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[06:11] Techrights-sec restarting httpd

[06:11] schestowitz-TR I don't think montastic even noticed, well caught

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[07:12] Techrights-sec It was less than 3 minutes but long enough to not just set off the visible alarm

[07:12] Techrights-sec but also the audio alarm

[07:12] Techrights-sec The http server had completely stopped serving files by then.

[07:12] Techrights-sec s/3/8/

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[09:44] schestowitz-TR see draft

[09:44] schestowitz-TR I was about to post the talk about gemini

[09:44] schestowitz-TR then I realised there was a mixup at libreplanet

[09:44] schestowitz-TR they put the wrong video in there

[09:44] schestowitz-TR not sure if they will noptice and correct this

[09:44] schestowitz-TR so I leave it as a draft for now

[09:44] schestowitz-TR maybe the talk they link to got 'swapped' over

[09:44] schestowitz-TR but if I link to these there is a risk the link would break

[09:44] schestowitz-TR once they spot and correct the issue

[09:46] Techrights-sec ack

[09:46] Techrights-sec The Alevropoulos video is wrong?

[09:46] Techrights-sec The bandali post needs a longer more informative summary and the "here" link needs proper text.

[09:46] schestowitz-TR no, the one in drafts

[09:47] Techrights-sec The material in the Anchor element should be informing about what the link it

[09:47] Techrights-sec goes to contains.

[09:48] schestowitz-TR I was going to expand, to watch the talk, but then I stopped

[09:48] schestowitz-TR it turned out they mixed up the videos last night, 4 hours ago is like 11pm in boston

[09:49] Techrights-sec It's heading towards 5 am there

[09:49] schestowitz-TR the video was uploaded 4-5 horus ago

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[10:02] Techrights-sec so if they uploaded it at midnight or thereabouts the people who did so are

[10:02] Techrights-sec most likely asleep and will not be up any time soon

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[16:14] schestowitz-TR > "Microsoft saw declines in all metrics this month, losing 3.22 million sites (-7.13%), 156,000 domains (-1.75%), 118,000 activ

[16:14] schestowitz-TR e sites (-1.88%), and 7,620 computers (-0.57%). Microsoft also lost 1,000 sites from its share of the top million." https://news

[16:14] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Could not resolve host: news; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://news )

[16:14] schestowitz-TR .netcraft.com/archives/2022/03/29/march-2022-web-server-survey.html

[16:15] schestowitz-TR > "Microsoft saw declines in all metrics this month, losing 3.22 million sites (-7.13%), 156,000 domains (-1.75%), 118,000 activ

[16:15] schestowitz-TR e sites (-1.88%), and 7,620 computers (-0.57%). Microsoft also lost 1,000 sites from its share of the top million." https://news

[16:15] schestowitz-TR .netcraft.com/archives/2022/03/29/march-2022-web-server-survey.html

[16:15] Techrights-sec yes, their market share is dimishing rather steadily. Depending on whether one

[16:15] Techrights-sec includes mobile phones and tablets in the metrics, their market share on the

[16:15] Techrights-sec desktop has plummeted. Annoyingly, because they still have the desktop / laptop

[16:15] Techrights-sec OEM monopoly lots of people who should know better assume that they have a

[16:15] Techrights-sec similar presence in all the markets rather than being a no-show in several

[16:15] Techrights-sec and pathetically weak in the rest.

[16:16] schestowitz-TR we have more freesw challenged than ever before

[16:16] schestowitz-TR libreopffice covers a broad range of issues

[16:16] schestowitz-TR that I could noot explain myself

[16:16] schestowitz-TR I still wait for the mediagolbin admin

[16:16] schestowitz-TR to correct the link to the smolweb talk

[16:17] Techrights-sec the netcraft survey points out the problem of cloudflare, too

[16:17] Techrights-sec I plan to listen to that talk if the link gets updated

[16:17] Techrights-sec """

[16:17] Techrights-sec Microsoft saw declines in all metrics this month, losing 3.22 million sites (-7.13%), 156,000 domains (-1.75%), 118,000 active s

[16:17] Techrights-sec ites (-1.88%), and 7,620 computers (-0.57%). Microsoft also lost 1,000 sites from its share of the top million.

[16:17] Techrights-sec """

[16:17] Techrights-sec Losing >7% of the sites, but which kind of site ? Parked, or top million, or

[16:18] Techrights-sec what?

[16:18] schestowitz-TR i did 3 or 4 very lengthy videos about netcraft, some over an hour long

[16:18] schestowitz-TR I covered all those aspects, even several times over

[16:18] schestowitz-TR parked aside, numbere of servers is a misleading metric

[16:18] schestowitz-TR we both know why

[16:19] Techrights-sec yes, that's why it is important to ignore the parked domains

[16:20] schestowitz-TR those are opposites actually

[16:20] schestowitz-TR for parked, number of domains is misleading

[16:20] schestowitz-TR for sites, noumber of servers

[16:20] schestowitz-TR as Windows needs more boxes the accomplish the same

[16:20] schestowitz-TR so it can sem more dominant than it actually is

[16:21] schestowitz-TR assuming north korea hots some web servers not accessible outside the country,

[16:21] schestowitz-TR the likelihood of those running windows os similar is 0 or minus :-)

[16:22] Techrights-sec yes, there are many windows servers per single domain even

[16:22] Techrights-sec giving a false impression

[16:22] Techrights-sec on top of that, a bad problem, is the number of assholes^Wwindows admins needed

[16:22] Techrights-sec to operate those machines. There are /so/ many situations where the

[16:22] Techrights-sec asshole^Wwindows admin has to be physically on side to do softare and system

[16:22] Techrights-sec maintenance

[16:23] schestowitz-TR not joking here,

[16:23] schestowitz-TR iirc, some years back there were repports about microsofters staying and sleeping

[16:23] schestowitz-TR on site, literally

[16:23] schestowitz-TR I think when lockdowns started

[16:23] schestowitz-TR the unix folks could go home and ssh

[16:23] schestowitz-TR microsoft has a whole different set of challenges

[16:24] Techrights-sec yes, but managers love that situation, especially petty empire builders

[16:24] Techrights-sec M$ is a staffing problem not a technology

[16:26] Techrights-sec M$ "servers" require frequent heroic efforts to get running and bring them

[16:26] Techrights-sec back up after frequent outages, instead of punishing the staff or managers

[16:26] Techrights-sec they are patted on the back for effort. Whereas with UNIX a small number of

[16:26] Techrights-sec staff can keep several orders of magnitude more servers and desktops running

[16:26] Techrights-sec for less effort. Yet get no recognition for using the technology as a force

[16:26] Techrights-sec multiplier. GNU/Linux and the UNIXes do not help build empires out of

[16:26] Techrights-sec pissant departments.

[16:32] Techrights-sec also the UNIXes follow a written tradition with documentation and all

[16:32] Techrights-sec the M$ shit is a jumbled hodgepodge of irrelevant and wrong descriptions

[16:32] Techrights-sec the only way to get things running is to be indoctrinated orally and that

[16:32] Techrights-sec allows them to apply a defacto loyalty test in the process. If you run other

[16:32] Techrights-sec systems, they won't pass on as much as is needed or may not any at all.

[16:33] Techrights-sec netcraft hates self hosting

[16:33] schestowitz-TR wrong

[16:33] schestowitz-TR the Web hates iot

[16:33] schestowitz-TR the browser hates it

[16:33] schestowitz-TR the government hates it

[16:33] schestowitz-TR etc etc

[16:33] schestowitz-TR netcraft is just part of that

[16:33] schestowitz-TR I say, let's move away from the web

[16:34] schestowitz-TR to the extent feasible

[16:34] Techrights-sec yeah netcraft is just following along, I noticed they stopped providing OS

[16:34] Techrights-sec information once it was seen that M$ was not relevant in the server market

[16:34] Techrights-sec for the most part

[16:34] schestowitz-TR i think you can still see it or could when I last checked

[16:35] Techrights-sec there is a little of it left but nowhere near as accessible or as prominent

[16:35] Techrights-sec as a long time ago when it was a main part of each report

[16:35] schestowitz-TR are you sure you are not conflating this with their monthly most reliable hosts report, where top 10 is usually all gnu/linux an

[16:35] schestowitz-TR d maybe 1 freebsd?

[16:36] Techrights-sec not conflating, there used to be OS info in the montly reports too

[16:36] schestowitz-TR can you check the archives they have?

[16:36] schestowitz-TR it would be funny to show windows falling and fallking

[16:36] schestowitz-TR and then the OS thing dropped altogether

[16:36] schestowitz-TR it would make a strong point in visual terms

[16:39] Techrights-sec there's not a consistend naming scheme for the URLs

[16:39] Techrights-sec It looks like it may only go back to 2007. The 2007 Feb survey as a link to

[16:39] Techrights-sec Sept 2002, but that link is dead:

[16:39] Techrights-sec https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2007/02/02/february_2007_web_server_survey.html

[16:39] Techrights-sec http://survey.netcraft.com/index-200209.html

[16:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.netcraft.com | February 2007 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News

[16:39] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.netcraft.com | Web Server Survey | Netcraft News

[16:39] schestowitz-TR internet archive?

[16:39] Techrights-sec as are the platform groupings:

[16:39] Techrights-sec http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/Reports/200702/platform.html

[16:39] Techrights-sec even from 2007

[16:41] schestowitz-TR as i remembered it, they focused on the server software and not OS in these reports

[16:41] schestowitz-TR 2007

[16:42] Techrights-sec correct but the OS was featured more to hype M$

[16:43] schestowitz-TR try wayback machine?

[16:43] schestowitz-TR to make the point?

[16:43] schestowitz-TR oh, beat me to it

[16:43] Techrights-sec https://web.archive.org/web/20060326073803/http://survey.netcraft.com/index-200209.html

[16:43] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Netcraft Web Server Survey

[16:45] schestowitz-TR so this old report does not show OS over time

[16:45] schestowitz-TR it does mention solaris along the way

[16:45] schestowitz-TR in an unflattering way

[16:45] schestowitz-TR even in recent years the OS used was shown for pertinent sites

[16:45] schestowitz-TR but with CDNs and reverse proxies it as hard to figure out what

[16:45] schestowitz-TR really ran sites

[16:45] schestowitz-TR sometimes you can guess, but wrongly

[16:46] Techrights-sec The "What's that Site Running?" service also used to feature OS reports IIRC

[16:46] Techrights-sec https://web.archive.org/web/20060101000000*/http://survey.netcraft.com/whats

[16:46] Techrights-sec Netcraft increasingly shifted the content and bias of their reports to boost M$

[16:46] -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | Wayback Machine

[16:47] Techrights-sec they changed URLs for the service at least once

[16:48] schestowitz-TR you could go to top level domain in AI and then navigate from there to find it

[16:48] schestowitz-TR I only started paying attention to netcraft around 2006

[16:48] schestowitz-TR or 2005 rather

[16:49] Techrights-sec that's around the time I stopped and gave up on Netcraft

[16:49] Techrights-sec They did not appear to like that Apache was close to 80% of the market

[16:51] schestowitz-TR those firms are like palamida

[16:51] schestowitz-TR or black duck

[16:51] schestowitz-TR their interests are not what they want you to trhink

[16:51] schestowitz-TR like tracking gplv3 adoption

[16:51] schestowitz-TR for them to profit they need a partner

[16:51] schestowitz-TR or to become a shill

[16:51] schestowitz-TR like redmonk the |analysts|

[16:51] schestowitz-TR so when I asked rms about palamida in 2007 he said

[16:51] schestowitz-TR to me he was dismissive because

[16:51] schestowitz-TR he would not trust their motivation

[16:51] schestowitz-TR in retrospect he was right

[16:51] schestowitz-TR iirc, they're now in the 'LF camp'

[16:51] schestowitz-TR under an entity which absorbed palamida

[16:52] Techrights-sec they're just mouthpieces for redmond

[16:52] Techrights-sec LF sucks and has nothing (positive) to do with Linux

[16:52] schestowitz-TR wait til zemlin and greg issue a press release condemning microsoft bribery

[16:52] schestowitz-TR I'd be all bones before that happens

[16:53] Techrights-sec it wouldn't happen even then

[16:53] schestowitz-TR the norwegian windows shop has just joined oin

[16:53] schestowitz-TR oink oink

[16:54] schestowitz-TR maybe they will even move to linux gasp

[16:55] Techrights-sec I wonder what that move was about

[16:55] Techrights-sec it must be way to promote sw patents

[16:55] schestowitz "Open Invention Network (OIN), the organization formed to safeguard open source software (OSS) and the largest patent non-aggression community in history, announced today that A. P. Mller Mrsk A/S (Maersk) has joined as a community member. Maersk is a leading integrated container logistics company and the global leader in shipping services, operating in more than 130 countries. As a user of open source, Maersk considers OSS an enabler of

[16:55] schestowitz advanced supply chain management platforms."

[16:56] schestowitz-TR "supply chain"

[16:56] schestowitz-TR "user"

[16:56] schestowitz-TR "generated"

[16:56] schestowitz-TR "supply chain"

[16:56] schestowitz-TR "sheep"

[16:56] schestowitz-TR "livestock"

[16:56] schestowitz-TR "content"

[16:56] schestowitz-TR "protestware"

[16:56] schestowitz-TR (malware from Microsoft servers)

[16:57] schestowitz-TR "it's NOT malware, it's a protest... because RUSHANS BAD BAD BAD... and it's the fault of open source, not the Microsoft "Services"..."

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[17:01] Techrights-sec ack

[17:01] Techrights-sec yes, the press' current lies / misdirections / distractions from M$

[17:01] Techrights-sec The last decades of severe problems get brushed under the rug as somehow

[17:01] Techrights-sec unavoidable and normal

[17:02] schestowitz-TR could do an article, There's No "Protestware", It's Code Word For Malware From Microsot

[17:02] schestowitz-TR but I can't be botheredf

[17:02] schestowitz-TR I am waiting for libreplanet to fix the error so I can watch the darn video

[17:03] Techrights-sec do you have any contacts there who are admins or know the admins?

[17:03] schestowitz-TR yes, but I would need to start the gngine on some bloat called thunderbird for that

[17:03] schestowitz-TR I hope they will spot tehrir own error or he himself will report it to them

[17:04] Techrights-sec ack

[17:04] schestowitz-TR a lot of these vids are skeletal

[17:04] schestowitz-TR they do not advertise them yet

[17:04] schestowitz-TR and some lack description, proper urls etc.

[17:05] schestowitz-TR it's "under construction" still

[17:05] schestowitz-TR I saw many other missing bits

[17:22] Techrights-sec ack

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[19:06] schestowitz-TR w00t

[19:06] schestowitz-TR they fixed it for us

[19:06] schestowitz-TR btw, be sure to wactch the talk about taking back the web

[19:06] schestowitz-TR

[19:06] schestowitz-TR it is good

[19:06] schestowitz-TR he mentions how www ruins email

[19:06] schestowitz-TR and mntionals bandali's talki at 18:55

[19:06] schestowitz-TR worthn checking out

[19:06] schestowitz-TR I will soon start banbdali's talk

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