is part of many
13:34 schestowitz; many parts
13:34 matey; facebook is like the united nations except with shitty algorithms
13:34 schestowitz; and they can swap them around
13:34 schestowitz; gulagtube takes of the mask more and more
13:35 schestowitz; https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/29/facebook-users-emotions-news-feeds
=> ↺ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/29/facebook-users-emotions-news-feeds
13:35 TR Bot; Facebook reveals news feed experiment to control emotions | Facebook | The Guardian
13:35 matey; if russia wants to interfere with an election, thats what facebook is for
13:35 schestowitz; biul''s guardian
13:35 matey; if america wants to interfere with the russian government, facebook can help with that too
13:35 schestowitz; bill's broadcasting corp.: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28051930
=> ↺ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28051930
13:35 TR Bot; Facebook emotion experiment sparks criticism - BBC News
13:35 matey; who needs the united nations when you have zuckerberg?
13:35 matey; "they trust us, dumb fucks"-- united nations
13:36 schestowitz-TR; \FB has many producta
13:36 schestowitz-TR; not meteverse
13:36 schestowitz-TR; products like "brexit"
13:36 schestowitz-TR; products like "borisnaro"
13:36 matey; SR -> NKVD -> KGB -> FB
13:37 schestowitz-TR; faecbook: we have a CATALOGUE
13:37 schestowitz-TR; 20 million Brits
13:37 schestowitz-TR; will 1) spy
13:37 schestowitz-TR; 2) indoctrinate
13:37 schestowitz-TR; 3) report back
13:37 schestowitz-TR; for canvassing
13:37 matey; PBS
13:37 schestowitz-TR; PBS funded by Bill
13:38 matey; practically bills station
13:38 schestowitz-TR; like Bill's PR (NPR)
13:38 matey; npr, national philanthropist radio
13:38 schestowitz-TR; PBS did ask him one or two questions about the "rich people" though
13:38 schestowitz-TR; the bribes were not enough I guess
13:38 schestowitz-TR; he must have panicked
13:38 schestowitz-TR; he did visible snapped
13:38 schestowitz-TR; "I'm PAYING you"
13:38 matey; "what do you mean by 'rich people'"
13:39 schestowitz-TR; don't ask me about "well he's dea"
13:39 schestowitz-TR; *dead
13:39 schestowitz-TR; riuch people
13:39 schestowitz-TR; he said it himself
13:39 matey; reich people?
13:39 schestowitz-TR; he was close to epstein
13:39 schestowitz-TR; because he know lots of rich people
13:39 matey; maxwell house
13:39 schestowitz-TR; but epstein mostly provided confidential maccess to 'little people'
13:40 schestowitz-TR; Gates is the one with contacts among "rich people"
13:40 schestowitz-TR; even Saudis
13:40 schestowitz-TR; so the internal JOKE here before
13:40 schestowitz-TR; that "rich people" is code
13:40 schestowitz-TR; it's a joke
13:40 schestowitz-TR; but still fitting
13:40 schestowitz-TR; epstein DID know a lot of "rich people"
13:41 schestowitz-TR; he literally smuggled thousands of them
13:41 schestowitz-TR; he hooked up "rich people" (quotes) with rich people
13:41 matey; daughter swapping?
13:41 schestowitz-TR; in marshal island or virgin island or just in the air
13:41 schestowitz-TR; where it's no-man's land
13:42 schestowitz-TR; about 20 years ago they did a survey in china
13:42 schestowitz-TR; they found that the most wanted sperm was bill's
13:42 schestowitz-TR; don't ask me why
13:42 matey; weird
13:42 schestowitz-TR; and I find that disgusting
13:43 schestowitz-TR; but ever since the epstein thing and rick allen jones arrest it never seemed (or seamed) the same
13:43 schestowitz-TR; and I don't even want to think about it tbh...
13:43 schestowitz-TR; but the media should
13:43 schestowitz-TR; the US law enforcement should
13:43 matey; the le always work for the rich
13:43 schestowitz-TR; let's encrypt
13:44 schestowitz-TR; LE
13:44 schestowitz-TR; let's encrypt = law enfoircement
13:44 matey; it doesnt matter what the guy on the beat does, its the organisation he works for that matters
13:44 schestowitz-TR; that's a funny one
13:44 schestowitz-TR; I trust the CA of LE
13:44 schestowitz-TR; Law Enforcement
13:44 schestowitz-TR; /sarcasm maybe LE is CODE for something..... wwwwwwwwwhooooooooo
13:45 matey; little entertainment
13:45 matey; you know regardless of what the findings were
13:45 schestowitz-TR; well, you see.
13:45 matey; the idea of doing a survey in china to find out what sperm is the most wanted
13:45 matey; thats a really weird survey to begin with
13:45 schestowitz-TR; that's where "Court of public opinion" helps
13:45 schestowitz-TR; IBM lawsuits were dropped
13:46 schestowitz-TR; but IBM remained scarred
13:46 schestowitz-TR; by its past
13:46 schestowitz-TR; and FB loses many usersa
13:46 schestowitz-TR; AND admits this
13:46 schestowitz-TR; at long last
13:46 schestowitz-TR; Twitter also admits faking its reach
13:46 schestowitz-TR; and paid a lot to settle with shareholders after they had sued
13:46 matey; this does not read like a cbs article
13:46 matey; Gates Grant to Fund Testicle-Blasting Contraceptive - CBS News
13:46 schestowitz-TR; so even without LE we can get a little justice
13:46 matey; article <- title
13:46 schestowitz-TR; and, if we get popcorn, a little entertainment
13:47 schestowitz-TR; matey: it's so effective you end up with a voice like Bill's!
13:47 schestowitz-TR; rianne is always bemused by his voice
13:47 schestowitz-TR; "mouse"
13:48 matey; foreignpolicy.com/2007/07/30/the-sperm-donors-chinese-women-want-most/
13:49 schestowitz-TR; slow down, ladies
13:49 schestowitz-TR; get your jar ready
13:49 schestowitz-TR; for the "rich people"
13:50 matey; im guessing this is a right-wing news site
13:50 matey; its the only hit i found with the story
13:50 schestowitz-TR; no
13:50 matey; The Slate Group
13:50 schestowitz-TR; it';s corporatist site
13:51 schestowitz-TR; and imperialist
13:51 schestowitz-TR; but not right/left
13:51 matey; The creation of The Slate Group was announced by Donald Graham, the chairman and CEO of The Washington Post Company, in a press release on June 4, 2008.
13:51 matey; hmm
13:51 matey; st site
13:51 matey; #techrights : 03/30/22 12:51 <- just the logo made me think it was right wing
13:52 matey; and imperialist <- meant to point to this
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13:52 matey; i consider imperialist right wing, but point taken
13:52 schestowitz-TR; imperialism is not right wing (anymore)
13:52 schestowitz-TR; see Blair
13:53 matey; thats because the "left" is imperialist (but i still think thats)
13:53 matey; i used to call him tory blair
13:53 schestowitz-TR; B'Liar
13:53 matey; rms i think
13:53 schestowitz-TR; rms called his mate Gordon Clown
13:54 schestowitz-TR; What's his uptime?
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14:00 psydruid; > though quite a lot of people during bush ii were asking the rest of the world to please invade
14:00 psydruid; have some people lost all hope in the country's "leadership"?
14:00 TR News; Proprietary Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163141
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14:00 TR Bot; Proprietary Leftovers | Tux Machines
14:01 matey; the usa is largely divided
14:02 matey; it used to be part of the presidents job to bring the country together including those who didnt vote for them
14:02 matey; not to run it like two different countries, with one in charge of the other during a term
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14:02 matey; now the latter imo describes the way america is "managed"
14:03 matey; i say "managed" rather then "run" because the former implies a lot of it is image-based
14:03 matey; image management
14:03 matey; which describes contemporary politics better than "running a country" does
14:03 matey; no matter who you vote for, you always get the kardashians
14:04 matey; its a television-based regime
14:04 schestowitz-TR; the us is divided
14:04 schestowitz-TR; 22 millionaires
14:04 schestowitz-TR; 250,000,000-300,000,000 poor people
14:04 schestowitz-TR; and a few left in between
14:05 schestowitz-TR; putting their savings in Wall Street
14:05 matey; 22 millionaires <- i dated one of them
14:05 matey; im sure you didnt mean 22 millionaires
14:05 schestowitz-TR; because the interest in the bank is sub $wall street will each them next
14:05 schestowitz-TR; and then celebrate another 1 million millionaires and a thousand billionaires
14:06 schestowitz-TR; their media, like washpo, will write about "Difficult People" pooing on pavements
14:06 schestowitz-TR; 22 million millionaires
14:06 schestowitz-TR; it's hard to type that
14:06 matey; yeah im not giving you shit about typos
14:06 matey; but i didnt know what you meant
14:07 schestowitz; https://usdebtclock.org/
14:07 TR Bot; U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
14:07 schestowitz; total us debt 89 trillion
14:07 schestowitz; 22 trillion personal debt
14:07 matey; their media, like washpo, will write about "Difficult People" pooing on pavements <- at least they dont poo on peoples doorsteps, like wapo does
14:08 matey; /me used to call it "the washington compost"
14:08 schestowitz; gdp 24 trillion
14:08 schestowitz; national debt 30+
14:08 matey; they did have a legacy of good reporting
14:08 matey; its just they were long past that by the time jeff bought them
14:08 matey; no, other jeff
14:09 schestowitz; it says 22.11 million millionaires
14:09 schestowitz; but not sure how they define that
14:09 schestowitz; a million in assets
14:09 schestowitz; in bank
14:09 matey; in assets im sure
14:09 schestowitz; do kids of a millionaire parent count
14:09 schestowitz; what if divorced?
14:09 matey; no
14:10 matey; kids that dont have a million in their own account would not count
14:10 matey; outside of people magazine
14:10 schestowitz; anyway, US will have more billioanire
14:11 schestowitz; until SHTF
14:11 schestowitz; then they will move elsewhere
14:11 schestowitz; like NZ
14:11 matey; or an alice cooper album
14:11 schestowitz; they already got the dual/passport/naturalisation going
14:11 schestowitz; like Syprus
14:11 schestowitz; Cyprus
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14:11 schestowitz; the latest:
14:11 schestowitz; https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/11/9/21547055/eric-schmidt-google-citizen-cyprus-european-union
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14:11 TR Bot; Google CEO Eric Schmidt has applied to become a citizen of Cyprus - Vox
14:11 schestowitz; https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/09/eric-schmidt-reportedly-applied-to-become-a-citizen-of-cyprus.html
=> ↺ https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/09/eric-schmidt-reportedly-applied-to-become-a-citizen-of-cyprus.html
14:11 TR Bot; Eric Schmidt reportedly applied to become a citizen of Cyprus
14:12 schestowitz; also popular among russian "oligarchs"
14:12 matey; did they reject the application?
14:13 schestowitz-TR; they would not
14:13 schestowitz-TR; they need that
14:13 matey; i wouldnt think so
14:13 bnchs; hey schestowitz
14:13 schestowitz-TR; cyprus is an oddball economy
14:13 bnchs; you're gonna love this
14:13 bnchs; https://files.catbox.moe/u8yzhk.jpg
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14:13 TR Bot; connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/u8yzhk.jpg )
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14:14 *psydruid applies for citizenship of cypress hill
14:14 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: what is this shit?
14:14 schestowitz-TR; said the toilet seat
14:15 matey; https://files.catbox.moe/u8yzhk.jpg <- are the pipes backed up or is the server just down
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14:15 schestowitz-TR; iirc, cyprus has 3 international airports
14:16 schestowitz-TR; not too far apart from each other
14:16 matey; ACTION applies for citizenship of cypress hill <- cant think of the country without thinking of the band either
14:16 schestowitz-TR; I even took taxi from one to another, due to almost missing a plane
14:16 matey; taxi! take me to the airport! "but we are already here"
14:16 bnchs; matey: well when the servers go down, it will be fun
14:16 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: "oh shit"
14:17 bnchs; people unable to flush their toilets because the smart toilet sms server stopped working
14:17 matey; "i shouldnt have eaten all that pasta, im gonna ddos my lotus tomorrow!"
14:17 *schestowitz-TR installs skype, microsoft gets list of contacts and "call" history
14:17 schestowitz-TR; (shit history
14:18 matey; /me mark z Likes This
14:18 schestowitz-TR; "user also liked..."
14:19 bnchs; smart toilet is the future now
14:19 matey; Lotus ATS-1000 is designed to provide you with unprecedented comfort in your daily toilet routine. The special Pure Stream function effectively helps to relieve constipation.
14:19 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: where does it go if you reply to the SMS? Wait, don't tell me...
14:19 matey; wow.
14:19 schestowitz-TR; (right in the shitlist)
14:20 matey; so its a smart toilet with built-in enema.
14:20 bnchs; wait what?
14:20 matey; ill get you the poo rl
14:20 matey; quote was from here https://www.homedepot.com/p/Lotus-Smart-Hygiene-Seat-ATS-1000-Advanced-Smart-Electric-Bidet-Seat-for-Elongated-Toilets-with-Remote-in-White-ATS-1000L/303396094
14:20 bnchs; the toilets gonna start blasting your ass
14:20 schestowitz-TR; see? "luxury" items
14:21 schestowitz-TR; likle bidet
14:21 bnchs; maybe a little orgasm
14:21 schestowitz-TR; gold-plated biden
14:21 matey; this is not the first toilet ive heard about with its own bidet
14:21 schestowitz-TR; with 3 cameras in it
14:21 schestowitz-TR; to cover all angles
14:21 schestowitz-TR; *bidet
14:21 schestowitz-TR; lol
14:21 matey; rich people angles
14:21 bnchs; lol 3 cameras
14:21 bnchs; gonna get careful look at your ass and dick
14:21 bnchs; sending pics to gulag
14:21 schestowitz-TR; for caliberation
14:21 bnchs; clown
14:21 schestowitz-TR; it needs to triangulate
14:22 schestowitz-TR; stereovision too
14:22 schestowitz-TR; and one spare
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14:22 schestowitz-TR; there was parody about this in gulagtube
14:22 schestowitz-TR; wait
14:22 bnchs; smart toilet
14:22 bnchs; want to shit real bad
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14:22 bnchs; shits out a big dump
14:23 bnchs; flushes
14:23 bnchs; "please verify before flushing"
14:23 bnchs; i remember i changed phone numbers
14:23 matey; no ones joked about a toilet that takes selfies yet?
14:23 schestowitz-TR; I see lots of parodies
14:23 schestowitz-TR; cannot remember which one I saw about 5 years ago
14:23 matey; i mean why just tweet what youve eaten BEFORE you eat it
14:23 matey; sometimes its more impressive later
14:24 bnchs; orginial source:
14:24 bnchs; https://nitter.net/atdanwhite/status/1508578360217292802
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14:24 TR Bot; Dan White (@atdanwhite): "Does anyone know how to turn off two-factor authentication on their Lotus SmartToilet? Driving me insane." | nitter
14:24 schestowitz; MAYBE this: Smart Pipe | Infomercials | Adult Swim - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=DJklHwoYgBQ
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14:24 TR Bot; Smart Pipe | Infomercials | Adult Swim - Invidious
14:25 bnchs; adult swim parody comes true
14:25 schestowitz; Guy Martin Tries Out a Japanese Toilet? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=e767uc1aBJo
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14:25 TR Bot; Guy Martin Tries Out a Japanese Toilet? - Invidious
14:26 schestowitz; Why You Need to Try a High-Tech Japanese Toilet - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GZRwI7m7gnw
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14:26 TR Bot; Why You Need to Try a High-Tech Japanese Toilet - Invidious
14:26 matey; its not difficult to understand why kurt vonnegut killed himself
14:26 matey; this is the sort of thing he was trying to avoid
14:26 TR News; 10 Lightweight Linux Distributions for your Old Hardware in 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163142
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14:26 TR Bot; 10 Lightweight Linux Distributions for your Old Hardware in 2022 | Tux Machines
14:27 bnchs; a toilet does 1 job and it does it good
14:27 matey; unix philosophy!
14:27 bnchs; you want smart toilet, go use toiletd
14:27 schestowitz-TR; having electronics there might be 'OK'
14:27 schestowitz-TR; Biden need not be evil, either
14:27 matey; some people think it should have never been extended to cover #2 and they should have used a different tool for the job
14:27 schestowitz-TR; the issue isn't the technofascism
14:27 schestowitz-TR; but the connection of it to other things
14:27 schestowitz-TR; like "smart" sex toys
14:28 schestowitz-TR; and all those "wearable" things
14:28 bnchs; smart sex toys?
14:28 bnchs; holy shit
14:28 matey; toiletd-- now also has a sink for handwashing
14:28 schestowitz-TR; internet-connected
14:28 schestowitz-TR; they send stats and stuff
14:28 matey; and a toothbrush holder
14:28 matey; and a bathtub
14:28 bnchs; i've actually seen a free software driver for.....
14:28 bnchs; sex toys
14:28 schestowitz-TR; electroric toothbrush fine
14:28 schestowitz-TR; not for me but fine
14:28 schestowitz-TR; I use electric shaver again
14:28 schestowitz-TR; due to cost of gas now
14:29 schestowitz-TR; but the shaver does not need to connect to anything like a router
14:29 schestowitz-TR; it can also run on batteries
14:29 schestowitz-TR; just need power to rotate
14:29 matey; like "smart" sex toys and all those "wearable" things <- and wearble sex toys
14:29 schestowitz-TR; a microwave needs to have power to heat
14:29 schestowitz-TR; and that's heat
14:29 schestowitz-TR; maybe a clock
14:29 schestowitz-TR; and that's it
14:29 bnchs; matey: people unironically wear soy toys
14:30 schestowitz-TR; my mind went there for a sec
14:30 matey; clock makes sense because-- leaving a microwave on until you turn it off is a bad idea
14:30 bnchs; i means ex toys
14:30 matey; ovens have clocks too
14:30 schestowitz-TR; or you can use fire alarrm as a clock
14:30 schestowitz-TR; or smoke alarm
14:30 schestowitz-TR; that works too
14:30 matey; matey: people unironically wear soy toys <- some are meant to be used that way
14:30 schestowitz-TR; but the food doesn't taste good
14:30 schestowitz-TR; it's also more hassle
14:30 schestowitz-TR; if you can get back in there
14:31 bnchs; i need a smart oven
14:31 schestowitz-TR; zbtw, today's "smart" kitchen appliances
14:31 schestowitz-TR; would not work well
14:31 schestowitz-TR; bad testing
14:31 schestowitz-TR; remote updates
14:31 schestowitz-TR; breaking things
14:31 schestowitz-TR; even basics like the clock
14:31 schestowitz-TR; they will ship fast
14:31 schestowitz-TR; without testing
14:31 matey; /me has a smart pan
14:31 schestowitz-TR; causing house fires and ruin
14:32 matey; when you put it on the burner, it gets hot
14:32 matey; how does it know?
14:32 bnchs; smart oven doing endian conversion
14:32 schestowitz-TR; "just keep the oven on "OTA" updates"
14:32 matey; when you take it off the burner, it cools off automatically!
14:32 bnchs; "setting tempurate to 12388495C"
14:32 matey; technology is amazing
14:32 schestowitz-TR; the likelihood of things breaking will increase
14:32 schestowitz-TR; inc. basics
14:32 schestowitz-TR; airplanes try to separate steering from infotainment
14:33 schestowitz-TR; but for cost-savings that's no longer true
14:33 schestowitz-TR; so passenger can hijack the whole plane
14:33 schestowitz-TR; and even steer it
14:33 schestowitz-TR; (happened)
14:33 matey; thats why pilots should never share their account password with passengers
14:33 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: press "Report Bug"
14:33 schestowitz-TR; "this incident will be reported."
14:34 bnchs; now just imagine someone using the oven to cook something illegal
14:34 matey; /me tried to use bug report once
14:34 bnchs; or its smoking or some shit
14:34 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: like pork
14:34 matey; i thought they were going to come kill it
14:34 bnchs; yeah pork
14:34 schestowitz-TR; "it looks like you are a cooking a dog"
14:34 matey; they just told me to upgrade to the latest version
14:34 bnchs; "haram food detected. this incident will be reported to ISIS"
14:34 schestowitz-TR; oven: "oh, never mind, you have a chinese ip address. never mind , bon appetie"
14:35 matey; i told them i didnt want to upgrade it, i wanted to uninstall it
14:35 bnchs; "geolocation reported to nearest Islamic State fighters"
14:35 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: if you live in afghanistan
14:35 schestowitz-TR; and then the taliban takes over
14:35 schestowitz-TR; and raids the Oven Inc. company
14:36 schestowitz-TR; fot server logs
14:36 matey; iot = internet of taliban
14:36 psydruid; lol
14:36 schestowitz-TR; matey: don\t make fun
14:36 bnchs; its more like
14:36 schestowitz-TR; "this incident will be reported."
14:36 schestowitz-TR; "I kill you@@"
14:36 bnchs; the taliban will find the source code of the oven firmware
14:36 bnchs; and modify it to report haram food
14:36 bnchs; and then send the "update"
14:37 schestowitz-TR; it'll be sent in batches
14:37 schestowitz-TR; overnight
14:37 schestowitz-TR; to throw reverse engineers off the scent
14:37 schestowitz-TR; that's what gulag does with android
14:37 schestowitz-TR; maybe other devices like nest
14:37 schestowitz-TR; "to improve your experience"
14:38 schestowitz-TR; "to improve your battery life"
14:38 schestowitz-TR; we send in patches
14:38 schestowitz-TR; aggregated "BIG DATA"
14:38 schestowitz-TR; some data
14:38 schestowitz-TR; nothiong fancy
14:38 matey; patches?
14:38 schestowitz-TR; just data
14:38 matey; patches?
14:38 schestowitz-TR; it's just "meta" anyway
14:38 matey; we dont need no steenking patches
14:38 schestowitz-TR; nothing personal
14:38 schestowitz-TR; iPatch
14:38 schestowitz-TR; (eye patch)
14:38 schestowitz-TR; sinatra stuffed his head in the oven
14:38 schestowitz-TR; at least once
14:39 schestowitz-TR; the oven wasn't smart enough
14:39 schestowitz-TR; alexa did not listen
14:39 bnchs; what if
14:39 matey; they got under his skin
14:39 bnchs; the taliban got access to alexa firmware source code and the update servers
14:39 schestowitz-TR; matey: well done, well done
14:39 schestowitz-TR; and now the end is near
14:40 matey; thats life
14:40 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: maybe all those echos in afghanistan will come in handy
14:40 schestowitz-TR; it has long been said these devices will turn sour in the "wrong" hands
14:40 bnchs; taliban driving with a speaker van
14:40 schestowitz-TR; of course the pentagon and its privatised offshots are also "wrong" hands
14:41 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: to detect people who - gasp - listen to music
14:41 matey; its "my way" or the huawei
14:41 bnchs; yes music is haram
14:41 schestowitz-TR; or detect faces if females
14:41 schestowitz-TR; not covered
14:41 bnchs; "ALEXA, WHAT DOES MY SHOPPING CART HAVE"
14:42 matey; native americans used to say that a camera would steal your soul
14:42 matey; they were off by at least a hundred years, but still
14:42 matey; "to be fair, we had never heard of a phone camera"
14:42 schestowitz-TR; stealing my photons
14:42 schestowitz-TR; the clown does
14:43 schestowitz-TR; the cloud
14:43 schestowitz-TR; and the clown
14:43 matey; "or a smart bidet"
14:43 schestowitz-TR; or smart biden
14:43 matey; enjoy your flush
14:43 schestowitz-TR; luck be a lady
14:44 bnchs; "warning. blood detected in toilet"
14:44 bnchs; "this incident will be reported"
14:44 bnchs; "flushing disabled"
14:44 TR News; Whats new in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.6 Beta Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163143
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14:44 TR Bot; What's new in Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.6 Beta | Tux Machines
14:45 matey; /me is waiting for the iphone to be replaced with a seashell
14:45 MinceR; i already had a Seashell, it was an EeePC model :>
14:45 matey; but what did the other 2 do?
14:46 TR News; Linux Mint Cinnamon vs MATE: Which One To Choose? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163144
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14:46 TR Bot; Linux Mint Cinnamon vs MATE: Which One To Choose? | Tux Machines
14:46 MinceR; i only had one
14:46 MinceR; actually i think the name was that of the design, probably the second EeePC design they had
14:46 schestowitz-TR; enjoy your microphone with a BOOTLOADER
14:47 schestowitz-TR; and microwave, too
14:47 matey; GNU Typist is currently being maintained by Mihai Gtejescu <- thats kind of mean
14:47 schestowitz-TR; coming soon: bootloader on your covid-10 disposable test kit
14:47 MinceR; lol @ microwave scare
14:47 schestowitz-TR; some disposable test kids come with a full electric circuit
14:47 matey; "im learning how to type with this software, who can i thank?"
14:47 schestowitz-TR; thrown away after one use
14:47 matey; "Mihai Gtejescu"
14:48 matey; "you know maybe ill just learn the piano"
14:48 bnchs; mihai
14:48 bnchs; gate jes cu
14:48 bnchs; i dont understand
14:48 schestowitz-TR; "wait, I cannot cook the meal yet, the microwave is rebooting and after the upgrade it has systemd"
14:49 schestowitz-TR; (I also hook up external screen to the microwave)
14:49 matey; /me thanks lennart for turning every instance of "system" in the world to a typo
14:49 schestowitz-TR; (don't ask... wayland compatibility issues with the onboard screen)
14:49 bnchs; Microsoft Microwave
14:49 bnchs; Updating.... 0% Please don't shutdown the microwave
14:50 matey; /me flips the clock on his microwave around to convert it to tablet/hicachi mode
14:50 schestowitz-TR; new onboard screen would cost more than a new microwave of the same kind
14:50 schestowitz-TR; the external screen has 4 USB ports, but I don't use them...
14:50 matey; its actually hibachi mode, but this is a cheap knockoff
14:50 schestowitz-TR; and it uses HDMI
14:50 schestowitz-TR; so it has a speaker there too
14:51 schestowitz-TR; now I can amplify the sound of the frying
14:51 matey; toiletd now has its own microwave
14:51 matey; dont fucking ask me why
14:51 schestowitz-TR; "my microwave keeps asking for the wifi password"
14:52 schestowitz-TR; it says something "DHCP" after the latest OTA update
14:52 schestowitz-TR; so I can only cook in "basic" mode
14:53 schestowitz-TR; and "defrost"
14:53 schestowitz-TR; "oh well..."
14:53 schestowitz-TR; "at least it's smart"
14:53 matey; oh hey, github is doing a captcha
14:53 matey; nie
14:54 schestowitz-TR; tor?
14:54 matey; yeah
14:54 schestowitz-TR; you are the lucky o
14:54 schestowitz-TR; *one
14:54 matey; i told it im not actually from the netherlands and it let me through :)
14:54 schestowitz-TR; if you hosted a site there, it would just say "site offline"
14:54 bnchs; subscriptions
14:54 matey; ^ mincer
14:54 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: imagine smart toilet subscription
14:54 bnchs; pay for 10 flushes per month for 50$
14:54 schestowitz-TR; how much is biden mode per month?
14:55 schestowitz-TR; I don't want to be "loo pirate|"
14:55 schestowitz-TR; like toyota with the keyfob thing
14:55 schestowitz-TR; pay extra to start the car as you approach it? That's a monthly fee
14:55 schestowitz-TR; /s/biden/bidet/
14:55 schestowitz-TR; I keep making that typo
14:55 matey; /me was trying to view a developer in bucharest, but couldnt because it thought i was budapest
14:56 matey; gotta love the new internet
14:56 schestowitz-TR; but when the president has such shit ratring I cannot be blamed
14:57 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: you think thats bad?
14:57 TR News; But Microsoft's OWN criminals have NOT been arrested. Nor have the Microsofters who left these holes open. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqLZOlN9xrE
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14:57 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bqLZOlN9xrE
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14:57 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Nvidia & Microsoft Hackers Now Arrested & Doxxed - Invidious
14:57 bnchs; remember when i had to pay 10$ to unlock my frontdoor so i can go home?
14:58 bnchs; or go out
14:58 bnchs; cutaway
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14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.60 k/sec., IPFS upstream 104.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 372.46
14:59 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: the future..
14:59 schestowitz-TR; or present
14:59 schestowitz-TR; hard to keep track anymore
15:00 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163145
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15:00 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
15:00 bnchs; you think THATS bad?????
15:00 bnchs; remember when i got sick of it, and decided to smash the door open
15:00 bnchs; and the incident got reported and i got arrested
15:00 TR News; Antitrust abuses by Microsoft criminals https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/microsoft_browser_choice/
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15:00 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/microsoft_browser_choice/
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15:00 TR Bot; Microsoft moves to 1-click default browser change The Register
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15:02 TR News; They keep doing this. The criminals who keep doing this (also bribing officials) never get prosecuted and arrested. Instead they bribe the media, inc. The Verge. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/29/23001277/microsoft-windows-11-default-browser-new-options
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15:02 TR Bot; Microsoft is finally making it easier to switch default browsers in Windows 11 - The Verge
15:03 TR News; Do we have a cracker problem or a back doors problem? http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA
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15:03 TR Bot; Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights
15:03 bnchs; lol
15:04 bnchs; microsoft is finally making it "easier" to switch default browsers in windows 11
15:04 bnchs; *-10% easier
15:05 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/relatable-posts-about-work-14.jpg
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15:05 TR News; Rolling Rhino: A rolling-release remix of Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163034#comment-33236
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15:05 TR Bot; Ubuntu becomes a rolling release with Rolling Rhino | Tux Machines
15:05 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: microsoft clap clap crackers caught
15:05 schestowitz-TR; after exploiting our back doors
15:05 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: microsoft clap clap we stopped shipping malware
15:06 schestowitz-TR; after blaming "open source" (brandon)
15:06 schestowitz-TR; THANK YOU, Microsoft!
15:06 bnchs; yes
15:06 bnchs; they like to stage shit for PR stunts
15:06 bnchs; every company does
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15:19 psydruid; as if anything is going to save them anymore
15:20 psydruid; they probably lost so many users to all of this bs that they couldn't do anything other than "condone" setting another browser as the default in one place
15:21 schestowitz-TR; antitrust action is business risk
15:21 schestowitz-TR; historically, when Microsoft wilkl trying to dodge heavy fines
15:22 schestowitz-TR; it was spinning it in the media as an act of goodwill
15:22 schestowitz-TR; one example uis Samba/SMB
15:22 schestowitz-TR; and then people like Me. NON-secure boot
15:22 schestowitz-TR; would help them spin that, too
15:22 schestowitz-TR; or microsoft 'support' for ODF
15:22 schestowitz-TR; which is bogus
15:22 schestowitz-TR; and was designed to advance their OOXML agenda
15:27 TR News; "former IBM data scientist, has sued Big Blue for gender discrimination and retaliation after he complained that he was not being offered the same family leave options available to his women colleagues." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/ibm_equality_lawsuit/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Ageism
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15:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/ibm_equality_lawsuit/
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15:27 TR Bot; Axed IBM scientist sues over alleged gender discrimination The Register
15:27 TR Bot; IBM - Techrights
15:27 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163146
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15:27 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
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15:29 TR News; EmuDeck makes emulation on Steam Deck nice and simple | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/emudeck-makes-emulation-on-steam-deck-nice-and-simple/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
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15:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/emudeck-makes-emulation-on-steam-deck-nice-and-simple/
15:29 TR Bot; makes emulation on Steam Deck nice and simple | GamingOnLinux
15:30 TR News; "RetroArch, the very popular application front-end for emulators and more has a new release out and it includes better support for the Steam Deck. The improvements benefit all Steam users of course but, for the Steam Deck especially, it's awesome." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/retroarch-gets-big-steam-deck-improvements/
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15:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/retroarch-gets-big-steam-deck-improvements/
15:30 TR Bot; gets big Steam Deck improvements | GamingOnLinux
15:37 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/relatable-posts-about-work-23.jpg
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15:41 TR News; Dennis Payne on Free/Libre Computer Games and Game Restoration | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/freesw-game-restoration/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/30/freesw-game-restoration/
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15:41 TR Bot; Dennis Payne on Free/Libre Computer Games and Game Restoration | Techrights
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15:46 TR News; The Netherlands needs drug reform (yes, really) gemini://drewdevault.com/2022/03/30/Marijuana-reform-in-NL.gmi
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15:49 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163147
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15:49 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
15:51 TR News; This week Germany will have more confirmed COVID-19 cases than the UK. The survival rate is vastly higher there.
15:56 TR News; SPAMnil, who ruined LINUX.COM, seems to have broken a new record. 9 videos views in 8 days. I reckon those views are just SPAMnil and his "guest" checking that the video works. GulagTube says he has 22.2k subscribers. I LOL.
15:56 schestowitz-TR; one per day
15:56 schestowitz-TR; upon debut
15:56 schestowitz-TR; sort of like linux.com
15:57 schestowitz-TR; 50 views a week
15:57 schestowitz-TR; for their spam
15:58 TR News; Richard Stallman's impending talk is not listed here https://stallman.org/talks.html
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15:58 TR Bot; Talks - Richard Stallman
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16:21 TR News; No More COVID-19 Testing Kits, But the Numbers Are Soaring, Plague Unresolved http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/30/plague-unresolved/
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16:21 TR Bot; Blog Archive No More COVID-19 Testing Kits, But the Numbers Are Soaring, Plague Unresolved
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16:26 TR News; Wasting a Raspberry Pi to promote Microsoft's proprietary vendor lock-in that's in effect an attack on Free software and on Git https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/github_issue_printer/
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16:26 TR Bot; Dev rigs up receipt printer to spit out GitHub issues The Register
16:26 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-picturers-3-24-22-7.jpg
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16:27 TR News; "The modern CIO role has morphed into one that is equal parts technologist, business strategist, and transformational change agent." Mostly buzzwords slinging, no real substance. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/leadership-tips-cios-evolve-digital-strategy
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16:27 TR Bot; 5 leadership tips for CIOs to evolve their digital strategy | The Enterprisers Project
16:28 TR News; More buzzwords salad: "But how do we as leaders cultivate these qualities in our teams and create a culture of resiliency?" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/build-resilient-it-team
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16:28 TR Bot; Want to build a resilient IT team? Follow this advice | The Enterprisers Project
16:32 TR News; ICBM is promoting lots of mindless buzzwords https://opensource.com/article/22/3/aqua-security-devsecops
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16:32 TR Bot; Aqua Security is approaching DevSecOps in 2022 | Opensource.com
16:34 TR News; Seems like a bubble. You don't need a special company for this. HP trying to buy itself an identity https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/hp_buys_poly/
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16:34 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/hp_buys_poly/
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16:34 TR Bot; HP buys office-telco firm Poly, in bet on hybrid work trend The Register
16:35 XRevan86; activelow: Pieskov stated that the transition of payments to rubles is a slow process.
16:35 XRevan86; activelow: Seems like this went nowhere, who knew.
16:35 schestowitz-TR; piesk off!!
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16:40 XRevan86; It's a mystery why Putin even demanded payment in rubles in the first place. "Compromised currencies" are magic words that I will leave to ctivelow, in reality Russia wants these currencies, and my only hypothesis is that conversion of euros and dollars in Russian banks would help the Russian ruble's exchange rate.
16:40 XRevan86; I.e. injecting the Russian ruble as a MITM to help it out.
16:41 TR News; GNUnet 0.16.3 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163148
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16:41 TR Bot; GNUnet 0.16.3 | Tux Machines
16:41 TR News; App Icons Taskbar Puts Running Apps in GNOME Shells Top Bar Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163149
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16:41 XRevan86; But the existing contracts don't allow that, the buyers aren't willing to bend over, and all Russia can do in that situation is say "okay"
16:41 TR Bot; App Icons Taskbar Puts Running Apps in GNOME Shells Top Bar | Tux Machines
16:42 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: the Ruble is shaky like Putin
16:42 XRevan86; Who needs whom more?
16:44 XRevan86; schestowitz: They employed some weird machinations, and the Russian ruble by the Central Bank exchange rate went down to 83 rubles for a dollar.
16:45 TR News; "While this experience is open for everyone, Igalia expressly invites women (both cis and trans), trans men, and genderqueer people to apply." Filling quotas. https://blogs.igalia.com/siglesias/2022/03/30/Igalia-Coding-Experience-GSOC-Outreachy-EVoC/
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16:45 TR Bot; Igalia Coding Experience, GSoC, Outreachy, EVoC - Samuel Iglesias Gonslvez's blog
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16:45 XRevan86; Machinations like limiting foreign currencies' operations in Russia, restricting the stock market, et al.
16:46 XRevan86; Didn't expect that all this would fly, but evidently it does.
16:46 schestowitz-TR; does trading in USD get you flagged foreign agent?
16:46 schestowitz-TR; it s de facto martial law in russia
16:46 schestowitz-TR; today I read 15k Russian had died already
16:46 schestowitz-TR; those are front liners
16:47 schestowitz-TR; probably the "better" among combatants
16:47 schestowitz-TR; with the best equipment
16:47 *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights
16:47 schestowitz-TR; not reserves and spares
16:47 XRevan86; Moving USDs abroad is a legal offence of some kind indeed.
16:47 XRevan86; https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://rbc.ru/finances/30/03/2022/624441a49a79475c35453a44 check this out.
16:47 TR Bot;
16:47 XRevan86; > The Central Bank recommended different rates to banks for importers and other companies
16:48 schestowitz-TR; US gov: let's sanction Russians
16:48 schestowitz-TR; UK gov: let's sanction Russians
16:48 schestowitz-TR; EU govs: let's sanction Russians
16:48 schestowitz-TR; Russian gov: let's sanction Russians
16:49 XRevan86; Ye're not wrong.
16:49 schestowitz-TR; funnt thing is this:
16:49 schestowitz-TR; media mentions putin and russia interchangeably
16:50 schestowitz-TR; while highlighting putin being a dictator
16:50 XRevan86; Even I do that.
16:50 schestowitz-TR; if he's a dictator, then he lacks the consent of russia
16:50 schestowitz-TR; so why assume russia=putin?
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16:51 schestowitz-TR; look at EPO
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16:51 schestowitz-TR; we do not assume patent examiners are management
16:51 schestowitz-TR; or that they support Team UPC
16:51 XRevan86; Well, the current lines of thought don't really account for dictatorships of this calibre.
16:51 schestowitz-TR; so we help them attack the management and it works
16:52 XRevan86; Late USSR was a lot more liberal than what Russia has now.
16:53 TR News; Oracle adds autoML to its MySQL HeatWave service - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/oracle_automl_mysql/ Source: theregister
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16:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/oracle_automl_mysql/
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16:53 TR Bot; Oracle adds autoML to its MySQL HeatWave service The Register
16:53 XRevan86; Also we live in the times when a dictator can literally rule the country from a bunker.
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16:54 schestowitz-TR; he has a palace, no?
16:54 schestowitz-TR; Putin's palance
16:54 schestowitz-TR; and subs
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16:54 XRevan86; It's under reconstruction.
16:55 schestowitz-TR; heh, maybe he'll make a palace inside a sub, too
16:55 schestowitz-TR; just to keep safe
16:55 schestowitz-TR; "lay low, Vlad"
16:55 XRevan86; He never actually lived there.
16:55 schestowitz-TR; He's Putin some new stuff in there
16:56 TR News; Games: TFC: The Fertile Crescent, EmuDeck, RetroArch Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163150
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16:56 TR Bot; Games: TFC: The Fertile Crescent, EmuDeck, RetroArch | Tux Machines
16:56 XRevan86; The original (super expensive of course) design had flawed ventilation and the palace molded.
16:56 TR News; Dennis is a free software game developer in his spare time. http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/freesw-game-restoration/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/freesw-game-restoration/
16:56 TR Bot; Dennis Payne on Free/Libre Computer Games and Game Restoration | Techrights
16:57 TR News; IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163151
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16:57 TR Bot; IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.65 k/sec., IPFS upstream 93.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 479.76
16:59 TR News; Dude, only NSApple is allowed to do THAT https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/apple_watch_tracking_allegations/
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16:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/apple_watch_tracking_allegations/
16:59 TR Bot; Man accused of trying to track woman using Apple Watch The Register
17:01 MinceR; (cat) https://i.imgur.com/YQ79Kz5.jpeg
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17:01 Alternative link; Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/YQ79Kz5.jpeg
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17:02 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: better than humans
17:02 XRevan86; Also a lot of previous understandings of how the Russian rulership works flew out of the window when it became evident that the Russian "elite" can suffer huge losses and still do nothing.
17:02 schestowitz-TR; same in the West
17:03 schestowitz-TR; this is not a Russian problem
17:03 schestowitz-TR; Russia just has it too
17:03 schestowitz-TR; What ELSE could it do?
17:04 schestowitz-TR; the oligarchs don't have nukes
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17:04 schestowitz-TR; they rely on the Army being on their side too
17:04 MinceR; 30 180234 < schestowitz-TR> MinceR: better than humans
17:04 MinceR; indeed
17:04 schestowitz-TR; that's why you post pussy pics (cat pics)
17:05 schestowitz-TR; bigs cats love humans
17:05 XRevan86; Looks like Putin can do anything and don't have this authority threatened. Even absolute monarchs of the past didn't have that luxury.
17:05 schestowitz-TR; microsoft loves linux
17:06 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: trump fell out of favour
17:06 XRevan86; But maybe I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong.
17:06 schestowitz-TR; the oligarchs found another salesman
17:06 schestowitz-TR; he tried to stage a coup
17:06 schestowitz-TR; and failed
17:06 schestowitz-TR; military did not follow, either
17:06 schestowitz-TR; but he will retry
17:07 XRevan86; Trump is too stupid to be successful.
17:07 TR News; GParted Live 1.4.0-1 Stable Release Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163152
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17:07 TR Bot; GParted Live 1.4.0-1 Stable Release | Tux Machines
17:07 schestowitz-TR; he contributes to harm to the oligarchs at one point
17:07 schestowitz-TR; beccause the salesmanship was poor
17:07 XRevan86; Also not lucky enough.
17:07 schestowitz-TR; like the tax cuts
17:07 schestowitz-TR; Biden does the same
17:07 XRevan86; Putin was a man at the right place at the right time.
17:07 schestowitz-TR; without enraging people as much
17:07 schestowitz-TR; so he is still holding the reign
17:08 schestowitz-TR; Russia should be rich like South Korea
17:08 schestowitz-TR; same for North Korea
17:08 schestowitz-TR; but they have a very shitty system
17:08 XRevan86; s/should be/could have been/
17:09 schestowitz-TR; fwiw, usa moved in the same direction
17:09 schestowitz-TR; uk going there more slowly
17:09 schestowitz-TR; (than usa)
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17:19 XRevan86; "same in the West" <- No.
17:19 XRevan86; Russia doesn't have power of the oligarchs or power of one political party, that would've been half-bad.
17:20 XRevan86; What it has is power by one unchecked unhinged man.
17:20 XRevan86; Trump tried to go against everyone else, and failed miserably.
17:21 XRevan86; That's not an example of the US being similiar to Russia, the opposite in fact.
17:31 XRevan86; Russia's economy hasn't collapsed yet though, so it's possible that the most interesting developments await us in the future.
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17:35 psydruid; I was told Yeltsin not only recommended Putin but even appointed him, which he later came to regret
17:36 MinceR; https://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/2129.html
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17:36 TR Bot; Darths & Droids
17:36 XRevan86; "which he later came to regret" <- Never heard that.
17:37 psydruid; I was wondering about that too
17:37 XRevan86; psydruid: Are ye sure ye didn't mean Berezovsky?
17:39 psydruid; XRevan86, someone told me in some other chat, but that part of Russian history is a bit unclear to me, so I don't really know who is who apart from Yeltsin and Putin (and some others like Medvedev and Lebedev)
17:40 XRevan86; psydruid: Berezovsky is an oligarch that recommended Putin to Yeltsin and funded his party and campaign.
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17:41 XRevan86; But after the election he quickly moved into opposition to Putin.
17:41 matey; XRevan86 the mitm theory is good, its half the reason usa went back to iraq
17:41 matey; you can have the oil, we just want it enumerated in dollars please
17:42 kingoffrance; "Trump tried to go against everyone else, and failed miserably." subjectively. objectively pure idolatry "love your country with all your heart, all your soul". he was 100% protect the oligarchy, they are put there by "god". monarchy on the lee plan
17:42 kingoffrance; it was entirely the "image" of an outsider
17:42 matey; trump is the image of an extraterrestrial
17:43 matey; as a cover, he hates illegal "aliens"
17:43 XRevan86; psydruid: "I was told X not only recommended Putin but even appointed him, which he later came to regret" <- I.e. this can be true if X is Boris Berezovsky.
17:43 kingoffrance; modern major extraterrestrial
17:43 matey; the very model of a
17:43 kingoffrance; :)
17:43 kingoffrance; i know! -- lee
17:43 matey; tom lehrer not so much of a g&s fan
17:44 matey; but does a marvelous parody of them
17:44 psydruid; XRevan86, maybe that person wasn't clear enough about what they meant, but the name Berezovsky does ring a bell
17:44 kingoffrance; *i dont think [there are aliens] i know!
17:44 matey; todd rundgren does a wonderful tribute, its one of my favourite songs of his
17:45 matey; it would be amusing if lehrer secretly loved the and rundgren secretly hated them
17:45 XRevan86; psydruid: He was featured in the Puppets episode that I referenced here several times.
17:46 XRevan86; The one that sparked one of the first Putin's repressive moves.
17:46 psydruid; XRevan86, is it up somewhere? I must have missed that or generally not been aware of it
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17:47 XRevan86; psydruid: https://youtu.be/eZJx9bgwdv0 sure
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17:47 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eZJx9bgwdv0
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17:47 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Dolls - Story of Putin - Little Zaches WITH ENGLISH SUBTITLES - Invidious
17:47 matey; adding to the incredible austrian cities of fucking and windpassing
17:48 matey; and of course "scunthorpe"
17:48 matey; russia has a city called "brest"
17:48 psydruid; belarus?
17:48 matey; maybe
17:49 XRevan86; psydruid: The last time I mentioned it was because "Zaches" starts with a "Z" :)
17:49 matey; my geography is notoriously shit
17:49 matey; is it belarus?
17:49 psydruid;
17:49 psydruid; yes
17:49 matey; thank you
17:49 matey; at least i might get it next time
17:49 psydruid; I lived in Poland for a while and been around the country quite a bit
17:49 matey; /me wouldnt make it 2 fucking minutes on jeopardy
17:49 psydruid; more so than many Polish people
17:50 matey; when i moved places i often find people know very little about where they live
17:50 matey; in terms of trivia
17:50 matey; they know where stuff is, but not how it got there
17:51 XRevan86; "[belarus] has a city called "brest"" <- What's the importance of this fact?
17:51 matey; names that are moderately amusing in english.
17:51 matey; but nothing beats fucking, austria
17:51 psydruid; there is another brest in France
17:52 XRevan86; Apparently Anglophones love the Russian name Semen.
17:52 matey; Semen <- hehehe
17:52 matey; if i hadnt mentioned it i wouldnt have known
17:52 schestowitz-TR; we had a goalkeeper
17:52 schestowitz-TR; david seamen
17:52 matey; oh in the south they had a governor named boner
17:52 matey; bill boner
17:52 XRevan86; matey: :)
17:52 schestowitz-TR; bohner
17:53 matey; no it was actually spelled boner
17:53 XRevan86; The accent is on the second syllable though, and in modern Russian it's an sound.
17:53 XRevan86; s/accent/stress/
17:53 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Seaman
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17:53 TR Bot; David Seaman - Wikipedia
17:53 XRevan86; So it doesn't actually sound like "semen".
17:53 psydruid; Syemyon?
17:53 XRevan86; yea
17:54 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Boner
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17:54 TR Bot; Bill Boner - Wikipedia
17:54 XRevan86; MinceR wouldn't understand :)
17:54 XRevan86; (he doesn't get "stress")
17:54 schestowitz; http://barryhugmansfootballers.com/player/17659
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17:54 TR Bot; Barry Hugman's Footballers - DavidSeaman
17:56 XRevan86; Really don't know how MinceR speaks English when the schwa is the most common vowel in English, and it can never be stressed :)
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17:56 schestowitz; he became a big fat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jOjTGVVuOg
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17:56 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=1jOjTGVVuOg
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17:56 TR Bot; yewtu.be | I Couldve Signed For MAN UTD Instead of ARSENAL | David Seaman | Season 3 Ep #2 - Invidious
17:57 psydruid; I must say that I am not that aware of the way Hungarian and other Finno-Ugric languages work
17:57 XRevan86; psydruid: Same, but we know how English works.
17:58 MinceR; XRevan86: with the stress in the wrong place some of the time, probably
17:58 psydruid; I know some, but that's just basic stuff and doesn't give me a thorough understanding
17:58 XRevan86; MinceR: So ye see the difference between "semen" and "sea-man"?
18:00 MinceR; i don't
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18:01 psydruid; I think I understand what XRevan86 means now
18:03 psydruid; a problem is that this isn't reflected in the spelling
18:04 psydruid; which makes Russian harder than other Slavic languages in this respect at least
18:04 MinceR; well, at least when teaching people russian, stress is marked
18:04 XRevan86; psydruid: I don't think ye do.
18:05 MinceR; i pretty much never saw english text with the stress marked
18:05 XRevan86; Because stress is not reflected in English spelling either, and I'm using English as an example here.
18:05 MinceR; afaik in russian spelling, stress is also often omitted
18:05 MinceR; e.g. in newspapers
18:05 XRevan86; (I did hear some people mis-stress words in English, albeit rarer than in Russian)
18:06 psydruid; XRevan86, I'm approaching this not from English, but from other Slavic languages I speak (Polish, Ukrainian and Serbian)
18:06 MinceR; afaik even is just written as
18:07 psydruid; maybe that's a curse or a blessing, depending on how you look at it
18:07 XRevan86; psydruid: I am still not completely sure what the true stress in Ukrainian is in some words.
18:08 XRevan86; There is some variation there, and I'm not always sure what the literary norm is.
18:08 psydruid; = "Syemyenov"?
18:10 XRevan86; psydruid: In Russian "" is "S'em'nov", where the first two consonants are iotated, as represented by the ' marker.
18:10 psydruid; Ah, it makes sense now
18:11 psydruid; and the are usually omitted in writing?
18:11 XRevan86; If this were a Ukrainian surname, it would've looked like "" i.e. "Semeniv"
18:11 psydruid; yes
18:11 psydruid; which makes things a lot easier
18:12 XRevan86; Because of the lack of iotation, or because the historical e is always represented in writing (either with "" or with "" depending on whether the iotation remained)
18:13 XRevan86; "" ("s'hodni"), "" ("chomu")
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18:14 matey; knocked offline by putlin
18:14 XRevan86; psydruid: Would ye know in advance where the stress in "" is?
18:14 schestowitz-TR; j/him putlin?
18:14 matey; so i learned something cool about brest, more interesting than the name
18:15 matey; j/him putlin? <- i dont know his preferred pronouns
18:15 schestowitz-TR; that is's natural?
18:15 schestowitz-TR; no, jim zemlin
18:15 *XRevan86 used that spelling because it can help me make an observation later.
18:15 schestowitz-TR; the imperial guy
18:15 matey; turns out brest is where hitler first invaded when he decided (foolishly) to take on the ussr
18:15 psydruid; XRevan86, I think it's on the first, but I wouldn't know why that would be the case
18:16 matey; now theres this guy doing an eastern european pub crawl of sorts
18:16 XRevan86; psydruid: In Ukrainian?
18:16 matey; and hes in vitebsk saying how the streets have the coolest names
18:16 matey; "red army street"
18:16 psydruid; XRevan86, oh, no idea about that
18:16 psydruid; how should one know?
18:16 psydruid; *could?
18:16 XRevan86; psydruid: No idea honestly :). But it's actually on the second syllable.
18:17 psydruid; and in Russian?
18:17 matey; schestowitz-TR i have no problem with people calling him putler if they prefer-- close enough
18:17 XRevan86; psydruid: The first syllable.
18:17 XRevan86; https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/#Russian "Old East Slavic (komnata), from Latin camnta, probably through Old High German keminta as evidenced by the initial stress"
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18:17 TR Bot; - Wiktionary
18:17 matey; though personally i think putlin is even more fitting
18:17 psydruid; that's how I knew
18:17 schestowitz-TR; I once read that zemlin might be a russian name
18:17 psydruid; only for Russian apparently
18:17 schestowitz-TR; zemlin and zemlina
18:17 matey; since thats obviously what he aspires to
18:17 XRevan86; psydruid: Now here's the kicker: in Ukrainian "o" transitioned to "i" only in stressed positions.
18:18 schestowitz-TR; not germanic as I initially assumed
18:18 TR News; "Having downloaded the Steam Deck recovery image and written to a USB using 'Rufus', I was surprised that booting on various AMD mini PCs has so far been unsuccessful whereas after just a few tweaks it successfully booted on a couple of different Intel NUCs." https://linuxiumcomau.blogspot.com/2022/03/first-look-at-steamos-3.html
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18:18 TR Bot; linuxium.com.au: First look at SteamOS 3
18:18 matey; zemlin always makes me think of a failed clear wine cooler like drink from the 1990s
18:18 matey; called zima
18:18 XRevan86; psydruid: In unstressed positions it sometimes shifts to "u" like in "", ""
18:18 matey; i think they wanted to be a wine cooler aimed at the male demographic. that failed, and mikes hard succeeded shortly thereafter
18:18 matey; because men like wine coolers too dammit
18:19 psydruid; XRevan86, that's why you get things like r -> ?
18:19 XRevan86; psydruid: I think that Ukrainian moved through a stress shift after the phonetic shift.
18:19 XRevan86; * lived through
18:19 psydruid; that's interesting
18:19 matey; and yes, as it happens i believe boner was in office when mikes hard became popular
18:19 TR News; This isn't Linux news, Liam. You're posting marketing BS for Intel/x86, which undermines the planet, security, fair competition etc. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/intel-arc-graphics-launches-for-laptops-desktop-gpus-later-this-year/
18:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/intel-arc-graphics-launches-for-laptops-desktop-gpus-later-this-year/
18:19 TR Bot; Arc Graphics launches for laptops, desktop GPUs later this year | GamingOnLinux
18:20 matey; probably a coincidence, but theres nothing like being in the right place at the right time
18:20 XRevan86; psydruid: Wiktionary gives both and
18:20 XRevan86; psydruid: I only heard "" myself. So the other variant is probably archaic and/or regional.
18:20 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zima_(drink)
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18:20 TR Bot; Zima (drink) - Wikipedia
18:20 psydruid; zemlin, from zemlja? or zima?
18:21 psydruid; the latter being winter?
18:21 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yUcq9_IsnXM
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18:21 TR Bot; Zima commercial (1994) - Invidious
18:21 XRevan86; psydruid: "that's interesting" <- Thanks, I'm pretty confident in that this is actually the case :).
18:21 psydruid; XRevan86, thanks for unravelling the mystery
18:21 XRevan86; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zemlin earth
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18:21 TR Bot; Zemlin - Wikipedia
18:21 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: no, not that
18:21 schestowitz-TR; I saw zemlina
18:22 schestowitz-TR; context was, finding if he was lying
18:22 schestowitz-TR; about his grandpa
18:22 schestowitz-TR; which seems possible
18:22 schestowitz-TR; he claimed he eas a cray co-founder
18:22 schestowitz-TR; which I think is BS
18:22 schestowitz-TR; Jim is full of BS
18:22 schestowitz-TR; also claimed he could speak japanese
18:22 matey; well he runs the linux foundation on a mac so
18:22 schestowitz-TR; maybe as he was some one-year exchnge student
18:22 XRevan86; schestowitz: Fun fact: Putin's wife's surname was Putina.
18:22 matey; no he said he was "turning japanese"
18:22 matey; or at least he thought so
18:23 psydruid; he's a supermac
18:23 XRevan86; schestowitz: Maybe that will give a hint on "Zemlina".
18:23 schestowitz-TR; *exchange
18:23 schestowitz-TR; torvalds accomplished a lot: Linux, Git
18:23 MinceR; Lenina Huxley
18:23 schestowitz-TR; Zemlin was a loser, whose career had failed and reached a dead end
18:23 XRevan86; psydruid: That also throws a wrench into that Ukrainian's stress is somehow more intuitive than Russian's :)
18:23 schestowitz-TR; he wanted to do cooking for a living
18:23 XRevan86; psydruid: Both are complicated. In my perspective, equally complicated.
18:24 XRevan86; s/perspective/estimation/
18:24 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/What-the-Tech-Industry-Has-Learned-from-Linus-Torvalds_-Jim-Zemlin-at-TEDxConcordia-U-Portland.mp4
18:24 schestowitz; watch this
18:24 matey; if id been of drinking age when zima was around, i would have skipped it just because the commercials make macs look less douchebaggy
18:25 schestowitz-TR; I've met people like james zemlin in my life
18:25 schestowitz-TR; they're imposters
18:25 schestowitz-TR; with fake credentials
18:25 schestowitz-TR; like spamnil and james zemlin
18:25 matey; you act like you knew zemlin in school and he was a dick to you personally
18:25 schestowitz-TR; incidentally, sheela and james proped up spamni
18:26 schestowitz-TR; [15:56] SPAMnil, who ruined LINUX.COM, seems to have broken a new record. 9 videos views in 8 days. I reckon those views are just SPAMnil and his "guest" checking that the video works. GulagTube says he has 22.2k subscribers. I LOL.
18:26 matey; i dont doubt that most of what you say about him is true
18:26 matey; it just seems personal
18:26 schestowitz-TR; it is
18:26 schestowitz-TR; look what they did
18:26 schestowitz-TR; to linux
18:26 schestowitz-TR; to lf
18:26 schestowitz-TR; to torvalds
18:26 schestowitz-TR; sending him to therapists
18:26 matey; torvalds was a dick too, honestly
18:26 schestowitz-TR; something stalin would do
18:26 matey; yeah the therapists thing was a really stalin like move i know
18:26 matey; i was going to say it before you did
18:26 matey; its true
18:27 matey; torvalds was a dick-- zemlin is a bigger dick
18:27 XRevan86; psydruid: Though there are also oi's in prepositions and such, their origin is still a mystery to me.
18:27 matey; someone will be an even bigger dick than zemlin
18:27 matey; open source eats their own
18:27 matey; theres always someone worse
18:27 schestowitz-TR; zemlin will be out the moment he starts behaving
18:27 schestowitz-TR; like, not being a shill
18:27 psydruid; XRevan86, can you give some examples?
18:28 schestowitz-TR; remember:
18:28 schestowitz-TR; we need to "respect Microsoft
18:28 matey; what are the odds of zemlin not being a shill? hes 100% shameless
18:28 XRevan86; psydruid: pod- pid-, etc.
18:28 matey; a puppet through and through
18:28 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft Director: Microsoft bribes officials all around
18:28 schestowitz-TR; Zemlin :we need to "respect Microsoft"
18:28 schestowitz-TR; fsck /home/zemlin
18:28 matey; holding microsoft accountable for crimes against humanity is like kicking a puppy!
18:29 psydruid; kick that puppy hard!
18:29 TR News; Games: SteamOS 3, Ubisoft Connect, and Crowns And Pawns: Kingdom of Deceit Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163153
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18:29 TR Bot; Games: SteamOS 3, Ubisoft Connect, and Crowns And Pawns: Kingdom of Deceit | Tux Machines
18:29 schestowitz-TR; matey: it's not a puppy
18:29 schestowitz-TR; It's the NewPuppy
18:29 matey; microsoft suspending the puppy linux website is like
18:29 matey; its like
18:29 schestowitz-TR; aka EasyOS
18:30 XRevan86; psydruid: If I ever find out that they used to be said with additional stress (like a separate word), that would be cool :)
18:30 matey; XRevan86 james doohan fans
18:30 schestowitz-TR; bashing Microsoft is like kicking puppy OFFLINE
18:30 matey; there you go
18:30 psydruid; XRevan86, we're going to find out the truth eventuall
18:30 psydruid; y
18:31 *guysoft42 (~guysoft@2a0d:6fc1:2:1f00:6781:8ed6:b01a:dcf0) has joined #techrights
18:31 schestowitz-TR; criticising putin is like kicking kittens
18:31 schestowitz-TR; criticising putin is like kicking pussy riot
18:31 *guysoft42 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
18:31 XRevan86; psydruid: I'm sure it's no secret, but it's not like I can just put "did prepositions in old east slavic have additional stress" into a search engine and find an answer.
18:31 schestowitz-TR; we need to respect putin
18:32 XRevan86; or "why did oi occur in prepositions in ukrainians if it generally happened with a stressed vowel"
18:32 XRevan86; * in ukrainian
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18:32 schestowitz-TR; open source loves putin
18:32 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Jim-Zemlin-Open-Source-Loves-Microsoft.webm
=> http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Jim-Zemlin-Open-Source-Loves-Microsoft.webm
18:33 schestowitz-TR; open source loves putin is code for "keep sending me money, putin"
18:33 psydruid; XRevan86, maybe there is a way to reach out to the Slavic department at some Russian (or global) university
18:33 schestowitz-TR; LF will collapse one day, like all things, but it can take a few years more
18:33 schestowitz-TR; their lack of IRS filings is a sign of something not happening right
18:33 schestowitz-TR; the CFO of LF left that year, too
18:34 schestowitz-TR; but the new CFO did release IRS filing to an offshoot of LF
18:34 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/jim-zemlin-cancels-himself/
=> http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/jim-zemlin-cancels-himself/
18:34 TR Bot; Jim Zemlin Has Deleted All of His Tweets | Techrights
18:34 XRevan86; psydruid: It's not like I have any use for this information to bother people :)
18:34 matey; turns out zima means winter
18:34 psydruid; yes
18:34 XRevan86; psydruid: The stress thing is likely to just be a subset of the broader phenomenon.
18:34 psydruid; zemestan in Persian
18:35 TR News; Free and open source level editor LDtk 1.0 is out now | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/free-and-open-source-level-designer-ldtk-10-is-out-now/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
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18:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/free-and-open-source-level-designer-ldtk-10-is-out-now/
18:35 TR Bot; and open source level editor LDtk 1.0 is out now | GamingOnLinux
18:35 matey; they spent 38 million dollars (in 1990s dollars) on the most dumbfuck adverts ever conceived
18:35 psydruid; himalaya -> abode in the cold
18:35 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: name original does not matter much
18:35 psydruid; winter abode
18:35 matey; adobe = left in the cold
18:35 schestowitz-TR; I just saw it in passing
18:35 schestowitz-TR; alleged russian roots
18:35 schestowitz-TR; but that's not what I was after
18:35 schestowitz-TR; I tried to get his grandpa's name
18:35 schestowitz-TR; and thought I had found it
18:36 schestowitz-TR; but nothing backs his claims about Cray
18:36 schestowitz-TR; so he partly made it up
18:36 SomeH4x0r; what is cPanel CA? I'm suspicious about it
18:36 schestowitz-TR; to make him look like he had CS pedigree
18:36 schestowitz-TR; he fakes it
18:36 schestowitz-TR; in an interview with spamnil
18:36 schestowitz-TR; SomeH4x0r: proprietary software
18:36 *psydruid knows an Indian chef with a CS degree in Dublin
18:37 schestowitz-TR; cpanel became buddies with canonical this year
18:37 SomeH4x0r; I don't care about licenses tbh, just wondering if they are MITM
18:37 schestowitz-TR; LF is half imposters
18:37 schestowitz-TR; they have some geeks, but not many
18:37 MinceR; afaik torvalds was a dick to people who deserved it
18:37 MinceR; zemlin isn't
18:37 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: mostly
18:37 schestowitz-TR; cannot put a number on it
18:38 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: it's 1) cultural and 2) arguably good
18:38 AdmFubar; help help the paranoids are after me https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/google-search-ai-mum-help
=> ↺ https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/google-search-ai-mum-help
18:38 TR Bot; search AI uses MUM to flag queries for help - Protocol
18:38 schestowitz-TR; HEY HI
18:38 schestowitz-TR; HELP, IMA GETTING OUTTA THIS GULAG
18:39 schestowitz-TR; they keep trying to market spying as
18:39 schestowitz-TR; 1) fitness
18:39 schestowitz-TR; 2) health
18:39 schestowitz-TR; 3)safety
18:39 MinceR; https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/03/23/scabrous
=> ↺ https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/03/23/scabrous
18:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: penny-arcade.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/03/23/scabrous
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18:39 TR Bot; Scabrous - Penny Arcade
18:39 schestowitz-TR; I took note of it years prior to COVID
18:39 schestowitz-TR; they try to glorify spying as a personal benefit
18:39 schestowitz-TR; "you arer missing out!!"
18:39 schestowitz-TR; "google doesn't have a microphone and gps coords on you!!"
18:39 schestowitz-TR; "how can they save you???"
18:39 psydruid; I always thought computers would and should be integrated into our personal lives
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18:40 schestowitz-TR; computer are OK
18:40 schestowitz-TR; wqith consent and understanding
18:40 psydruid; but not that those tech companies would use those against their buyers
18:40 schestowitz-TR; they enocourage implied and non-consent
18:40 schestowitz-TR; based on misconception
18:40 psydruid; why would you ever do that?
18:40 psydruid; I got a fitbit from my workplace once
18:40 schestowitz-TR; like the 'ankle bracelet' called apple watch
18:40 psydruid; I left it in my drawer and never used it
18:41 schestowitz-TR; it's not a gift
18:41 schestowitz-TR; well, not for you anyway
18:41 psydruid; it's a trojan horse
18:41 schestowitz-TR; employers love giving 'free' phones
18:41 schestowitz-TR; they become devices that let them pester you at home
18:41 schestowitz-TR; and you cannot complain
18:41 matey; turns out it wasnt even a wine cooler
18:41 schestowitz-TR; it's a 'gift' after all
18:41 schestowitz-TR; a torjan gift
18:41 XRevan86; psydruid: How is stress in Polish by the way? Is it as complicated as in its Eastern counterparts or is there some kind of intuitive system that people follow without thinking and always succeed?
18:41 matey; it was a clear beer that they wanted to AVOID looking like a wine cooler
18:41 matey; and people (like jim zemlin) still drink it-- in japab
18:41 matey; japan
18:42 matey; (while speaking japanese)
18:42 schestowitz-TR; he never spoke japanese, even in japan
18:42 schestowitz-TR; I checked
18:42 schestowitz-TR; if he spoke nippon, he's say something in the japan event
18:42 schestowitz-TR; but nothing
18:42 schestowitz-TR; even suckerfuck faked knowing mandarin
18:42 schestowitz-TR; by memorising a bunch of nonsense
18:43 schestowitz-TR; so that he and fieve eyes (japan not in there yet) can spy on china, too
18:43 schestowitz-TR; it didn't work
18:43 schestowitz-TR; china doesn't want his trojan horse
18:43 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IWWwM2wwMww
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IWWwM2wwMww
18:43 TR Bot; The Vapors - Turning Japanese - Invidious
18:44 schestowitz-TR; zemlin knows japanese like rms knows indonesian
18:44 schestowitz-TR; and like i know some languages
18:44 schestowitz-TR; that i don't really know
18:44 psydruid; XRevan86, I haven't progressed with my Polish from years ago, but I don't think it's as complicated as in the Eastern counterparts. From what I know stress is usually on the penultimate syllable, if there are 2 or more syllables
18:44 schestowitz-TR; or forgot
18:44 matey; that guy looks like jimmy fallon as a standin for mike myers as dieter from sprockets
18:46 matey; zemlin knows japanese like rms knows indonesian <- or portuguese :(
18:47 TR News; How proprietary socialcontrolmedia shaping the future of Pepper&Carrot - David Revoy https://www.davidrevoy.com/article904/how-proprietary-social-medias-are-shaping-the-future-of-peppercarrot Source: davidrevoy
18:47 TR Bot; How proprietary social-medias are shaping the future of Pepper&Carrot - David Revoy
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18:48 schestowitz-TR; matey: keep the bottle away from james
18:48 psydruid; he speaks Spanish, though
18:48 psydruid; and Russian?
18:48 matey; yes, he speaks spanish
18:48 schestowitz-TR; i imagine rms has at least one parent from eastern europe
18:49 matey; ancestor at least
18:49 schestowitz-TR; yes, one who spoke that at home
18:49 schestowitz-TR; like lithuanian or something
18:49 schestowitz-TR; lippman
18:49 matey; he likes bulgarian folk dancing, its his favourite
18:50 schestowitz-TR; bulgarian, eh?
18:50 schestowitz-TR; my material grandparents both born there
18:51 schestowitz-TR; *maternal
18:52 TR News; Proprietary Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163154
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18:52 TR Bot; Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines
18:54 TR News; You cannot learn Qt. You can learn the APIs, but Qt is again proprietary software, so you cannot learn how it works. https://www.qt.io/blog/how-to-learn-qt
=> ↺ https://www.qt.io/blog/how-to-learn-qt
18:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: qt.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.qt.io/blog/how-to-learn-qt
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18:54 TR Bot; How to learn Qt?
18:54 matey; the free software song is based on "sadi moma" a classic bulgarian folk tune
18:54 schestowitz-TR; i thought he likes listening to music from indonesia
18:54 schestowitz-TR; when he was young
18:55 matey; /me giggles at encyclopedia dramaatica
18:55 matey; they said gnu stands for "gnus not usable"
18:55 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163155
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18:55 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
18:55 schestowitz-TR; ha
18:56 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C6r6fG4k40
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18:56 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7C6r6fG4k40
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7C6r6fG4k40
18:56 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Soulja Boy crank dat, MIT style - Invidious
18:57 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C6r6fG4k40
=> ↺ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C6r6fG4k40
18:57 matey;
18:57 XRevan86; Dimitry Potapenko, an economist, says that the reason Putin's put this ultimatum is to attempt to nullify the contracts and force gas buyers to make a new one.
18:58 TR News; "Smart" things https://www.maketecheasier.com/verizon-spam-texts-from-their-own-numbers/
=> ↺ https://www.maketecheasier.com/verizon-spam-texts-from-their-own-numbers/
18:58 TR Bot; Verizon Customers Getting Spam Texts from Their Own Numbers - Make Tech Easier
18:58 XRevan86; The reason being is that the gas on the market is a lot more expensive than what Europe pays.
18:58 matey; jeni.com says stallman has a father named daniel j and a brother named adam s stallman
18:58 matey; ive never heard of adam stallman
18:58 XRevan86; Actually ^ activelow, this is important.
18:58 schestowitz-TR; matey: the pizza is on the way
18:58 TR News; Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 3.5 beta 3 https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-3-5-beta-3 Source: godotengine
=> ↺ https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-3-5-beta-3
18:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: godotengine.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-3-5-beta-3
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18:58 TR Bot; Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 3.5 beta 3
18:59 matey; oh dear
18:59 matey; it says maurice lippman is his stepfather
18:59 schestowitz-TR; ah, ok
18:59 matey; this is a geneology website
18:59 schestowitz-TR; I know he was raised by his mom
18:59 schestowitz-TR; that book about him
18:59 schestowitz-TR; to which she supplied a photo of him as a pupil
19:00 schestowitz-TR; adam s stallman
19:00 schestowitz-TR; another hacker
19:00 matey; Adam Stallman - Senior Software Engineer - International Business Machines
19:00 matey; you dont suppose...
19:00 schestowitz-TR; but bad initials
19:00 matey; yes not the best
19:00 schestowitz-TR; Kicks adam s stallman
19:01 XRevan86; matey: What do ye think about that idea?
19:01 schestowitz-TR; maybe Adam LOVES systemd
19:01 schestowitz-TR; "100% of the time"
19:01 *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights
19:01 XRevan86; Maybe activelow had a point when he said that Russia is selling gas crazy cheap. Maybe that's the problem.
19:01 schestowitz-TR; but check the age
19:01 matey; matey: What do ye think about that idea <- should i scroll up?
19:01 schestowitz-TR; he'd have to be like retirement age
19:01 XRevan86; And Putin tried to cause a force major, and cause the long-term contract to fall apart.
19:02 matey; i mean i thought the video psydroid showed was plausible enough
19:02 schestowitz-TR; IBM: RMS needs to step down. We need more diversity
19:02 schestowitz-TR; IBM: here, now let ASS take charge
19:03 XRevan86; matey: Regarding Putin's statement on that gas should be sold for rubles.
19:03 activelow; XRevan86: i think the demand Russia accounts foreign trade with Rubles at their central bank is an absolutely legitimate demand
19:03 schestowitz-TR; IBM <3 ASS ASS
19:03 schestowitz-TR; (SS
19:03 matey; i dont believe adam stallman is with us anymore Adam S. Stallman: Birthdate: estimated between 1929 and 1985 : Death: Immediate Family: Son of Daniel J. Stallman and Private Brother of Richard Matthew Stallman
19:03 XRevan86; activelow: It already fell apart.
19:04 XRevan86; activelow: But it's likely that the attempt was to make gas more expensive for Europe.
19:04 XRevan86; Ten times.
19:04 activelow; too this is important to fight corruption; since currently Russia/Putin are accused of expensive oil/gas/energy supplies (an EU propaganda lie), when instead Russia is selling rather cheap, and it is Euro and USD cheating with excess taxation and reseller-margins
19:04 schestowitz-TR; so it sounds like it's really the sibling
19:05 schestowitz-TR; if he passed away, we need to change subject
19:05 XRevan86; Haven't heard anyone say that Russia's gas is expensive.
19:05 schestowitz-TR; in respect
19:05 SomeH4x0r; dead don't see chats
19:05 SomeH4x0r; *the dead
19:05 activelow; btw. this was the spiritual root of Putin and Medvedev, to fight corruption (within Russia), now this fight is fought elsewhere too
19:05 schestowitz-TR; but it hurts relatives
19:05 schestowitz-TR; and as far as e know he did nothing wrong
19:05 SomeH4x0r; don't invite relatives here
19:06 schestowitz-TR; and IBM said Hitler did nothing wrong
19:06 XRevan86; activelow: "this was the spiritual root of Putin and Medvedev, to fight corruption (within Russia)" <- They ARE the corruption.
19:06 XRevan86; activelow: Ye fell for a populist stunt. An outdated one at that!
19:06 activelow; XRevan86: maybe
19:06 matey; this is all wrong
19:06 matey; "Alice married Maurice Lippman in 1948, at age 12."
19:06 matey; what? no
19:06 XRevan86; They no longer play in anti-corruption, not a thing.
19:06 activelow; nonetheless it isn't surprising, those corrupt criminals in German government and EU don't appreciate this, their corruption and criminal activity is addressed now
19:07 matey; thats got to be a typo
19:07 schestowitz-TR; maybe engaged?
19:07 matey; https://www.myheritage.com/names/alice_lippman
=> ↺ https://www.myheritage.com/names/alice_lippman
19:07 TR Bot; NO TITLE
19:07 schestowitz-TR; like ina religious context?
19:07 matey; i have no idea, im sure its not accurate
19:07 matey; it also said that she died in 2017 at age 81
19:08 matey; that means she would be 86 if still around
19:08 schestowitz-TR; ah, that would be strange...
19:08 schestowitz-TR; unless she had rms when she was very young
19:08 matey; and a teenage mother to rms
19:08 matey; well its not physically impossible
19:08 matey; married at age 12 was not legal even in 1948
19:08 matey; thats got to be a typo
19:09 matey; i posted the url (it was the first hit in a search) so you see where i got it from
19:09 activelow; recently they boasted again about their solar panels and wind mill (subsidy fraud), which require billions of tons of steel, coal and energy to produce, supplied from... a voila... Russia/Ukraine
19:10 schestowitz-TR; sher married TWO people aged 12?
19:10 activelow; that's why solar industry in germany was whining recently, about lack of supply of raw materials to produce those panels
19:10 activelow; and i bet, if sanctions hit, the dozen of tons of steel required for a wind turbine cannot be produced anymore either, without russian gas/coal/oil/energy
19:10 schestowitz-TR; matey: could be data mix-up
19:10 matey; sher married TWO people aged 12? <- maybe some trolls have submitted false geneological data
19:10 schestowitz-TR; "
19:10 schestowitz-TR; Alice Lippman (born Unknown Stallman), 1936 - 2017
19:10 schestowitz-TR; Alice Lippman was born in 1936.
19:11 schestowitz-TR; Alice married Daniel J Stallman in 1948, at age 12.
19:11 schestowitz-TR; Alice then married Maurice Lippman in 1948, at age 12.
19:11 schestowitz-TR; Alice passed away in 2017, at age 81.
19:11 schestowitz-TR; "
19:11 schestowitz-TR; that would help discredit, yes
19:11 matey; maybe (not a joke) the people who hacked his website in 2019 also submitted false geneological data
19:11 matey; that would be a low blow
19:11 schestowitz-TR; don't preclude as possibility
19:11 matey; i just found this a few minutes ago by the way
19:12 schestowitz-TR; try to cross-correlate
19:12 matey; including that he had a brother
19:12 schestowitz-TR; with another source
19:12 matey; well yes, but you cant cross correlate until you find the first source
19:12 matey; and i JUST found this minutes ago
19:12 schestowitz-TR; https://www.myheritage.com/names/alice_lippman#
=> ↺ https://www.myheritage.com/names/alice_lippman#
19:12 TR Bot; NO TITLE
19:12 matey; i was instantly sceptical of it
19:13 matey; it reeks of error
19:13 matey; i would sooner believe she was 22 and someone has fat fingers
19:14 matey; im not throwing out the malicious data sent in theory (its more remote but im keeping it for now)
19:14 schestowitz-TR; it's hard to raised a genius kid or kids at this age
19:14 schestowitz-TR; and in these times
19:14 matey; its never easy to raise a gifted kid or to grow up as one
19:14 matey; schools are not made for them
19:15 matey; i mean most schools are not
19:15 matey; they dont know what to do with them
19:15 matey; "give them more work i guess"
19:15 matey; "hes been able to do this since he was 6" "okay, well he can do twice as much of it"
19:15 matey; "youre not teaching him anything though"
19:15 matey; "well, he has to do something"
19:16 matey; this is literally how it works
19:17 matey; they dont like to skip people because socially its bad
19:17 TR News; systemd-sysupdate?????????????? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-251-rc1
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19:17 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-251-rc1
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19:17 TR Bot; 251-rc1 Released With Experimental systemd-sysupdate Tool - Phoronix
19:17 schestowitz; "- A new component "systemd-sysupdate" has been added that automatically discovers / downloads / installs A/B style updates for the host installation itself or container images / portable service images. Systemd-sysupdate is currently considered experimental. This OS updating tool has been worked on by Red Hat / systemd developers going back to last summer. "
19:17 matey; plus if youre ahead in some things-- not necessarily everything
19:17 schestowitz; systemd is just an init system
19:17 schestowitz; don't panic
19:17 matey; Systemd-sysupdate is currently considered experimental <- the whole bloody thing is experimental
19:17 schestowitz; me remembers when system updates updated init systemd
19:18 schestowitz; not the other way around
19:18 matey; gnu/linux is an init system and rust is one of its kernels
19:18 matey; anyway, mincer tried to tell you so
19:18 matey; /me didnt even know until years later
19:19 matey; its not an init system, its a (anti)social experiment
19:19 schestowitz-TR; anti-system-systemd
19:19 schestowitz-TR; ASS
19:21 matey; advanced rust systemd enhancements
19:22 matey; the reason theyre redoing everything in a single c project
19:22 matey; is so they can translate it to rust once its "stable"
19:22 matey; linux and systemd will be redone in rust at the same time
19:22 matey; after they merge into the same codebase
19:22 matey; first comes linuxd, then linuxd will be rewritten in rust
19:23 matey; then rust will be reimplemented in r#
19:23 matey; then the internet (the infrastructure itself) will suicide in an attempt to save mankind
19:23 matey; or something like that
19:23 matey; throw in some "steel birds" for the hell of it
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19:24 schestowitz-TR; the warning is in the name
19:24 schestowitz-TR; it will rust
19:24 schestowitz-TR; terrible name for a project if you ask me
19:24 schestowitz-TR; it's like calling your framework "rot"
19:24 schestowitz-TR; or "decay"
19:24 schestowitz-TR; interview question: can you decay?
19:25 activelow; following the mailing list thread further: http://lists.landley.net/pipermail/aboriginal-landley.net/2016-May/002567.html
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19:25 TR Bot; [Aboriginal] Possibly winding down the project.
19:26 activelow; aboriginal linux developer too noticed issues with cmake written in c++, python creeping into as build dependency, yet hasn't arrived at the glory of C11
19:27 activelow; as far as a toolchain was a concern for free software, TinyCC seems the last red line of defense
19:28 activelow; in parallel Landley was involved with j-core too, and the gcc toolchain for it broken 5 years ago; tcc doesn't support j-core at all
19:29 schestowitz-TR; "yes, I can as a matter of fact I've decayed for 15 years already"
19:29 activelow; from a technical standpoint that's noteworthy, projects most concerned with freedom (hardware, software, toolchain), express some hostility towards FSF
19:29 activelow; and the toolchain and bootstrapping issue is a one which affects all supposedly free software
19:30 schestowitz-TR; [14:41] "This article covers the highlights of the C++ standardization proposals before the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) committee's Core and Evolution Working Groups last year. Read on to find out what's coming in C++23." https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/29/c-standardization-core-language-progress-2021
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19:30 TR Bot; C++ standardization (core language) progress in 2021 | Red Hat Developer
19:30 schestowitz-TR; also new:
19:30 schestowitz-TR; [20:23] "Believe it or not, not everything is based on C. There are current, shipping, commercial OSes written before C was invented, and now others in both newer and older languages that don't involve C at any level or layer." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/non_c_operating_systems/
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19:30 TR Bot; The weird world of non-C operating systems The Register
19:31 schestowitz-TR; activelow: so C is freedom
19:31 schestowitz-TR; and other stuff is not?
19:31 activelow; it is a cornerstone of proof, to see which build-time dependencies are required for the toolchain
19:31 schestowitz-TR; is freedom about low vs high level?
19:31 schestowitz-TR; I could do ASM and did a lot of C
19:32 schestowitz-TR; C is just works or tokens
19:32 schestowitz-TR; ASM is binary/bits
19:32 schestowitz-TR; the machines are gates
19:32 schestowitz-TR; proof of concept at what level?
19:32 schestowitz-TR; can you trust the asm?
19:32 schestowitz-TR; without designing the circuits?
19:33 activelow; no, and no, and... no.
19:33 schestowitz-TR; then, if you used cad to design the circuit
19:33 schestowitz-TR; you then have other things to worry about
19:33 schestowitz-TR; both the cad and the fabs
19:33 activelow; that's why aboriginal linux and j-core invested into a free hardware option for linux, which was their turtle board
19:33 schestowitz-TR; i see...
19:34 schestowitz-TR; how many transistors in it?
19:34 activelow; and then, the toolchain was bricked
19:34 schestowitz-TR; for proof of concept it should be just thouands
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19:35 schestowitz-TR; you can compensate with high clocking speed
19:35 schestowitz-TR; today's science can clock it fast
19:35 DaemonFC; Be careful what you standardize. It will probably be in use a long time after it makes sense.
19:35 schestowitz-TR; without you worrying about what you send the data into
19:35 schestowitz-TR; risc-v keeps is simple and still it can run proper programs
19:35 schestowitz-TR; and smaller teams can adopt it
19:35 schestowitz-TR; in bulk
19:35 activelow; risc-v isn't supported by any legacy toolchain or kernel version i am aware of
19:36 schestowitz-TR; right
19:36 DaemonFC; Vendor crap is going to kill risc-v.
19:36 DaemonFC; It's already made dealing with arm nearly impossible.
19:36 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: it is just the reference
19:36 schestowitz-TR; intel sank money into ikt
19:36 activelow; if you jump onto the risc-v wagon, then you're locked into recent kernel versions and toolchains, which have issues; and imo, aren't acceptable.
19:36 schestowitz-TR; maybe to SINK it
19:37 DaemonFC; One of those government programs is offering poor people cheap computers.
19:37 DaemonFC; Someone I know bought one and it came with Windows 11 on a low end Pentium with 4 GB of RAM and 64 GB eMMC.
19:37 schestowitz-TR; in most places they call them "smartphones", DaemonFC
19:37 DaemonFC; I removed it and put GalliumOS on it instead.
19:37 schestowitz-TR; government love those
19:37 schestowitz-TR; "Stalin's dream"
19:38 schestowitz-TR; your gov. become the creepy b/f
19:38 DaemonFC; I was surprised Windows 11 was so easy to kill.
19:38 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: microsoft was too
19:38 schestowitz-TR; one bad system update
19:38 schestowitz-TR; and ZAP!
19:39 schestowitz-TR; "wow, josh!"
19:39 schestowitz-TR; microsoft statemennt would mince words
19:39 schestowitz-TR; unlike MinceR
19:39 schestowitz-TR; "our quality assurance team... something... kindly ask users to wait..."
19:40 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: btw, speaking of creepy b/f
19:40 MinceR; https://nitter.eu/pic/media%2FEVLRDoRUEAEBFmr.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig
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19:40 schestowitz-TR; tell mandy the apple watch is called after its function
19:40 schestowitz-TR; it watches him
19:40 DaemonFC; Including heart functions.
19:40 schestowitz-TR; not parental watching
19:40 schestowitz-TR; more like creepy uncle
19:40 DaemonFC; It panics people and sends them to the ER and the watch is often wrong.
19:41 schestowitz-TR; just to make sure he's not a pedo
19:41 DaemonFC; So they just get a YUUUUUGE hospital bill for no reason.
19:41 schestowitz-TR; they need a REAL doctor
19:41 DaemonFC; The number one cause of heart attacks and stroke in the United States is blood pressure.
19:41 schestowitz-TR; not steve "I'll take nuts to cure cancer" jobs
19:41 DaemonFC; Save your crApple Watch money and go to the damned doctor.
19:41 DaemonFC; And get your blood pressure under control.
19:42 schestowitz-TR; yeah
19:42 DaemonFC; And you probably won't blow out your heart.
19:42 schestowitz-TR; and wallet
19:42 schestowitz-TR; watches cannot accurately measure it
19:42 schestowitz-TR; it's borderline pseudoscience
19:42 schestowitz-TR; also, mandy is too young for that
19:42 DaemonFC; Stroke damage is often cumulative, as is heart damage.
19:43 DaemonFC; I mean, you have a heart attack and your heart cells are dying the entire time.
19:43 DaemonFC; You don't just get over that.
19:43 DaemonFC; I wish more doctors would treat hypertension aggressively.
19:43 schestowitz-TR; shades of covid19
19:43 schestowitz-TR; stay the F*(!) away fromcovid
19:43 schestowitz-TR; my colleagues get sick over and over again
19:43 schestowitz-TR; it's not getting better
19:43 schestowitz-TR; it batters them
19:44 DaemonFC; Yeah, it's a battering ram.
19:44 schestowitz-TR; we have 19 home testing kits
19:44 DaemonFC; It's not just one and done.
19:44 schestowitz-TR; back to apple watch
19:44 schestowitz-TR; maybe if I saw one I'd write about it
19:44 schestowitz-TR; OI try never to write about stuff that I do not understand fully
19:44 schestowitz-TR; from what I saw, these accessories are fashion and class statements
19:44 schestowitz-TR; "|doctor apple"
19:45 schestowitz-TR; "an apple watch a day"
19:45 schestowitz-TR; "I have a very expensive doctor"
19:45 DaemonFC; Oh, people I know of have had COVID 4 times becauset they take no precaution.
19:45 DaemonFC; And you know, avoiding it totally may not be possible, but getting it once is better than four times!
19:46 DaemonFC; Mom is still on the denial bandwagon where "Most of the time it isn't serious.".
19:46 TR News; LoongArch in GCC https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=LoongArch
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19:46 TR Bot; Git - gcc.git/search
19:46 DaemonFC; It's like your car. Most cars don't lose their suspension the first time they hit a bad pothole.
19:46 TR News; Mesa 22.0.1 Release Notes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163156
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19:46 TR Bot; Mesa 22.0.1 Release Notes | Tux Machines
19:46 DaemonFC; Keep doing it and you'll ruin your car.
19:47 schestowitz-TR; today's cars ruin themselves fast
19:47 DaemonFC; The strategy now is as long as there are hospital beds for COVID patients, they don't really care.
19:47 schestowitz-TR; and are getting more expensive to repair
19:47 DaemonFC; today's cars ruin themselves fast
19:47 schestowitz-TR; previously I gave the example of electirc winmdows
19:47 DaemonFC; Yes, mom and Mandy don't get why I have my eye on a Honda Accord base model.
19:47 schestowitz-TR; you cannot fix these with a screwdriver
19:47 schestowitz-TR; I remember as a kid
19:47 schestowitz-TR; and then it become impossible to get mechanical windows
19:47 schestowitz-TR; *became
19:48 DaemonFC; I said, "I need something reliable that's possible to repair without much specialized knowledge, tools, and software, that only a dealer will have."
19:48 DaemonFC; "You get more stuff you can't easily maintain the more expensive the car is.".
19:48 schestowitz-TR; it's also designed like bikes
19:48 schestowitz-TR; anyone can maintain bikes
19:48 schestowitz-TR; they are made of pertinent simple components
19:48 schestowitz-TR; to make it easy to fix with uniform set of tools
19:49 schestowitz-TR; last month I went to a bike shop and it's all electric
19:49 schestowitz-TR; they don't even reveal the wiring and brakes
19:49 schestowitz-TR; so I reckon a lot of their income is repairs
19:49 schestowitz-TR; it's very proprietary
19:49 schestowitz-TR; I had a flat tire, they hardly charged me anything for the inner tube
19:50 schestowitz-TR; cars are the same now
19:50 schestowitz-TR; you can a car that looks the same
19:50 schestowitz-TR; but then under the skin it's all chips
19:50 schestowitz-TR; you cannot repair chips
19:50 schestowitz-TR; and after 10 years good luck getting compatible replacements
19:50 schestowitz-TR; you can still drive cars from the 80s
19:50 schestowitz-TR; today's 2022 models won't run in 2050+
19:51 schestowitz-TR; (if humans get that far)
19:51 schestowitz-TR; "what the fork is this car?"
19:51 schestowitz-TR; "it's a tesla"
19:51 schestowitz-TR; "the scientist?"
19:52 schestowitz-TR; "no, it's some company that lasted some years, pretended to be competitive"
19:52 schestowitz-TR; " it was run by a psychopathic charlatan who killed himself with OD"
19:53 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: my mom's microwave is still going
19:53 schestowitz-TR; 30+ years
19:53 schestowitz-TR; my stereo is from 1994
19:53 schestowitz-TR; PDA 2002
19:53 *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
19:53 schestowitz-TR; Kettle 2021
19:53 schestowitz-TR; RIP
19:53 schestowitz-TR; it was a GOOD brand too
19:53 schestowitz-TR; not the cheapest
19:55 TR News; Interesting. Will Intel ever move away from Microsoft GitHub and BACK to GitLab? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=SVT-AV1-1.0-rc1
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19:55 TR Bot; Preparing For SVT-AV1 1.0 Video Encoder With More AVX2 Optimizations - Phoronix
19:55 TR News; [GIT PULL for v5.18-rc1] media updates - Mauro Carvalho Chehab https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220322101406.459e2950@coco.lan/ Source: linux | kernel
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19:55 TR Bot; [GIT PULL for v5.18-rc1] media updates - Mauro Carvalho Chehab
19:56 TR News; Microbell is posting marketing catalogues for Intel again https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-arc-a3&num=1 Mobile with wattage like THAT?
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19:56 TR Bot; Introduces The Arc A-Series Mobile Graphics - Phoronix
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19:57 TR News; [PATCH v2 0/4] Export PSP security attributes - Mario Limonciello https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220329164117.1449-1-mario.limonciello@amd.com/ amd should just remove this malware from ALL chips. It's NOT a security feature. it is the very opposite
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19:57 TR Bot; [PATCH v2 0/4] Export PSP security attributes - Mario Limonciello
19:59 TR News; Proprietary software is based on lies https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/ftc_tax_intuit/
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19:59 TR Bot; FTC sues Intuit, claims 'free' TurboTax can be deceptive The Register
20:01 TR News; The Register should have clarified this is Microsoft Windows https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/verblecon_malware_cryptomining/
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20:01 TR Bot; Verblecon malware used in illicit cryptomining The Register
20:06 TR News; " After 72 straight hours of researching this spork, taking only a small series of 15-minute naps amid my research, Im back with my report: Here are all the weird combination utensils I could find." https://tedium.co/2022/03/30/weird-utensil-history/
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20:06 TR Bot; 11 Weird Utensils You Probably Arent Using
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20:08 TR News; Debian selling Web site space (even for Microsoft... for several years in a row) https://bits.debian.org/2022/03/debconf22-lenovo-platinum.html
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20:08 TR Bot; Lenovo Platinum Sponsor of DebConf22 - Bits from Debian
20:09 TR News; He shilled CLearLinux -- a distro nobody used and we hardly hear about anymore -- so why not marketing cruft for another Intel "PRODUCT"? https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2022/03/30/intel-arc-invades-the-dedicated-gpu-market-with-truly-exciting-features/
20:09 TR Bot; Intel ARC Crashes The Dedicated GPU Party With Truly Exciting Features
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20:15 TR News; Links 30/03/2022: GNUnet 0.16.3, GParted Live 1.4.0-1, and Mesa 22.0.1 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/mesa-22-0-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/30/mesa-22-0-1/
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20:15 TR Bot; Links 30/03/2022: GNUnet 0.16.3, GParted Live 1.4.0-1, and Mesa 22.0.1 | Techrights
20:16 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163157
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20:16 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
20:22 TR News; Tech skill planning for the greedy and lazy - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ofdo0fONe8A Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
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20:22 TR Bot; Tech skill planning for the greedy and lazy - Invidious
20:23 TR News; "A Quick overview of KDE neon 20220210." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tc31p7DzS7I excellent distro of GNU/Linux
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20:23 TR Bot; KDE neon 20220210 Quick overview #Shorts - Invidious
20:24 TR News; "We just watched Revolution OS before the show, so we reflect on the audacity of their vision and the new revolution we see brewing." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148057/revolution-in-review-coder-radio-459/
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20:24 TR Bot; Revolution in Review | Coder Radio 459 | Jupiter Broadcasting
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20:25 TR News; "Taiwan-based research firm TrendForce" = marketing disguised as 'science'? https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/aws_arm_servers_datacenters/
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20:25 TR Bot; AWS to fuel Arm to '22% server penetration rate' by 2025 The Register
20:26 TR News; Grifting at taxpayers' expense (as if US taxpayers can pay back) https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/tsmc_samsung_chip_subsidies/
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20:26 TR Bot; TSMC, Samsung want share of $52b US chip subsidies The Register
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20:26 TR News; "SciTE is an easy-to-use text editor that has many features for programming. Its footprint size and functionality make it perfect for installing on any system, even if you dont have experience with Scintilla or GTK." https://lateweb.info/easy-way-to-install-scite-on-ubuntu-21-04-lts/?pk_campaign=feed&pk_kwd=easy-way-to-install-scite-on-ubuntu-21-04-lts
20:26 TR Bot; Easy Way To Install SciTE on Ubuntu 21.04 LTS
20:28 TR News; Spinning price hikes as "rebrand" https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/rosehosting-rebrand-new-website-pricing-structure/
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20:28 TR Bot; New Website, New Pricing Structure & Re-Brand
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20:30 MinceR; (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22033059
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20:30 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.ipg.pw/sandcats/safariyokohama-20210415-0039.jpg created on 2022-03-30 16:24:26.861346
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20:31 DaemonFC; I get more Omaha Steaks ads. "If you think it looks good, wait until you taste it.".
20:32 schestowitz-TR; the cows?
20:32 TR News; March 30, 2022: Fending off attacks on connectivity in Ukraine, and keeping anti-war voices in Russia and Belarus online https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/
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20:32 TR Bot; Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now
20:33 DaemonFC; Car Salesman (Vacation): If you think you hate it now, wait until you drive it!
20:33 TR News; [Only NSApple is allowed to do it] Apple Watch in Tire Allegedly Used to Track Ex-Girlfriend https://gizmodo.com/an-angry-stalker-used-an-apple-watch-wrapped-around-his-1848714771 Source: gizmodo
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20:33 TR Bot; Apple Watch in Tire Allegedly Used to Track Ex-Girlfriend
20:34 TR News; No, Bruce Schneier, these are not "malicious uses"; these are the uses https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/stalking-with-an-apple-watch.html
=> ↺ https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/stalking-with-an-apple-watch.html
20:34 TR Bot; with an Apple Watch - Schneier on Security
20:35 TR News; Looming curbs on Tunisian civil society must be stopped - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/tunisia-civil-society/ Source: accessnow
=> ↺ https://www.accessnow.org/tunisia-civil-society/
20:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/tunisia-civil-society/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/tunisia-civil-society/
20:35 TR Bot; Looming curbs on Tunisian civil society must be stopped - Access Now
20:36 TR News; proprietary software Chrome has "vulnerabilities that an attacker could exploit to take control of an affected system" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/30/google-releases-security-updates-chrome
20:36 TR Bot; Google Releases Security Updates for Chrome | CISA
20:39 TR News; "They don't list authoritarianism as a protected attribute but it is clearly the primary one intended in the "not limited to" qualification." https://lwn.net/Articles/889692/
=> ↺ https://lwn.net/Articles/889692/
20:39 TR Bot; adopts a new code of conduct [LWN.net]
20:41 TR News; "And yet the CoC's list of protected attributes includes a number of items one does have control over: education, immigration status, level of experience, personal appearance, religion, veteran status (unless conscripted), etc. Personally I do not see enough of a difference between "political affiliation" and "religion" to justify protecting one and not the other." https://lwn.net/Articles/889692/
=> ↺ https://lwn.net/Articles/889692/
20:42 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-area-mother-among-20-killed-after-massacre-at-cock-fight-in-mexico-16-year-old-sister-wounded/
20:42 TR Bot; Chicago area mother among 20 killed after massacre at cock fight in Mexico; 16-year-old sister critical | WGN-TV
20:42 DaemonFC; So they were there to watch and promote the vicious abuse of animals, and we're going to be sorry they died?
20:43 DaemonFC; Only in Chicago.
20:43 DaemonFC; How is gathering to watch chickens tear each other apart even entertaining? Sounds like we lost 20 psychopaths to me.
20:43 TR News; Ubuntu on the spyHome(TM) https://ubuntu.com//blog/future-iot-home-automation
=> ↺ https://ubuntu.com//blog/future-iot-home-automation
20:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/future-iot-home-automation
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/future-iot-home-automation
20:43 TR Bot; Evolution of the Smart Home: Future Predictions [Part 3] | Ubuntu
20:45 schestowitz-TR; is bull 'fighting' still legal in mexico?
20:45 DaemonFC; Who knows? It's Mexico. I try not to pay attention.
20:45 MinceR; who's going to tell the bull he's not allowed to do it?
20:45 DaemonFC; It's bad enough that they've turned this city into a colony of Mexico and our government allows it.
20:46 DaemonFC; They have the schools teaching in Spanish.....American schools teaching in Spanish. To people who should be deported.
20:46 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: let it be
20:46 DaemonFC; To people who the law says should be deported.
20:46 schestowitz-TR; but the matador gets no weapons
20:47 schestowitz-TR; then I'd watch
20:47 DaemonFC; They're doing their best to make sure that as an American, you can no longer function in your own country without speaking a foreign language that some invaders brought with them.
20:47 DaemonFC; I refuse to even try to speak it.
20:47 MinceR; which foreign language, english?
20:47 DaemonFC; Spanish
20:48 MinceR; curious
20:48 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: typical american stereotype
20:48 schestowitz-TR; usians being rude and arrogant
20:48 schestowitz-TR; and then surprised europeans dislike "yanks"
20:48 DaemonFC; If people refuse to speak it to them or cooperate, then it will be more difficult for them to maintain their position.
20:48 DaemonFC; This is like, you know, the French refusing to speak German under the Nazi occupation.
20:49 DaemonFC; "We may die but we'll still be speaking French."
20:49 MinceR; how well can you function in Shikaakwa if you only speak the Miami-Illinois language?
20:50 DaemonFC; The cucks and crooks who run Illinois won't make English the official language of the state, like most of the states have.
20:50 TR News; #HowTo Turn Your Old Laptop Into a Plex Media Server Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163158
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163158
20:50 TR Bot; How to Turn Your Old Laptop Into a Plex Media Server | Tux Machines
20:51 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: your only country to visit other than your own is mexico
20:51 schestowitz-TR; maybe it's better for the US
20:51 schestowitz-TR; as that otherwise stigmatises USians
20:52 TR News; New malware. From Gulag. https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/chrome-browser-version-100-is-out-now-on-windows-mac-linux-android-and-ios-article-90544070
20:52 TR Bot; Chrome Browser version 100 is out now on Windows, Mac, Linux, Android and iOS
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20:53 TR News; "linuxsecurity" likes linking to anti-Linux FUD from Microsoft-connected sites (bad optics) https://linuxsecurity.com/news/hackscracks/hive-ransomware-ports-its-linux-vmware-esxi-encryptor-to-rust
20:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxsecurity.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxsecurity.com/news/hackscracks/hive-ransomware-ports-its-linux-vmware-esxi-encryptor-to-rust
20:53 TR Bot; Hive ransomware ports its Linux VMware ESXi encryptor to Rust | Lin...
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20:53 DaemonFC; I don't plan to visit Mexico. They kidnap Americans and figure out what people will pay to get them back.
20:53 DaemonFC; And if nobody pays, that's not good for you either.
20:54 DaemonFC; They don't even protect their own citizens.
20:54 TR News; "I worked on AMO for almost 4 years and created various libraries like pino-mozlog, pino-devtools or an ESLint plugin to name a few. These libraries have been created either to improve our developer experience or to fulfill some production requirements." https://williamdurand.fr/2022/03/29/some-non-production-tools-i-wrote/
=> ↺ https://williamdurand.fr/2022/03/29/some-non-production-tools-i-wrote/
20:54 TR Bot; Some non-production tools I wrote | William Durand
20:54 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: ok, so you never left your country
20:55 DaemonFC; They give them pamphlets on how to get here and sign up for welfare and to say they're applying for refugee status.
20:55 DaemonFC; Basically instructions for everything you want to know about how to abuse American laws.
20:55 schestowitz-TR; anyway, taking shots at people who are multilingual isn't wise
20:55 schestowitz-TR; and it's not a virtue, either
20:55 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: might shock you
20:55 DaemonFC; My ex knows several language, including Russian and French.
20:56 schestowitz-TR; but not many people want to be in the US
20:56 DaemonFC; He won't learn Spanish. Same reason as me.
20:56 schestowitz-TR; not even Americans
20:56 DaemonFC; I'm not saying keep them out on account of race.
20:56 schestowitz-TR; you're overstating the attractiveness of the US
20:56 DaemonFC; I'm saying if all they plan to do is drain the system and refuse to speak the language, throw them back.
20:57 DaemonFC; Plenty of good ones. Why do we have to take in the ones that are abusing our system?
20:57 schestowitz-TR; US is NOT a race
20:57 schestowitz-TR; US is a broad mix
20:57 DaemonFC; They ought to change the law from "prove you won't use welfare for 10 years" to "you can't use it for 10 years", and then they know you won't.
20:57 schestowitz-TR; maybe you also think asia and africa is a race
20:58 schestowitz-TR; as if people in egypt are the same as Congolese
20:58 DaemonFC; Paris is at least as dangerous as Chicago.
20:58 DaemonFC; And it's because they're having an illegal immigration crisis too.
20:58 schestowitz-TR; anyway, I'll be back later
20:58 schestowitz-TR; you inserted some mexico story
20:58 DaemonFC; It's not the French citizens that are robbing and raping and stabbing tourists.
20:58 schestowitz-TR; to interject your hatred towards spanish speakers
20:59 schestowitz-TR; later...
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.63 k/sec., IPFS upstream 103.95 average k/sec., average swarm size 353.31
20:59 schestowitz-TR; go to another channel, too
20:59 *psydruid has a lot of experience with the illegal immigration crisis in Biarritz
20:59 schestowitz-TR; don't ruin this one
20:59 DaemonFC; The globalists don't want anyone to have a national identity.
21:00 DaemonFC; So they do everything they can to strip it away and ruin it.
21:00 *psydruid notes that Paris isn't all of France
21:00 DaemonFC; They figure it'll be easier to officially knock over all of the borders and declare some sort of world state later if they can just ruin everything we have here first.
21:01 DaemonFC; Then nobody will care anymore.
21:03 DaemonFC; https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/30/23003168/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory-news-column-campaign-gop
21:04 TR Bot; Facebook funded anti-TikTok campaign through GOP firm - The Verge
21:05 DaemonFC; https://www.shiftphones.com/
=> ↺ https://www.shiftphones.com/
21:05 TR Bot; - Nachhaltige Technologie aus Deutschland
21:05 DaemonFC; About the only way you ever hear of "Linux" support from the manufacturer is if it's a European company, or Chinese.
21:06 DaemonFC; There's a lot of collusion in the US to make damned sure nobody hears about anything but Windows, Mac, and Google at the store.
21:06 TR News; Microsoft is faking it, just like Fakebookkk and other social control media (Twitter was also sued for it and lost) https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/ai_fake_linkedin_faces/
=> ↺ https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/ai_fake_linkedin_faces/
21:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/ai_fake_linkedin_faces/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/ai_fake_linkedin_faces/
21:06 TR Bot; 1,000-plus AI-generated LinkedIn faces discovered in probe The Register
21:07 TR News; MirageOS Announces Latest Release v4.0, dedicated to Lars Kurth Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163159
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163159
21:07 TR Bot; MirageOS Announces Latest Release v4.0, dedicated to Lars Kurth | Tux Machines
21:07 TR News; Arm says devs need better multi-architecture support - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/arm_heterogeneous_compute/ Source: theregister
=> ↺ https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/arm_heterogeneous_compute/
21:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/arm_heterogeneous_compute/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/arm_heterogeneous_compute/
21:07 TR Bot; Arm says devs need better multi-architecture support The Register
21:13 TR News; "deliberately misconfigured version of CosmosDB and ended up with complete unrestricted access to the accounts and the databases of thousands of Microsoft Azure customers." https://forallsecure.com/blog/the-hacker-mind-follow-the-rabbit http://techrights.org/2021/09/30/azure-brute-force/
=> ↺ https://forallsecure.com/blog/the-hacker-mind-follow-the-rabbit
=> http://techrights.org/2021/09/30/azure-brute-force/
21:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: forallsecure.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://forallsecure.com/blog/the-hacker-mind-follow-the-rabbit
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://forallsecure.com/blog/the-hacker-mind-follow-the-rabbit
21:13 TR Bot; The Hacker Mind: Follow The Rabbit
21:13 TR Bot; Microsoft Whistleblower and Clients Warned, More Than 2 Years Ago in Fact, About the Current Azure Mess (But Microsoft Ignored Those Warnings, Buried Facts) | Techrights
21:13 DaemonFC; It looks like Canonical really changed Ubuntu's software installer to demote Debian packages.
21:13 DaemonFC; Snap was failing so the natural thing is just force it on everyone.
21:14 DaemonFC; It makes sense for them. It makes it pretty much impossible to fork Ubuntu because nobody else can use their package format. The server is proprietary and nobody knows how to make an alternative Snap package server.
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21:15 DaemonFC; -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- www.theregister.com | 1,000-plus AI-generated LinkedIn faces discovered in probe The Register
21:15 DaemonFC; To defraud investors?
21:15 activelow; XRevan86: Putin resided in Dresden, which i remember how my application documents were treated there
21:15 DaemonFC; "Look at all these accounts!"
21:16 activelow; which was, they scraped various projects from it, opened accounts at the federal investment bank there, and denied my application
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21:17 activelow; although, this wasn't the case in Dresden only; i had a similar experience with ministry of finance/germany (former finance minister Olaf Scholf, now chancellor) where i was invited
21:17 schestowitz-TR; [21:15] "Look at all these accounts!"
21:17 schestowitz-TR; typical
21:17 schestowitz-TR; social control media in a nuitshell
21:17 schestowitz-TR; fake being big
21:17 schestowitz-TR; show off your bigness
21:17 schestowitz-TR; and then people think they TOO need to create an account
21:17 schestowitz-TR; FOMO
21:17 activelow; XRevan86: insofar, i do not know what the level of corruption in Russia is, in germany it has become murderous already
21:18 schestowitz-TR; germany is corrupt
21:18 schestowitz-TR; see epo
21:18 schestowitz-TR; the media is also very corrupt
21:18 schestowitz-TR; so it helps hide the corruption
21:19 activelow; well, application documents aren't subject to patent claims, nonetheless it was systematic fraud and corruption at work, such often i couldn't keep track of it anymore
21:19 TR News; fabrics???? https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-and-western-digital-begin-far-reaching-collaboration-to-drive-standardization-of-next-generation-storage-technologies-for-broader-ecosystem-support-and-customer-adoption
21:19 TR Bot; Samsung and Western Digital Begin Far-Reaching Collaboration To Drive Standardization of Next-generation Storage Technologies for Broader Ecosystem Support and Customer Adoption Samsung Global Newsroom
21:21 TR News; Redmonk itself is NOT "Vendor-Neutral"; it's s shilling operation disguised as "analysts"; they even name the paymasters. https://redmonk.com/kholterhoff/2022/03/24/vendor-vs-vendor-neutral-certifications/
=> ↺ https://redmonk.com/kholterhoff/2022/03/24/vendor-vs-vendor-neutral-certifications/
21:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: redmonk.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://redmonk.com/kholterhoff/2022/03/24/vendor-vs-vendor-neutral-certifications/
21:21 TR Bot; Vendor vs Vendor-Neutral Certifications console.log()
21:23 DaemonFC; There's what Germany says about the former East Germany and what they do in practice.
21:23 TR News; Redmonk: "Disclosure: AWS, GitHub, Google (GKE), IBM, Microsoft (AKS), Salesforce, and VMware are RedMonk clients." That's MICROSOFT TWICE. How corrupt does Redmonk want to get? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988#comment-33220
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988#comment-33220
21:23 TR Bot; Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes | Tux Machines
21:23 DaemonFC; What they say is that the infrastructure was very bad and they pump trillions into fixing it, and they had to close down nuclear power plants because of safety standards.
21:23 activelow; the ministry of finance is located in the most western part of Germany, Bonn
21:23 DaemonFC; In fact, they treat it like they were at war, and they conquered them.
21:24 activelow; so, the "business" habits don't differ that much, from Bonn to Moscow or wherever
21:24 DaemonFC; Even in the US, federal money is just money they stole from the states and the state citizens to begin with.
21:25 DaemonFC; They offer it back with conditions to corrupt and manipulate local governments.
21:25 activelow; similar experience with some EU funded projects
21:26 activelow; together with a melange of psychotic ideology
21:26 DaemonFC; It's basically how leftists conspire to set state policy in places they can't win elections.
21:26 DaemonFC; Authorize huge pots of "federal" money but only if conservatives change their laws first to one the Democrats like better.
21:27 DaemonFC; Blue states have finally overplayed their hand. They're the ones losing the House seats and electoral votes now.
21:28 DaemonFC; The needle is moving away from the Democrats in the electoral college.
21:28 activelow; in germany the giant pots of public money can't be spent anymore, due to lack of substantial investments
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21:28 DaemonFC; in germany the giant pots of public money can't be spent anymore, due to lack of substantial investments
21:28 DaemonFC; Yes, brain drain and lack of people who want to do the work.
21:28 activelow; such as, there is a gigantic pot for optical fibre, yet missing company to roll out
21:29 activelow; DaemonFC: i cannot anymore, even if i wanted to, that's the other irony of it
21:29 DaemonFC; Congress is still acting like they can make it so just by passing funding for something.
21:29 matey; mincer daemonfc schestowitz schestowitz-tr and so it begins... https://github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/pull/61
=> ↺ https://github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/pull/61
21:29 TR Bot; one problem that bad_array_new_length is not thrown for certain by chumarshal1 Pull Request #61 gcc-mirror/gcc GitHub
21:29 activelow; i had enough of it, 2005 already
21:29 MinceR; gcc moving to MICROS~1 github?
21:29 matey; (dfc because hes the one sure to get the quote)
21:29 matey; moving? nah
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21:30 matey; just getting a hug
21:30 matey; "mirror"
21:30 matey; mirror will pull requests in 2022
21:30 MinceR; :(
21:30 matey; note that its still JUST incidental enough that theres not much gcc people can do about it
21:30 matey; but the avalanche has already started
21:30 bnchs; mincer
21:30 matey; (another quote dfc knows)
21:30 bnchs; the best way to avoid this
21:30 DaemonFC; It's too late for the pebbles to vote?
21:30 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogwgq7JsRtE
=> ↺ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogwgq7JsRtE
21:30 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Ogwgq7JsRtE
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Ogwgq7JsRtE
21:30 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Hugs! yugioh Abridged Melvin'd quotes - Invidious
21:31 matey; yep
21:31 bnchs; is to mirror the pull requests to mail requests
21:31 matey; anyway people looking for doom and gloom have better reason than this
21:31 matey; bnchs: that helps in one way, makes this permanent in another
21:31 matey; the fact is, gcc became part of ibmhub a long time ago
21:31 schestowitz-TR; matey: the account name is gcc-mirror
21:32 matey; what do i always say about mirrors roy
21:32 schestowitz-TR; which means that as soon as they touched it they made it very clear what it is
21:32 bnchs; you cant disable pull requests
21:32 schestowitz-TR; but nevertheless
21:32 schestowitz-TR; not a good thing
21:32 matey; i know bnchs
21:32 schestowitz-TR; I was just writing about gfithub
21:32 matey; be sure to add why this isnt a problem roy
21:32 DaemonFC; LAME is still using Forged Source.
21:32 DaemonFC; :)
21:32 matey; anyway
21:32 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/microsoft-osi-and-redmonk/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/microsoft-osi-and-redmonk/
21:32 DaemonFC; From way back in the day.
21:32 TR Bot; Microsoft: Bribing With Both Hands | Techrights
21:32 schestowitz; typos possible
21:32 schestowitz; draft
21:32 schestowitz; report typos
21:32 matey; no they cant disable pull requests
21:32 matey; but they can put a note saying dont use them
21:32 DaemonFC; Forged Source had the malware installer scandal.
21:33 matey; if you dont stand up to this, people will have it take over
21:33 DaemonFC; And now they mirror GitHub and pretend like there's still projects using Forged Source.
21:33 matey; forged source had different owners then
21:33 matey; the new ones fixed the malware (and now just dump clown shit on it)
21:33 matey; but they did fix the malware issue
21:33 matey; the clown shit is annoying-- i hit a pile of clown shit on clownhub today too
21:34 matey; if github isnt the clown, what is
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21:34 matey; but the bigger problem for gcc (for now) isnt the mirror that has pull requsts
21:34 matey; the bigger problem is still ibm
21:35 TR News; http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/microsoft-osi-and-redmonk/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/microsoft-osi-and-redmonk/
21:35 schestowitz-TR; ass
21:35 schestowitz-TR; rms bro
21:35 schestowitz-TR; ibm bros
21:35 matey; oh hes dead leave him be
21:35 schestowitz-TR; yeah
21:35 schestowitz-TR; if true
21:35 matey; and i never was sure adam stallman was the same one at ibm
21:35 schestowitz-TR; that info is not reliable
21:35 schestowitz-TR; and... to be fair
21:35 matey; no i dont consider it reliable either
21:35 schestowitz-TR; assuming he worked there until a decade ago
21:35 schestowitz-TR; ibm was not bad to us
21:35 schestowitz-TR; they helped gnu, linux, odf
21:35 matey; it was trollish, but not the antichrist
21:36 schestowitz-TR; they turned sour much later
21:36 matey; ^ themselves
21:36 matey; helped themselves
21:36 schestowitz-TR; with ginni the apple fan
21:36 matey; i think they were closer to neutral with more than a hint of selfish
21:36 TR News; Microsoft: Bribing With Both Hands | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/microsoft-osi-and-redmonk/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/30/microsoft-osi-and-redmonk/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/microsoft-osi-and-redmonk/
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/30/microsoft-osi-and-redmonk/
21:36 matey; supporting patents and whatnot
21:36 TR Bot; Microsoft: Bribing With Both Hands | Techrights
21:36 schestowitz-TR; oin
21:36 matey; more like a frenemy
21:36 schestowitz-TR; openoffice
21:36 schestowitz-TR; for symfony
21:37 schestowitz-TR; all in all it did not feel like they attacked us
21:37 schestowitz-TR; with their rogue interests
21:37 matey; and i dont believe they just turned evil one day
21:37 schestowitz-TR; that happened in more recent years
21:37 matey; which means they were always planning something worse imo
21:37 schestowitz-TR; and more so with them trying to monetise red hat and the swpats
21:37 matey; they were a frenemy-- not nearly as bad as microsoft
21:37 matey; and the fsf said
21:38 matey; sure, let red hat host gcc and gdb
21:38 matey; whats the worst that could happen
21:38 schestowitz-TR; ukraine: let putin keep crimea
21:38 schestowitz-TR; peace for our time
21:38 matey; but just for the record, right now i think ibm is the bigger threat to gcc and gdb
21:38 schestowitz-TR; putin licked
21:38 schestowitz-TR; not he bites
21:38 matey; the fact that there are pull requests on the gcc mirror on github though
21:38 matey; thats bad
21:38 schestowitz-TR; *now
21:39 schestowitz-TR; same in linux kernel
21:39 schestowitz-TR; torvalds closes themn
21:39 schestowitz-TR; and hey
21:39 schestowitz-TR; if the PRs are good
21:39 schestowitz-TR; and important
21:39 matey; oh god
21:39 matey; no
21:39 schestowitz-TR; the submitted would do it the right way
21:39 matey; yes
21:39 schestowitz-TR; and join the mailing list
21:39 matey; right
21:39 schestowitz-TR; if not, the changes are likely junk
21:40 matey; but
21:40 matey; if it becomes a thing
21:40 schestowitz-TR; like typo correction or "I am from UMN"
21:40 matey; and no one stops it
21:40 matey; pretty soon they could have so many
21:40 matey; that some idiot is saying
21:40 schestowitz-TR; no
21:40 schestowitz-TR; if thgey ignore them all
21:40 matey; hey, just saying, maybe we should have someone accept these prs
21:40 matey; and review them
21:40 schestowitz-TR; and don't even reply
21:40 schestowitz-TR; then it's like #techrights in librea chat
21:40 schestowitz-TR; that channel died
21:40 matey; they should reply
21:40 schestowitz-TR; same in freenode
21:40 schestowitz-TR; people can speak
21:40 schestowitz-TR; nobody would reply
21:41 matey; github isnt a problem that will go away based on do-nothingism
21:41 schestowitz-TR; the URL SLUG is clear
21:41 schestowitz-TR; GCC-MIRROR
21:41 schestowitz-TR; is the submitter
21:41 schestowitz-TR; 1) does not know what mirror means
21:41 schestowitz-TR; 2) cannot figures how to send plain text email
21:41 matey; if gcc-mirror is submitting prs to itself
21:41 matey; even a year later
21:41 matey; then this is deliberate fuckery
21:41 schestowitz-TR; 3) cannot understand how the project work
21:41 matey; not ignorance
21:41 matey; nope
21:42 schestowitz-TR; then it's very likely the person isn't a coder
21:42 matey; i dont care if its molly and her hair is green now
21:42 matey; this is deliberately bad
21:42 schestowitz-TR; but a "hypocrite" (UMN) or saboteur or hipster
21:42 matey; definitely one of those
21:42 schestowitz-TR; like people who suggests in the kernel mailing lists that they should move to c# and pytion
21:42 schestowitz-TR; for the kernel
21:42 schestowitz-TR; python!
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21:42 matey; lol@python kernel
21:42 schestowitz-TR; that was suggested by a guy from MICROSOFT
21:42 matey; better than rust, still lol
21:42 schestowitz-TR; Keigh Curtus
21:43 schestowitz-TR; *Keith Curtis
21:43 matey; /me tries to imagine how you could actually make a python kernel
21:43 schestowitz-TR; python3 kernel
21:43 matey; "ctypes"
21:43 matey; "stfu"
21:43 matey; python3! the rust of python
21:44 matey; 2007: ironpython 2027: rustpython
21:44 schestowitz-TR; btw
21:44 matey; 2032: p#
21:44 bnchs; wait wtf
21:44 bnchs; python kernel?
21:44 schestowitz-TR; watch the latest libreplanet talk I posted in techrights
21:44 matey; bnchs: im sure they were trolling
21:44 schestowitz-TR; about 5 hours ago
21:44 matey; title
21:44 schestowitz-TR; he explained how python3 broke games
21:44 matey; he who
21:44 schestowitz-TR; and then he had to spend loads of time trying to fix them
21:44 matey; yeah python 3 is an npi
21:44 schestowitz-TR; and once packaged they would have other issues
21:44 schestowitz-TR; the code was the same
21:44 matey; so is rust
21:45 schestowitz-TR; only python changed
21:45 schestowitz-TR; and then changed again and again
21:45 schestowitz-TR; even python3 itself..
21:45 schestowitz-TR; getting url
21:45 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/freesw-game-restoration/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/freesw-game-restoration/
21:45 TR Bot; Dennis Payne on Free/Libre Computer Games and Game Restoration | Techrights
21:45 matey; python 3 isnt a language, its a webapi cleverly disguised as a language-- same as rust
21:45 schestowitz-TR; canonical had the same issues with python3
21:45 schestowitz-TR; we still use loads of python2 stuff
21:45 matey; its a clown language
21:45 matey; when canonical wont bend over for it you KNOW its bad
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21:46 schestowitz-TR; if you have 500,000 lines of code
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21:46 matey; we still use loads of python2 stuf <- if python 2 disappears i might spend years forking it
21:46 matey; i wouldnt fork the whole thing
21:46 schestowitz-TR; search and replace does not make the issue go away
21:46 matey; just the parts that i give a shit about
21:46 schestowitz-TR; some upgrader script
21:46 schestowitz-TR; you can just blindly run against the code
21:46 matey; i dont think pypy can ditch pypy2 fwiw
21:46 schestowitz-TR; you need to check what you change, then do lots of testing
21:46 matey; there are reasons some things stick
21:46 schestowitz-TR; across platforms too
21:46 matey; like pypy2 isnt just in it for "choice"
21:46 schestowitz-TR; just to MAINTAIN what ALREADY worked
21:47 matey; its a design decision
21:47 schestowitz-TR; he praised SDL for API consistency
21:47 schestowitz-TR; and backward compat
21:47 schestowitz-TR; but
21:47 schestowitz-TR; SDL is now shithub
21:47 schestowitz-TR; they moved ladt year, iirc
21:47 matey; sdl = sdl2 = opengl = vulkan = github
21:47 schestowitz-TR; SDL2, very disappointing
21:47 matey; but sdl WAS pretty stable
21:47 matey; i used it in my own software
21:47 schestowitz-TR; not reeally
21:47 schestowitz-TR; not 20 years ago
21:47 matey; 20 years ago?
21:47 schestowitz-TR; when I was a student another student with the same supervisor used SDL
21:47 matey; i definitely mean more recently
21:48 schestowitz-TR; which turned out to be a mistake
21:48 schestowitz-TR; as it had loads of issues in it
21:48 matey; ok well obviously no software starts out stable
21:48 matey; thats a contradiction in terms
21:48 schestowitz-TR; even more than 20 years ago
21:48 matey; so when i say it was stable
21:48 schestowitz-TR; 2001 iirc
21:48 matey; i mean after it became stable, but that should go without saying
21:48 schestowitz-TR; someone wrote a game in it
21:48 schestowitz-TR; and regretted it
21:48 schestowitz-TR; lagrange is written in sdl btw
21:48 matey; the fact that it had a non-stable period before that is literally all software ever
21:48 schestowitz-TR; odd choice for a non-game
21:49 matey; sdl has been used for a few non-game things
21:49 schestowitz-TR; lagrange paste bugs remain
21:49 matey; basically its less trouble to roll your own solutions if you dont like a bunch of unstable crap like i dunno, gtk
21:49 schestowitz-TR; for over a year already
21:49 schestowitz-TR; it cannot cope with select to clipboard
21:49 matey; when more projects use sdl for gui, you know the other gui options have failed
21:49 matey; because sdl isnt really a gui, its a canvas
21:50 matey; when people are drawing their own controls, gui toolkits have failed horribly
21:50 matey; the whole point of a gui toolkit is to save you the troubl
21:50 matey; when they are too much trouble, theyve failed at the one job they had
21:50 psydruid; and that's the crux of the story
21:50 matey; i still like tk
21:51 matey; but i guess it wouldnt be too popular in pakistan
21:51 matey; since it seems to get arabic wrong
21:51 matey; as a plus, it doesnt need hardbuzz
21:51 matey; harfbuzz
21:51 matey; as a minus, it cant seem to handle arabic
21:51 psydruid; but it does get devanagari right?
21:51 matey; or some other things
21:52 matey; basic devanagari
21:52 matey; the thing about computers and hindi is
21:52 matey; roman characters are more common because full devanagari keyboards are expensive
21:52 matey; so people handwrite it but type roman letters
21:52 matey; its practical
21:53 bnchs; matey: sdl is still great for cross-platform shit tho
21:53 matey; yeah im a fan of sdl, its one of the few 3rd party libs ive even used
21:53 schestowitz-TR; even mobile
21:53 psydruid; typing devanagari on a US keyboard is a struggle for me
21:54 psydruid; I can never find all characters
21:54 matey; kuch nehi, chinta mat karo
21:55 psydruid; it's much easier using an onscreen keyboard such as Openboard on Android sadly
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21:55 psydruid; so that would be nice to have on a GNU/Linux tablet for input of complex character sets
21:57 TR News; Using the openSUSE Build Service to build software for POWER | Random thoughts of Peter CzP Czanik https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/power-opensuse-build-service/ Source: peter czanik
=> ↺ https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/power-opensuse-build-service/
21:57 TR Bot; Using the openSUSE Build Service to build software for POWER | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik
21:58 TR News; New Linux kernel patch speeds up server shutdowns Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163160
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163160
21:58 TR Bot; New Linux kernel patch speeds up server shutdowns | Tux Machines
22:00 matey; /me has xvkbd but its pretty crap
22:00 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163161
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163161
22:00 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
22:01 matey; what i meant is that a lot of people just use roman characters (transliterated)
22:01 matey; and save devanagari lettering for handwriting
22:01 matey; and professional typesetting
22:03 matey; im not even talking about input methods
22:03 matey; (like ive seen pinyin input methods for producing chinese characters)
22:04 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163162
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163162
22:04 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
22:04 TR News; Canonical/Ubuntu: Clown Computing, 'Smart' Homes, and 'IoT' Buzzwords Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163163
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163163
22:04 TR Bot; Canonical/Ubuntu: 'Clown' Computing, 'Smart' Homes, and 'IoT' Buzzwords | Tux Machines
22:04 matey; the difference between roman hindi and input method is the latter (only) produces native characters
22:04 matey; yeh roman hindi hai
22:05 DaemonFC; California is a shit sandwich from top to bottom, but literally thanks to San Francisco.
22:05 DaemonFC; The "bullet train to nowhere" that won't be any faster than Metra or Amtrak once every two bit town has a stop.
22:05 DaemonFC; Running out of water and suggesting a twist of lemon to get rid of the dirt flavor.
22:05 DaemonFC; Worst taxes in the nation.
22:05 matey; but literally thanks to San Francisco <- deja poo
22:06 DaemonFC; Crime unpunished and out of control due to liberal prosecutor that might actually face a recall in California for unleashing the Kraken on the idiots that voted for him.
22:07 DaemonFC; I was on the fairly early Internet. Before most had it in their homes. Not old enough for Mosaic, but definitely old enough to use Netscape 3/4.
22:07 DaemonFC; Speaking of Deja.....
22:07 matey; psydruid do you use any browser that supports js?
22:07 matey; even for tasks other than browsing?
22:08 DaemonFC; I liked Deja News before Google bought them, ruined it, and turned it into Google Groups, and then censored it by unsubscribing me from newsgroups it did not like.
22:08 DaemonFC; Deja News was one of the sites I liked so well it was in my bookmarks bar.
22:09 psydruid; matey, falkon and netsurf mainly
22:09 matey; ok falkon should do it
22:09 matey; i cant netsurf to do anything with js other than fail
22:09 psydruid; and yes, using roman is the default
22:09 matey; ok i have a project i think i can complete in a couple hours
22:09 matey; youll love it
22:10 psydruid; that's cool
22:10 matey; and if you dont, its no problem
22:10 matey; /me demonstrates the evil power of js at what it truly does best :/
22:10 psydruid; nah, it's just so frustrating when I can do such things here on Android very easily
22:10 matey; youll be able to do them without android too
22:11 *psydruid uses the same xmpp account across devices
22:11 psydruid; Conversations here and Dino on my laptop
22:11 DaemonFC; So Ubuntu is probably not on the table.
22:12 DaemonFC; They've removed GNOME Software and written their own package installer that promotes Snaps instead.
22:12 matey; awful
22:12 DaemonFC; It's fair to say they're not a Debian derivative anymore.
22:12 matey; if theres one thing worse than gnome
22:12 matey; its snaps
22:12 matey; hell, its fair to say debian isnt a debian derivative anymore
22:12 matey; ubuntu isnt even a distro
22:13 matey; its more of a distru
22:13 matey; destru
22:13 matey; its a weapon of gnu/linux distribution
22:13 psydruid;
22:14 DaemonFC; I'd recommend Fedora before this. This is awful.
22:14 matey; /me cant read it anyway
22:14 psydruid; it was just an example
22:14 matey; [] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][] [] []
22:14 DaemonFC; Ubuntu slid to #6 on Distrowatch and Kubuntu to #19.
22:14 DaemonFC; I remember when the top 5 were all based on Ubuntu.
22:14 psydruid; main yahaan sab likh sakta hun
22:15 matey; sakta kya matlab
22:15 DaemonFC; Debian is also falling down the list.
22:15 DaemonFC; Just not as fast.
22:16 DaemonFC; Seems Manjaro is getting a lot of attention.
22:17 DaemonFC; Canonical seems fine with asset stripping Ubuntu of anything that won't make money in the short term.
22:17 psydruid; sakta ka matlab angrezi mein "able" hai
22:17 DaemonFC; Short term, accepting Microsoft cash makes money.
22:18 DaemonFC; Long term, it ruins your business.
22:18 matey; ohho theek hai
22:18 DaemonFC; I wonder what Walmart is using these days.
22:18 DaemonFC; That Novell-Microsoft deal was mostly about Walmart.
22:19 DaemonFC; They deemed Windows unsuitable to run at their scale except as a thin client.
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22:19 DaemonFC; It's gotten to the point where Windows can only manage simple tasks, so I have no idea why Walmart even uses the thin client versions.
22:20 bnchs; matey: i was gonna say this before my ISP rapes my connection
22:20 bnchs; but i ported a few SDL games to the PS3 and they were easy as fuck
22:21 DaemonFC; " Clement Lefebvre has announced the release of a brand-new version of Linux Mint's Debian edition, better known as LMDE. The new release is based on Debian 11 and uses the Cinnamon desktop: "The team is proud to announce the release of LMDE 5 'Elsie'." The release announcement contains a brief introduction to LMDE, while the release notes provide a list of known issues: "To launch the installer in expert mode, run the following command: sudo
22:21 DaemonFC; live-installer-expert-mode. To install LMDE on an existing LVM partition you must first remove it from the LVM volumes and groups to which it belongs. In manual partitioning mode, note that the installer will auto-mount all swap partitions. These partitions will also be placed in /etc/fstab in the installed system. The LMDE ISO images and the live installer use a different structure than the ones used by other distributions. Do not use Yumi or
22:21 DaemonFC; multi-boot technologies with LMDE as it won't install properly. The root account is locked by default. To use the recovery console (from the Grub menu) or log in as root, you first need to give root a new password: sudo passwd root.""
22:21 DaemonFC; Linux Mint is fine to recommend to people with the stipulation that they use the Debian Edition.
22:22 DaemonFC; Canonical already showed that Ubuntu is not a stable base and that they will commit hostilities using pettifogger attorneys with "creative" interpretations of the law.
22:22 bnchs; so i can see the pain of using tor with cloudflare websites
22:22 DaemonFC; And they do subtle things to corrupt distributions that base on them.
22:22 bnchs; a few months ago
22:22 psydruid; I guess someone wasn't joking when I asked this person what toolkit I should use to write software for Windows and they answered "DirectX", even though the answer should have been SDL
22:22 bnchs; the cloudflare websites worked, but now
22:25 matey; but i ported a few SDL games to the PS3 and they were easy as fuck <- thats awesome
22:25 matey; as much as i hate sony forever
22:25 matey; /me hasnt forgiven them in 17 years
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22:25 matey; he wasnt kidding about the isp
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22:27 bnchs; irc is alot more stabler in ethernet than wifi
22:27 bnchs; probably jammers in area
22:29 bnchs; matey: the PS3 hacking community is trying to port opengl to PS3 (as a library)
22:29 bnchs; it actually uses mesa
22:29 bnchs; and nouveau drivers
22:31 psydruid; do you have access to the bare metal including the ability to run your own operating system on it instead of their hypervisor?
22:32 DaemonFC; "LMDE aims to be as similar as possible to Linux Mint, but without using Ubuntu. The package base is provided by Debian instead."
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22:33 DaemonFC; Major improvement. At least you don't have to worry about Snaps and Pettifogger attacks that way.
22:33 bnchs__; psydruid: only in an eariler firmware version
22:34 bnchs__; and you can only downgrade with QA mode enabled
22:34 bnchs__; (aka game tester mode)
22:34 activelow; never grasped the idea, why Ubuntu forked from Debian (among many other spin-offs); why is a separate distribution necessary instead of simply apt-get install
22:35 activelow; and changing some GTK theme
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22:43 bnchs; was wrong
22:43 bnchs; it was simply a football night
22:43 bnchs; where everyone in the country watches the football match livestream
22:45 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/03/30/1089264644/is-it-cake-netflix
=> ↺ https://www.npr.org/2022/03/30/1089264644/is-it-cake-netflix
22:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.npr.org/2022/03/30/1089264644/is-it-cake-netflix
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.npr.org/2022/03/30/1089264644/is-it-cake-netflix
22:45 TR Bot; The case for 'Is It Cake?,' Netflix's new game show : NPR
22:45 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, $20 a month to guess if something is cake or not.
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22:48 psydruid; wasn't that yesterday?
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22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.00 k/sec., IPFS upstream 87.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 245.16
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23:04 XRevan86; https://zona.media/translate/2022/03/30/pressafsb_eng
=> ↺ https://zona.media/translate/2022/03/30/pressafsb_eng
23:04 Alternative link; Cloudflare: zona.media | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://zona.media/translate/2022/03/30/pressafsb_eng
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://zona.media/translate/2022/03/30/pressafsb_eng
23:04 TR Bot; Ukrainian refugee interview about Azov atrocities was shot by the FSB. State media ordered to omit the source
23:05 activelow; ^ funded by german "social democrats" and "alliance90/greens"
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23:06 XRevan86; activelow: https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/004/592/misc-jackie-chan-l.jpg
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23:07 activelow; https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Mitgliedern_der_Atlantik-Br%C3%BCcke
=> ↺ https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Mitgliedern_der_Atlantik-Br%C3%BCcke
23:07 TR Bot; Liste von Mitgliedern der Atlantik-Brcke Wikipedia
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23:08 XRevan86; I'll assume it wasn't a comment on the link I gave, but I've no idea what the comment was actually about then.
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23:08 activelow; funneling billions of cash into russia, in parallel supplying ukraine with weapons... and nuckling the last drip of oil and gas out of Ukraine/Russian pipelines
23:09 MinceR; https://nitter.eu/pic/media%2FETpYFbYUwAAo2A-.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig
=> ↺ https://nitter.eu/pic/media%2FETpYFbYUwAAo2A-.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig
23:09 activelow; recently, they are planning to acquire F-35 from USA, build Intel semiconductor plants in east-germany, and buy Israeli missile systems
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23:11 activelow; some other rumors: 250 Abrams tanks brought to Poland (unverified)
23:11 DaemonFC; I doubt Biden went off script.
23:11 DaemonFC; REGIME CHANGE. Putin will be taken out somehow.
23:12 MinceR; good
23:12 MinceR; they should hurry up and kill that asshole before more people die because of him
23:12 MinceR; or better yet, start killing him, but kill him slowly
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23:13 activelow; because of whom? Burisma and affiliates?
23:14 MinceR; because of his war crimes and other crimes against humanity
23:15 XRevan86; activelow: "funneling billions of cash into russia, in parallel supplying ukraine with weapons... and nuckling the last drip of oil and gas out of Ukraine/Russian pipelines" <- [citation needed]
23:15 DaemonFC; I don't think the US will go to war with Russia. I think there will be an element of the Russian government, inside the FSB, that gets rid of Putin.
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23:15 MinceR; that may not be up for the US to decide, unless they're willing to surrender unconditionally
23:16 MinceR; i wonder if someone inside putler's inner circle will really be willing to get rid of him
23:16 activelow; XRevan86: 24/7 broadcasted on german tv and newspapers flooded. although i had not heard reports anymore about the operational status of the Ukraine pipeline attached to german energy/gas grid
23:16 activelow; last reports were, "Alliance90/greens" (atlantic bridge minion war criminals) prepare for energy emergency plans activated
23:17 activelow; and, whatever corona-lockdown was before, they are planning for more of this
23:17 activelow; to ration oil and gas supplies (i haven't any anyway)
23:18 XRevan86; activelow: Mediazona has 24/7 broadcast in Germany? Amazing! Tell them that, they'll love it.
23:18 activelow; XRevan86: this one wasn't broadcasted in germany https://zona.media/translate/2022/03/30/pressafsb_eng
=> ↺ https://zona.media/translate/2022/03/30/pressafsb_eng
23:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: zona.media | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://zona.media/translate/2022/03/30/pressafsb_eng
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://zona.media/translate/2022/03/30/pressafsb_eng
23:18 TR Bot; Ukrainian refugee interview about Azov atrocities was shot by the FSB. State media ordered to omit the source
23:21 MinceR; XRevan86: https://ircz.de/m/pics/2019/08/14/08/51/44/564a27e59eae4189b100bcf7b34d6fd4.jpeg
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23:21 XRevan86; MinceR: https://emojipedia.org/thinking-face/
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23:21 TR Bot; Thinking Face Emoji
23:22 MinceR; :)
23:22 XRevan86; goddamit
23:22 XRevan86; I was distracted.
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23:22 XRevan86; coub.com is dying, I dumped everything that was ever mentioned in my history and now reviewing if everything is all right. And reminiscing.
23:23 XRevan86; (it should be obvious I don't have an "Emoji Picker")
23:23 MinceR; :>
23:34 kingoffrance; i interpreted that "shot by the FSB' differently the first glance ;0
23:35 MinceR; :>
23:40 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22032169
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23:40 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.imgur.com/NxqyjtF.jpg created on 2022-03-21 17:58:16.882806
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