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00:19 DaemonFC; I don't have any Horse Pepsi, but I have a Horse Coke.
00:19 MinceR; Horse Choke?
00:20 DaemonFC; For some reason, when people see it, they say NAAAAAAAAY!!!
00:21 MinceR; :>
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00:57 DaemonFC; Microsoft 365 ads on Tubi. LOL
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01:21 DaemonFC; I've switched mainly to instant coffee recently.
01:22 DaemonFC; Most of the regular coffee is up about 40% and they didn't do that to instant yet, and there were good rebates too lately, so looks like that's what I'll have for a while.
01:22 activelow; be careful with it, instant coffee overdosed on an empty stomach... this is what i had this morning
01:25 activelow; rediscovered a traditional german cuisine, which is cooked white cabbage, then mildly roasted grinded meat mixed into, spiced with cumarin and salt, with lots of margarine
01:25 activelow; kept german farmers alive for hundreds of years, easy on the stomach, nutritios, and best of it only natural flavors
01:26 activelow; white cabbage contains some mustord oils, which together with cumarin adds a delicate taste to it
01:27 activelow; and, it is cheap, a pot with a half head of cabbage, 800grams of grinded meat, and margarine, for ~5Euros, and lasts three days, together with bread
01:28 MinceR; they had margarine for hundreds of years?
01:29 activelow; yes, Napoleon Bonaparte introduced margarine; and traditional pig breeds contained more fat than today
01:29 activelow; i prefer margarine, easier on stomach, and contains some vitamin-d
01:31 MinceR; that was 153 years ago, i wasn't sure if that's "hundreds" :>
01:32 activelow; sure, my grandparents used pork bacon instead
01:33 activelow; another delicate farmers meal, green cabbage (wirsing) with pork; although this takes too long to prepare
01:34 activelow; after eating grinded meat with paprika cream for month, gladly i rediscovered "Schichtkohl"
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02:00 DaemonFC; Farmers ate some pretty heavy stuff back in the day.
02:01 DaemonFC; I hear that rice is very expensive in Japan because of protectionist laws.
02:01 DaemonFC; Perhaps 40% higher than it would otherwise cost.
02:02 DaemonFC; Anyway, they eat a ton of it and most of them live to old age.
02:02 DaemonFC; The doctors here all tell us don't eat rice.
02:03 activelow; most of my grandparents reached 90years+; although eating what doctors typically advice not to
02:03 activelow; yet, i am smoking cigarettes, they didn't
02:04 activelow; the east-german cuisine was better quality anyway, in comparison to the western one
02:05 activelow; oranges, bananas and other tropical fruit weren't available, nonetheless there was many varieties available
02:06 AdmFubar; don't eat domestic rice
02:07 activelow; the strawberries from the garden were the best, smaller in size, harvested when ripe and sweet, and a different variety than what is sold in supermarkets
02:09 activelow; and a special type of berry, similar to wine, which i think was the berry wine derived from by selective breeding; grown in every garden
02:15 AdmFubar; ???
02:16 activelow; sorry, mind slipped into the past
02:17 AdmFubar; I'm wondering what is a berry that is similar to wine...
02:17 activelow; Stachelbeere
02:18 AdmFubar; sure they are "insolvent" now.. yeah yeah that's the ticket https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-28/spyware-vendor-finfisher-claims-insolvency-amid-investigation
02:18 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
02:18 AdmFubar; :P gooseberries...
02:26 AdmFubar; bloomberg site sounds like Shpongle lyrics...
02:31 activelow; FinFisher renamed to Vilicious Holding GmbH recently; it's probably a shell company of the government anyway, for accounting purposes, camouflaging as a private business entity to source staff
02:32 activelow; don't think ministry of the interior would directly appear as business entity on "labor market" and similar
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02:41 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, March 28, 2022
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02:42 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, March 28, 2022
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03:07 IPFS; QmVsotEYMNPE1dyPEZpAQ81YQFtSrxNxJNRyba9tPacbNr
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03:39 activelow; mistake, it isn't cumarin, it is caraway added to white cabbage
03:41 AdmFubar; oh... just where will this go..... https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/new-windows-security-feature-blocks-vulnerable-drivers/
03:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/new-windows-security-feature-blocks-vulnerable-drivers/
03:41 TR Bot; New Windows security feature blocks vulnerable drivers
03:42 AdmFubar; cumarin? perhaps you mean cumin?
03:43 MinceR; furanocoumarin
03:46 AdmFubar; I need to stay away from that stuff....
03:47 MinceR; :>
03:54 activelow; Kmmel
03:56 activelow; problem with Kraut (cabbage) is digestion if Kmmel isn't added
03:56 activelow; caraway combined with mustard (sharp and sour radish oils) is delicate
03:57 activelow; always wondered, when Mc Donalds arrived in East-Germany they, the Muricans, don't know how to prepare meat with spices
03:59 activelow; they're only adding sweetened sauce to it; and the price; for 5Euros i can prepare a pot of cabbage and grinded meat which lasts three days
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05:50 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, March 28, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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05:55 TR News; puppylinux.com is down (PuppyLinux outsourced to Microsoft, Microsoft suspends site of GNU/Linux distro) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163093
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05:55 TR Bot; puppylinux.com is down (PuppyLinux outsourced to Microsoft, Microsoft suspends site of GNU/Linux distro) | Tux Machines
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06:09 TR News; LibrePlanet 2022 Talk on Free Software in the French Public Administration | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/free-software-france/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/free-software-france/
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06:09 TR Bot; LibrePlanet 2022 Talk on Free Software in the French Public Administration | Techrights
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06:15 AdmFubar; http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=313215
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06:15 TR Bot; GitHub explains reasons behind the past week's outages The Register
06:15 TR News; "Between 2022-03-22 and 2022-03-29 there were 20 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients. For reference, during the same time, there were 217 games released for Windows on Steam, so the Linux versions represent about 9.2 % of total released titles." https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-native-linux-clients-2022-03-29/
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06:15 TR Bot; New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-03-29 Edition - Boiling Steam
06:17 TR News; Gulag kills what it buys, including RSS https://etbe.coker.com.au/2022/03/29/feedburner-dying/
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06:17 TR Bot; Feedburner Seems to be Dying etbe - Russell Coker
06:19 schestowitz-TR; AdmFubar: blame "open source"
06:19 schestowitz-TR; AdmFubar: microsoft: github is proprietarey
06:19 schestowitz-TR; it's down
06:19 schestowitz-TR; it's nto github's fault
06:19 schestowitz-TR; blame some open source something
06:19 schestowitz-TR; the criminals from Microsoft show their true selves
06:21 AdmFubar; roy... chill out and have a laugh at their expense ;)
06:21 TR News; This past 1-2 weeks lots of sites which had foolishly outsourced to clownflare lost all their visitors. Esp. those who used RSS feeds. RSS readers don't do JavaScript.
06:22 schestowitz-TR; AdmFubar: [05:55] puppylinux.com is down (PuppyLinux outsourced to Microsoft, Microsoft suspends site of GNU/Linux distro) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163093
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06:22 schestowitz-TR; we need to stop the outsourcing
06:22 schestowitz-TR; it's an attack not just on software freedom
06:23 TR News; Site "linuxsecurity" continues linking to Linux FUD https://linuxsecurity.com/news/security-trends/some-developers-are-fouling-up-open-source-software Microsoft shipping malware is not an "open source" issue; the media spins it a lot
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06:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxsecurity.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxsecurity.com/news/security-trends/some-developers-are-fouling-up-open-source-software
06:23 TR Bot; developers are fouling up open-source software | LinuxSecurity...
06:24 TR News; xkcd: Spacecraft Debris Odds Ratio https://xkcd.com/2599/ Source: xkcd
06:24 TR Bot; Spacecraft Debris Odds Ratio
06:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2599/
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06:24 TR News; This talk is titled From GNU Emacs to code.gouv.fr, and was presented at LibrePlanet 2022 by Bastien Guerry. Bastien is the free software officer for the French public administration" http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/free-software-france/
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06:26 AdmFubar; excuses excuses https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/insiders-say-apple-is-reducing-production-because-of-inflation
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06:26 TR Bot; reportedly slashing iPhone production on weak demand - Protocol
06:26 schestowitz-TR; no no
06:26 schestowitz-TR; wait, it's true
06:27 schestowitz-TR; but not in the way they put it
06:27 schestowitz-TR; there's inflation
06:27 schestowitz-TR; based on lies partly
06:27 schestowitz-TR; so people spend less
06:27 schestowitz-TR; they cannot spend more
06:27 schestowitz-TR; and they go,
06:27 schestowitz-TR; "hang on a second"
06:27 schestowitz-TR; "why do we spent so much money on this Apple junk?"
06:27 schestowitz-TR; "we could get cheaper equipment
06:27 AdmFubar; remember this? https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/apple-retention-grants
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06:27 TR Bot; is doling out $200,000 'retention grants' to keep people from leaving - Protocol
06:27 schestowitz-TR; so apple sales are down
06:28 schestowitz-TR; apple: it's inflation's fault
06:28 schestowitz-TR; yes, true
06:28 schestowitz-TR; maybe lower your pricing threefold
06:28 AdmFubar; hard to biuld em when you don't have staff
06:28 schestowitz-TR; yes, I saw the retention grants
06:28 schestowitz-TR; 2 days agi
06:29 schestowitz-TR; that's not good for workers
06:29 schestowitz-TR; less work/employer mobility means they fix the salaries lower
06:30 TR News; In this weakening/collapsing economy it is hardly surprising that demand for Apple's junk has plunged. Last year they stunned shareholders. Bubble of a company...
06:32 TR News; Who sponsors Phoronix? Not the reader. New photo: https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=2022&image=too_much_nvme_lrg
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06:32 TR Bot; Image (Too Much Nvme)
06:32 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: ^^^^
06:33 schestowitz-TR; how much on ebay?
06:34 TR News; I should actually be glad that many sites suffered this past week for outsourcing to Microsoft GitHub and Clownflare, but I cannot reach them. Some of them are sites I like. Maybe lessons learned?
06:35 TR News; "The Mars helicopter continues to excel, Linux arrives on M1 Macs, Canonicals hiring methods cause a stink, Graham eats his words about MDM, KDE korner, and more." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-170/
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06:35 TR Bot; Late Night Linux Episode 170 Late Night Linux
06:36 psydruid; a few thousand, this isn't comparable to AMD's EPYC line of CPUs
06:36 schestowitz-TR; ok, thanks
06:37 schestowitz-TR; not so many amphere articles in phoronix
06:38 schestowitz-TR; they need to shell out more
06:38 schestowitz-TR; to compete with IntelMD
06:38 schestowitz-TR; Gold-plated CPUs
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06:40 psydruid; Ampere recently incurred a loss as reported in Oracle's filing
06:40 TR News; Firmus Superclown sets a new standard for sustainable clown computing with Canonicals open infrastructure | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/firmus-supercloud-sets-a-new-standard-for-sustainable-cloud-computing-with-canonicals-open-infrastructure Source: ubuntu
06:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/firmus-supercloud-sets-a-new-standard-for-sustainable-cloud-computing-with-canonicals-open-infrastructure
06:40 TR Bot; Supercloud sets a new standard for sustainable cloud computing with Canonicals open infrastructure | Ubuntu
06:40 psydruid; Oracle owns a significant share in Ampere
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06:40 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: seems most US companies operate at a loss
06:40 schestowitz-TR; there are some categories
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06:41 schestowitz-TR; companies that admit they lose
06:41 schestowitz-TR; companies they pretend they don't lose
06:41 psydruid; Ampere is working on its next generation of processors
06:41 schestowitz-TR; companies that say the losses are temporary ("KEEP INVESTING!!")
06:41 psydruid; yes
06:41 schestowitz-TR; companies that SOMETIMES do not lose (easy to fake this)
06:41 schestowitz-TR; companies that make a profit
06:41 psydruid; https://www.extremetech.com/computing/333137-rumor-amds-zen-4-flagship-to-offer-32-threads-170w-tdp
06:41 TR Bot; AMD's Zen 4 Flagship to Offer 32 Threads, 170W TDP - ExtremeTech
06:41 schestowitz-TR; that last one is few well known brands
06:42 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: it's like running a low-end vacuum cleaneer
06:42 psydruid; but you read things like this and start wondering if that is where computing should be headed
06:42 schestowitz-TR; 24/7
06:42 psydruid; the answer is obviously no
06:43 schestowitz-TR; many cores will be idle most of the time
06:43 TR News; [GIT PULL] erofs updates for 5.18-rc1 - Gao Xiang https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YjgtIqJK0Io+zYeI@debian/ Source: Debian | GNU | Linux | FreeSW
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06:43 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] erofs updates for 5.18-rc1 - Gao Xiang
06:44 psydruid; my take on it is that if it isn't doing work, it should be powered off
06:44 psydruid; especially with such high power consumption
06:44 TR News; 10 Websites to Find Creative Commons Videos - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/5-websites-find-creative-commons-videos/ Source: maketecheasier
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06:44 TR Bot; 10 Websites to Find Creative Commons Videos - Make Tech Easier
06:45 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: 32 threads
06:45 schestowitz-TR; imagine leaving the vacuum cleaner on all the time
06:45 schestowitz-TR; because you might need it later for a couple mins
06:45 schestowitz-TR; like, to compile a kernel
06:45 psydruid; yeah
06:45 schestowitz-TR; some people like linus buy these or get sent this
06:46 schestowitz-TR; how many times a day does he even compile his program?
06:46 schestowitz-TR; maybe 1-5 times?
06:46 schestowitz-TR; when doing gtk development I'd compile in the background while still writing more code
06:46 schestowitz-TR; so there's overlap
06:46 schestowitz-TR; my new laptop has only 2 cores
06:47 psydruid; at some point the returns are diminishing
06:47 schestowitz-TR; the screens (9 of them) are dimming down when not used
06:47 schestowitz-TR; or not accessed
06:47 psydruid; and you start wondering if you aren't solving the wrong problem
06:47 psydruid; or the problem in the wrong way
06:48 schestowitz-TR; so it's maybe 100w territories on average
06:48 psydruid; referring to the work done by activelow
06:48 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: maybe they don't solve a problem
06:48 schestowitz-TR; but create a problem
06:48 schestowitz-TR; imagine this CPU having defects or issues after warranty expires
06:49 schestowitz-TR; what next?
06:49 schestowitz-TR; CPU insurance?
06:49 schestowitz-TR; Currys/PCWorld: would you like 5-year insurance for this CPU?
06:49 psydruid; it's a great way to upsell services
06:49 schestowitz-TR; It's only $500 for 5 years! It's a bargain
06:49 schestowitz-TR; you could buy 3 laptops for that fee
06:49 psydruid; but I think it will backfire in a huge way they aren't even expecting
06:50 schestowitz; https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Google-Linux-Too-Many-NVMe
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06:50 TR Bot; Has A Problem With Linux Server Reboots Too Slow Due To Too Many NVMe Drives - Phoronix
06:50 psydruid; I'd rather have cheap CPUs I can replace when broken
06:50 schestowitz; context ^
06:50 schestowitz; my failing NVMe "disk" is why I needed to buy another machine
06:50 psydruid; hence I've never spent that much on one
06:50 schestowitz; it's not a totally dead NVMe but failing
06:50 schestowitz; data is not safe on it anymore
06:51 psydruid; I've never had that happen to me
06:51 schestowitz; Available Spare: 100%
06:51 schestowitz; Available Spare Threshold: 5%
06:51 schestowitz; Percentage Used: 113%
06:51 schestowitz; 113% basically says "Expired"
06:51 schestowitz; "Roy, you've used this disk too much"
06:51 schestowitz; "time to buy a new one"
06:51 psydruid; why does it have so many writes?
06:52 schestowitz; Data Units Read: 82,613,708 [42.2 TB]
06:52 schestowitz; Data Units Written: 169,462,269 [86.7 TB]
06:52 schestowitz; Host Read Commands: 2,039,769,994
06:52 schestowitz; Host Write Commands: 1,736,870,461
06:52 schestowitz; maybe all the video encoding
06:52 psydruid; a case can be made for using hard drives for those
06:53 schestowitz; yeah
06:53 schestowitz; but it is a lot slower
06:53 schestowitz; I installed webcamoid on machine with magnetic disk
06:53 schestowitz; but I'm sure it's too weak to process 3-hour videos in two passes
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06:54 schestowitz; then there's ipfs on microsd
06:54 schestowitz; that too isn't too healthy
06:54 schestowitz; it does a ton of work
06:54 *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@aznruqq9uvrec.irc) has joined #techrights
06:54 psydruid; there are enterprise SSDs, but those are much more expensive
06:55 schestowitz; Apple is killing its own product line https://9to5mac.com/2022/03/28/cider-is-an-alternative-apple-music-desktop-client-with-features-missing-in-itunes/
06:55 TR Bot; is an alternative Apple Music client for Windows and Linux - 9to5Mac
06:55 schestowitz; maybe they reckon there's more money in DRM/streaming
06:56 psydruid; Apple has wanted to go more into services
06:56 psydruid; but they need a crappy OS for that, just like Microsoft
06:57 TR News; "A decent paying job I could do until I reach my golden years. But then something happened. It was another one of those pesky birthdays. In the eyes of someone in management, I no longer fit in anymore. I somehow became the odd man out." http://www.ericmhuffman.com/2022/03/it-used-to-be-something-fun.html
=> ↺ http://www.ericmhuffman.com/2022/03/it-used-to-be-something-fun.html
06:57 TR Bot; My Personal Blog: It Used To Be Something Fun
06:58 psydruid; there isn't room for them to pretend anymore, it's all about lock-in through applications and services now
06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 18.00 average k/sec., average swarm size 306.63
06:59 TR News; LLVM still in bed with Microsoft criminals I see... https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LLVM-Starts-DX-HLSL-Code-Land
=> ↺ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LLVM-Starts-DX-HLSL-Code-Land
06:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LLVM-Starts-DX-HLSL-Code-Land
06:59 TR Bot; Begins Landing The Initial DirectX / HLSL Target Code - Phoronix
07:00 schestowitz; psydruid: http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/cia-strategy-collect-all-data-and-keep-it-forever-130325?news=849534
07:00 TR Bot; Stories - CIA Strategy: Collect All Data and Keep it Forever - AllGov - News
07:00 schestowitz; give Microsoft bailout
07:00 schestowitz; from military budget
07:00 schestowitz; get something in return
07:01 TR News; Microsoft: we need to be BAILED OUT by the Pentagon (taxpayers' money) so that we can bribe officials -- with US TAX MONEY -- all around the world http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
07:01 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
07:02 TR News; Best Programming Languages to Learn in 2022 https://linuxhint.com/best_programming_languages_2022/ Source: LinuxHint | GNU | Linux | FreeSW
=> ↺ https://linuxhint.com/best_programming_languages_2022/
07:02 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxhint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxhint.com/best_programming_languages_2022/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxhint.com/best_programming_languages_2022/
07:02 TR Bot; Best Programming Languages to Learn in 2022
07:04 psydruid; I wonder how deeply they have managed to infiltrate the free software stack, because I don't believe everything is getting audited and scrutinised anymore
07:05 psydruid; referring to things like systemd
07:06 psydruid; or the kernel
07:09 TR News; Zo Kooymans First Keynote as Free Software Foundation (FSF) Executive Director | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/zoe-kooyman-keynote/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/zoe-kooyman-keynote/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/zoe-kooyman-keynote/
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/zoe-kooyman-keynote/
07:09 TR Bot; Zo Kooymans First Keynote as Free Software Foundation (FSF) Executive Director | Techrights
07:11 TR News; howtoforge and linuxcapable became invisible or inaccessible due to their outsourcing to clownflare. I wonder if they're even aware what a colossal error they've made! This is web suicide!
07:15 TR News; netflix: we turn the internet into a souped up mesh of DRM. clownflare: we outsource web traffic to the US. facebook: we spy on people's personal lives. 'Dating' apps and similar: we build a database of people's sex life. Amazon: middleman for China's sweatshops. And so on... (Microsoft: we bribe everyone everywhere)
07:16 TR News; Zemlin PAC as front group of Mark Zuckerberg; he pays them for reputation laundering. https://linuxfoundation.org/featured/mlh-fellowship-opens-applications-production-engineering-scholarships/
07:16 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/featured/mlh-fellowship-opens-applications-production-engineering-scholarships/
07:16 TR Bot; MLH Fellowship Opens Applications for this Summers Production Engineering Track - Linux Foundation
07:17 TR News; Linux Foundation is an inherently racist organisation. Hence they make a lot of noise (to distract from it, to cause confusion).
07:20 AdmFubar; https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/ai_fake_linkedin_faces/
=> ↺ https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/ai_fake_linkedin_faces/
07:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/ai_fake_linkedin_faces/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/ai_fake_linkedin_faces/
07:20 TR Bot; 1,000-plus AI-generated LinkedIn faces discovered in probe The Register
07:28 AdmFubar; https://torrentfreak.com/court-denies-coxs-challenge-of-1-billion-music-piracy-verdict-220328/
=> ↺ https://torrentfreak.com/court-denies-coxs-challenge-of-1-billion-music-piracy-verdict-220328/
07:28 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/court-denies-coxs-challenge-of-1-billion-music-piracy-verdict-220328/
07:28 TR Bot; Denies Cox's Challenge of $1 Billion Music Piracy Verdict * TorrentFreak
07:28 TR News; People dont like GNOME 42s inconsistent themes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163094
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163094
07:28 TR Bot; People don't like GNOME 42's inconsistent themes | Tux Machines
07:28 TR News; Fujitsu Lifebook T725 with openSUSE Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163095
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163095
07:28 TR Bot; Fujitsu Lifebook T725 with openSUSE | Tux Machines
07:28 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163096
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163096
07:28 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
07:29 TR News; Chrome = back door https://www.itechpost.com/articles/109754/20220328/update-google-chrome-download-security-computer-android.htm
07:29 TR Bot; Update Google Chrome Now: How To Download Chrome Security Update on Mac, Linux, Windows, Android | iTech Post
07:30 AdmFubar; hhhmmm someone sounds desperate https://www.windowscentral.com/snag-cheap-xbox-series-x-microsofts-new-refurbished-consoles
=> ↺ https://www.windowscentral.com/snag-cheap-xbox-series-x-microsofts-new-refurbished-consoles
07:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: windowscentral.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.windowscentral.com/snag-cheap-xbox-series-x-microsofts-new-refurbished-consoles
07:30 TR Bot; Snag a cheap Xbox Series X with Microsoft's new refurbished consoles | Windows Central
07:30 TR News; Ubuntu: Conky, Ubuntu News, and Firmus Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163097
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163097
07:30 TR Bot; Ubuntu: Conky, Ubuntu News, and Firmus | Tux Machines
07:31 *matey (~matey@7hpuxwr5tewrw.irc) has joined #techrights
07:32 matey; activelow: i dont think mcdonalds is in any way indicative of american food in general. there is some overlap.
07:32 matey; the constant addition of sugar to condiments is an industrial maneuver, and mcdonalds takes it even farther. go to a cookout and theres a higher ratio of meat to sugar flavour
07:33 matey; real restaurants lean on sugar less. eating sugar makes you hungry, and companies know this and abuse it.
07:33 matey; of course they still serve coca cola.
07:36 matey; i think burger king tries to distinguish themselves with a saltier taste. when youre working with processed leftovers additives are the primary culinary weapon
07:36 matey; the chips at kfc in the uk are naturally better than the american ones. theyre not as good as real chips, just a small step in that direction
07:40 matey; in the 80s, wendys had the worst chips on earth. you probably had better odds getting frozen ones, letting them thaw until they became a health risk, and then microwaving them. i hear theyve gotten better since.
07:41 matey; you cant reheat mcdonalds chips. whatever gives them their flavour is extremely volatile and evaporates into thin air within 8 minutes. if it lasted a little longer, the cia could use it to pass secret messages.
07:50 matey; the most reliable way to get proper chips in america is to make them at home. there is a not-too-remote possibility of losing half your kitchen this way
07:51 matey; a safer alternative is just to mash potatoes and add cheese to them
07:56 matey; id joke about how in the future, drm will bring the restaurant industry to its knees when commercial fryers stop working reliably, but we are already there with mcdonalds shake machines
07:57 matey; "sorry, we cant make anything, fryers are down"
07:57 matey; "again?"
07:58 matey; i think some industries are just bored and trying to see if they can taunt people into a revolution for shits and giggles
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 46.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 95.25 average k/sec., average swarm size 300.73
08:01 matey; like when jim was so done trying to top his own pranks on the office that he got dwight to make himself his own assistant
08:04 Ariadne; the cat and the bun are in a staring contest
08:08 matey; "im cuter." "fuck you, ive got more followers are on instagram."
08:31 schestowitz-TR; matey: I was trying to 'find' you
08:31 schestowitz-TR; did you see the puppy news?
08:32 schestowitz-TR; http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163093
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163093
08:32 TR Bot; puppylinux.com is down (PuppyLinux outsourced to Microsoft, Microsoft suspends site of GNU/Linux distro) | Tux Machines
08:33 schestowitz-TR; oh, dear, barry...
08:33 schestowitz-TR; if only somehow cautioned you...
08:34 TR News; "This weeks episode of Destination Linux, were going to be talking about running open source on your mobile device." https://destinationlinux.org/episode-271/
=> ↺ https://destinationlinux.org/episode-271/
08:34 TR Bot; 271: GNOME 42 & Our Open Source Android App Picks - Destination Linux
08:34 matey; given that i have paid almost zero attention to easyos, which is most likely githubbased as well
08:35 matey; puppy itself is entirely in the hands of a community that felt its impractical to migrate, so theyre stuck with it
08:35 matey; my own distro came out of a project to experiment with rebooting a fully-libre version of puppy
08:36 matey; this was before the github purchase
08:37 matey; there is at least one puppy derivative that steers clear of github, though i believe it is 64-bit x86 only and i have no use for that
08:37 schestowitz-TR; fatdog?
08:37 matey; maybe that one
08:37 schestowitz-TR; no released in ages
08:38 schestowitz-TR; same for black lab linux
08:38 matey; here are two bigger problems for puppy
08:38 schestowitz-TR; does Easy use Woof?
08:38 matey; they lost john murga a while ago, he hosted the forum that had most of the history of puppy
08:38 schestowitz-TR; I had puppy on a machine of mine, briefly
08:38 schestowitz-TR; replaced it with Debian
08:38 matey; the forums are gone
08:39 matey; i couldnt use puppy as-is, too many gripes about it
08:39 matey; youd consider some of them privacy issues
08:39 matey; i fixed those
08:39 schestowitz-TR; good
08:39 matey; but only in the version i worked on
08:40 matey; i did it to encourage others to consider doing the same
08:40 TR News; RM500U-CN Raspberry Pi 5G HAT kit sells for under $200... for the Chinese market Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163098
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163098
08:40 TR Bot; RM500U-CN Raspberry Pi 5G HAT kit sells for under $200... for the Chinese market | Tux Machines
08:40 matey; so the forums are gone, and with them most of the information about puppy
08:40 schestowitz-TR; is barry upset at you?
08:40 matey; i dont think barry knows i exist
08:40 schestowitz-TR; after the confrontation over github?
08:41 schestowitz-TR; iirc, they banned you from their forums for it
08:41 matey; no, youre thinking of something else
08:41 schestowitz-TR; okl;
08:41 schestowitz-TR; maybe another distro
08:41 matey; another forum
08:41 schestowitz-TR; a MATE-y based distro
08:42 matey; no i wouldnt bother with mate
08:42 matey; also github
08:42 matey; though still the best version of gnome, fwiw
08:42 schestowitz-TR; cinnamon same
08:42 schestowitz-TR; this predates Microsoft criminals owning it
08:42 schestowitz-TR; afaik
08:42 matey; i believe so yes
08:42 schestowitz-TR; so more forgivable
08:42 matey; sure but they need to move
08:42 schestowitz-TR; moving away from such a LOCK-IN engine is not easy
08:42 matey; no, thats exactly why people should move
08:43 schestowitz-TR; "but I have my CDs at the back of his truck!!'
08:43 matey; so true
08:43 matey; the biggest problem with puppy is this
08:44 matey; barry is-- a talented coder...
08:44 schestowitz-TR; CDS = GitHub(TM) Issues(R)
08:44 matey; he did a lot of work that you could call great if you wanted to
08:44 matey; he inspired a lot of people
08:44 matey; i learned a lot of first-time gnu/linux stuff on puppy
08:44 matey; it used to be one of the fastest things you could run on older stuff
08:45 matey; i still make some decisions on what software to use based on my early experiences with puppy
08:45 matey; but...
08:46 matey; its all a giant mess of bash scripts, or other shell scripts
08:46 matey; which makes it future proof in a way-- i mean, theyre not likely to make them stop working
08:46 matey; theyre just impossible to clean up and maintain
08:46 schestowitz-TR; yes, that's why I do bash a lot
08:46 schestowitz-TR; but wayland threatens my x-centric stuff
08:46 matey; so basically theyve been doing a firefox on woof for years
08:47 matey; and the progress theyve made seems reactos-like
08:47 matey; it will take forever
08:47 matey; mozilla had to be rewritten, it took years
08:47 schestowitz-TR; firefox on woof, meaning..?
08:47 matey; but these are hobbyists
08:48 schestowitz-TR; btw, today's browsers take AGGGGESSS to build
08:48 matey; meaning theyre trying to redo all of it in a clean way-- i dont blame them
08:48 matey; heres what that does to the community though
08:48 matey; the community throws up its hands, says woof is too hard to use
08:48 matey; simply goes about remastering instead
08:48 matey; someone will use woof to puppyfy the latest ubuntu or slaxk
08:49 matey; slack, then the rest of it goes from there
08:49 matey; woof is a labour of love i suppose-- hard labour
08:49 TR News; "The expression "Second Brain" has been popularized by Tiago Forte, who's been running an online cohort-based class called Building a Second Brain I took the class last year and found it a powerful distillation of an approach to PKM and note-taking." http://thomas.apestaart.org/log/?p=1659
=> ↺ http://thomas.apestaart.org/log/?p=1659
08:49 TR Bot; Building a Second Brain
08:49 matey; barry isnt really involved with it
08:49 matey; he wanted to move on and does easyos
08:50 TR News; Patents "offered" https://businesstech.co.za/news/trending/572018/covid-booster-shot-will-be-offered-to-health-workers-in-south-africa/
08:50 TR Bot; ( status 503 @ https://businesstech.co.za/news/trending/572018/covid-booster-shot-will-be-offered-to-health-workers-in-south-africa/ )
08:50 Alternative link; Cloudflare: businesstech.co.za | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://businesstech.co.za/news/trending/572018/covid-booster-shot-will-be-offered-to-health-workers-in-south-africa/
08:50 matey; i dont know much about it-- something like packages are containers but its a lightweight distro
08:50 matey; since i dont use the linux kernel its of no use to me
08:50 schestowitz-TR; jails?
08:51 matey; youd think i would know a lot about jails by now
08:51 Ariadne; matey: what is your kernel of choice
08:51 TR News; Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: Destination Linux, Late Night Linux, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163099
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163099
08:51 TR Bot; Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: Destination Linux, Late Night Linux, and More | Tux Machines
08:51 matey; ariadne: openbsd-- but im not married to it, its still serious
08:51 matey; definitely a live in couple arrangement
08:52 Ariadne; i mean, outside of alpine, openbsd is my OS of choice
08:52 schestowitz-TR; openbsd has gemini clients in the repos
08:52 schestowitz-TR; unlike debian
08:52 schestowitz-TR; unlike ubuntu
08:52 matey; openbsd has its own gemini server (obviously not on installation, you can pkg_add it)
08:53 matey; but its written specifically for openbsd, using native features (to reduce the need for maintaining code)
08:53 matey; its called vger
08:53 TR News; "I hope you could help me to learn how to live the gemini way and maybe we'll become fellow rhum drinkers !" gemini://midnight.pub/posts/863
=> ↺ gemini://midnight.pub/posts/863
08:53 schestowitz-TR; i know vger
08:54 matey; but part of the reason i dont know much about bsd jails is
08:54 matey; the super-neat security feature of openbsd is pledge
08:55 matey; and what it does (not an entirely new idea at all, only some aspects of the approach) is reduces access to the kernel
08:55 schestowitz-TR; better than Windows Defender? :p
08:55 matey; i mean a bucket of water balloons is better than windows defender
08:55 *schestowitz-TR checks when vger was last released
08:55 schestowitz-TR; vger might get bloated with features
08:55 matey; that is incredibly unlikely
08:56 matey; its like saying a unicycle might get bloated with features
08:56 matey; the entire philosophy of vger is not to write anything that is already available in openbsd natively
08:56 matey; including parts of the server itself
08:57 schestowitz; last change 2 months ago https://tildegit.org/solene/vger
=> ↺ https://tildegit.org/solene/vger
08:57 TR Bot; solene/vger: gemini server written in C used with inetd - vger - tildegit
08:57 schestowitz; https://tildegit.org/solene/vger
=> ↺ https://tildegit.org/solene/vger
08:57 schestowitz; https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2020-11-30-gemini-vger-server.html
=> ↺ https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2020-11-30-gemini-vger-server.html
08:57 matey; you could compare it to clip on sunglasses-- they dont even have temples, they go on existing glasses
08:57 TR Bot; Solene'% : How to deploy Vger gemini server on OpenBSD
08:58 matey; but in general openbsd has a culture of not adding useless crap (unless its for security research)
08:58 schestowitz; iirc, solene said she had coded it in 100 or 200 LOCs
08:58 matey; yeah because its only part of a server in the first place
08:58 schestowitz; matey: so it's like suckless
08:58 matey; it has some things in common with suckless
08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 74.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 242.41
08:59 matey; suckless eschews more than openbsd does
08:59 matey; for example, when they created pledge, the thing they really wanted to try it on was firefox
08:59 matey; why firefox?
08:59 schestowitz; blowfish suckless
08:59 matey; because firefox was one of the biggest messes they could think of that lots of people use
09:00 schestowitz; firefox is a MESS
09:00 matey; and thats exactly why they wanted to see if pledge could work well with it
09:00 schestowitz; run lsod| grep firefox| wc -l
09:00 schestowitz; run lsof| grep firefox| wc -l
09:00 matey; sort of like if you made a new rifle and had the light brigade from charge of the light brigade test it out
09:00 schestowitz; netsurf is like 100 times lesss
09:00 matey; they have netsurf too
09:00 schestowitz; I use it 2/47
09:01 schestowitz; 24/7 even
09:01 schestowitz; netsurf has frequent releases
09:01 schestowitz; it's one outlet for www fatigue
09:01 schestowitz; but it still uses a broken protocol
09:01 schestowitz; and faces hostile sites
09:01 matey; i still think getting away from the web is a very good idea
09:01 schestowitz; eventually
09:02 schestowitz; it's like saying, let's go vegan
09:02 schestowitz; you can start by reducing
09:02 schestowitz; like 80% gemini, 20% web
09:02 schestowitz; and if everyone else does it, momentum shifts
09:02 schestowitz; this past 1-2 I cannot access some sites
09:02 schestowitz; Gulag killed feedburner
09:03 schestowitz; it's final
09:03 schestowitz; and clownflare blocks RSS requests
09:03 schestowitz; as if my RSS reader can solve JS riddles
09:03 schestowitz; the web goes to shit
09:03 schestowitz; gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/
09:03 matey; clownflare is one of the things that will help kill th web for good
09:03 schestowitz; yes!
09:03 matey; you know the saddest exmaple of clownflare i know? its not even, its just a similar bullshit
09:04 SomeH4x0r; archived websites are good too I think, but I don't like that Web Archive grew big
09:04 schestowitz; many people think git is github
09:04 matey; securi firewall-- i call it suckuri
09:04 schestowitz; and www is clownflare
09:04 schestowitz; and gnu is "linux"
09:04 schestowitz; and PC is "Windows"
09:04 matey; the guy who maintains ncurses for gnu blocks tor users from his website
09:04 SomeH4x0r; *Wintel
09:04 schestowitz; and Internet is Web
09:04 matey; its a clownflare like "firewall" for the web
09:05 schestowitz; there are tons more examples like these
09:05 schestowitz; google is search
09:05 matey; sometimes sourceforge does too, but not half as badly
09:05 schestowitz; I could give dozens of examples
09:05 matey; and 99% of the time, when i see them doing that
09:05 matey; i just say fuck it and give up on that website
09:05 schestowitz; when something becomes too dominant in something
09:05 schestowitz; and then the hoi polloi thinks that's the same thing
09:06 schestowitz; usenet is google groups
09:06 schestowitz; amfora and lagrange have a lot of share in gemini
09:06 schestowitz; which itself is risky
09:06 schestowitz; and they implement some "special" features
09:06 schestowitz; "blue e" = internet
09:06 matey; and at least one is github based
09:07 schestowitz; to people in se asia and africa FB IS "the internet"
09:07 matey; i think the only client i have right now is a bash script
09:07 schestowitz; and to some, twitter is "the news"
09:07 matey; se asia?
09:07 schestowitz; s.e. asia
09:07 matey; laos?
09:07 schestowitz; like indochina
09:07 matey; vietnam?
09:07 matey; my geography has always been shit
09:08 matey; indochina <- okay
09:10 matey; "blue e" = internet <- oh yes i remember
09:10 matey; adventurism in branding
09:10 matey; aol did it first, microsoft beat them at their own game
09:10 matey; i realise aol was a bbs too, i used a bbs service in the early 90s
09:11 schestowitz-TR; to many people "apps" are...
09:11 schestowitz-TR; "phones" are..
09:11 schestowitz-TR; (esp, the young)
09:11 matey; its very sad
09:11 schestowitz-TR; who never sae a floppy disk
09:11 schestowitz-TR; diskette
09:11 matey; why did you 3d print the save icon
09:12 schestowitz-TR; lol!!!
09:12 schestowitz-TR; i got a gift from a colleague
09:12 schestowitz-TR; 4 coasters
09:12 schestowitz-TR; they're diskettes
09:12 matey; i had those
09:12 matey; yep
09:12 schestowitz-TR; with cork on them
09:12 matey; these were a foam-like rubbery... foam
09:13 schestowitz-TR; I still use these
09:13 schestowitz-TR; I collect coasters
09:13 schestowitz-TR; they're nice and cheap
09:13 matey; at one point many years ago i got a bunch of aol cds specifically to use as coasters
09:14 matey; i think 3.5 diskettes would work better actually, as long the glass wasnt too wide
09:15 matey; theres a limit to how much condensation a cd can stand and still act as a coaster
09:15 matey; plus the hole in the centre
09:16 matey; you could use two with a piece of tape between them, though i didnt get that elaborate
09:17 schestowitz; https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/the-net-beyond-the-web-audio-only/
=> ↺ https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/the-net-beyond-the-web-audio-only/
09:17 TR Bot; The Net beyond the Web (Audio Only) GNU MediaGoblin
09:17 schestowitz; they uploaded the wrong files
09:17 schestowitz; both the audio and video versions
09:18 matey; did the upload the one where theyre are a bunch of people wearing hoods and holding swords while stallman has his hands tied together?
09:18 matey; there
09:19 matey; we arent supposed to see that one yet
09:20 matey; thomas lord said the people curious why stallman wasnt invited to lp were guilty of "hero worship"
09:20 matey; i give up, he was defending him when stallman was cancelled
09:21 matey; thomas lord has gone back and forth on this sort of thing enough times-- i dont know what side hes on, ive simply accepted that ill never understand his motivations
09:21 matey; this isnt the first time
09:22 matey; i wouldnt even put it down to just saying what he thinks people want to hear-- if its not that though, i really dont know what it is
09:24 TR News; Panos Alevropoulos on Software Patents in 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/panos-alevropoulos-swpats/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/panos-alevropoulos-swpats/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/panos-alevropoulos-swpats/
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/panos-alevropoulos-swpats/
09:24 TR Bot; Panos Alevropoulos on Software Patents in 2022 | Techrights
09:24 matey; https://puppylinux.com/ online
09:24 TR Bot; Puppy Linux Home
09:25 XRevan86; https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/sysvinit-devel/2022-03/msg00000.html "Issues can be reported here: https://github.com/slicer69/sysvinit/issues "
=> ↺ https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/sysvinit-devel/2022-03/msg00000.html
=> ↺ https://github.com/slicer69/sysvinit/issues
09:25 TR Bot; Release of SysV init 3.02
09:25 TR Bot; slicer69/sysvinit GitHub
09:25 schestowitz-TR; still on Microsoft server?
09:26 matey; online: https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE
=> ↺ https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE
09:26 TR Bot; - puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE: woof - the Puppy builder
09:26 schestowitz-TR; hehe
09:26 schestowitz-TR; King Microsoft: bow down
09:26 matey; still on Microsoft server? <- i wasnt aware it was on a microsoft server to begin with
09:26 schestowitz-TR; we own you!\
09:26 matey; https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/sysvinit-devel/2022-03/msg00000.html "Issues can be reported here: https://github.com/slicer69/sysvinit/issues " <- i literally found this a few days ago
=> ↺ https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/sysvinit-devel/2022-03/msg00000.html
=> ↺ https://github.com/slicer69/sysvinit/issues
09:27 XRevan86; matey: Didn't notice that here.
09:27 matey; so switching from systemd to sysvinit wont get you away from github
09:27 schestowitz-TR; let's use a platform controlled by criminals
09:27 schestowitz-TR; just ignore the host
09:27 schestowitz-TR; sure, it bribes everyone
09:27 schestowitz-TR; but we're fine
09:27 matey; matey: Didn't notice that here. <- 99% of what i find about github i dont even mention here
09:27 schestowitz-TR; we'll be OK
09:27 schestowitz-TR; ignore the many github departures
09:27 schestowitz-TR; inc. CEO
09:28 schestowitz-TR; and the assault on women
09:28 schestowitz-TR; the media won't report these anyway
09:28 matey; and the users only care if they step down
09:28 matey; like if they didnt step down, they might leave github
09:28 matey; but if they do step down, problem solved
09:29 schestowitz-TR; in 2018 many projects chose github
09:29 schestowitz-TR; in 2022 not as many
09:29 schestowitz-TR; other options are considered
09:29 matey; thats good
09:29 schestowitz-TR; so over time the share of Microsoft will decrease
09:29 schestowitz-TR; same with skype
09:29 matey; im disappointed about the sr.ht model
09:29 schestowitz-TR; when Microsoft took over a decade ago it was dominant
09:29 schestowitz-TR; now it's nothing compared to whatsapp
09:29 matey; not that you have to pay to start a project there, or maintain write access
09:29 matey; thats okay
09:29 schestowitz-TR; whatsapp is bad also, but..
09:30 matey; but that they dont plan to even keep code online when payment stops
09:30 schestowitz-TR; what is the company -- and the site -- collapse?
09:30 matey; for 8 weeks sure
09:30 schestowitz-TR; I put some coding projects of mine in freshmeat
09:30 schestowitz-TR; don't know what freshmeat.net leads to now
09:31 schestowitz-TR; iirc, esr and others made a new site
09:31 schestowitz-TR; with new name
09:31 schestowitz-TR; and it's merely an archive of some king
09:31 schestowitz-TR; *kind
09:31 matey; i think freshmeat goes to sourceforge or something
09:31 schestowitz-TR; and maybe that too is offline already
09:31 matey; but not directly
09:31 schestowitz-TR; 20 years ago FM and SSF were de facto platforms for fs projects
09:32 matey; like freshmeat says the site is out of date and then offers to take you to sourceforge or something
09:32 schestowitz-TR; the web has a short shelf life
09:32 matey; but some of the content is still there
09:32 matey; what is it that rms says people should say instead of "content"?
09:32 matey; i dont know how he ever got the idea that its a condescending word
09:33 schestowitz-TR; it is
09:33 schestowitz-TR; not only RMS said it
09:33 matey; cdrs and classic books always had a table of "contents"
09:33 schestowitz-TR; even 15 years ago many said it
09:33 schestowitz-TR; with high-profile articles to that effect
09:33 schestowitz-TR; "user-generated content"
09:33 schestowitz-TR; "user"
09:33 schestowitz-TR; "generated"
09:33 schestowitz-TR; "content"
09:33 matey; i take more issue with "user generated" tbh
09:33 schestowitz-TR; sweatshop-teleported "stuff"
09:34 matey; when rms says "content" is bad it goes over my head
09:34 schestowitz-TR; like the creators are "NPCs"
09:34 schestowitz-TR; are songs "content"?
09:34 matey; yeah "user generated" i can see the slight cringe value
09:34 schestowitz-TR; was the mona lisa "content"?
09:34 schestowitz-TR; is firefox "content"?
09:34 matey; war and peace was.
09:35 matey; a tale of two cities was
09:35 matey; this is just making something out of nothing imo
09:35 matey; but im still trying to understand-- i just, dont
09:36 matey; a mango lassi is the "contents" of a glass
09:36 matey; a good lassi is work of art imo
09:36 matey; "gourmet" if you like
09:36 matey; i just cant find a way to be offended by it.
09:36 matey; again: classic books
09:37 matey; granted "gourmet" is a stupid word, but i dont consider it an insult
09:37 matey; as used ^
09:39 matey; part of the reason i cant understand the offense taken is that the original context online was
09:39 matey; a website was JUST a website-- it was the "content" that actually mattered
09:39 matey; its the filling in the oreo
09:39 matey; the good part
09:39 matey; without that, why bother visiting?
09:40 matey; but i dont know-- when you have a list of words youre encouraging people to avoid/use, maybe sometimes you add one thats sort of useless (or proves to be later)
09:41 matey; ive always been very open about having mixed feelings about that page. rms never treated it as mandatory, trisquel added it to their forum rules. i was never a fan of that either.
09:41 matey; i called it a "gnuspeak" dictionary
09:41 matey; well intentioned, i just didnt like it
09:42 matey; its one thing to say people are better off using only free software
09:43 matey; its another to tell everyone who uses free software they should accept this dictionary, rather than writing their own and making those decisions for themselves
09:43 matey; rms maybe did no harm there, trisquel-- i dont agree with it.
09:43 matey; and today you have ubuntu pulling the same trick based on NICENESS
09:44 matey; so, i cant say theres no precedent, free software.
09:44 matey; github: you shouldnt use master when you can use main, its racist
09:45 matey; fsf: you shouldnt use content when you can use (?), its selling yourself short
09:45 matey; not the same i know. just too similar for my taste (and it was before github was even thing)
09:45 TR News; "To begin, the trucks wiper blade control unit was ripped out and replaced with an Arduino Uno along with a new DC motor driver and motor encoder for determining its absolute position." https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/28/these-special-windshield-wipers-move-to-the-beat-of-a-cars-stereo/
09:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/28/these-special-windshield-wipers-move-to-the-beat-of-a-cars-stereo/
09:45 TR Bot; These special windshield wipers move to the beat of a car's stereo | Arduino Blog
09:46 matey; it ENTIRELY depends on what degree of importance is given to it of course. when its literally just a suggestion, who cares, theres no problem.
09:46 matey; some people prefer dogma, when a suggestion is offered. i dont.
09:49 matey; https://www.bkhome.org/ <- online
09:49 TR Bot; BarryK's Home All categories
09:49 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163100
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09:49 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
09:50 matey; i dont even know which site was down, so i cant tell if its back up
09:51 TR News; Gulag and Clownflare wage a war on the Web. Mozilla helps both of them. What does that make Mozilla?
09:56 TR News; "In this post, I will talk about how I modified my pkg configuration so I dont have to modify it after upgrading a host/jail" https://dan.langille.org/2022/03/27/making-my-pkg-conf-configuration-version-independent/
=> ↺ https://dan.langille.org/2022/03/27/making-my-pkg-conf-configuration-version-independent/
09:56 TR Bot; Making my pkg.conf configuration version independent Dan Langille's Other Diary
09:57 TR News; "Cyntech has been on the Raspberry Pi scene since the early days." https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cyntech-raspberry-pi-4-case-and-heatsink-review
=> ↺ https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cyntech-raspberry-pi-4-case-and-heatsink-review
09:57 TR Bot; Cyntech Raspberry Pi 4 Case and Heatsink Review | Tom's Hardware
09:57 TR News; "I haven't written for a bit, in part because I am currently on vacation in Mexico." https://computer.rip/2022-03-24-VoWiFi.html
=> ↺ https://computer.rip/2022-03-24-VoWiFi.html
09:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: computer.rip | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://computer.rip/2022-03-24-VoWiFi.html
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://computer.rip/2022-03-24-VoWiFi.html
09:57 TR Bot; Computers Are Bad
09:58 TR News; "The technical components of e-CODEX are open source building blocks, mainly consisting of a connector and a gateway" https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/cross-border-justice-going-open-source
09:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: europa.eu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/cross-border-justice-going-open-source
09:58 TR Bot; Cross-border justice going open source | Joinup
09:59 TR News; FSF ED Zo said that she has an endless amount of examples and reasons to believe that free software is the way forward, worth protecting, and something we need to make sure people understand how to fight for http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/zoe-kooyman-keynote/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/zoe-kooyman-keynote/
09:59 TR Bot; Zo Kooymans First Keynote as Free Software Foundation (FSF) Executive Director | Techrights
09:59 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Monday, March 28, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/irc-log-280322/ Source: Techrights | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/irc-log-280322/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/irc-log-280322/
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/irc-log-280322/
10:00 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Monday, March 28, 2022 | Techrights
10:00 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163101
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10:00 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
10:00 TR News; "This talk is about software patents, and how they are legal instruments designed to curtail the freedom of developers for the sake of multinational companies interests. http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/panos-alevropoulos-swpats/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/panos-alevropoulos-swpats/
10:00 TR Bot; Panos Alevropoulos on Software Patents in 2022 | Techrights
10:01 TR News; "Elliptic curve cryptography (ECC) is a type of public-key cryptographic systems." https://matt-rickard.com/elliptic-curve-cryptography/
=> ↺ https://matt-rickard.com/elliptic-curve-cryptography/
10:01 Alternative link; Cloudflare: matt-rickard.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://matt-rickard.com/elliptic-curve-cryptography/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://matt-rickard.com/elliptic-curve-cryptography/
10:01 TR Bot; Elliptic Curve Cryptography for Beginners
10:07 schestowitz-TR; matey: the puppy linux site
10:08 schestowitz-TR; barry's site mentioned the issue
10:08 schestowitz-TR; so clearly it was not down
10:08 schestowitz-TR; read the post
10:08 schestowitz-TR; github SUSPENDED it
10:08 schestowitz-TR; it's not the github downtime issue
10:08 schestowitz-TR; they mess around
10:11 matey; they mess around <- so does anyone who stays there, imo
10:12 schestowitz-TR; ack
10:12 matey; the least they could do is warn others "dont come here! its a trap!"
10:12 schestowitz-TR; lol
10:12 matey; instead they act as free marketing and say "well you know, its what people use"
10:12 matey; great, so youre running windows then
10:12 matey; no, windows sucks
10:12 matey; but its what people USE!
10:12 TR News; social CONTROL media https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60875884
=> ↺ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60875884
10:12 TR Bot; Teenage social media use linked to less life-satisfaction for some - BBC News
10:13 TR News; "NYT had confirmed that the documents used as source material" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/business-technology/rehashed-nyt-yarn-on-russian-surveillance-shot-down-by-nokia.html
10:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/business-technology/rehashed-nyt-yarn-on-russian-surveillance-shot-down-by-nokia.html
10:13 TR Bot; - Rehashed NYT yarn on Russian surveillance shot down by Nokia
10:14 TR News; "NYT described how the Finnish firm played a "key role" in helping" https://yle.fi/news/3-12380296
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10:14 TR Bot; NYT: Nokia played "key role" in enabling Russian cyberspying | News | Yle Uutiset
10:14 TR News; "For more than five years, Nokia provided equipment and services to link SORM to Russias largest telecom service provider, MTS" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/technology/nokia-russia-surveillance-system-sorm.html
=> ↺ https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/technology/nokia-russia-surveillance-system-sorm.html
10:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/technology/nokia-russia-surveillance-system-sorm.html
10:14 TR Bot; When Nokia Pulled Out of Russia, a Vast Surveillance System Remained - The New York Times
10:15 TR News; "Security firm UpGuard released a report detailing how it found 1.7TB of data owned by Nokia and related to Russian operator MTS" https://nokiamob.net/2019/09/22/1-7tb-nokia-data-leak-reveals-details-about-surveillance-in-russia/
10:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nokiamob.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nokiamob.net/2019/09/22/1-7tb-nokia-data-leak-reveals-details-about-surveillance-in-russia/
10:15 TR Bot; 1.7TB Nokia data leak reveals details about surveillance in Russia | Nokiamob
10:16 matey; now heres something nice barry has done
10:16 TR News; move!! https://reason.com/volokh/2022/03/27/nycs-private-anti-idling-law-enforcers/
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10:16 TR Bot; NYC's Private Anti-Idling Law Enforcers
10:16 matey; he forked bashblog (github) to: https://bkhome.org/news/tag_shellcms.html
=> ↺ https://bkhome.org/news/tag_shellcms.html
10:16 TR Bot; Barrys News Posts tagged "shellcms"
10:16 matey; self hosted
10:16 schestowitz-TR; nice
10:17 schestowitz-TR; if enough people moan about it
10:17 matey; bashblog is what he was doing his blog with of course
10:17 schestowitz-TR; he might not react overnight
10:17 matey; shellcms is his fork of it
10:17 schestowitz-TR; but that adds up
10:17 matey; barry is compeltely hands-off regarding puppy
10:17 schestowitz-TR; yes, i know the 'cms' he uses
10:17 matey; i think easyos would have been created solely so he could wash his hands of the former
10:18 matey; well its barry, so "cmk" is going mean, naturally "a shell script"
10:18 matey; cms ^
10:18 TR News; Land of disneyland... running out of water https://thehill.com/policy/equilibrium-sustainability/600116-newsom-issues-order-tightening-water-conservation-amid
10:18 TR Bot; issues order tightening water conservation amid worsening drought | TheHill
10:19 matey; whatever the community does with puppy is 100% up to the community
10:19 matey; and for better or worse, its not a corporation this time
10:19 TR News; Old: "More than half the worlds population faces water scarcity for at least one month every year." https://theconversation.com/ipcc-report-half-the-world-is-facing-water-scarcity-floods-and-dirty-water-large-investments-are-needed-for-effective-solutions-175578
10:19 TR Bot; IPCC report: Half the world is facing water scarcity, floods and dirty water large investments are needed for effective solutions
10:19 matey; though the community INSISTS on dividing into tiers along user/dev lines
10:20 matey; and this pressure comes from the users more than the devs i think
10:20 TR News; Mister Pentagon (PentaGAFAM) https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/28/22999754/eric-schmidt-google-money-white-house-science-ai-lander
10:20 TR Bot; Ex-Google CEO funneled money into the White House science office - The Verge
10:21 matey; as though developeritis is a disease one might contract if certain precautions are not taken
10:21 matey; "i heard jakes got the developer thing now" "wow, really makes you think doesnt it"
10:21 TR News; MIT on Misinformation??? https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/03/fake-news-misinformation-mit-study/629396/ Give me a break, MIT. Quit covering up for sex traffickers. http://techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/
=> ↺ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/03/fake-news-misinformation-mit-study/629396/
=> http://techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/
10:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theatlantic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/03/fake-news-misinformation-mit-study/629396/
10:21 TR Bot; I Shared Fake News About a Fake-News Study - The Atlantic
10:21 TR Bot; Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up Bill Gates Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself | Techrights
10:22 TR News; "video-game developers, rather than professional historians" https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/history-video-games-europa-universalis/622892/
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10:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theatlantic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/history-video-games-europa-universalis/622892/
10:22 TR Bot; What Happens When Kids Get Their History From Video Games? - The Atlantic
10:22 matey; we are of course talking mostly about hacking on bash scripts and maybe compiling a package sometimes, while creating a package is done with an automated tool anybody (even users) can use
10:23 matey; thats what theyre afraid of accidentally getting sucked into
10:23 schestowitz-TR; where are puppy users?
10:23 schestowitz-TR; serious question
10:23 schestowitz-TR; just sounds a little smelly
10:23 matey; theres a forum somewhere
10:23 matey; smelly?
10:23 schestowitz-TR; where in the world?
10:23 schestowitz-TR; demography and rigs
10:23 matey; i mean barry is an aussie
10:24 schestowitz-TR; yes, I know
10:24 schestowitz-TR; but puppy is for low specs
10:24 matey; they have a few brits
10:24 matey; i honestly dont think you get low specs
10:24 schestowitz-TR; but the users?
10:24 matey; low specs are popular all over the world, not just where needed
10:24 schestowitz-TR; puppy is good for weak hardware
10:24 schestowitz-TR; old stuff
10:25 matey; yes but it runs on new stuff
10:25 matey; its based on ubuntu
10:25 schestowitz-TR; yes, but then the reason to choose puppy isn't quite there
10:25 matey; so basically, imagine who would have used lxde when that was a thing
10:25 schestowitz-TR; rianne
10:25 matey; i dont think as many people choose puppy as before
10:25 schestowitz-TR; and me
10:26 matey; it was designed in the era where burning cdrs was the typical way of using a distro-- easyos doesnt even have an iso, its usb only
10:26 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_OS
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10:26 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi OS - Wikipedia
10:26 schestowitz; "Raspberry Pi OS uses a modified LXDE as its desktop environment with the Openbox stacking window manager, along with a unique theme."
10:26 matey; right
10:27 matey; so im wrong that no one uses lxde anymore, obviously
10:27 matey; its news to me
10:27 schestowitz-TR; it is limited but very vewwwy vewwwyw wiiighyweight
10:27 matey; but lots of low end hardware, if puppy runs on it.
10:27 matey; i never tried puppy when i had a pi
10:27 schestowitz-TR; there might be 100 million pies out there
10:27 schestowitz-TR; 50m+
10:27 schestowitz-TR; *pis
10:28 TR News; BillPR (NPR) promoting Gates shares https://text.npr.org/1086790531
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10:28 Alternative link; Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://text.npr.org/1086790531
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10:28 TR Bot; Misinformation is derailing renewable energy projects across the United States
10:29 TR News; "It was a remarkable moment in the war in Europe: President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine gave a 90-minute-long Zoom interview on Sunday to four prominent journalists from Russia" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/27/world/europe/russia-media-zelensky.html
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10:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/27/world/europe/russia-media-zelensky.html
10:29 TR Bot; Zelensky Gives Interview to Russian Journalists. Moscow Orders It Quashed. - The New York Times
10:29 matey; if puppy does run on a pi, and someone showed it to me and it ran a LOT better than raspbian, i wouldnt be surprised at all
10:29 matey; the only distro ive seen that compares to puppy in this way is antix
10:29 matey; also github based
10:29 matey; and apologetic (trollishly so) for geoclue
10:30 matey; but is it ever stupidly fast
10:30 TR News; "In recent years these episodes have risen to an alarming level, with increasing cases of fatal violence." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/20/world/asia/pakistan-blasphemy-religious-violence.html
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10:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/20/world/asia/pakistan-blasphemy-religious-violence.html
10:30 TR Bot; Religion-Fueled Mobs on the Rise Again in Pakistan - The New York Times
10:30 matey; i dont even understand how
10:30 schestowitz-TR; is dsl still a contender?
10:30 schestowitz-TR; was it jim or jwm?
10:31 schestowitz-TR; icewm?
10:31 schestowitz-TR; maybe both?
10:31 schestowitz-TR; UI forgot
10:31 schestowitz-TR; I have an old laptop with it
10:31 schestowitz-TR; 90s laptop
10:31 matey; no, dsl has been tinycore for at least a decade
10:31 matey; more than that
10:31 matey; dsl was john and robert
10:31 matey; robert didnt like johns lack of respect for gpl
10:32 matey; he finally left and created tinycore instead of dsl
10:32 matey; john didnt have the skills robert did
10:32 schestowitz; oops, I meant Joe, not Jim
10:32 schestowitz; JWM (Joe's Window Manager)
10:32 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWM
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10:32 TR Bot; JWM - Wikipedia
10:32 matey; tinycore didnt use jwm, i think puppy still does.
10:33 matey; jwm and rox-desktop (rox-filer)
10:33 matey; dsl used jwm as you seem to be suggesting
10:35 TR News; The banning of Destiny & why Im deleting twitch https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/the-banning-of-destiny-why-i'm-deleting:7 Source: rossmanngroup
=> ↺ https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/the-banning-of-destiny-why-i'm-deleting:7
10:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/the-banning-of-destiny-why-i'm-deleting:7
10:35 TR Bot; The banning of Destiny & why I'm deleting twitch
10:36 TR News; Matt cartoons March 2022 - News https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/matt-cartoons-march-2022/ Source: telegraph
=> ↺ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/matt-cartoons-march-2022/
10:36 TR Bot; Matt cartoons March 2022 - News
10:36 matey; the main thing about jwm is i was editing its xml-based config and thought "you know, i dont think i ever want to do this again"
10:37 matey; something about editing xml-based configs i find depressing. weird, but there it is. its not too hard or anything.
10:37 schestowitz-TR; sounds like a job for a gui
10:37 schestowitz-TR; and not a hard-to-make GUI
10:37 matey; sure but you know how it is with guis
10:37 schestowitz-TR; or dialog
10:37 schestowitz-TR; ncurses
10:37 matey; oh never ncurses, this is puppy
10:37 schestowitz-TR; lots of things that automate the packaging of it
10:37 schestowitz-TR; enter permissible option set
10:38 matey; puppy has redone its gui stuff so many times, i simply cant be bothered
10:38 schestowitz-TR; I did that many times before with my own programs
10:38 matey; nothing ties you to jwm in puppy really, so unless you prefer it, yo ucan just use something else
10:38 matey; i was partial to icewm
10:38 schestowitz-TR; in several languages and frameworks
10:39 TR News; Feudalism https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/28/corporations-are-suppressing-wages-theres-an-easy-fix-for-that/
10:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/28/corporations-are-suppressing-wages-theres-an-easy-fix-for-that/
10:39 TR Bot; Are Suppressing Wages...Theres an Easy Fix for That - CounterPunch.org
10:42 TR News; Donald Biden https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/28/biden-on-putin/
=> ↺ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/28/biden-on-putin/
10:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/28/biden-on-putin/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/28/biden-on-putin/
10:42 TR Bot; on Putin - CounterPunch.org
10:43 TR News; After the fall The old pillars of Russias free press have crumbled, but the journalists who ran those publications carry on. https://meduza.io/en/slides/after-the-fall
=> ↺ https://meduza.io/en/slides/after-the-fall
10:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/slides/after-the-fall
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10:43 TR Bot; NO TITLE
10:44 TR News; "As a purely electronic device, its well outside the realm of conventional musical instruments. Two radio antennas detect the position of the musicians hands to make a unique sound traditionally associated with eeriness or science fiction." https://hackaday.com/2022/03/28/raspberry-pi-creates-melody/
=> ↺ https://hackaday.com/2022/03/28/raspberry-pi-creates-melody/
10:44 TR Bot; Pi Creates Melody | Hackaday
10:45 TR News; "The wildly successful PDP-11 minicomputer was a major influence on the evolution of computing throughout the 1970s" https://hackaday.com/2022/03/28/pdp-11-34-restoration-and-the-virtue-of-persistence/
=> ↺ https://hackaday.com/2022/03/28/pdp-11-34-restoration-and-the-virtue-of-persistence/
10:45 TR Bot; Restoration And The Virtue Of Persistence | Hackaday
10:46 TR News; Hollywood 'owns' the Net now? https://torrentfreak.com/court-denies-coxs-challenge-of-1-billion-music-piracy-verdict-220328/
=> ↺ https://torrentfreak.com/court-denies-coxs-challenge-of-1-billion-music-piracy-verdict-220328/
10:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/court-denies-coxs-challenge-of-1-billion-music-piracy-verdict-220328/
10:46 TR Bot; Denies Cox's Challenge of $1 Billion Music Piracy Verdict * TorrentFreak
10:47 TR News; "A little over a week ago a number of Destiny content creators had DMCA notices filed against their videos on" GulagTube https://torrentfreak.com/bungie-files-lawsuit-to-punish-senders-of-fake-destiny-dmca-notices-220328/
10:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/bungie-files-lawsuit-to-punish-senders-of-fake-destiny-dmca-notices-220328/
10:47 TR Bot; Files Lawsuit to Punish Senders of Fake Destiny DMCA Notices * TorrentFreak
10:49 TR News; Biden asks for more [bailout money for Microsoft] https://truthout.org/articles/biden-asks-congress-for-a-record-breaking-813-billion-in-military-spending/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
=> ↺ https://truthout.org/articles/biden-asks-congress-for-a-record-breaking-813-billion-in-military-spending/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
10:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/biden-asks-congress-for-a-record-breaking-813-billion-in-military-spending/
10:49 TR Bot; Biden Asks Congress for a Record-Breaking $813 Billion in Military Spending
10:49 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
10:51 TR News; US media, owned by oligarchs: let's entertain the masses with reports about collapse of Russian economy (at whose expense???) while our OWN economy is rotting away. Nationalism as the last recourse of failed capitalism.
10:54 TR News; "The chairman of a congressional subcommittee has asked Apple and Gulag to help stop fraud against U.S. taxpayers on Telegram" https://www.propublica.org/article/congressional-chair-asks-google-and-apple-to-help-stop-fraud-against-u-s-taxpayers-on-telegram propublica bags bribes from pervert Bill Gates, so this famous criminal and the criminals from Microsoft are no longer scrutinised by propublica
10:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: propublica.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.propublica.org/article/congressional-chair-asks-google-and-apple-to-help-stop-fraud-against-u-s-taxpayers-on-telegram
10:54 TR Bot; Congressional Chair Asks Google and Apple to Help Stop Fraud Against U.S. Taxpayers on Telegram ProPublica
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10:58 TR News; "Ill give Nintendo this much: the company certainly is an absolute master at enforcing copyright in the most extreme, pettiest manner possible." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/nintendo-hates-you-scans-of-super-mario-64-manual-taken-down-via-copyright-claim/
10:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/nintendo-hates-you-scans-of-super-mario-64-manual-taken-down-via-copyright-claim/
10:58 TR Bot; Hates You: Scans Of Super Mario 64 Manual Taken Down Via Copyright Claim | Techdirt
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 52.68 k/sec., IPFS upstream 68.26 average k/sec., average swarm size 295.83
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11:03 TR News; Read the comments here. EU and EPO became 99% corruption when it comes to patent law. http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/03/23/is-upc-victim-of-a-latent-vice/#comments
=> ↺ http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/03/23/is-upc-victim-of-a-latent-vice/#comments
11:03 TR Bot; Is UPC Victim of a Latent Vice? - Kluwer Patent Blog
11:05 TR News; Gulag kills things, including the Web. "The Feedburner Twitter account is inactive and recommends that people Tweet at Google instead. It seems that Google wants to get rid of the service and random 404s probably arent a high priority for them." https://etbe.coker.com.au/2022/03/29/feedburner-dying/
=> ↺ https://etbe.coker.com.au/2022/03/29/feedburner-dying/
11:05 TR Bot; Feedburner Seems to be Dying etbe - Russell Coker
11:10 *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@tqegvjsx7fdka.irc) has joined #techrights
11:11 DaemonFC; I hate Reddit.
11:11 DaemonFC; "This app has unlimited dogs." You have to click "No thanks, I don't like dogs.".
11:11 DaemonFC; Then it does the same thing about cats, and that time it says "Continue in browser.".
11:12 DaemonFC; US media, owned by oligarchs: let's entertain the masses with reports about collapse of Russian economy (at whose expense???) while our OWN economy is rotting away. Nationalism as the last recourse of failed capitalism.
11:12 DaemonFC; schestowitz, Robert Reich is pennin op-eds in the grauniad.
11:13 DaemonFC; Stallman links to those too.
11:13 DaemonFC; This time he's saying the Fed shouldn't raise rates from zero because it won't slow down inflation.
11:13 DaemonFC; The only point of keeping rates at zero is to give large companies taxpayer-funded debt to do share buybacks with to make the economy look like it's growing.
11:14 DaemonFC; It has absolutely nothing to do with employment levels. They fire people even now.
11:14 DaemonFC; Interest rate hikes have little to do with the business cycle. If anything, they're so low they create moral hazards, like the buybacks.
11:17 schestowitz-TR; [11:13] The only point of keeping rates at zero is to give large companies taxpayer-funded debt to do share buybacks with to make the economy look like it's growing.
11:17 schestowitz-TR; yes!]
11:17 schestowitz-TR; savers' accounts looted
11:17 schestowitz-TR; by just sitting there
11:17 schestowitz-TR; losing value
11:17 schestowitz-TR; worse:
11:18 schestowitz-TR; they could be diverted into "the stock market"
11:18 schestowitz-TR; until it's epic collapse
11:18 DaemonFC; The Fed is raising rates. I think it will slow down inflation because it's going to billionaires to build yachts the size of the Sears Tower.
11:18 schestowitz-TR; only inside-trading frauds will know where to quit and cash in
11:19 schestowitz-TR; US has a phantom economy
11:19 schestowitz-TR; and has for decades
11:19 schestowitz-TR; it's all borrowings
11:19 schestowitz-TR; UK economy like all others suffers also
11:19 schestowitz-TR; but not to the same degree
11:19 schestowitz-TR; we don't have millions living in the streets
11:20 schestowitz-TR; [10:51] US media, owned by oligarchs: let's entertain the masses with reports about collapse of Russian economy (at whose expense???) while our OWN economy is rotting away. Nationalism as the last recourse of failed capitalism.
11:20 DaemonFC; Boris.....
11:20 DaemonFC; Former American....quit due to IRS.
11:21 DaemonFC; 10 point plan to making spiking the homeless look humane by comparison.
11:22 TR News; "Trumps Truth Social is having getting users to actually use the platform" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/trumpists-admit-that-their-own-social-media-platforms-arent-much-fun-when-they-cant-use-them-to-own-the-libs/
11:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/trumpists-admit-that-their-own-social-media-platforms-arent-much-fun-when-they-cant-use-them-to-own-the-libs/
11:22 TR Bot; Admit That Their Own Social Media Platforms Arent Much Fun When They Cant Use Them To Own The Libs | Techdirt
11:23 DaemonFC; One reason both countries like propping up Ukraine is because they can give them a bunch of missiles that were aging and then dump money into replacing the stockpile.
11:23 DaemonFC; Meanwhile, the older ones are blowing up Russians.
11:23 DaemonFC; For a politician, nothing to lose there.
11:24 TR News; "Dozens of prominent figures from the world of entertainment have come together to support hip hop artist and political campaigner Lowkey, after he was subject to a smear campaign and an attempt to remove his work from music streaming platform Spotify." https://www.mintpressnews.com/michael-malarkey-styles-p-wretch32-fredwreck-among-stars-condemning-israel-lobbys-attempt-cancel-lowkey/280098/
11:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mintpressnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.mintpressnews.com/michael-malarkey-styles-p-wretch32-fredwreck-among-stars-condemning-israel-lobbys-attempt-cancel-lowkey/280098/
11:24 TR Bot; Michael Malarkey, Styles P, Wretch32 & FredWreck among stars condemning Israel Lobbys Attempt to Cancel Lowkey
11:24 DaemonFC; At least the mayor of San Francisco has the right name for what she's up to. "London"
11:25 TR News; Cars are corrosive to freedom. They used to be marketed as tools of independence and emancipation. Not the "new" cars. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/eff-investigation-mystery-gps-tracker-supporters-car
=> ↺ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/eff-investigation-mystery-gps-tracker-supporters-car
11:25 TR Bot; An EFF Investigation: Mystery GPS Tracker On A Supporters Car | Electronic Frontier Foundation
11:26 DaemonFC; I drove over a curb this morning in the dark.
11:26 DaemonFC; I pulled over at the Mobil station to fill up because all the other stations are spiking 30 cents a gallon.
11:27 TR News; Social CONTROL Media https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-files-foia-lawsuit-against-dhs-shed-light-vetting-program-collect-and-data-mine
11:27 TR Bot; EFF Files FOIA Lawsuit Against DHS to Shed Light on Vetting Program to Collect and Data Mine Immigrants' Social Media | Electronic Frontier Foundation
11:27 DaemonFC; Looked it over, didn't see any damage. The car still handles fine.
11:27 DaemonFC; They put those stupid curbs everywhere even when there's no reason to.
11:27 DaemonFC; In the middle of the road even.
11:28 DaemonFC; They think it helps avoid accidents, but then people just go ahead and drive over them anyway, deliberately.
11:28 schestowitz-TR; it makes the roads smaller
11:28 DaemonFC; I'm glad I didn't blow a tire.
11:28 DaemonFC; Fuckers
11:28 DaemonFC; I hate living in a city. Everything is so cramped.
11:29 DaemonFC; Oh here's an empty state. Quick! Everyone! Pile into 1 county!
11:29 DaemonFC; Pay $2,500 for a studio!
11:29 DaemonFC; Get shot for your wallet!
11:29 DaemonFC; Nowhere to park!
11:29 DaemonFC; It'll be FUN!
11:30 DaemonFC; If you don't, you're missing out! People GET IT! - Mr. GOOOOOOOOOLAG
11:30 TR News; Bailouts for Microsoft https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/we-do-not-need-massive-increase-sanders-criticizes-bidens-813-billion-military see http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
=> ↺ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/we-do-not-need-massive-increase-sanders-criticizes-bidens-813-billion-military
=> http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
11:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/we-do-not-need-massive-increase-sanders-criticizes-bidens-813-billion-military
11:30 TR Bot; 'We Do Not Need a Massive Increase': Sanders Criticizes Biden's $813 Billion Military Budget
11:30 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
11:31 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Looks like John found himself a roommate and moved next to the sound in Seattle.
11:31 DaemonFC; My guess is that after they fired him he had to take a lower wage somewhere else.
11:31 DaemonFC; Didn't want to leave the area.
11:31 schestowitz-TR; Seattle, eh?
11:31 schestowitz-TR; do they swap CP?
11:31 DaemonFC; Probably.
11:31 schestowitz-TR; Rick Allen John
11:32 DaemonFC; Well, they've been solving cases the same way around these parts as Rick Jones.
11:32 DaemonFC; I saw it in the news the other day.
11:33 DaemonFC; They busted a guy in McHenry for CP because an "unnamed Internet Service Provider" reported him to the NCMEC, and they contacted the police department.
11:33 DaemonFC; Unnamed ISP could mean anything, but probably Apple or Google.
11:33 DaemonFC; They said they found it on his phone. So there's a hint.
11:34 schestowitz-TR; maybe he used the phone to hook up witn rich people
11:34 schestowitz-TR; rich allen jones
11:34 schestowitz-TR; "rich" people... wink wink
11:34 schestowitz-TR; touch nose
11:34 DaemonFC; Both scour your Clown storage looking for it, and the phones make backups of pictures and videos by default.
11:35 DaemonFC; And Apple says they plan to add the scanner "later".
11:35 DaemonFC; Of course, they can add it whenever they want. You won't know.
11:35 schestowitz-TR; so techrights has lots of work to do
11:35 schestowitz-TR; exposing what tech is becoming
11:35 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: rremember that in some countries illegal content is stuff like tibet
11:35 schestowitz-TR; or flags of taiwan
11:35 DaemonFC; As soon as anything hits your hard drive in Windows, Microsoft knows what it is.
11:35 schestowitz-TR; apple bowed down
11:36 DaemonFC; That also means they know for sure who is "pirating" software, and which software.
11:36 schestowitz-TR; IF
11:36 DaemonFC; And since you have to log in with a Microsoft account, they know whose account it is as well.
11:36 schestowitz-TR; IF they get their way
11:36 schestowitz-TR; if we inform people
11:36 schestowitz-TR; then they wioll walk away
11:36 schestowitz-TR; china made phones that suppress speech
11:36 schestowitz-TR; like, if you criticise the regime
11:36 schestowitz-TR; it's turned off in the european market
11:36 schestowitz-TR; for now
11:36 DaemonFC; mjg59_ is to programmers what the Wagner Group is to Putin.
11:37 DaemonFC; But he acts like he does Free Software.
11:37 schestowitz-TR; of course "piracy" and CP and "|terrorism" are straw men here
11:37 schestowitz-TR; it's about control
11:37 DaemonFC; He's a mercenary for the deep state.
11:37 schestowitz-TR; and they call you stuff if you express dissent
11:37 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: free software like CCTV 'doorbell'
11:38 schestowitz-TR; a CCTV in every home
11:38 schestowitz-TR; orwell (blair) called them telescreens?
11:38 DaemonFC; "Microsoft is securing the PC" < Motherfucker please! Kiss my ass. They can't even secure their own networks and source code repos.
11:38 DaemonFC; You think they're securing your laptop?
11:38 DaemonFC; :)
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11:39 TR News; "Russia's draconian censorship tactics must stop." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/free-press-advocates-demand-end-russian-censorship-last-independent-paper-closes
11:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/free-press-advocates-demand-end-russian-censorship-last-independent-paper-closes
11:39 TR Bot; Free Press Advocates Demand End to Russian Censorship as Last Independent Paper Closes
11:40 DaemonFC; Now he's microsplogging about the Plutocrat chip that Microsoft and AMD are putting in.
11:41 DaemonFC; The only reason these things are there is to create a "protected data path" to help your computer betray you by hiding what it is doing.
11:42 schestowitz-TR; yes
11:42 schestowitz-TR; Pluton-crat
11:42 schestowitz-TR; you pay to borrow
11:42 schestowitz-TR; 'your' laptop
11:43 TR News; "The lawsuit, filed in the U.S. District Court in San Francisco, seeks records on the current status of the program" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/public-has-right-know-how-dhs-spending-millions-spy-immigrants-social-media
11:43 TR Bot; The Public Has a Right to Know How DHS is Spending Millionsto Spy on Immigrants on Social Media | Electronic Frontier Foundation
11:43 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Breed#Housing_and_homelessness
=> ↺ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Breed#Housing_and_homelessness
11:43 TR Bot; London Breed - Wikipedia
11:44 DaemonFC; Breed created a task force of members of the San Francisco Department of Public Works to clean up feces from city sidewalks, known as a Poop Patrol.[53][54]
11:44 DaemonFC; :)
11:44 DaemonFC; mjg59_, "I love San Francisco!" "People here get it!"
11:44 DaemonFC; They get human shit on their shoes.
11:44 DaemonFC; And all for the low low cost of triple the national average cost of living.
11:45 DaemonFC; https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jimdalrympleii/san-francisco-poop-patrol-street-clean-up
=> ↺ https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jimdalrympleii/san-francisco-poop-patrol-street-clean-up
11:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: buzzfeednews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jimdalrympleii/san-francisco-poop-patrol-street-clean-up
11:45 TR Bot; A "Poop Patrol" Is Going To Start Cleaning Feces Off San Francisco's Filthy Sidewalks
11:45 TR News; Patents kill. Because it iis profitable. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/covid-19-vaccine-apartheid-exacerbating-global-inequalities-un
11:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/covid-19-vaccine-apartheid-exacerbating-global-inequalities-un
11:45 TR Bot; Covid-19 Vaccine Apartheid Is Exacerbating Global Inequalities: UN
11:45 DaemonFC; "The scope of the problem is staggering. According to data from the public works department, requests for feces-related steam cleaning have been steadily increasing in recent years, hitting a high of 16,473 in 2017. So far this year, there have already been 9,735 feces-related steamer requests more than the city received during the entirety of 2015."
11:46 DaemonFC; That was before COVID.
11:47 DaemonFC; 16,473 request tickets filed over individual piles of human shit on the sidewalk in 2017.
11:47 DaemonFC; So you know there was more, and this is how many people got on an app and complained about.
11:48 *bnchs (~bnchs@rpt27srzpmtni.irc) has joined #techrights
11:48 bnchs; pluton is meant for more control
11:48 bnchs; soon the laptops will be thin clients to the "cloud"
11:49 bnchs; like chromebooks
11:49 schestowitz-TR; so they hope...
11:49 schestowitz-TR; so we need to fight back
11:49 schestowitz-TR; and maintain demand for real computers
11:49 schestowitz-TR; btw
11:49 schestowitz-TR; all those thin clients
11:49 schestowitz-TR; they run modern gnu/linux distros OK
11:49 schestowitz-TR; and have enough storage
11:49 schestowitz-TR; so you look at low-cost high-end
11:49 schestowitz-TR; just need to make sure you can change/wipe them
11:49 schestowitz-TR; the companies try to make it harder
11:50 DaemonFC; "The GOOLAG engineer left his $4,500 a month micro-apartment, stepped in a pile of homeless shit, and then made his way to the cafe on the end of his street for $30 bagel and coffee.....'At least I don't live in Indiana!", he said, as if trying to convince himself."
11:50 schestowitz-TR; like having to open the device (voiding warrantee) to mess around with screws
11:50 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: i like to imagine about the thin client future
11:50 bnchs; imagine doing wrongthink
11:50 DaemonFC; "On his way back, he got mugged and witnessed yet another attack on an Asian woman..... 'At least it's not Texas!' he said under his breath."
11:50 bnchs; and your files gets locked away
11:51 bnchs; and OS deleted
11:51 schestowitz-TR; wait
11:51 schestowitz-TR; imagine?
11:51 schestowitz-TR; it happened
11:51 schestowitz-TR; many times
11:51 bnchs; yeah i know
11:51 schestowitz-TR; OS deleted not yet
11:51 bnchs; but what if it was a thin client
11:51 schestowitz-TR; but that might be next
11:51 schestowitz-TR; but the OS is not en enablement tool
11:51 schestowitz-TR; better keep it on
11:51 schestowitz-TR; to spy on the wrongthinker
11:51 bnchs; they can brick your computer and fuck up your data
11:51 DaemonFC; "He stepped in shit again, sighed, and filed a steam cleaning request on his app."
11:51 bnchs; yeah thats also a pro
11:52 bnchs; they can also look at your files
11:52 bnchs; without having to sneak malware
11:52 bnchs; or bullshit
11:52 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: there will be a massive pushback
11:52 schestowitz-TR; also, the companies that do this rely on a collapsing economy
11:52 schestowitz-TR; and they can go under
11:52 schestowitz-TR; like other clown companies did before them
11:52 schestowitz-TR; we just need to buy time
11:52 schestowitz-TR; and call out the culprits
11:52 bnchs; yeah
11:52 schestowitz-TR; not in social control media
11:52 schestowitz-TR; they control that
11:53 bnchs; they're trying to normalize it first
11:53 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Jamie Zawinski checked out the Amazon "feature" that lets you request the data they admit to having on you.
11:53 schestowitz-TR; they suppress/censor/hide it
11:53 DaemonFC; It's hundreds of ZIP files, with individual links.
11:53 bnchs; normalize it first
11:53 bnchs; then go with the plan
11:53 schestowitz-TR; if they succeed
11:53 schestowitz-TR; they lose tons opf money
11:53 DaemonFC; And they contain thousands of CSV files.
11:53 schestowitz-TR; i think aws is the only one that became profitable
11:53 schestowitz-TR; the rest are a bubble
11:53 DaemonFC; They've done it in such a way that nobody will bother.
11:54 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, AWS collapses and takes out "half the Web"....
11:54 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: someone asked a question for how to find powerful servers
11:54 DaemonFC; Much like the rest.
11:54 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: good!
11:54 bnchs; for processing data
11:54 schestowitz-TR; don't get me excited!
11:54 schestowitz-TR; I'm not ready yet
11:54 bnchs; and someone answered with "just buy a tablet"
11:54 bnchs; "and a VPS/cloud server"
11:54 schestowitz-TR; clown server
11:54 schestowitz-TR; does it come with elephants and monkeys?
11:55 schestowitz-TR; and a lady that walks a tightrope?
11:55 DaemonFC; Just buy an iPad and then you too can be stuck watching hours and hours of YouTube commercials because nothing that blocks ads can access it.
11:55 bnchs; this is an answer for a question to how to find powerful computers
11:55 schestowitz-TR; we'll post many videos and stuff that confront this vision
11:55 schestowitz-TR; "every litle helps..."
11:56 bnchs; yeah
11:56 bnchs; theres disservices like whatsapp
11:57 bnchs; that doesnt even let you locally backup
11:57 TR News; "U.S. regulatory enforcement and punishment for companies that rip consumers off with sneaky fees is not what youd call consistent." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/dc-ag-sues-grubhub-for-sneaky-fees-screwing-over-local-restaurants/
11:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/dc-ag-sues-grubhub-for-sneaky-fees-screwing-over-local-restaurants/
11:57 TR Bot; AG Sues Grubhub For Sneaky Fees, Screwing Over Local Restaurants | Techdirt
11:57 bnchs; its just backup to the cloud (unencrypted btw)
11:57 bnchs; clown*
11:58 TR News; Patents kill. Rich sociopaths use the patents to profit from the deaths. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/global-leaders-urge-nations-eschew-weakened-trips-waiver-proposal
11:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/global-leaders-urge-nations-eschew-weakened-trips-waiver-proposal
11:58 TR Bot; Global Leaders Urge Nations to Eschew 'Weakened' TRIPS Waiver Proposal
11:58 TR News; "The proposal looks simple enough. A huge portion of the regulations we all live by (such as fire safety codes, or the national electrical code) are initially written -- by industry experts" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/pro-codes-act-wolf-sheeps-clothing
=> ↺ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/pro-codes-act-wolf-sheeps-clothing
11:58 TR Bot; The Pro Codes Act Is a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing | Electronic Frontier Foundation
11:59 bnchs; theres disservices that dont even let you backup locally
11:59 bnchs; including iOS
11:59 TR News; "It seems that each week another ridiculously unconstitutional content moderation bill pops up in another state. Beyond the fact that nearly all of these bills are preempted by federal law" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/apparently-unwilling-to-learn-from-florida-texass-failures-georgia-moves-forward-with-unconstitutional-content-moderation-bill/
11:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/apparently-unwilling-to-learn-from-florida-texass-failures-georgia-moves-forward-with-unconstitutional-content-moderation-bill/
11:59 TR Bot; Unwilling To Learn From Florida & Texass Failures, Georgia Moves Forward With Unconstitutional Content Moderation Bill | Techdirt
11:59 DaemonFC; "San Francisco faces a "challenging street population," Gordon said, adding that officials have rolled out several programs to deal with it. One program, called Pit Stop, has placed 22 staffed public toilets around the city."
11:59 DaemonFC; LOL
11:59 DaemonFC; Challenging street population.
11:59 DaemonFC; That's....wow.
11:59 TR News; "The FBI owes its oversight and the public the oversight serves plenty of answers. But lets set our expectations any higher than reality dictates" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/house-judiciary-committee-wants-the-fbi-to-explain-why-it-keeps-targeting-journalists-religious-groups-and-politicians/
11:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/house-judiciary-committee-wants-the-fbi-to-explain-why-it-keeps-targeting-journalists-religious-groups-and-politicians/
11:59 TR Bot; Judiciary Committee Wants The FBI To Explain Why It Keeps Targeting Journalists, Religious Groups, And Politicians | Techdirt
12:00 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, San Francisco no longer has homeless. They have a challenging street population.
12:01 schestowitz-TR; everyone in SF is a dick
12:01 schestowitz-TR; problem solved
12:01 schestowitz-TR; and everyone in SF is alsoa pussy
12:01 schestowitz-TR; from what I gather, the original SF residents left
12:02 schestowitz-TR; the industry wiped out the place
12:02 schestowitz-TR; and now you end up with pentagon valley
12:02 schestowitz-TR; and people like mozilla's ceo with more than $3,000,000 in annual salary
12:02 schestowitz-TR; while the country is over 30 trillion dollars in national debt
12:02 schestowitz-TR; not even counting personal debt
12:02 schestowitz-TR; it'll collapse like USSR
12:02 schestowitz-TR; maybe by 2025
12:03 schestowitz-TR; of course it won't be portrayed as such
12:03 schestowitz-TR; as they'd rather walk into wars
12:03 schestowitz-TR; meanwhile china is still rising
12:03 schestowitz-TR; and the PC I bought is made in China
12:03 schestowitz-TR; like my dad said yesterday, a lot of the capital goes to china now
12:03 schestowitz-TR; not the US brands
12:03 schestowitz-TR; there's a deceit associated with that
12:04 schestowitz-TR; china still seems more as it distributes the money among 1.5 billion heads
12:04 schestowitz-TR; US is already over
12:04 schestowitz-TR; ask most americans how they're doing
12:04 schestowitz-TR; they might say they still pay some mortgage
12:04 schestowitz-TR; if youi can speak to them
12:04 schestowitz-TR; if they live in a van it's harder to reach them
12:04 schestowitz-TR; [12:00] schestowitz-TR, San Francisco no longer has homeless. They have a challenging street population.
12:05 schestowitz-TR; they became "challenging street population"
12:05 schestowitz-TR; in a home that needs gas to move
12:05 schestowitz-TR; and gas is expensive, you know
12:05 schestowitz-TR; better poop on the pavement
12:05 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Homeless people living in a van have been an issue here and at the motel.
12:05 schestowitz-TR; a well known issue here with travellers
12:05 schestowitz-TR; "gypsies"
12:05 schestowitz-TR; in vans
12:05 DaemonFC; I didn't report them to anyone because that would just be kicking a guy while he's down.
12:05 schestowitz-TR; they're not ethnic "gypsies"
12:06 schestowitz-TR; the term here means trravellers
12:06 schestowitz-TR; they leave their poop behind
12:06 DaemonFC; It's not like the state of Illinois is going to help them. If anything, they'd take the kids away.
12:06 DaemonFC; Put them in some awful foster house.
12:06 schestowitz-TR; it's not their fauls
12:06 schestowitz-TR; the economy is failing them
12:06 schestowitz-TR; but hey
12:07 schestowitz-TR; at least unemployement is all-time low ;-) ;-)
12:07 schestowitz-TR; "never been better"
12:07 DaemonFC; People buy old U-Haul vans and convert them with dining tables and beds and stuff.
12:07 schestowitz-TR; see NYSE/NASDAQ
12:07 schestowitz-TR; NYSE/NASDAQ makes them smile
12:07 schestowitz-TR; when they watch the CRT
12:07 DaemonFC; The boob tube.
12:07 schestowitz-TR; we don't have food until Friday... but at least NYSE/NASDAQ is up today
12:07 DaemonFC; The idiot's lantern.
12:08 schestowitz-TR; near manilla some people live in the graveyard
12:08 schestowitz-TR; they turn tombs into shacks
12:08 schestowitz-TR; and some of them are lucky to have antenna with reception
12:08 schestowitz-TR; abs/cbn among the corpses
12:08 schestowitz-TR; "look at me now!!"
12:10 DaemonFC; https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/641152/why-is-television-called-boob-tube
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12:10 TR Bot; Why Is TV Called the 'Boob Tube'?
12:10 DaemonFC; Today the "vast wasteland" of ads and shit is YouTube.
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12:10 bnchs; yeah
12:10 bnchs; fewer good content on youtube
12:10 bnchs; its just soulless boring videos
12:13 DaemonFC; The iPad and iPhone are the 21st century boob tube.
12:13 DaemonFC; Same effect.
12:14 DaemonFC; People just sitting there decaying, watching an endless procession of ads and horseshit.
12:15 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Mandy was upset that I wasn't cooking larger portions of meat in the slow cooker. I said "It's meant to be served on top of rice. Besides, you hate leftovers and I'm constantly having to nag you to take the rest of it to work, even when you LIKED dinner!"
12:15 DaemonFC; He really has gone native.
12:16 DaemonFC; "COOK MORE!" Why? "SO IT CAN ROT IN THE FRIDGE! I'LL BE OVER HERE WITH MY IPHONE!"
12:16 bnchs; "cook moar"
12:16 bnchs; americans really do be like this
12:17 DaemonFC; I heard a figure that people waste about $300-600 worth of groceries, per year, per person here.
12:17 DaemonFC; Unbelievable.
12:17 DaemonFC; They work for 1-2 weeks just to let the food they buy go bad.
12:17 schestowitz-TR; [12:10] fewer good content on youtube
12:17 schestowitz-TR; remember this:
12:17 schestowitz-TR; GOOD content
12:17 schestowitz-TR; means
12:17 schestowitz-TR; NOT profitable
12:17 schestowitz-TR; SHIT means MONEY
12:18 schestowitz-TR; Gulag wants to actually profit from all this 'free' hosting
12:18 schestowitz-TR; vimeo now charges $10,000 or more
12:18 schestowitz-TR; terrible biz mode
12:18 DaemonFC; The reason why there's nothing good on, on Netflix or much else, is because good writing and good acting and good production value costs MONEY.
12:18 schestowitz-TR; as it's a surprise
12:18 schestowitz-TR; they entrapped many firms and people
12:18 DaemonFC; If you can fill up your time slots with things that cost little money and draw people in who are susceptible to advertising, you get better returns.
12:19 DaemonFC; So that's what you do.
12:19 bnchs; its like the creators sold out their soul to sponsors
12:19 DaemonFC; Whenever PBS puts some shows on, with rare exception, it's stuff they licensed from foreign public TV networks, like CBC and BBC.
12:20 bnchs; sometimes the sponsors have strict rules
12:20 DaemonFC; It's because PBS has been picked clean by the Republicans.
12:20 bnchs; so it makes the creator selfcensor a ton
12:20 DaemonFC; They even had to have HBO bail out Sesame Street.
12:20 DaemonFC; Which is the longest running children's show in America, and used to be very educational.
12:20 DaemonFC; I mean, they even touched some things that were really heavy for kids, like death.
12:21 DaemonFC; When the actor for Mr. Hooper died, they didn't write him off as having moved away or something, the character was dead and they talked about grief and loss.
12:21 bnchs; and divorce?
12:22 bnchs; DaemonFC: i think thats better
12:22 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuffy's_Parents_Get_a_Divorce
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12:22 TR Bot; Snuffy's Parents Get a Divorce - Wikipedia
12:22 bnchs; its better to tell people that the character died
12:22 DaemonFC; "It never aired."
12:22 DaemonFC; Yeah, divorce is a problem.
12:22 DaemonFC; Adam Ruins Everything tried to portray it as good because it's convenient.
12:23 DaemonFC; Anything "convenient" is necessarily "good" now, and that's why society falls apart. One big reason, anyway.
12:23 bnchs; lol
12:23 DaemonFC; If you don't want to make dinner, nuke some burritos.
12:23 bnchs; portaying everyone convenient as good
12:23 bnchs; everything*
12:23 DaemonFC; If you don't want to stay with the person you had kids with, get a divorce!
12:23 bnchs; thats why we have social control media
12:23 bnchs; the clown
12:23 DaemonFC; Who cares what you fuck up? Who you fuck up!
12:23 DaemonFC; Just do whatever you want!
12:23 bnchs; and computers with locked bootlosder
12:23 DaemonFC; Get on Grindr....stop brushing your teeth.
12:24 DaemonFC; It's bad for you, but that's probably months or years away!
12:24 DaemonFC; Nothing is "wrong" anymore.
12:24 bnchs; the best way to get people using something
12:24 DaemonFC; Don't you know that nobody likes a party pooper?
12:24 bnchs; is to make it convenient
12:25 schestowitz-TR; and
12:25 bnchs; nobody wants to make effort
12:25 schestowitz-TR; addictive
12:25 schestowitz-TR; so they have withdrawal symptoms
12:25 bnchs; they only want short-term pleasure
12:25 schestowitz-TR; psychological tricks
12:25 DaemonFC; Like Mandy.
12:25 schestowitz-TR; preying on insecureities
12:25 schestowitz-TR; your friends in FB are waiting
12:25 DaemonFC; Burying himself in the room, sleeping all day and playing with a phone.
12:25 schestowitz-TR; they worry you are a loser
12:25 schestowitz-TR; go back there
12:25 schestowitz-TR; show them disneyworld pics
12:25 DaemonFC; Like, who the fuck cares what happens in a game you tap on and watch ads to "grind"?
12:26 schestowitz-TR; fomo is another one
12:26 DaemonFC; Who is entertained by this?
12:26 DaemonFC; Honestly.
12:26 schestowitz-TR; different, but also addiction-based
12:26 schestowitz-TR; they hire psych*ists
12:26 schestowitz-TR; to learn how to keep the users hooks
12:26 schestowitz-TR; or course those -ists were trained to do the OPPOSITE
12:26 schestowitz-TR; like get people OFF rhew wagon
12:26 schestowitz-TR; FB hires them to get people ON the WAGON and STAY there
12:27 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I doubt Jewel-Osco needs many psychiatrists, but I'm sure they have them. Grocery stores are like anything else, they want to "optimize the business".
12:27 schestowitz-TR; [12:25] Burying himself in the room, sleeping all day and playing with a phone.
12:27 DaemonFC; But the place is almost worth spending the money because they stock their shelves and clean their stores. Walmart is a disaster.
12:27 schestowitz-TR; the important thing is that occasionalyl he leaves
12:27 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: they even do deals with ISPs
12:27 schestowitz-TR; to work for rich people
12:27 schestowitz-TR; (waltonm)
12:27 schestowitz-TR; and become a consumer
12:27 bnchs; you know
12:27 bnchs; free facebook access!*
12:27 schestowitz-TR; i.e. use the money from the walton to return it to them
12:27 bnchs; *advertisment money
12:28 schestowitz-TR; by buying "sweatshop stuff"
12:28 schestowitz-TR; which neither creates US joibs
12:28 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, "Feeding the beast that kills you!"
12:28 schestowitz-TR; nor gives a fair share to the labour pool
12:28 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: yes
12:28 schestowitz-TR; it'a a vicious cycle
12:29 schestowitz-TR; that's why rianne and I consume so little
12:29 schestowitz-TR; we reckon lowering the tax is one way not to feed the beast
12:29 schestowitz-TR; and if the beasts hates you, good
12:29 schestowitz-TR; they will try to insult you
12:29 schestowitz-TR; laugh at it
12:30 schestowitz-TR; [12:27] free facebook access!*
12:30 schestowitz-TR; zero-rating
12:30 schestowitz-TR; they own you
12:30 DaemonFC; Robert Reich (Stallman's favorite....) says "Consumers are flush with cash!".
12:30 schestowitz-TR; recih isn't too bad
12:30 DaemonFC; The same phrase and wording that appears in dozens or hundreds of places now.
12:30 schestowitz-TR; btw, he dated hillary clinton
12:30 schestowitz-TR; ages ago
12:30 schestowitz-TR; the problem is that he writes for bill's rag now
12:30 schestowitz-TR; maybe he likes working for "rich people"
12:31 DaemonFC; Most people are not flush with cash. They're unemployed or underemployed.
12:31 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: wait
12:31 DaemonFC; My mother is now underemployed thanks to the Catholic Church bungling their budget.
12:31 schestowitz-TR; wheck where reichj lives
12:31 schestowitz-TR; prob. n ee england
12:31 schestowitz-TR; the nicer parts of new england
12:31 schestowitz-TR; you cannot hang around boston in a van or tent
12:31 schestowitz-TR; far too cold
12:32 DaemonFC; Sure you can.
12:32 schestowitz-TR; so he might be seeing a fictional version of the country
12:32 DaemonFC; People idle their van for head.
12:32 schestowitz-TR; "robert, where should I invest my money"
12:32 DaemonFC; *heat
12:32 schestowitz-TR; robert: "well, there's this mutual fund thing that can furnish your pension"
12:32 schestowitz-TR; how many USians truly have a pension?
12:32 DaemonFC; Robert Reich just repeats the party line.
12:32 schestowitz-TR; with health covered too?
12:32 DaemonFC; Low unemployment, consumers flush with cash....
12:33 schestowitz-TR; hahah
12:33 schestowitz-TR; yes, like 22 million US millioanures
12:33 DaemonFC; He actually thinks that we're seeing demand pull inflation.
12:33 schestowitz-TR; which leaves 310 million americans they 'eat'
12:33 DaemonFC; He's delusional.
12:33 schestowitz-TR; or rent homes to
12:33 schestowitz-TR; for money
12:33 schestowitz-TR; or for sex
12:33 DaemonFC; But then in the same article, he acknowledges that companies raise prices "because they can".
12:33 DaemonFC; Which is not inflation.
12:33 schestowitz-TR; right
12:33 DaemonFC; It's predatory pricing.
12:33 schestowitz-TR; it's bingeing
12:34 schestowitz-TR; as pointed out elsewhere
12:34 schestowitz-TR; it's cartel-like price0fixing
12:34 schestowitz-TR; and sleepy is alsee at the wheel
12:34 schestowitz-TR; too busy touring poland with nuclear code man
12:34 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, The Tyson and Perdue chicken companies settled two major lawsuits recently.
12:34 DaemonFC; One, that they were conspiring to charge low prices to chicken growers.
12:34 schestowitz-TR; in case he want to launch some nukes at $otherCountry
12:34 DaemonFC; Then another one that they were conspiring to gouge customers at the grocery store for the chicken.
12:35 DaemonFC; *errr,,, pay low prices to producers, that is.
12:35 schestowitz-TR; we only buy discounted
12:35 DaemonFC; So they were driving down their costs, and then price fixing at the store.
12:35 DaemonFC; To gouge.
12:35 schestowitz-TR; or mostly, where mostly means 80% or more
12:35 DaemonFC; They made HUGE profit this way.
12:35 schestowitz-TR; it's a "life hack"
12:35 schestowitz-TR; just need to memorise and adapt (where, when)
12:35 DaemonFC; Hillary Clinton has a history with Tyson.
12:36 DaemonFC; They were involved in a bribery scandal when Bill was Governor of Arkansas.
12:36 schestowitz-TR; energy companies too
12:36 schestowitz-TR; they have record profits
12:36 DaemonFC; And Walmart.
12:36 schestowitz-TR; and they RAISE prices
12:36 schestowitz-TR; but Russia "something"...
12:36 DaemonFC; Hillary was there when Walmart was under fire for their "Kathy Lee Gifford" collection of handbags, which were made by child slave labor.
12:37 schestowitz-TR; Hillary
12:37 schestowitz-TR; the date of Robert
12:37 schestowitz-TR; Reich
12:37 DaemonFC; She was asked in a confirmation hearing once what she ever did for workers at Walmart, and she couldn't name anything.
12:37 schestowitz-TR; they want to the movie
12:37 schestowitz-TR; he says she asked for CHEESE on her popcorn
12:37 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: CHEESE!
12:37 schestowitz-TR; on the popcorn!
12:37 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Not many people truly appreciate classic South Park.
12:37 bnchs; cheese on the popcorn?
12:37 schestowitz-TR; yeah
12:37 bnchs; wow
12:37 DaemonFC; The Kathy Lee Gifford one and the Mecha Streisand were two of my favorites.
12:37 schestowitz-TR; when robert reich and clinton went ona date
12:37 schestowitz-TR; he blogged about it
12:38 bnchs; americans
12:38 schestowitz-TR; not fatty enough
12:38 schestowitz-TR; "MOAR CHHHHHHHHHSSEEEE!"
12:38 DaemonFC; They went after Hillary too, but by that point it was just stupid.
12:38 DaemonFC; They could have really roasted Hillary, but they didn't. The whole episode was about a nuclear weapon in her vagina.
12:38 DaemonFC; It was terrible.
12:39 bnchs; gotta need my daily unhealthy cholesterol
12:39 bnchs; put cheese on everything
12:39 DaemonFC; South Park ran its course a long time ago.
12:40 DaemonFC; I'm surprised it's even on at all though.
12:40 bnchs; was the guy on the intro playing a banjo or a guitar?
12:40 DaemonFC; Cancel Culture has been after anything that's even slightly funny.
12:41 DaemonFC; And it comes on after The Daily Show, which Trevor Noah took over and ruined. He turned it from satirical comedy to Black Grievance Hour.
12:41 DaemonFC; put cheese on everything
12:41 DaemonFC; You forgot bacon. I demand a refund.
12:42 DaemonFC; And this half pound burger is supposed to be 3/4 of a pound.
12:42 DaemonFC; So expect to hear from my attorney!
12:42 DaemonFC; Also, I said EXTRA mayo, EXTRA!!!!!
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12:43 DaemonFC; I'm glad there's no Hardee's around here.
12:43 DaemonFC; I went downstate to get my COVID shot and I was early and there was a Hardee's next door.
12:44 DaemonFC; Next thing I knew, I was eating a 3/4 pound mushroom and swiss burger on sourdough and a large order of fries.
12:44 DaemonFC; I don't normally eat things like THAT, but when I do I do.
12:44 schestowitz-TR; deep fry the caking frosting
12:45 schestowitz-TR; *cake
12:45 DaemonFC; They have a Culver's here, but it's like second mortgage on your house to eat there.
12:45 DaemonFC; deep fry the caking frosting
12:45 DaemonFC; Oh I know. My mom and brother have eating habits that's just junk junk junk all the time, every day.
12:45 DaemonFC; Enough salt for three days in one day's worth of food.
12:46 DaemonFC; Butter on everything.
12:46 bnchs; deep fry the cheese
12:46 schestowitz-TR; with toffee on it
12:46 bnchs; deep fry the butter on the cheese on the bacon on the BURGER
12:46 DaemonFC; And she's like "Why are you using reduced sodium broth and canned soups in the slow cooker?".
12:46 DaemonFC; I said, "Because I don't want my heart to explode in my face.".
12:47 bnchs; lol
12:47 bnchs; why are you using reduced sodium
12:47 bnchs; you need to go ALL OR NOTHING
12:47 DaemonFC; You know what she said?
12:47 DaemonFC; "Now that you're on blood pressure meds, you can just go back to using the regular version.".
12:48 DaemonFC; I said, "I wasn't trying to undo the meds and go on double the dose!".
12:48 TR News; Links 28/03/2022: Microsoft Suspends Site of GNU/Linux Distro PuppyLinux | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/microsoft-suspends-puppylinux/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/microsoft-suspends-puppylinux/
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12:48 TR Bot; Links 28/03/2022: Microsoft Suspends Site of GNU/Linux Distro PuppyLinux | Techrights
12:48 bnchs; im on insulin
12:49 bnchs; time to indulge on cake
12:49 DaemonFC; MOAR INSULIN!
12:49 TR News; Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163102
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12:49 TR Bot; Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers | Tux Machines
12:49 DaemonFC; Well, at a certain age, that's generally what doctors say anyway.
12:49 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163103
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12:49 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
12:49 DaemonFC; Like, "Just give her the Pepsi. She's 97 and we'll cover it with more insulin.".
12:49 DaemonFC; And that makes sense, when someone is 97 and could go at any moment.
12:49 bnchs; dude just give her everything
12:50 bnchs; we'll give her more meds
12:50 schestowitz-TR; "she will be sent packiung"
12:50 bnchs; because fuck eatig healthy
12:50 DaemonFC; But you have people like my family, where most are diabetics in their 30s.
12:50 DaemonFC; Because they drink soda like a baby bottle, and it's a 2 liter bottle.
12:50 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: dietary viagra
12:50 schestowitz-TR; or butchering
12:50 bnchs; daemonfc: jesus
12:51 schestowitz-TR; what I call "plastic" "surgery"
12:51 DaemonFC; You should NOT be a diabetic in your 30s unless it's a genetic defect or something.
12:51 DaemonFC; You just shouldn't.
12:51 bnchs; thats like uhhh
12:51 bnchs; 220 grams of sugar
12:51 schestowitz-TR; wow
12:51 schestowitz-TR; imagine that on a table
12:51 schestowitz-TR; it's like a small bowl
12:52 schestowitz-TR; so 11% sugars
12:52 schestowitz-TR; put some cheese in it
12:52 schestowitz-TR; it lacks fats
12:52 bnchs; and 840 calories on that pepsi alone
12:53 bnchs; its only the matter of the rest of the food
12:55 DaemonFC; I don't drink much soda.
12:55 DaemonFC; Very occasionally.
12:55 DaemonFC; Like, maybe if it's my birthday or something and I'm at a restaurant.
12:55 schestowitz-TR; i don't always drink soda, but when I do, there's cheese in it!
12:55 DaemonFC; Bacon-flavored soda.
12:55 DaemonFC; Seen it.
12:56 schestowitz-TR; is it halal?
12:56 DaemonFC; I just drink lemon water or something.
12:56 schestowitz-TR; tea, water, lemon
12:56 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I don't know. Probably. They use chemicals to flavor stuff.
12:56 schestowitz-TR; or coffee, water, milk/soy
12:57 DaemonFC; I'm making halal chicken tonight.
12:57 schestowitz-TR; that's like 5-10 cents a cup
12:57 DaemonFC; Got some on markdown and froze it.
12:57 schestowitz-TR; in SF 5-10 dollars
12:57 schestowitz-TR; in SF you get better value for it, like sitting on a sofa with thousands of unknown farts and covid variants
12:57 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Seen the bacon-dipped bullets?
12:57 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: i've seen people put cheese in noodles
12:58 DaemonFC; Bullets dipped in bacon grease.
12:58 schestowitz-TR; and ceilings that seem incomplete
12:58 DaemonFC; They say they're anti-Muslim bullets.
12:58 schestowitz-TR; with air shafts in them
12:58 bnchs; cheese in fucking noodles
12:58 schestowitz-TR; "it's in style now"
12:58 DaemonFC; cheese in fucking noodles
12:58 bnchs; maybe put some bacon in noodles
12:58 DaemonFC; I make macaroni and cheese sometimes.
12:58 DaemonFC; But I put spinach in mine.
12:58 DaemonFC; Mandy will eat almost any vegetable as long as it's cooked.
12:59 schestowitz-TR; some people still wear sneakers with lights
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.18 k/sec., IPFS upstream 75.93 average k/sec., average swarm size 467.93
12:59 DaemonFC; So I sneak in fruits and vegetables on him that way.
12:59 bnchs; as long as it's deep fryed*
12:59 schestowitz-TR; or drive cars with flourescent lighting UNDER the car
12:59 DaemonFC; or drive cars with flourescent lighting UNDER the car
12:59 DaemonFC; Good way to get pulled over.
12:59 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: thats what they call glowies?
12:59 DaemonFC; Draw the cop's attention to YOU.
12:59 bnchs; glowing agentd
12:59 schestowitz-TR; "ta ta DUM!!
13:00 bnchs; agents*
13:01 DaemonFC; The only fried vegetable I can't get enough of is okra.
13:01 DaemonFC; And you make that in a cast iron skillet, not a deep fryer.
13:02 DaemonFC; Good with ketchup.
13:02 DaemonFC; I get the ketchup with 50% less sugar and salt.
13:02 DaemonFC; I'm not really trying to avoid sugar, but I am trying to avoid salt.
13:03 schestowitz-TR; what % of today's ketchup is tomatoes?
13:03 schestowitz-TR; also, are brands like heinz more or less actyal veg?
13:03 DaemonFC; Good question. The 50% less sugar actually has sugar though.
13:03 schestowitz-TR; some of the cheap ones feel entirely artificial
13:03 DaemonFC; The normal ketchup has High Fructose Corn Syrup.
13:03 DaemonFC; Maybe our resident failed biologist can explain why HFCS isn't bad.
13:03 schestowitz-TR; let me check our fridge
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13:04 DaemonFC; HFCS makes no sense. The only reasons they use it in most stuff here is because of corn subsidies and sugar tariffs.
13:05 schestowitz-TR; ok, it says 174grams of tomato per 100 gram of "finished product"
13:05 schestowitz-TR; so after the water is removed
13:05 schestowitz-TR; a 500gram bottle of tube of it can be 800 grams of actual veg
13:06 schestowitz-TR; and assuming you have just 20 grams per seving
13:06 schestowitz-TR; that's like 30 grams raw tomato
13:06 schestowitz-TR; which is barely a bite
13:06 schestowitz-TR; i mean a bite of the actual vegetable
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13:08 schestowitz-TR; they should call it "sugarsalt sauce"
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13:10 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, You can make ketchup yourself cheaper.
13:11 DaemonFC; My great grandmother did it even well after there were cheap store-bought ketchups on the market.
13:11 DaemonFC; I've made ketchup before. In fact, I may do it again.
13:11 schestowitz; (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D544.jpg
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13:11 schestowitz; (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D186.jpg
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13:11 DaemonFC; I bought a lot of tomato sauce and paste at Aldi at one point and to use some of it up, I might make some ketchup out of it.
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13:12 DaemonFC; Of course without preservatives, you kind of have to limit yourself as to how much to make at one time.
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13:13 DaemonFC; One reason there is so much salt in the store-bought crap is because they're trying to preserve it.
13:13 DaemonFC; And bacteria doesn't thrive as well in salt solutions.
13:13 bnchs; i used to eat sweetened condensed milk
13:13 TR News; "I was using the cheapest, nastiest Microsoft Mouse I've seen in true Microsoft Fashion it's called Microsoft Wired Basic USB Optical Mouse for Business. It's flimsy and just like a real mouse, squeaks if you squeeze it too hard." gemini://shit.cx/tech/devenv/2022-03-28-microsoft-pro-intellimouse/
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13:13 bnchs; it was like diabetes in a can
13:14 TR News; I am considering making an RSS feed by hand, and even a Gemlog index by hand, on my flounder.online page, replacing the link to the problematic flounder's Atom feed." gemini://g.mikf.pl/gemlog/2022-03-28-feeds.gmi
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13:14 DaemonFC; But processed foods generally have so much salt in them you can take out a quarter to half of it and the taste doesn't change very much.
13:14 bnchs; i think i dont need to tell you how much sugar it had in one can
13:14 DaemonFC; Reduced sodium (by 25%) luncheon meat (Walmart's Great Value) tastes almost identical to the one with more salt.
13:14 TR News; "Some time ago, I mentioned my plans to write a review for the Librem 5. I still have that planned, but I did want to talk about one specific aspect of it now: usage flexibility." gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-03-28-librem-5-flexibility.gmi
=> ↺ gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-03-28-librem-5-flexibility.gmi
13:15 DaemonFC; Mom always assumed when I made something out of spam it would be gross, and wouldn't eat it.
13:15 schestowitz-TR; [13:13] i used to eat sweetened condensed milk
13:15 schestowitz-TR; rianne loves that
13:15 schestowitz-TR; with white pastries
13:15 DaemonFC; Now she eats it because some idiot on YouTube was talking about how they're preppers and have like 500 cans in their garage. :/
13:15 bnchs; it was straight from the can
13:15 DaemonFC; Sounds like grandma.
13:15 schestowitz-TR; it's seweet like mad
13:15 schestowitz-TR; if you do not dilute it
13:16 DaemonFC; Bulging oozing cans.
13:16 DaemonFC; Puts them in her car and comes over. "Now there's nothing wrong with these!".
13:16 DaemonFC; :)
13:16 schestowitz-TR; it slows down the car
13:16 bnchs; schestowitz-TR didnt dilute it
13:16 schestowitz-TR; or wastes fuel
13:17 DaemonFC; She dropped them off with mom and Gonad.
13:17 DaemonFC; Then when she left they dumped them in the trash.
13:17 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163104
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13:17 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
13:17 DaemonFC; It's dangerous to even open the can at that point.
13:17 DaemonFC; Just toss it.
13:18 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I told you Gonad broke his toe on some sugar that had hardened under Grandma's bed when they were over there helping her rearrange some things.
13:19 DaemonFC; My brother found a can of Spaghetti-Os in grandma's garage that expired in the 1970s.
13:19 schestowitz-TR; this is like elaine in seinfeld
13:20 schestowitz-TR; try to eat it
13:20 schestowitz-TR; see what happens
13:20 bnchs; lol
13:20 bnchs; it might be still good
13:20 schestowitz-TR; yeah
13:20 bnchs; what could possibly happen
13:20 schestowitz-TR; like schrooooms
13:20 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1O9_RVik_Q
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13:20 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=F1O9_RVik_Q
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13:20 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Down Perisocope XO Pascal bullies Buckman for a disorderly Galley - Invidious
13:21 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naVyR6KlkWI
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13:21 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=naVyR6KlkWI
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13:21 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Elaine eats the cake - Invidious
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13:34 DaemonFC; "I feel like I need a Tetanus shot just looking at it. The only thing holding it together are the bird droppings." Down Periscope.... :P
13:34 DaemonFC; That's kind of describing my car too.
13:36 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A
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13:36 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A
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13:36 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Reagan tells Soviet jokes - Invidious
13:37 DaemonFC; "There's a 10 year wait on an automobile in the Soviet Union and you have to put up a lot of money when you buy, and only one in seven families there owns one.".
13:37 DaemonFC; That's how the United States is getting under Biden.
13:37 DaemonFC; Pretty soon nobody will even be able to get to work because there will be no repair parts for their car and a new one has doubled in price.
13:37 matey; what could possibly happen <- even if it didnt kill you, youd still be begging for death
13:40 DaemonFC; "So a guy goes in to buy a car and puts down his money and the guy behind the counter says 'Okay, come back in ten years and get your car.'. So the guy asks, 'Morning or afternoon?'. The guy behind the counter says, 'It's ten years from now, so what difference does it make?', and the guy says, 'Well, the plumber's coming in the morning.'".
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13:40 bnchs; https://files.catbox.moe/wi532d.png
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13:40 TR Bot; connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/wi532d.png )
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13:42 bnchs; oh we use microsoft ads
13:42 bnchs; but dont worry, microsoft doesnt collect and sell your data
13:42 TR News; Reminder: DuckDuckGo is just Microsoft criminals... by proxy https://files.catbox.moe/wi532d.png more details in http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
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13:42 TR Bot; DuckDuckGo - Techrights
13:43 schestowitz-TR; Gab is a Microaoft shill
13:43 schestowitz-TR; it's Microsoft painting itself as privacy
13:43 schestowitz-TR; while trash-talking Gulag
13:43 schestowitz-TR; I am angered when I see FS browser defaulting to Microsof
13:43 schestowitz-TR; even some distros
13:44 schestowitz-TR; as if DDG is "good"
13:44 schestowitz-TR; because... Microsoft
13:44 schestowitz-TR; people choose gnu/linux to get AWAY from Microsoft
13:45 bnchs; i never realized ddg was hosted on microsoft azure
13:45 bnchs; and used microsoft's ad network
13:45 bnchs; and used microsoft bing
13:45 bnchs; too good to be true
13:49 matey; people choose gnu/linux to get AWAY from Microsoft <- not anymore
13:49 matey; it would be nice if you could get away from microsoft with the choice of gnu/linux
13:50 matey; they are in your linux kernel (waiting to add rust too)
13:50 matey; and theyre in gnu
13:50 matey; and theyre in the applications
13:50 matey; why not get into your search results?
13:51 matey; but roy is funny, he says they dont have a way to make money. i didnt know he was a libertarian "trust the invisible hand!"
13:51 bnchs; rust is too unstable
13:51 matey; the invisible hand sure gives us the visible finger a lot.
13:52 matey; rust is too unstable <- that of course is why they want it there
13:52 bnchs; you dont see windows kernel written in rust
13:52 bnchs; in fact maidadans says linux is bad because memory unsafe language
13:52 bnchs; but he doesnt say the same thing about windows NT
13:52 bnchs; which is written in C
13:53 matey; the windows kernel is unstable enough, its only held together with the bird droppings from daemonfcs can of spaghettios from the 1970s
13:53 matey; in fact maidadans says linux is bad because memory unsafe language <- sounds like hes in a cult
13:53 matey; "dont look at programs written in c, theyll make your palms hairy and give you cancer!"
13:54 matey; which is written in <- i would have thought nt was written in c++, but i wouldnt be surprised if it was both
13:55 bnchs; no
13:55 bnchs; i think the kernel is written in C
13:55 bnchs; and most of the other crap in c++
13:55 matey; spaghettiOS
13:55 matey; now with rust kernel
13:56 matey; they really should rename windows spaghettiOS
13:56 matey; like they call internet exploiter "edge" now
13:56 bnchs; he encourages the use of windows
13:57 bnchs; even though its written in a memory unsafe language
13:57 matey; he encourages the use of windows <- hes probably an idiot
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14:07 matey; "Windows NT is written in C and C++, with a very small amount written in assembly language. C is mostly used for the kernel code while C++ is mostly used for user-mode code."
14:08 schestowitz-TR; they reject their own frameworks
14:08 schestowitz-TR; as usual
14:08 schestowitz-TR; microsoft: use c#
14:09 schestowitz-TR; unlike us
14:09 schestowitz-TR; c# is good, honest!
14:09 schestowitz-TR; just not for this... or that... or this
14:09 matey; its good for a laugh
14:10 schestowitz-TR; it's aother fad
14:10 schestowitz-TR; #c
14:10 schestowitz-TR; hastags
14:10 schestowitz-TR; c#
14:10 matey; #C#
14:10 schestowitz-TR; social control media will be like mysapce in 5-10 years
14:10 schestowitz-TR; sometimes most people stopped bothering with
14:10 schestowitz-TR; the new usenet
14:10 schestowitz-TR; *something
14:11 schestowitz-TR; now those platforms "borrow time" from celebs
14:11 schestowitz-TR; and politicanns and atheletes
14:11 schestowitz-TR; amplifying them
14:11 schestowitz-TR; to make it seem like those platfforms are still very biug
14:11 schestowitz-TR; by concentrating all the active users in very few place
14:11 schestowitz-TR; football clubs, combative politics, sex...
14:15 matey; puppylinux.com was a ddos attack
14:15 matey; "the host" shut it down to respond to the attack
14:15 schestowitz-TR; so microsoft shut the account down?
14:15 schestowitz-TR; hahaha
14:15 schestowitz-TR; well done, microsoft
14:15 schestowitz-TR; we handled the ddos
14:15 schestowitz-TR; no domain
14:15 schestowitz-TR; no issues
14:15 schestowitz-TR; see? solved.
14:16 schestowitz-TR; matey: my tumour is gone
14:16 schestowitz-TR; I removed the leg
14:16 matey; "shoot the hostage, take them out of the equation"-- keanu reaves, speed
14:16 schestowitz-TR; anyway, they shut down the domain without consulting the owner
14:17 schestowitz-TR; beausee, you knoiw
14:17 schestowitz-TR; microsoft has no resources
14:17 schestowitz-TR; like staff that contacts people
14:17 schestowitz-TR; or servers
14:17 schestowitz-TR; or firewalls
14:17 schestowitz-TR; it's cheaper
14:17 schestowitz-TR; chop off the whole leg
14:17 schestowitz-TR; to spite the toe
14:17 matey; "The host suspended puppylinux.com without any notification or explanation. If that seems a bit rude, yes, it is. A decent host provider should give an explanation." -- barry
14:17 schestowitz-TR; microsoft loves linux... OFFLINE
14:18 schestowitz-TR; the first host we had
14:18 schestowitz-TR; as boycottnovell.com
14:18 schestowitz-TR; ssupended [sic] the account
14:18 schestowitz-TR; but told us first
14:18 matey; erik (who maintains the forum) later told barry about the reply he got to the support ticket "We have a serious problem of DDOS attack. I noticed this but hoped it wasn't so. The host shut us down and I am fighting to get us back up "
14:18 schestowitz-TR; due to ddos
14:18 schestowitz-TR; it was shared hosting
14:18 schestowitz-TR; not microsoft
14:19 schestowitz-TR; they had limited resources
14:19 schestowitz-TR; "the host"
14:19 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft
14:19 schestowitz-TR; the nameless host
14:19 schestowitz-TR; imho, they are shy to name it
14:19 schestowitz-TR; even barry
14:19 schestowitz-TR; as people might respond
14:19 schestowitz-TR; "wait, WHAT?"
14:20 schestowitz-TR; download puppy from microsoft
14:20 schestowitz-TR; another microsoft distro?
14:20 schestowitz-TR; one it had running by unpaid volunteers?
14:21 TR News; KDE Plasma 5.24.4 LTS Released with More Plasma Wayland Improvements, Other Fixes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163105
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14:21 TR Bot; KDE Plasma 5.24.4 LTS Released with More Plasma Wayland Improvements, Other Fixes | Tux Machines
14:22 matey; i think most people that still use puppy have accepted where it comes from
14:23 schestowitz-TR; from the same place "protestware" comes from
14:23 schestowitz-TR; same company
14:23 schestowitz-TR; new name for malware
14:23 schestowitz-TR; "protestware"
14:23 schestowitz-TR; sent to you by microsoft
14:23 schestowitz-TR; but blame "open source"
14:23 schestowitz-TR; tells us microsoft- and gates-funded media
14:23 matey; they proably see microsoft as the victim in that instance
14:23 schestowitz-TR; INCLUDING SJVN
14:23 schestowitz-TR; SJ f'ing N
14:23 matey; being forced to host malware against their will!
14:24 schestowitz-TR; yeah
14:24 schestowitz-TR; and not checking what it sends
14:24 schestowitz-TR; that's expensive
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14:24 schestowitz-TR; it means checking what you ship
14:24 matey; what sucks the most is
14:24 schestowitz-TR; like wordpress used to do and probably still does
14:24 matey; theres no longer a group of people that knows better
14:24 schestowitz-TR; the media is a circus
14:24 schestowitz-TR; a circus with clown
14:24 matey; theres no longer a haven from this madness
14:24 schestowitz-TR; where smart means drones
14:25 schestowitz-TR; fbi has issues a report about russian protestware
14:25 schestowitz-TR; it's protesting against the US power grid
14:25 schestowitz-TR; it can delete files and stuff
14:25 schestowitz-TR; to protest
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14:25 schestowitz-TR; FBI ordered pizza for the protesters in moscow
14:26 schestowitz-TR; US and Israel wrote protestware Stucnet
14:26 schestowitz-TR; they muck about with nuclear weapons
14:26 schestowitz-TR; it's a form of protest
14:27 schestowitz-TR; hospitals in the UK were protested against
14:27 matey; israel protests palestinian homes with bulldozers
14:27 schestowitz-TR; with shadow broker tools
14:27 schestowitz-TR; some east asian protested against british hospital treating ill patients
14:28 schestowitz-TR; matey: putin is protesting against natoi
14:28 schestowitz-TR; by shelling schools
14:28 schestowitz-TR; one person's terrorist is another person freedom protester
14:28 schestowitz-TR; 18 terrorists protested US occupation in the middle east
14:29 schestowitz-TR; they protested with planes
14:29 schestowitz-TR; snakes on a plane
14:29 schestowitz-TR; with box cutters
14:29 schestowitz-TR; hitler "protested" against the bolsheviks
14:29 schestowitz-TR; brandon was a well-meaning porotesters
14:29 matey; stalin protested against them too
14:29 schestowitz-TR; he deleted millions of files
14:30 schestowitz-TR; but they were of ordinary russians
14:30 schestowitz-TR; "good one, brandon, LOL"
14:30 matey; is windows protestware?
14:30 matey; theyre protesting the fact that competitors exist
14:31 TR News; ICBM pushing complexity drugs again https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/3-reasons-containers-essential-midsize-organizations
14:31 TR Bot; Kubernetes: 3 reasons containers are becoming essential for midsize organizations | The Enterprisers Project
14:31 matey; by screwing up the computers of ordinary users
14:31 matey; "i ran a scan of my computer and found out someone had installed windows on it"
14:31 matey; "probably the russians"
14:32 TR News; ICBM perpetuating the "worker shortage MYTH": "You probably already know some of the top challenges that IT leaders will face in 2022 finding (and retaining) top talent, keeping up with security challenges, and managing remote teams." https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/it-leadership-4-ways-tackle-your-flaws
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14:32 TR Bot; IT leadership: 4 ways to tackle your flaws | The Enterprisers Project
14:32 matey; but yeah, as far as trusting microsoft goes
14:32 matey; pretty much everyone does now
14:32 schestowitz-TR; I need to download anti-protest software
14:33 schestowitz-TR; I herad microsoft ships lots of "protests"
14:33 schestowitz-TR; through shithub and npm
14:33 matey; protesthub
14:33 matey; /me thinks protesthub protests too much
14:33 schestowitz-TR; sounds like a video site
14:33 schestowitz-TR; with "rich people"
14:34 schestowitz-TR; rick (allen jones) people
14:34 schestowitz-TR; rick has a big stash
14:34 schestowitz-TR; no need for gmail, he can start a hosting company with bill and jeff
14:34 schestowitz-TR; and other rich people
14:34 matey; call it bing, inc
14:35 schestowitz-TR; ah yes
14:35 schestowitz-TR; he has competiton already
14:36 schestowitz; https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-microsofts-bing-serves-up-recommends-child-porn
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14:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pcmag.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-microsofts-bing-serves-up-recommends-child-porn
14:36 TR Bot; Microsoft's Bing Serves Up, Recommends Child Porn | PCMag
14:36 schestowitz; https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/10/unsafe-search/ https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-bing-child-porn-problem-report-2019-1
=> ↺ https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/10/unsafe-search/
=> ↺ https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-bing-child-porn-problem-report-2019-1
14:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techcrunch.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/10/unsafe-search/
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14:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: businessinsider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-bing-child-porn-problem-report-2019-1
14:36 TR Bot; Bing not only shows child sexual abuse, it suggests it TechCrunch
14:36 TR Bot; Microsoft's Bing Had a Child Porn Problem: Report
14:37 matey; "customers who viewed this also liked..."
14:37 schestowitz; life imitates art - billg
14:37 schestowitz; https://www.cnet.com/news/microsofts-bing-search-engine-served-up-child-porn-report-says/
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14:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnet.com/news/microsofts-bing-search-engine-served-up-child-porn-report-says/
14:37 TR Bot; Bing search engine served up child porn, report says - CNET
14:37 schestowitz; https://gizmodo.com/microsoft-refuses-to-answer-key-questions-about-child-p-1831655413
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14:37 TR Bot; Microsoft Refuses to Answer Key Questions About Child Porn in Bing's Search Results
14:38 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2019/01/12/linspyware/
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14:38 TR Bot; Linspire Reborn is Still Working for Microsoft and Facilitating Surveillance on GNU/Linux Users | Techrights
14:39 matey; another gnu project admin that still trusts microsoft in 2022 https://github.com/agordon
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14:39 TR Bot; (A. Gordon) GitHub
14:39 matey; im telling you, gnu developers dont care.
14:40 matey; thats one of the admins of gnu sed
14:40 matey; you know, the "linux command"
14:40 matey; the other is jim meyering
14:40 matey; to be fair, assaf cares a LITTLE
14:40 matey; his mirrors of sed and datamash are readonly.
14:41 matey; but thats not all hes using github for
14:41 TR News; "This article covers the highlights of the C++ standardization proposals before the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) committee's Core and Evolution Working Groups last year. Read on to find out what's coming in C++23." https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/29/c-standardization-core-language-progress-2021
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14:41 TR Bot; C++ standardization (core language) progress in 2021 | Red Hat Developer
14:41 matey; everyone works for microsoft
14:41 matey; everyone trusts microsoft
14:41 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zgs4ztse2w
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14:41 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=3Zgs4ztse2w
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14:41 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Tabby cat missed me so much, she was so happy to see me again - Invidious
14:41 TR News; "Rate limiting is a popular technique to protect services from excessive demand. For example, you can use this strategy to limit how often a user can enter or reset their password." https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/29/develop-basic-rate-limiter-quarkus-and-redis
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14:41 TR Bot; Develop a basic rate limiter with Quarkus and Redis | Red Hat Developer
14:42 matey; 118 contributions in the past year. 95 repositories
14:42 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft loves children
14:42 matey; self-destruction reigns in the free software movement
14:42 psydruid; Microsoft is trust
14:42 schestowitz-TR; everybody loves raymond
14:43 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: also secure
14:43 schestowitz-TR; like secure boot
14:43 schestowitz-TR; if NSA says it's OK to boot, then boot
14:43 matey; unless theres a ddos
14:43 matey; then shut it down
14:43 TR News; #HowTo Install Angular Js on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163106
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14:43 TR Bot; How to Install Angular Js on Linux | Tux Machines
14:43 matey; i wonder what happens (i have no such ambitions) if you ddos a github project
14:43 matey; do they suspend it too?
14:44 schestowitz-TR; shutting it down solves the issue
14:44 schestowitz-TR; the customer ceases to exist
14:44 schestowitz-TR; "off the books'
14:44 matey; slitaz moved to github to get away from a ddos lasting months
14:44 matey; they finally left (github) again, but thats incredibly rare
14:44 matey; moving there then away
14:44 psydruid; the hardware world needs to go through the same change the software world went through
14:45 matey; psydruid: yes
14:45 psydruid; just don't expect the incumbent behemoths to simply accept this
14:45 matey; of course not
14:45 TR News; Fedora Linux 36 Beta Is Out with the GNOME 42 Desktop Environment and Linux Kernel 5.17 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163107
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14:45 TR Bot; Fedora Linux 36 Beta Is Out with the GNOME 42 Desktop Environment and Linux Kernel 5.17 | Tux Machines
14:46 matey; what we are seeing now is just how much capitalism hates people trying to become even a little autonomous
14:46 schestowitz-TR; it's not like capitalism is a person
14:47 schestowitz-TR; or a company
14:47 schestowitz-TR; it's a framework
14:47 schestowitz-TR; system with actors
14:47 matey; no, capitalism isnt a person-- its a whole bunch of rich and powerful arseholes.
14:47 schestowitz-TR; so they're creating certain conditions
14:47 schestowitz-TR; like conditioning people to have kids
14:47 schestowitz-TR; that produces more consumers
14:47 schestowitz-TR; otherwise you have a japan
14:47 schestowitz-TR; or singapoure/korea
14:47 schestowitz-TR; where you have to really push hard to get people to replicate
14:48 matey; thats funny
14:48 schestowitz-TR; oversupply of people also lowers salaries
14:48 matey; in most places all you have to do to push to get someone to replicate is... well...
14:48 schestowitz-TR; keep enough of them unemployed
14:48 schestowitz-TR; and then they'd work for anything
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14:50 matey; so something like half (maybe less than half) of the gnu project admins work for microsoft
14:51 matey; but theyre still not keen on moving the gnu project there
14:51 matey; most of them at least
14:51 matey; but if its not gnu, fuck it, sure, use github, why not
14:51 matey; somehow they get that its bad to put gnu there-- but not that its bad for anything else
14:51 matey; theyve compartmentalised it
14:52 schestowitz-TR; bribery is inclusive of diversity and inclusion
14:52 schestowitz-TR; we must be inclusive of microsoft
14:52 schestowitz-TR; CoC is compatible with crimes
14:52 schestowitz-TR; and corruption
14:52 matey; its not a bribe, its a contribution to free software
14:52 schestowitz-TR; just be polite and professional about it
14:52 schestowitz-TR; and don't murder the wife like hans reiser did
14:52 matey; the fact that it puts free software in a worse position is just an unfortunate side effect
14:52 schestowitz-TR; there MIGHT be something in the CoC
14:52 schestowitz-TR; about murdering the wife
14:52 schestowitz-TR; MIGHT
14:52 matey; completely unanticipated
14:53 matey; there was always an unwritten coc about murdering your wife
14:53 matey; most people have no problem with that rule
14:53 schestowitz-TR; what abpit bribery?
14:53 schestowitz-TR; would microsoft object to such a coc?
14:53 matey; if you murder your wife, people tend to lose interest in your filesystem and find an alternative
14:54 schestowitz-TR; would it... BRIBE... to undermine such coc proposal?
14:54 matey; its not a hard rule, but its what typically happens
14:54 schestowitz-TR; because that would mean all microsoft employees get banned from ALL major projects
14:54 matey; because that would mean all microsoft employees get banned from ALL major projects <- to dare to dream
14:55 matey; scientology is a cult-- the only country i know of that recognises this formally is germany
14:55 matey; microsoft is also a cult-- the fsf does not even recognise it as such
14:56 matey; i think its a bit dangerous for entire countries to decide what is and isnt a cult
14:56 matey; but i also think its a bit dangerous for the fsf to not recognise what theyre dealing with
14:57 matey; and by a bit dangerous i mean it will be their undoing (if it hasnt already)
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 63.25 k/sec., IPFS upstream 72.63 average k/sec., average swarm size 212.36
14:59 matey; kuhn may or may not realise it but hes going to push for a code of ethics in software projects
14:59 matey; so instead of corporations just imposing their cultural norms onto free software
14:59 matey; theyll be imposing their "ethical standards" too
15:00 matey; the only truly free software left will be whatever runs the fuck away from this shit
15:00 TR News; Techrights Has Some Solid Plans, But Preparations Are Underway | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/techrights-preparations-underway/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/techrights-preparations-underway/
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15:00 TR Bot; Techrights Has Some Solid Plans, But Preparations Are Underway | Techrights
15:00 matey; and the gnu project will be hard-pressed to accept a code of ethics
15:01 schestowitz-TR; gnu rejected coc
15:01 schestowitz-TR; it did the kind comms thing
15:01 schestowitz-TR; but never a coc
15:01 matey; yes and went with coc lite
15:01 matey; which wasnt entirely stupid
15:01 schestowitz-TR; rms wasn't senile at the time
15:01 schestowitz-TR; and he pushed back
15:02 schestowitz-TR; lots of stuff in stallman.org likely violates a template coc
15:02 matey; im trying to think of what they might call the ethical equivalent of the kind guidelines
15:02 schestowitz-TR; and rms wants to still protects free speech
15:02 matey; but then again, the board already has a code of ethics, so :)
15:02 schestowitz-TR; even if you're a raving hater like esr
15:02 matey; theyve already capitulated
15:02 matey; oh, your position on esr is one i wish i understood
15:02 matey; i have no idea what it is
15:03 matey; a raving hater of whom?
15:03 schestowitz-TR; leftists
15:03 schestowitz-TR; esr has every right to speak
15:03 matey; sure
15:03 schestowitz-TR; but not encourage violence
15:03 schestowitz-TR; but I don't have to agree or respect what he says
15:03 matey; of course
15:04 matey; you have as much right to disagree as he does to speak
15:04 schestowitz-TR; some people think esr should be deploatformed
15:04 schestowitz-TR; one of them gets over $3,000,000
15:04 matey; deplatformed from what?
15:04 schestowitz-TR; and lives in Bay Area
15:04 schestowitz-TR; sipping latte with a decade of two she has left to live
15:04 matey; is he a youtuber? facebooker? githubber?
15:04 schestowitz-TR; sociopaths on their high thrones
15:04 schestowitz-TR; talking down people whose difficulties they fail to grasp
15:05 schestowitz-TR; btw, esr is in a bad place financially, which is connected to his health
15:05 matey; i never see the esr these people talk about-- probably because i pay no attention to esr
15:05 matey; sure so he will be deplatformed by obesity i guess
15:05 schestowitz-TR; morbid
15:06 matey; hes craig mundies worst nightmare though
15:06 schestowitz-TR; haha
15:06 schestowitz-TR; h met him once
15:06 schestowitz-TR; for 10 seconds
15:06 matey; /me tsks
15:06 schestowitz-TR; in side the lift
15:06 schestowitz-TR; us: elevator
15:06 matey; yep
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15:07 matey; i always think of that quote
15:07 schestowitz-TR; where is craug now?
15:07 matey; when i think of what open source has become
15:07 schestowitz-TR; still delivering anti-gpl talks in unis?
15:07 matey; where is craug now? <- at a guess, doing better than esr
15:07 matey; maybe working or github, who knows
15:07 schestowitz-TR; meeting rich people
15:07 matey; raig James Mundie is Senior Advisor to the CEO at Microsoft and its former Chief Research and Strategy Officer. More at "Wikipedia"
15:07 matey; not was, is
15:08 matey; id rather that esr was right of course
15:08 matey; that he WAS microsofts "worst nightmare"
15:08 schestowitz-TR; so he is still involved in the crime
15:08 matey; only thats not what happened
15:08 schestowitz-TR; said perenes
15:08 matey; osi became a battering ram FOR microsoft, not OF it
15:08 schestowitz-TR; "but that's what actually happened!!"
15:08 schestowitz-TR; revolution OS
15:08 schestowitz-TR; perens is mostly bald now
15:08 matey; perens was fucking adorable in that film
15:09 matey; he was such a loveable dork
15:09 schestowitz-TR; turtleneck bruce
15:09 matey; i wonder if debian made him cynical
15:09 matey; im not saying he abandoned his values or anything
15:09 matey; bruce is a fucking mystery
15:09 schestowitz-TR; he's like rob madla
15:09 matey; dont know him
15:09 schestowitz-TR; was very high profile at one point
15:10 schestowitz-TR; now shows up once iun a few years, does a pony trick, disappears again
15:10 schestowitz-TR; *malda
15:10 matey; While Robdon't call him RobertMalda may fit the irreverent hacker stereotype, his finest hack does not. Malda is founder of Holland, MI-based Slashdot
15:11 matey; oh, sorry rob
15:11 matey; i think slashdot was microsofts worst nightmare too
15:11 matey; was
15:12 matey; apparently their worst nightmare is to have someone attack them and then come out on top stronger than ever before
15:12 matey; of course when i say "stronger than ever before" i am exaggerating a little
15:12 matey; with any luck its more like an enormous jenga tower reaching into the stratosphere
15:13 matey; impressive and foreboding but all the more unstable for it
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15:13 matey; but still you see people propping it up-- what are you crazy?
15:13 matey; half the gnu admins perhaps
15:13 matey; havent got a better idea!
15:13 matey; its the only repo on the internet!
15:14 matey; "you wouldnt use savannah?" "fuck no, i already have to use that shit for gnu"
15:14 matey; you may think im dissing savannah-- i would definitely choose it if github was the only other choise
15:14 matey; but theres a lot of hate for it, and pretending there isnt wont help solve the mystery
15:15 matey; if nothing else it means you dont have to use github
15:15 MinceR; (audio:music) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/818715.mp4
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15:15 matey; oh, rob malda
15:16 matey; you should have said cmdrtaco, thats a name i know
15:16 MinceR; :>
15:16 matey; wasnt he in half-revolution os?
15:17 matey; and of course: https://github.com/CmdrTaco
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15:17 TR Bot; (Rob Malda) GitHub
15:17 schestowitz-TR; eww
15:18 schestowitz-TR; but which year?
15:18 matey; hey only one repo
15:18 matey; thats what im checking now
15:18 schestowitz-TR; /. was enemy of microsoft
15:18 schestowitz-TR; so the criminals took over it
15:18 matey; he just joined this year
15:18 schestowitz-TR; then used it to promote the famous criminals
15:18 schestowitz-TR; and many regulars fled
15:18 matey; could it be fake? one repo, january 2022
15:18 schestowitz-TR; yes
15:18 matey; SURELY hes heard about the purchase by now
15:19 schestowitz-TR; fake maybe
15:19 matey; see when i find a repo like this, i ignore it
15:19 matey; its not compelling.
15:19 matey; its not "oh this person uses github"
15:19 matey; its nothing. i dont LIKE it, but its not "significant"
15:19 matey; i avoid counting non-data like this.
15:19 schestowitz-TR; maybe kathleen is trolling him
15:19 matey; heh
15:20 schestowitz-TR; "one more time and I'll create an account with your name in Microsoft Shit"
15:20 schestowitz-TR; "and the time after that I add a repo"
15:20 schestowitz-TR; (still better than throwing dishes)
15:20 matey; "WaPo Labs" <- i didnt think he was still at wapo
15:20 schestowitz-TR; "that escalates quickly
15:20 matey; oh, BEZOS!
15:21 schestowitz-TR; (Kathleen uploads Craig Mundie nudes into rob's fake account)
15:21 schestowitz-TR; yes
15:21 schestowitz-TR; short stint
15:21 schestowitz-TR; iirc, it was around the bezos time
15:21 schestowitz-TR; or just before
15:21 schestowitz-TR; I think shortly after
15:21 matey; so this is one of the weirdest things ive seen on github
15:22 matey; its in maldas name
15:22 schestowitz-TR; and lasted almost no time... just discredited him
15:22 schestowitz-TR; the thing he 'created'... and failed at
15:22 schestowitz-TR; torvalds did linux and git
15:22 matey; one repo, updated this year
15:22 schestowitz-TR; rms did gnu, fsf and lots more
15:22 matey; 700 commits
15:23 schestowitz-TR; his name or nickname?
15:23 schestowitz-TR; there is a whole cult-like following associated with it
15:23 schestowitz-TR; "slashdot subculture"
15:23 schestowitz-TR; with its own famous jokes
15:23 matey; rob "cmdrtaco" malda
15:23 matey; so both
15:23 schestowitz-TR; like rocky
15:24 matey; "wapo labs"
15:24 schestowitz-TR; so maybe it's him
15:24 schestowitz-TR; in zrizona?
15:24 schestowitz-TR; *az
15:24 schestowitz-TR; nevada?
15:24 matey; not one pr so we cant date it unless we assume it started on gh, didnt move there
15:24 schestowitz-TR; he spoke to me in twitter
15:24 schestowitz-TR; he was busy killing time with video games
15:24 matey; ive seen gh issues dating back to the 90s, github didnt exist then
15:24 matey; so gh issues cant be used to date anything
15:25 schestowitz-TR; maybe it's a mirror
15:25 schestowitz-TR; like he has it going locally
15:25 matey; it doesnt look like a mirror, its got 700 commits (which of course wouldnt prove its not a mirror)
15:25 matey; i think he put it up while at wapo
15:25 matey; but its still being updated
15:25 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot#Culture
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15:25 TR Bot; Slashdot - Wikipedia
15:26 schestowitz; "As an online community with primarily user-generated content, many in-jokes and internet memes have developed over the course of the site's history. A popular meme (based on an unscientific Slashdot user poll[66]) is, "In Soviet Russia, noun verb you!"[67] This type of joke has its roots in the 1960s or earlier, and is known as a "Russian reversal". Other popular memes usually pertain to computing or technology, such as "Imagine a Beowulf cluster
15:26 schestowitz; of these",[68] "But does it run Linux?",[69] or "Netcraft now confirms: BSD (or some other software package or item) is dying."[70] Users will also typically refer to articles referring to data storage and data capacity by inquiring how much it is in units of Libraries of Congress.[71] Sometimes bandwidth speeds are referred to in units of Libraries of Congress per second. When numbers are quoted, people will comment that the number happens to be
15:26 schestowitz; the "combination to their luggage" (a reference to the Mel Brooks film Spaceballs) and express false anger at the person who revealed it."
15:26 schestowitz; " (Redirected from Slashdot subculture)"
15:26 schestowitz; I think it used to be its own article
15:27 schestowitz; many moons ago
15:27 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bates_(technologist)
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15:27 TR Bot; Jeff Bates (technologist) - Wikipedia
15:27 schestowitz; "Jeff Bates, also known as hemos, is the co-founder of Slashdot[1] along with Rob Malda ("CmdrTaco"). Bates graduated from Holland Christian High School in 1994[2] and received a Bachelor's degree in History and Biology from Hope College[3] in 1998."
15:27 schestowitz; "In August 2011, Bates joined Google.[8] He worked at Google as Chief of Staff for the CIO, and as of 2019, is the Chief of Product Operations."
15:28 matey; so you can click "older" 100 times but theres no way to say "oldest"
15:28 matey; so you cant even go to the first page as far as i can tell
15:28 matey; really brilliant design
15:28 schestowitz; "Occasionally, a story will link to a server causing a large surge of traffic, which can overwhelm some smaller or independent sites. This phenomenon is known as the Slashdot effect."
15:28 schestowitz; I got the slashdot effect many times
15:28 schestowitz; but mostly in the years after its peak
15:28 schestowitz; it tapered off already circa 2005
15:29 matey; they could have called it slashdos
15:29 schestowitz; https://www.wired.com/1999/06/cmdrtaco-on-slashdot-sale/
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15:29 TR Bot; on Slashdot Sale | WIRED
15:29 schestowitz; "The co-founder and lead geek at Slashdot.org talks about selling the business to Andover.net. But he's reluctant to say exactly how much the sale brought in."
15:29 schestowitz; Now Logan runs it
15:29 matey; after=faedeb1ef6397e9b26d83aa229193d3c37ab0c7e+104 <- this takes me back to 16-bit computing
15:29 schestowitz; Logan's run
15:29 schestowitz; it's going nowhere
15:30 schestowitz; Logan was here in IRC a few times
15:30 schestowitz; tried to convince us /. would get better
15:30 schestowitz; he also controls sourceforge
15:31 matey; nearly all commits (recent, back to 2021 and before) are from
15:31 matey; @grzegorz914
15:31 matey; grzegorz914
15:31 matey; who wrote what it was forked from
15:31 matey; this is starting to look really fake
15:31 matey; hes not still at wapo labs
15:31 matey; it looks like he didnt do any work on this in 2021
15:32 matey; it makes no sense really, unless its fake
15:32 matey; maybe an inside joke
15:32 matey; "hey i made you a github account" "oh, fuck you"
15:33 matey; "it says wapo labs" "haha, arsehole"
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15:40 schestowitz-TR; hmm... predicted to snow here tomorrow
15:40 schestowitz-TR; almost april
15:40 schestowitz-TR; heavy snow
15:40 schestowitz-TR; happens once in 10-20 years
15:42 TR News; "PGConf.be 2022 will be held in Haasrode, Leuven, about 25km from Brussels. The conference will take place on May 19th, 2022. Registration is open." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgconfbe-call-for-papers-registration-open-2429/
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15:42 TR Bot; PostgreSQL: PGConf.be : Call for Papers & Registration open
15:44 TR News; The issue here is Redis, which is BSD licensed, but this article tries to blame "Debian", "Ubuntu", and "Linux" https://www.scmagazine.com/brief/breach/redis-servers-under-attack
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15:44 TR Bot; Redis servers under attack | SC Media
15:44 TR News; "Ive been using myrepos for a while - as someone who juggles a lot of repositories, both for personal projects and as a Fedora and CentOS packager, a ~/.mrconfig synced via Nextcloud really makes checking out repositories consistently, on different computers, straightforward." https://michel-slm.name/posts/2022-03-28-myrepos-utils/
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15:44 TR Bot; Navigating repositories with myrepos-utils :: Penses de Michel Personal thoughts and musings
15:47 TR News; Intern left legacy of potty-mouthed source code - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/who_me/ Source: theregister
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15:47 TR Bot; Intern left legacy of potty-mouthed source code The Register
15:48 TR News; 5 key insights for open source project sustainability in 2022 | Opensource.com
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15:48 TR Bot; key insights for open source project sustainability in 2022 | Opensource.com
16:03 TR News; Fedora 36 Workstation Installation Guide / Gnome 42 Quick Tour and New Features http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163107#comment-33224
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163107#comment-33224
16:03 TR Bot; Fedora Linux 36 Beta Is Out with the GNOME 42 Desktop Environment and Linux Kernel 5.17 | Tux Machines
16:05 TR News; Open Invention Network (OIN) is not a community, it is a corporate patent pool trying to pull the actual community into the cartel that 'normalises' software patents, distracting from actual solutions https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/03/29/2411593/0/en/Maersk-Joins-the-Open-Invention-Network-Community.html
16:05 TR Bot; Maersk Joins the Open Invention Network Community
16:08 TR News; "Beyond The Edge Of Owlsgard is a very promising upcoming point and click adventure game, with a Linux demo available." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/beyond-the-edge-of-owlsgard-is-a-retro-point-and-click-adventure-worth-trying/
16:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/beyond-the-edge-of-owlsgard-is-a-retro-point-and-click-adventure-worth-trying/
16:08 TR Bot; The Edge Of Owlsgard is a retro point and click adventure worth trying | GamingOnLinux
16:09 TR News; More teasers for a big Valheim update have arrived | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/more-teasers-for-a-big-valheim-update-have-arrived/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
=> ↺ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/more-teasers-for-a-big-valheim-update-have-arrived/
16:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/more-teasers-for-a-big-valheim-update-have-arrived/
16:09 TR Bot; teasers for a big Valheim update have arrived | GamingOnLinux
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16:11 TR News; March 2022 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News
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16:11 TR Bot; March 2022 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News
16:11 TR News; "Microsoft saw declines in all metrics this month, losing 3.22 million sites (-7.13%), 156,000 domains (-1.75%), 118,000 active sites (-1.88%), and 7,620 computers (-0.57%). Microsoft also lost 1,000 sites from its share of the top million." https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2022/03/29/march-2022-web-server-survey.html
=> ↺ https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2022/03/29/march-2022-web-server-survey.html
16:11 Alternative link; Cloudflare: netcraft.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2022/03/29/march-2022-web-server-survey.html
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16:14 XRevan86; https://thesun.co.uk/news/18082575 The Sun's reporters forgot to take their pills again.
=> ↺ https://thesun.co.uk/news/18082575
16:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thesun.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thesun.co.uk/news/18082575
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://thesun.co.uk/news/18082575
16:14 TR Bot; Blind mystic Baba Vanga who 'predicted 9/11' also claimed Putin will be 'lord of the world' in haunting prophecy
16:28 TR News; [GIT PULL] flexible-array transformations for 5.18-rc1 - Gustavo A. R. Silva https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220322184802.GA2533969@embeddedor/ Source: embeddedor | linux | kernel
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16:28 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] flexible-array transformations for 5.18-rc1 - Gustavo A. R. Silva
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16:29 TR News; [GIT PULL] sound updates for 5.18 - Takashi Iwai https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/s5hfsn8tyll.wl-tiwai@suse.de/ Source: suse | linux | kernel
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16:29 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] sound updates for 5.18 - Takashi Iwai
16:29 TR News; [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 1/2] drm/i915/ats-m: add ATS-M platform info https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2022-March/294043.html Source: intel | linux
=> ↺ https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2022-March/294043.html
16:29 TR Bot; [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 1/2] drm/i915/ats-m: add ATS-M platform info
16:30 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: best to ignore the sun
16:30 schestowitz-TR; it's not good for the brain
16:30 schestowitz-TR; until years ago the sun was known notf or murdoch
16:30 schestowitz-TR; but for page 3
16:30 schestowitz-TR; you tur the front leaf
16:30 schestowitz-TR; and there you have girls with their tits showing
16:31 schestowitz-TR; so it was literally a wanker's 'news' paper
16:32 XRevan86; Even just this fact that they appeal (numerous times) to a (heavily debunked) "psychic" is more than enough.
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16:38 TR News; "I am planning to add a few chapters on securing services in my Linux Command Line book. But, to make it practical & hands on, I needed one real application which the readers can deploy and secure." https://kushaldas.in/posts/introducing-very-bad-web-application.html
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16:38 TR Bot; Introducing Very Bad Web Application
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16:38 MinceR; (audio:music) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/818334.mp4
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16:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/v/818334.mp4
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16:51 matey; "attacked by steel birds" thats pretty uncanny actually
16:51 matey; since in 1989 no one had ever heard of airplanes (let alone of one being used to attack someone)
16:52 matey; "steel birds! thats so incredible, wherever could such a creature come from? this woman must speak to the gods themselves!"
16:54 TR News; Virtual Kubernetes clusters: A new model for multitenancy | https://opensource.com/article/22/3/virtual-kubernetes-clusters-new-model-multitenancy Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux
=> ↺ https://opensource.com/article/22/3/virtual-kubernetes-clusters-new-model-multitenancy
16:54 TR Bot; Kubernetes clusters: A new model for multitenancy | Opensource.com
16:54 matey; "how did you guys ever think up the idea of attacking people with PLANES? its so original""actually we got the idea from the crazy psychic lady. before that we were just going to tamper with some bottles of tylenol, but they put those damned seals on them so that was out"
16:55 matey; headlines: psychic from sun news masterminded 9/11!
16:56 matey; "we read that thing about 'steel birds' and just thought-- wow, why didnt WE think of that?"
16:57 matey; meet the real world, its like "brave new world" except dumber
16:58 TR News; Raphal Hertzog: Join Freexian to help improve Debian https://raphaelhertzog.com/2022/03/29/join-freexian-to-help-improve-debian/
=> ↺ https://raphaelhertzog.com/2022/03/29/join-freexian-to-help-improve-debian/
16:58 TR Bot; Join Freexian to help improve Debian
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.73 k/sec., IPFS upstream 78.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 312.86
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16:59 schestowitz; it's not about 9/11 attacks
16:59 schestowitz; these are straw man attacks
17:00 matey; you didnt read the thing
17:00 XRevan86; matey: "Just say "birds of steel", the suckers keep falling for it"
17:00 schestowitz; to suppress any discussion about 9/11
17:00 schestowitz; mention "9/11" and people go, "oh , here we go again..."
17:00 matey; im all in favour of the 9/11 victims families having a real inquiry
17:00 matey; theyre not going to get one, because the government doesnt give a shit about people who have less than billions of dollars
17:00 matey; ever.
17:00 schestowitz; and saudi arabia put under probe
17:01 schestowitz; and maybe forced to issue billions in compensation
17:01 matey; that would be poetic, but its not how allies get treated
17:01 matey; on the other side of the world, these are called "acceptable losses"
17:02 matey; on this side of the world, its called "thank you for your service"
17:02 matey; its the same scam, just different marketing
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17:06 TR News; "Today were going to design and laser cut some new Raspberry Pi cases from 3mm plywood using the Atomstack X7 40W." https://www.the-diy-life.com/making-laser-cut-raspberry-pi-cases-using-the-atomstack-x7-40w/
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17:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: the-diy-life.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.the-diy-life.com/making-laser-cut-raspberry-pi-cases-using-the-atomstack-x7-40w/
17:06 TR Bot; Making Laser Cut Raspberry Pi Cases Using The Atomstack X7 40W - The DIY Life
17:09 TR News; "In 2019, the German LibreOffice community sadly lost one of its most active members, Klaus-Jrgen Weghorn. [...] support a student through the Deutschlandstipendium initiative..." https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/03/29/the-document-foundation-supports-the-deutschlandstipendium/
17:09 TR Bot; The Document Foundation supports the "Deutschlandstipendium" - The Document Foundation Blog
17:09 TR News; Linux Tablet: Best Options, Comparison, and Guide Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163109
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17:09 TR Bot; Linux Tablet: Best Options, Comparison, and Guide | Tux Machines
17:10 matey; there are more people getting off of crack than leaving github
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17:15 TR News; Finnix Linux Distro for Sysadmins Celebrates 22th Anniversary with New Release Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163110
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17:15 TR Bot; Finnix Linux Distro for Sysadmins Celebrates 22th Anniversary with New Release | Tux Machines
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17:18 matey; mike gerwitz, showing how its done https://github.com/mikegerwitz/i-do-not-use-github
=> ↺ https://github.com/mikegerwitz/i-do-not-use-github
17:18 TR Bot; - mikegerwitz/i-do-not-use-github: I do not use GitHub for personal projects. More information here.
17:19 matey; thank you mike
17:19 matey; "While you may see some commits of mine for projects related to my employer, I do not use GitHub for personal projects."
17:19 matey; "Primarily because GitHub requires users to run non-free JavaScript to use all features of the website. Not only will I not do this, but I don't want to direct users to GitHub either, because doing so is asking them to run non-free software."
17:19 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/26/mike-gerwitz-ethics/
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17:19 TR Bot; Mike Gerwitz on the Ethics Void | Techrights
17:20 matey; uh oh
17:20 matey; well i wasnt done yet, but this is worth pausing for
17:20 matey; i had one other funny thing to add
17:21 TR News; Vulkan API 1.3.210 out with new extensions, new NVIDIA Beta Driver ready | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/vulkan-api-13210-out-with-new-extensions-new-nvidia-beta-driver-ready/ Source: Gaming On Linux | Graphics | Linux | Games
17:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/vulkan-api-13210-out-with-new-extensions-new-nvidia-beta-driver-ready/
17:21 TR Bot; API 1.3.210 out with new extensions, new NVIDIA Beta Driver ready | GamingOnLinux
17:21 matey; oh dear
17:21 matey; well, ill have to watch that i guess
17:21 matey; this needs to be added (same link as before)
17:22 matey; "GitHub is under new ownership, so maybe there is hope to change that." ROFL
17:22 TR News; LOL! "With a price starting at $1,999".... and wait till you see the POWER BILLS! https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-has-rolled-out/
=> ↺ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-has-rolled-out/
17:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-has-rolled-out/
17:22 TR Bot; GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 'BFGPU' has rolled out | GamingOnLinux
17:22 matey; yeah, microsoft purchased them, so maybe theyll solve the non-free js problem
17:22 matey; seriously.
17:23 matey; so you see its not just kuhn pushing this code of ethics thing
17:23 matey; coc 2 is coming
17:23 matey; um, that time it wasnt even intended.
17:24 matey; it wasnt enough for corporations to push their social dynamics onto free software, they have to impose their "ethics" on us too
17:24 matey; say goodbye to freedom 0. you wont get freedom 0 unless you fork. you wont fork, because theres no freedom 3.
17:24 matey; free software will be back of course. like jesus.
17:24 matey; maybe even before jesus.
17:25 matey; /me IS definitely exaggerating slightly
17:25 matey; its bad though.
17:25 matey; the fsf is pushing kuhnism, like i said
17:26 matey; and theyre using libreplanet, which is what i said they would do.
17:26 matey; now to watch this old claptrap
17:26 matey; fucking lieplanet
17:26 TR News; Were going to recognise the demise of the Web (along with social control media and bursting of the clown bubble) as we focus more on exposing corruption, resisting censorship, and moving videos away from the grip of pseudo-free video hosting (no such thing) http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/techrights-preparations-underway/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/techrights-preparations-underway/
17:26 matey; roy, the one time i think ive found a kindred spirit at the fsf, and you go and ruin it
17:26 TR Bot; Techrights Has Some Solid Plans, But Preparations Are Underway | Techrights
17:26 TR News; Games: Beyond The Edge Of Owlsgard, Valheim, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163111
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163111
17:26 TR Bot; Games: Beyond The Edge Of Owlsgard, Valheim, and More | Tux Machines
17:26 matey; (this one, at least, you cant be blamed for)
17:27 MinceR; 29 182408 < matey> it wasnt enough for corporations to push their social dynamics onto free software, they have to impose their "ethics" on us too
17:27 MinceR; it's not really their ethics
17:27 matey; indeed
17:27 matey; its just they want to control ours
17:27 MinceR; it's what their crybully troll army likes
17:27 MinceR; and what they offend all the time, but not publicly
17:28 MinceR; it's easier to point out that a free software project used a "bad word" in a comment when your own code is secret
17:28 matey; if more people watched the office, they would already know what the fsf is going to do next
17:28 matey; steel birds will attack our nuts!
17:28 matey; and turn us into unix
17:29 matey; it's easier to point out that a free software project used a "bad word" in a comment when your own code is secret 81580085!
17:29 schestowitz; DAAAARK MODE https://windowsreport.com/best-windows-11-dark-theme/
=> ↺ https://windowsreport.com/best-windows-11-dark-theme/
17:29 TR Bot; 5 best Windows 11 dark themes that are available for free
17:29 matey; B16B00B5
17:29 schestowitz; does that offend anyone?
17:29 schestowitz; deny mode
17:29 matey; deny horse
17:30 matey; deny magic
17:30 matey; denysploitation
17:31 TR News; RFID music player delivers vintage charm | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/29/rfid-music-player-delivers-vintage-charm/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking
=> ↺ https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/29/rfid-music-player-delivers-vintage-charm/
17:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/29/rfid-music-player-delivers-vintage-charm/
17:31 TR Bot; RFID music player delivers vintage charm | Arduino Blog
17:31 matey; deny beauty https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8u5NgC4lZ8s
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8u5NgC4lZ8s
17:31 TR Bot; Black Beauty Theme (Galloping Home) - Denis King 1972 - Invidious
17:32 matey; oh, deny betty! blam balam
17:32 TR News; LOL!!!! "National Science Agency (NSA)"... and those LF slackies in "FOSS" Life think NSA (NOT science) want security? https://www.fosslife.org/nsa-releases-kubernetes-hardening-guide
=> ↺ https://www.fosslife.org/nsa-releases-kubernetes-hardening-guide
17:32 TR Bot; NSA Releases Kubernetes Hardening Guide
17:33 TR News; NSA wants to harden (actual) security like a rape victims wants the rapist hardened
17:34 schestowitz-TR; there's a racist program called darktable
17:34 MinceR; uh oh
17:34 schestowitz-TR; they need to change name
17:34 schestowitz-TR; I suggest "GLIMPSE"
17:34 matey; the "ethics void"
17:34 schestowitz-TR; since the GIMP fork is dead
17:34 MinceR; what's the MICROS~1/ibm/deadrat-approved replacement for "dark"?
17:35 schestowitz-TR; GLIMPSE is available for use
17:35 matey; im telling you, these people all work for open source now
17:35 schestowitz-TR; it's the same but we changed the name and logo
17:35 matey; this is old osi shit
17:35 matey; they didnt fold-- they moved
17:35 schestowitz-TR; Is pale moon OK?
17:35 schestowitz-TR; Pale can be colour reference
17:35 matey; the palemoon author is an idiot
17:35 MinceR; :>
17:35 matey; oh you mean the name
17:35 matey; allow moon
17:36 schestowitz-TR; "allow microphone access"
17:37 matey; if a midget makes a misogynist comment, is it offensive to call that a "microaggression"
17:39 schestowitz-TR; if a drone runs Windows...
17:39 schestowitz-TR; and has a minigun
17:39 schestowitz-TR; that's miniaggression on a microaggresison
17:39 matey; so the fsf has finally and officially been hijacked to be used for pure fucking idiocy
17:39 matey; against itself
17:39 TR News; Extension Manager GNOME App Adds New Features, New Icon Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163112
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163112
17:39 TR Bot; Extension Manager GNOME App Adds New Features, New Icon | Tux Machines
17:40 schestowitz-TR; you mean mike?
17:40 matey; but its not an occupation-- they prefer to call it a "conversion of faith"
17:40 schestowitz-TR; because of his talk?
17:40 matey; i mean mike and the board
17:40 matey; no i havent watched the talk yet
17:40 matey; im simply going on what i am in fact ABOUT to watch
17:40 schestowitz-TR; mike iirc may have been the one blocking pocock from gnu.org
17:40 matey; i make no effort to hide this fact
17:40 schestowitz-TR; so that he could not evenemail rms
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17:40 matey; oh cool, maybe hes the reason i cant email him either
17:40 matey; but is that ethical?
17:41 matey; or was he blocking people for ETHICAL reasons
17:41 schestowitz-TR; it'\s not for you to decide
17:41 matey; maybe he was trying to prevent unethical emails from getting through
17:41 schestowitz-TR; it's for self-labelling ethical peopl
17:41 matey; yes, it may be my freedom, its just not my decision
17:41 schestowitz-TR; who use "SJW" as their own flair in Reddit
17:41 schestowitz-TR; while working for a Gulag
17:41 schestowitz-TR; and bombing people
17:41 matey; is gerwitz a googler?
17:41 schestowitz-TR; don't know
17:42 schestowitz-TR; he maintains fsd
17:42 matey; probably not then
17:42 matey; i dont think he does
17:42 schestowitz-TR; but he's ok
17:42 matey; i can think of two fsd maintainers
17:42 schestowitz-TR; ime
17:42 matey; but he's ok <- not from what youve said, no
17:42 schestowitz-TR; there are people who do harm
17:42 schestowitz-TR; he's hardly the issue
17:42 schestowitz-TR; he's pro rms
17:42 matey; then he sucks at it
17:43 matey; hes not even on the pro rms list
17:43 matey; probably wasnt ethical
17:43 schestowitz-TR; you wrote some rude thinks to rms
17:43 schestowitz-TR; *things
17:43 schestowitz-TR; so on the balance of things he's more pro-RMS than you
17:43 matey; your assessment of my interactions with rms is largely bullshit
17:43 matey; you told a number of fabrications about rms
17:43 matey; and threw me under the bus when it was convenient to do so
17:44 matey; i dont give two tugs of a dead dogs cock what you think about me and rms. or me and oliva.
17:44 matey; or me and tom.
17:44 matey; i hope that much is clear.
17:44 schestowitz-TR; ok, fair point
17:44 schestowitz-TR; but anyway, mike isn't the enemy
17:44 schestowitz-TR; I added his video/talk
17:44 matey; no, hes just useless.
17:44 matey; im glad you added the talk
17:44 matey; people should see it.
17:44 schestowitz-TR; because I looked at more than the gnu domain
17:44 matey; im going to watch it
17:44 schestowitz-TR; and some of the other things
17:45 schestowitz-TR; and he would be a bad target because if we attack our own, nobody benefits
17:45 schestowitz-TR; maybe you judged only thje titl;e
17:45 schestowitz-TR; of the talk
17:45 matey; hes not a target, hes just useless
17:46 matey; well lets see what happened when i read kuhns article
17:46 schestowitz-TR; he helps a lot in FSD
17:46 matey; its hard to read that much bullshit at once
17:46 schestowitz-TR; even at the hardest times
17:46 matey; i dont think hes in charge of the fsd anymore
17:46 matey; when i read kuhns article i took it in at a pace i could stand
17:46 schestowitz-TR; he just writes monthly summaries
17:46 matey; but i finally read the whole thing
17:46 matey; he just writes monthly summaries <- i am aware
17:47 matey; at first i thought kuhn was supporting ethical source licenses-- not at all
17:47 schestowitz-TR; he also puts his name in the headlines
17:47 matey; then i thought it was mostly benign EXCEPT for the obvious context
17:47 schestowitz-TR; which I always found a tad strange
17:47 matey; then i realised what he was doing
17:47 matey; so three parts to the reaction-- initial, revised and conclusive
17:47 matey; im sure it will be the same with the gerwitz talk
17:48 schestowitz; just publsishged https://opensource.org/blog/simplify-open-source-license-compliance
=> ↺ https://opensource.org/blog/simplify-open-source-license-compliance
17:48 TR Bot; Simplify Open Source License Compliance | Open Source Initiative | Guaranteeing the 'our' in source...
17:48 schestowitz; I've not read it yet
17:49 schestowitz; " GitHub and GitLab are the most common places to publish code with distributed version control."
17:49 schestowitz; citation needed
17:51 TR News; How to quickly end the war in Ukraine with $10 laser pointers | I, Cringely https://www.cringely.com/2022/03/29/how-to-quickly-end-the-war-in-ukraine-with-10-laser-pointers/ Source: cringely
=> ↺ https://www.cringely.com/2022/03/29/how-to-quickly-end-the-war-in-ukraine-with-10-laser-pointers/
17:51 TR Bot; to quickly end the war in Ukraine with $10 laser pointers | I, Cringely
17:53 matey; probably true though
17:53 matey; also the two worst, nearly
17:53 TR News; "internet-connected uninterruptable power supply (UPS)"????? WHY????? https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/29/mitigating-attacks-against-uninterruptable-power-supply-devices
17:53 TR Bot; Mitigating Attacks Against Uninterruptable Power Supply Devices | CISA
17:53 matey; i dont give people a hard time for using gitlab, it just sucks
17:53 matey; they probably should look at a third option
17:54 TR News; Raspberry Pi CM4 powered system available as SBC or mini-PC https://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-cm4-powered-system-available-as-sbc-or-mini-pc/ Source: LinuxGizmos | Hardware | Devices | GNU | Linux
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17:54 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-cm4-powered-system-available-as-sbc-or-mini-pc/ )
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17:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-cm4-powered-system-available-as-sbc-or-mini-pc/
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17:55 TR News; "This photograph of Tesla, produced for The Century Magazine, shows the inventor seated beneath his giant magnifying transmitter, arcing 22-foot-long bolts of electricity." https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/nikola-tesla-in-his-laboratory/
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17:55 TR Bot; Earthen Messages: Nikola Tesla in his Laboratory (ca. 1899) The Public Domain Review
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17:55 schestowitz-TR; matey: we made out own in gemtext
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17:55 schestowitz-TR; it's less than 100 lines of code
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18:01 matey; yes its funny how you can just put code online without high-granularity version control
18:01 matey; a number of gnu projects still do that-- bug report? feature request? patch? email it
18:01 matey; later it will show up in a tarball.
18:02 matey; no git, no cvs, just tar.gz
18:02 matey; im sure you woudlnt want to do a kernel that way
18:03 matey; but im not a kernel author
18:03 matey; /me is wasting 600mb of b/w on this troll
18:03 matey; sure i have plenty more, its still a waste
18:04 matey; doesnt look like i expected at all
18:05 matey; oh christ hes pushing unity
18:06 matey; he sounds like a friend i had at my wedding
18:06 schestowitz-TR; unity3d?
18:06 schestowitz-TR; aka uniuty?
18:06 schestowitz-TR; or ubuntu's?
18:07 schestowitz-TR; rianne used unity for a few years
18:07 schestowitz-TR; it's not horrible
18:07 matey; unity: forced marriage
18:08 schestowitz-TR; at lkeast back then ubuntu was not fedora clone
18:08 schestowitz-TR; it also had upstart iirc
18:08 matey; it's not horrible <- mono?
18:08 schestowitz-TR; same time
18:08 schestowitz-TR; so you mean unity the game dev fw
18:09 schestowitz-TR; unity3d was one of the very few mono "success stories"
18:09 matey; i know for a fact that the game platform is mono
18:09 schestowitz-TR; and team mono crumbled
18:10 matey; im talking about unity desktop, i assumed you were
18:10 matey; this was at a time ubuntu was pushing mono-- you wrote articles complaining about it
18:10 schestowitz-TR; unity however was not mono
18:10 schestowitz-TR; I didn't waste time bashing unity their 'de'e
18:10 matey; ok, i wasnt sure
18:10 schestowitz-TR; mostly a panel thing
18:10 schestowitz-TR; after they hired the beryl/compiz devs
18:11 matey; and the addon that spied on users
18:11 schestowitz-TR; or dev
18:11 matey; which shuttleworth was shameless about
18:11 schestowitz-TR; scope
18:11 matey; spineless too
18:11 schestowitz-TR; that came later
18:11 schestowitz-TR; 2012 ish
18:11 schestowitz-TR; or 2013
18:11 schestowitz-TR; snowden leaks
18:11 schestowitz-TR; micah lee complained
18:11 schestowitz-TR; after he had put glenn greenwalk on ubuntu
18:12 schestowitz-TR; and saught to secure the snowden trove of leaks
18:12 matey; C++, JavaScript, QML
18:12 matey; 2.07.4: C, C++, Python, Vala[3]
18:12 matey; 8: C++ and QML
18:12 matey; no mono
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18:13 matey; gerwitz is resently talking about a lot of irrelevant things that are going to be used to tank free software development for years
18:13 matey; presently ^
18:14 matey; kuhn and industry ask for stupid-- gerwitz finds legitimate reasons to give them everything on their wishlist
18:14 matey; i think gerwitz is a sucker
18:14 matey; seems well-intended
18:15 matey; hes actually approaching this in a stallman-like way
18:15 matey; pedantic, thorough, completely oblivious to the context of what he will be ushering in on behalf of a corrupt industry
18:16 matey; people will use this talk to add legitimacy to what kuhn is doing
18:16 schestowitz-TR; ok, so we agree he's well meaning
18:16 matey; meanwhile the fsf has already used this against whistleblowers
18:16 schestowitz-TR; unlike with bkuhn
18:16 matey; so we agree he's well meaning <- no, i think he appears and may in fact be well-meaning
18:16 schestowitz-TR; ok
18:16 matey; unlike with bkuhn <- but they are arguing for the same thing at the end of the day
18:17 matey; and thats a problem regardless of intention
18:17 matey; hes scoring an own-goal
18:17 schestowitz; of note: https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/
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18:17 TR Bot; libreplanet's profile GNU MediaGoblin
18:17 schestowitz; there are still missing bits and errors
18:17 schestowitz; I reckon they will resume and finalise today
18:17 matey; from this talk or from the event?
18:18 matey; ive watched 1/3 of it (and watching the next 1/3 now) and hes still on the introduction (or the lack of tie-in to whats going on now)
18:19 TR News; Or it just renamed and moved under another shell https://www.accessnow.org/finfisher-shuts-down/
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18:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/finfisher-shuts-down/
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18:19 TR Bot; Victory! FinFisher shuts down - Access Now
18:20 matey; schestowitz have you ever had a friend (in school for example) for however long, who was a bit of a doormat?
18:21 TR News; Schneier neglects to point out this is a Microsoft Windows issue https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/a-detailed-look-at-the-conti-ransomware-gang.html
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18:21 TR Bot; Detailed Look at the Conti Ransomware Gang - Schneier on Security
18:21 matey; someone who just refused to stand up for themselves and let people walk all over them
18:22 schestowitz-TR; that's now what's happening, that can happen over irc
18:22 schestowitz-TR; or textual comms
18:22 schestowitz-TR; even with rms
18:22 schestowitz-TR; even more so with rms
18:22 matey; well the thing is, people like that arent bad people
18:22 schestowitz-TR; he said offensive things to people I know
18:22 schestowitz-TR; without meaning to
18:23 matey; but theyre routinely hijacked, manipulated and used by bad people
18:23 matey; this makes them at best, a liability
18:23 matey; im not saying we should necessarily shun them
18:23 schestowitz-TR; so then people need to jump in and act as negotiators
18:23 matey; just that they make lousy friends, because they often end up siding with bad people
18:23 matey; so then people need to jump in and act as negotiators <- this is a valid approach
18:23 matey; with enough good people willing to do something, such people can be rescued
18:23 schestowitz-TR; iirc, jgay had this issue too
18:24 matey; within a small group though, such doormat like people are a liability
18:24 schestowitz-TR; like rms saying inappropriate things
18:24 matey; and, in a large group of such people, youre just fucked.
18:24 schestowitz-TR; matey: so you keep them at arm's length
18:24 matey; like rms saying inappropriate things <- people need to understand that rms is always going to have social difficulties
18:24 matey; if they cant understand that, imo theyre being unreasonable
18:24 schestowitz-TR; yes, that won't change at age 70
18:25 matey; this is not a special plea for rms, its a recognition of everyone who has a legitimate reason to be that way
18:25 matey; not understanding this is like telling someone tourettes to watch their fucking mouth
18:25 matey; someone with tourettes ^
18:25 matey; the fact is that people like rms can IMPROVE
18:25 schestowitz-TR; not to go offtopic
18:25 schestowitz-TR; in wikileaks cablegate
18:25 matey; but
18:25 schestowitz-TR; clinton asked for medfical dirt on kirschner (argentina)
18:26 schestowitz-TR; when you want to take people down
18:26 matey; that improvement will never make them "normal" and that needs to be accepted (by reasonable people. unreasonable people will make unreasonable demands)
18:26 schestowitz-TR; you identigy a weakness
18:26 schestowitz-TR; like someone being tactless
18:26 schestowitz-TR; or a sex maniac
18:26 schestowitz-TR; or disloyal
18:26 schestowitz-TR; wityh rms they know how to trigger him
18:26 matey; i dont think rms is tactless
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18:26 matey; i think he can be sometimes
18:26 schestowitz-TR; temper
18:26 matey; sometimes he fails socially
18:27 matey; wityh rms they know how to trigger him <- right
18:27 matey; its a bullying tactic
18:27 matey; you flick things at the back of someones head
18:27 matey; no one notices
18:27 matey; finally that person turns around and says HEY WOULD YOU FUCK OFF
18:27 matey; and then they get in trouble, not the instigator
18:28 matey; this has been going on FOREVER
18:28 matey; and most anti-bullying strategies simply ignore this
18:28 schestowitz-TR; happeend here in irc
18:28 schestowitz-TR; and in usenet
18:28 schestowitz-TR; I once fell for it
18:28 schestowitz-TR; but that was around 2005
18:28 schestowitz-TR; lessons learned: always ignore trolls
18:29 matey; around 24:00 the talk just makes me sad
18:29 TR News; HC asks MEITY to consider hearing creator of blocked site https://internetfreedom.in/delhi-high-court-calls-for-case-files/ Source: internetfreedom
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18:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: internetfreedom.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/delhi-high-court-calls-for-case-files/
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18:29 TR Bot; HC asks MEITY to consider hearing creator of blocked site
18:29 matey; lessons learned: always ignore trolls <- nice idea, until everyone is trolling
18:30 matey; the world has gotten way more trollish over the past 20 years
18:30 matey; just society in general
18:30 matey; its not all bad
18:30 matey; i like focusing on the bad because the good doesnt need as much fixing
18:31 matey; in fact one of the worst things there is now, is people trying desperately to fix everything good
18:31 matey; "fix"
18:32 matey; 24:00 gerwitz is very politely tiptoeing around the problem of open source
18:32 matey; hes actually talking about it, which is good
18:32 matey; im not suggesting that pounding his fist on the podium and shouting would be better
18:33 TR News; How on Earth could this article be published without even mentioning Windows? With Microsoft and Bill Gates bribing everything that moves -- even publishers -- the crimes get covered up and noise obfuscates https://www.wired.com/story/conti-leaks-ransomware-work-life/
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18:33 TR Bot; Workaday Life of Conti, the Worlds Most Dangerous Ransomware Gang | WIRED
18:34 matey; "we want to be able to get along and we [mostly] do"
18:37 TR News; "Use Microsoft AppLocker or other similar allow list application to help mitigate risk." Or don't use Microsoft at all. :-) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-088-01
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18:37 TR Bot; Rockwell Automation ISaGRAF | CISA
18:37 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163113
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18:37 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
18:37 matey; "were almost fighting an uphill battle from within" 28:10
18:37 matey; and right before that he calls github proprietary
18:38 matey; now hes talking about "moral myopia"
18:39 matey; "were not spying on you, just collecting detailed usage statistics" <- hes criticising this
18:39 TR News; "Misconfiguration in the ASP server causes server and ASP.net information to be shown." Hm... what is this ASP 'server' thing? Oh... CISA should be a lot clearer in its advisories. Stop covering up for criminals from Microsoft https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-088-03
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18:39 TR Bot; Hitachi Energy LinkOne WebView | CISA
18:39 schestowitz-TR; "telemetry"
18:39 schestowitz-TR; "big data"
18:39 schestowitz-TR; for our "data scientists"
18:39 schestowitz-TR; "UX"
18:40 schestowitz-TR; "to improve your eXperience"|
18:42 TR News; "vulnerability exists in HandlerPage_KID.ashx.... CVE-2022-26069 has been assigned to this vulnerability. A CVSS v3 base score of 9.8 has been assigned" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-081-01 http://techrights.org/wiki/Call_Out_Windows
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=> http://techrights.org/wiki/Call_Out_Windows
18:42 TR Bot; Delta Electronics DIAEnergie (Update A) | CISA
18:42 TR Bot; Call Out Windows - Techrights
18:43 matey; oh look its rms
18:43 matey; he has a question or comment
18:44 matey; oh its a good comment
18:44 matey; and yet you think gertwiz blocked pocock?
18:47 matey; rms mentions "restore the 4th"
18:47 matey; i imagine theyre defunct by now
18:48 TR News; Nicholas Johnson and Woichiech Kosior: Taking back the Web | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/nicholas-johnson-and-woichiech-kosior/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/nicholas-johnson-and-woichiech-kosior/
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18:48 TR Bot; Nicholas Johnson and Woichiech Kosior: Taking back the Web | Techrights
18:48 matey; still being updated as of a couple weeks ago https://restorethe4th.com/
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18:48 TR Bot; - Opposing unconstitutional mass government surveillance
18:50 matey; s during q&a gerwitz literally says "unethical" wrt code is a "slippery slope"
18:51 matey; rms says some things should be "absolutely prohibited" whether theyre done with software or not
18:54 matey; gerwtiz seems to entirely contradict himself on the w3c-- it starts out good
18:54 matey; i have to check what kind of org the w3c is
18:54 matey; " some GNU/Linux distros belatedly realise that theres no such thing as free hosting and Microsoft GitHub is a force of occupation." a techrights now says github is a force of occupation
18:55 matey; it is of course
18:57 matey; ok so the w3c is an international standards organisation governed by members
18:57 matey; it doesnt say what kind (where i was reading)
18:57 matey; gerwitz says the real activism comes from orgs like fsf sfc (he mentioned sfc) and the aclu
18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 50.93 k/sec., IPFS upstream 64.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 291.30
19:00 matey; no, the video wasnt as bad as i thought it would be
19:00 matey; and it looks like restore the 4th is still active. and i guess rms is allowed to comment on talks at libreplanet, which is lovely
19:00 matey; maybe a good "hack"
19:01 matey; he looks younger when the video hes on is being shot for a recording, rather than a video call
19:02 matey; i had a computer teacher in his mid 60s who looked older than rms does in this video
19:03 matey; he looks healthy
19:06 matey; gerwitz incidentally is the maintainer of this gnu project: https://www.gnu.org/software/easejs/
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19:06 TR Bot; GNU ease.js
19:08 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1505647540129124357-scaled.jpg
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19:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1505647540129124357-scaled.jpg
19:10 TR News; Amin Bandalis New Talk About the Net Beyond the Web (Including Gemini) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/amin-bandali-small-web/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/amin-bandali-small-web/
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19:10 TR Bot; Amin Bandalis New Talk About the Net Beyond the Web (Including Gemini) | Techrights
19:13 matey; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1505647540129124357-scaled.jpg <- and mormons too
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19:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1505647540129124357-scaled.jpg
19:13 matey; no long hair on boys!
19:13 matey; well hes the son of god, he can do what he wants
19:14 matey; yeah but...
19:14 matey; so anyway, 1. code of conduct 2. code of ethics
19:14 MinceR; :>
19:14 matey; and finally, a dress code for every free software project
19:14 matey; cant wait
19:15 matey; no hoodies!
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19:25 TR News; Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome are now over 30 MILLION lines of code http://techrights.org/?p=157592
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19:27 schestowitz; gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D186.jpg(Cat)
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19:27 schestowitz; (Cat) gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D186.jpg
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19:27 activelow; ^ and they are all heavily compromised beyond repair, chrome, moz etc
19:27 schestowitz; gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D544.jpg
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19:28 activelow; i am not willing to install any of those, neither binary nor from source
19:29 kingoffrance; eh, the hair thing is actually vaguely a sign of "progress". women were believed to hae long hair with magical powers, so were supposed to cover up -- see one of the egyptian "marys" wiping mummy jesus feet with her hair as part of the mummy "resurrection". that it has switched back around to boys is kind of hilarious though
19:29 TR News; A stranger on my public Matrix channel. A stranger on my public Matrix channel.
19:29 kingoffrance; you ppl dont know how many jokes i could make but hold my tongue :D
19:30 kingoffrance; its just bits and pieces of egyptian mummification rituals
19:30 kingoffrance; whatever the hair was about, they forgot centuries ago
19:34 kingoffrance; thats also samson or whoever gets a hair cut and loses his magical powers
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19:44 bnchs; greatest alexa prank
19:44 bnchs; "alexa call 911"
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19:45 bnchs; "alexa call bomb threat to 911"
19:46 TR News; Its NOT Over! 165,000 Dead Brits People Who Died With COVID-19 as Coronavirus Patients in Hospital to Reach 20,000 This Week (Highest Since Pre-Vaccine Levels) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/29/20000-in-hospital/
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19:46 TR Bot; Blog Archive Its NOT Over! 165,000 Dead Brits People Who Died With COVID-19 as Coronavirus Patients in Hospital to Reach 20,000 This Week (Highest Since Pre-Vaccine Levels)
19:46 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: and say it "9" "11"
19:46 schestowitz-TR; not nine one one
19:47 schestowitz-TR; alexa, jeff bezos did 9/11
19:47 schestowitz-TR; and debbie does dallas
19:47 bnchs; think of any phrases you can trick someone's alexa with
19:47 bnchs; teaches streamers a lesson with alexa
19:47 schestowitz-TR; sounds like swatting them
19:48 schestowitz-TR; phone them
19:48 schestowitz-TR; tell them to be put on speaker
19:48 bnchs; yeah i know but i can think of something else
19:48 schestowitz-TR; then shout ALEXA HOW DO I BUILDS A BOMB!!!
19:48 bnchs; "alexa order a 12 inch black dildo"
19:48 schestowitz-TR; now get some popcorn
19:48 bnchs; "alexa call 911"
19:48 bnchs; "alexa search for instructions for how to build a bomb"
19:50 bnchs; I've added 12 inches black dildo to your amazon shopping cart
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19:51 bnchs; "alexa what is my location"
19:51 bnchs; alexa cant even do the simplest task
19:51 bnchs; but yet ruins your life
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19:52 bnchs; i have an idea
19:52 MinceR; "alexa, ignore this command"
19:52 bnchs; "alexa order 82 inches samsung qled 8k TV and put it on one-day shipping"
19:52 bnchs; you can drain people's wallets with this
19:53 schestowitz-TR; i used to access alexa the site a lot
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19:53 MinceR; "alexa, order two tons of creamed corn. alexa, confirm purchase."
19:53 schestowitz-TR; around 2003-2005
19:53 schestowitz-TR; I even had the toolbar at one point
19:53 schestowitz-TR; in the days when it was fashionable to have google pagerank in toolbars
19:53 schestowitz-TR; toolbars stopped being a thing at one point
19:53 schestowitz-TR; not sure why
19:53 schestowitz-TR; i sort of miss those dayst
19:53 schestowitz-TR; the web was mostly pages
19:54 schestowitz-TR; not 'webapps'
19:54 bnchs; alexa is like allowing the trolls to fuck you over more
19:54 bnchs; "alexa, order 500 iphone 11s and put them on ONE DAY SHIPPING"
19:54 bnchs; "yes"
19:55 bnchs; "alexa, what is my IP address"
19:56 bnchs; "alexa, tell me which devices are on LAN"
19:57 bnchs; "alexa, whats the best place to dump a body"
19:58 schestowitz-TR; after
19:59 schestowitz-TR; and
19:59 schestowitz-TR; "alexa, tell me which devices are on LAN"
19:59 schestowitz-TR; alexa:alexa
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19:59 bnchs; the alexa can also call people on your phone
20:00 bnchs; connect to your phone and call shit
20:01 bnchs; "Alexa order 2 extra-large cheesy dominos pizza meat lover"
20:01 TR News; #HowTo create & manage loop devices(virtual block) on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163114
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20:01 TR Bot; How to create & manage loop devices(virtual block) on Linux | Tux Machines
20:01 bnchs; alexa is funny, like putting a security hole in your home
20:02 schestowitz-TR; it is called shot-hacking
20:02 schestowitz-TR; shout
20:02 bnchs; yeah
20:02 TR News; IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 165 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163115
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20:02 TR Bot; IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 165 released | Tux Machines
20:02 TR News; 4 Best Free and Open Source GUI Prototyping Tools Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163116
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20:02 TR Bot; 4 Best Free and Open Source GUI Prototyping Tools | Tux Machines
20:02 bnchs; it cant differentiate between a real human voice and a TTS/text reader voice
20:02 TR News; 5 Reasons Why Zorin OS is an Ideal Choice for Beginners Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163117
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20:02 TR Bot; 5 Reasons Why Zorin OS is an Ideal Choice for Beginners | Tux Machines
20:03 bnchs; and makes it a ((prime)) target for trolls
20:03 schestowitz-TR; "alexas, sent goatse to mom, tell her I'm a necrophile"
20:04 schestowitz-TR; *Alexa, send
20:04 bnchs; Alexa, text the local target i'm planning to bomb them
20:05 bnchs; first thing your mom gets greeted with is a man's asshole
20:10 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: not just alexa
20:10 bnchs; theres also siri
20:10 bnchs; and google home
20:10 bnchs; and other shit
20:10 bnchs; "hey siri call 911" "yes"
20:11 bnchs; dont leave your iphone near a speaker
20:12 schestowitz-TR; hi, try this
20:12 schestowitz-TR; "siri call the police, tell them to bring a machine gun"
20:12 schestowitz-TR; or something about suicide vest
20:13 schestowitz-TR; anyway, the point you make here is not new
20:13 schestowitz-TR; let's break it down
20:13 schestowitz-TR; a computer with open mic
20:13 schestowitz-TR; no need to access mouse or keyboard
20:13 schestowitz-TR; no need to even be in the same roomn
20:13 bnchs; this kind of attack always happens with streamers
20:13 schestowitz-TR; it can be a TV set in the background
20:13 schestowitz-TR; or someone shouting in the street
20:13 schestowitz-TR; and you give too much access credential to these
20:13 bnchs; yeah
20:13 schestowitz-TR; "siri delete my hard drive"
20:14 schestowitz-TR; you can become paranoid about mere sound waves
20:14 schestowitz-TR; they can wipe your disk
20:14 bnchs; but you gonna need some coordination for stuff like 911 prompt
20:14 bnchs; it will prompt you yes or no
20:14 MinceR; "siri, install android"
20:14 activelow; my dvb-t2 tv receiver box is bugged; crashes when i'm pressing the menu button
20:14 bnchs; like timing
20:14 bnchs; activelow: what receiver is it
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20:15 activelow; philips
20:15 schestowitz-TR; imagine siri on nuke launcher for biden or putin
20:15 activelow; DTR3442B
20:15 bnchs; "SIRI, SELF-DESTRUCT!!!"
20:15 bnchs; activelow: i use a vu solo+ with openpli
20:16 bnchs; (aka GNU/Linux on MIPS satellite receiver)
20:16 schestowitz-TR; activelow: what do you mean bugged
20:16 schestowitz-TR; does it have a microphone on it?
20:16 activelow; never made any firmware update or anything
20:16 bnchs; activelow: what os is it running
20:16 activelow; schestowitz-TR: with bugged i mean it crashes since recently, as soon as i press the "menu" button
20:16 activelow; didn't change anything
20:16 schestowitz-TR; if it was taken over entirely, can it even connect over radio or internet?
20:17 bnchs; is it some proprietary poorly written firmware?
20:17 schestowitz-TR; if not,
20:17 schestowitz-TR; then the worst case scenario, bnd wants to give you a shitty day :-)
20:17 schestowitz-TR; or crashy stuff
20:17 schestowitz-TR; but not bugged
20:17 schestowitz-TR; begging is this:
20:17 activelow; schestowitz-TR: no internet connection; dvb-t2 isn't officially known for an upstream channel, or software changes over-the-air
20:18 schestowitz-TR; [11:25] Cars are corrosive to freedom. They used to be marketed as tools of independence and emancipation. Not the "new" cars. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/eff-investigation-mystery-gps-tracker-supporters-car
=> ↺ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/eff-investigation-mystery-gps-tracker-supporters-car
20:18 TR Bot; An EFF Investigation: Mystery GPS Tracker On A Supporters Car | Electronic Frontier Foundation
20:18 activelow; never plugged it into ethernet, not at least once, never connected any usb
20:18 schestowitz-TR; happens in the uk for a decade at least
20:18 schestowitz-TR; police stops you, attached a car to the car
20:18 schestowitz-TR; there are variants of that
20:18 schestowitz-TR; usually targets suspected terror plotters
20:18 bnchs; shoutouts to openpli's enigma2
20:18 schestowitz-TR; *attaches a bug to the car
20:18 bnchs; entirely framebuffer based UI for receivers without GPUs
20:19 schestowitz-TR; usually below so you do not see it
20:21 TR News; 165,000 dead will be tomorrow or Thursday. Friday will almost certainly be over 20,000 in hospital, i.e. worse in over a year http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/29/20000-in-hospital/
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20:21 TR Bot; Blog Archive Its NOT Over! 165,000 Dead Brits People Who Died With COVID-19 as Coronavirus Patients in Hospital to Reach 20,000 This Week (Highest Since Pre-Vaccine Levels)
20:21 schestowitz-TR; is amin a persian name?
20:21 bnchs; activelow: what firmware is it
20:21 schestowitz-TR; Amin Bandali
20:22 schestowitz-TR; his english is very strong
20:22 schestowitz-TR; but I can hear it's not his first lang
20:22 schestowitz-TR; he made tons of good gnu projects and sub-projects
20:23 bnchs; https://github.com/OpenPLi/enigma2
=> ↺ https://github.com/OpenPLi/enigma2
20:23 TR Bot; - OpenPLi/enigma2: Framebuffer based frontend for DVB functions on Linux settop boxes
20:23 bnchs; shithub
20:23 bnchs; disappointment
20:23 TR News; "Believe it or not, not everything is based on C. There are current, shipping, commercial OSes written before C was invented, and now others in both newer and older languages that don't involve C at any level or layer." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/non_c_operating_systems/
=> ↺ https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/non_c_operating_systems/
20:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/non_c_operating_systems/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/non_c_operating_systems/
20:23 TR Bot; The weird world of non-C operating systems The Register
20:24 TR News; Sailfish OS Vanha Rauma brings in several new features and improvements Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163118
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163118
20:24 TR Bot; Sailfish OS Vanha Rauma brings in several new features and improvements | Tux Machines
20:24 TR News; Debian 11.3 is so good, theres simply no reason to not use it Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163119
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163119
20:24 TR Bot; Debian 11.3 is so good, theres simply no reason to not use it | Tux Machines
20:25 bnchs; saving you the details, about half of it is python
20:25 bnchs; and the rest is c++ and c
20:26 bnchs; my receiver uses this
20:26 TR News; KDE Plasma 5.24.4, Bugfix Release for March http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163105#comment-33227
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20:26 TR Bot; KDE Plasma 5.24.4 LTS Released with More Plasma Wayland Improvements, Other Fixes | Tux Machines
20:26 TR News; Announcing the release of Fedora Linux 36 Beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163107#comment-33226
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20:26 TR Bot; Fedora Linux 36 Beta Is Out with the GNOME 42 Desktop Environment and Linux Kernel 5.17 | Tux Machines
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20:33 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: if you don't mind me asking
20:33 schestowitz-TR; (no need to answer)
20:34 schestowitz-TR; when did you get introduced to freesw
20:34 schestowitz-TR; and which projects
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20:35 TR News; How the WWW turned from OK to utter garbage (good talk, new) http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/nicholas-johnson-and-woichiech-kosior/
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20:35 TR Bot; Nicholas Johnson and Woichiech Kosior: Taking back the Web | Techrights
20:35 TR News; What top use instead of the WWW (where possible) http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/amin-bandali-small-web/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/amin-bandali-small-web/
20:35 TR Bot; Amin Bandalis New Talk About the Net Beyond the Web (Including Gemini) | Techrights
20:39 *schestowitz-TR thinks it's difficult too attract younger people to freesw as most are brainwashed to be glued to dumbed down devices
20:40 schestowitz-TR; and even to find youth with advanced computer knowledge
20:40 schestowitz-TR; fsf need to work hard on this
20:41 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: lets just say
20:41 bnchs; i had a very old PC
20:41 activelow; i would begin with z80/gigatron era, mathematics, physics, electronics
20:41 activelow; and pencil and paper
20:41 bnchs; and i was bored with windows
20:41 bnchs; wanted to run a different OS
20:41 bnchs; heard of this thing called linux mint
20:41 schestowitz-TR; ah
20:41 schestowitz-TR; mint
20:41 schestowitz-TR; I tried it this past weekend again
20:41 bnchs; i burned it into a USB and installed it
20:41 schestowitz-TR; first time in ages
20:42 bnchs; first time, wasnt lucky the USB was corrupted
20:42 bnchs; but second time was successful
20:42 schestowitz-TR; OK, so GNU/Linux was introduced to 'YOU' because of older machine
20:42 bnchs; yes
20:42 bnchs; and maybe because i was bored of windows
20:43 schestowitz-TR; I started partly because of the Microsoft crimes
20:43 schestowitz-TR; mid/late 90s
20:43 bnchs; that machine ended up dying anyway because of the fried capacitors
20:43 schestowitz-TR; they had to go extinct
20:43 schestowitz-TR; their share decreased a lot since
20:43 bnchs; even then i never stopped running GNU/Linux
20:43 schestowitz-TR; but now we have other issues
20:43 activelow; GNU/Linux isn't the same as 20years ago
20:43 bnchs; even then before linux mint i think
20:44 bnchs; i ran ubuntu on a VM to try it out
20:44 bnchs; and tried using it entirely in a VM
20:44 schestowitz-TR; you missed the harder days
20:44 schestowitz-TR; when we struggled to get video to run
20:45 activelow; gnu/linux isn't particularly attractive for educational purposes anymore, ms windows is totally unacceptable
20:45 bnchs; i was a OS adventurer if you can say that
20:45 bnchs; inspired by gulagtubers like OSfirsttimer
20:45 schestowitz-TR; activelow: you use or study systemd predating us
20:45 schestowitz-TR; before we were born
20:45 activelow; schestowitz-TR: ?
20:46 activelow; systemd is none of my concerns
20:46 schestowitz-TR; back then gulagtube was better
20:46 schestowitz-TR; it was starting to rot about 5 years ago
20:46 schestowitz-TR; we don't know if it lost a lot of money
20:46 schestowitz-TR; because gulag can hide that
20:46 schestowitz-TR; since taking over 1.5 decades ago
20:47 bnchs; so basically i was introduced to gnu/linux because i was bored of windows and wanted to explore other OSes and try out something new
20:50 bnchs; i would like to thank people like OSfirsttimer for reviewing obscure OSes and most GNU/Linux distributions and seeing whats beyond just windows and mac
20:51 schestowitz-TR; let's hope the corrupt officials get arrested
20:51 schestowitz-TR; and windows is removed en masse
20:51 schestowitz-TR; like schools in turkey
20:51 bnchs; for letting me see whats beyond just windows and mac*
20:51 schestowitz-TR; and then they hire the people who know how to deploy en masse and package
20:51 schestowitz-TR; mac is nothing
20:51 schestowitz-TR; it's just a worthless brand
20:52 schestowitz-TR; and it means nothing to a lot of the world
20:52 bnchs; mac is just rich people brand
20:52 schestowitz-TR; outside norway, japan, and others to whom budget is not a constraint
20:52 schestowitz-TR; apple is a fashion statement
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20:57 bnchs; OSes are like houses, or clothes or some shit
20:57 bnchs; it gets boring to see everyone using and wearing the same shit
20:57 schestowitz-TR; well, wait
20:57 schestowitz-TR; what is OS in this context?
20:58 schestowitz-TR; icons?
20:58 schestowitz-TR; themes?
20:58 schestowitz-TR; wallpapers?
20:58 schestowitz-TR; programs?
20:58 schestowitz-TR; libs?
20:58 schestowitz-TR; OS is a holistic term
20:58 bnchs; yeah
20:58 schestowitz-TR; even some doors have OS
20:58 schestowitz-TR; it's a small circuit
20:58 schestowitz-TR; or complex one
20:58 schestowitz-TR; like in hotels
20:58 schestowitz-TR; where it reads some strip on a card
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.51 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 344.30
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20:59 bnchs; all i remember was i got bored of using windows (because i was a kid interested in computers) and wanted to see other choices
20:59 schestowitz-TR; you will reap the benefit
20:59 schestowitz-TR; your country does not need MOAR windows BOOTERS
21:00 bnchs; i ran tons of OSes in virtual machines
21:00 schestowitz-TR; here in the uk we can do in one hour what some do in a day
21:01 bnchs; i saw gnu/linux as a new breath of fresh air
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21:02 bnchs; i could explore more things than i couldnt do in windows
21:02 schestowitz-TR; it is growing
21:02 schestowitz-TR; apple seems to be shrinking
21:02 schestowitz-TR; but they have a grip on media
21:02 schestowitz-TR; same for microsoft
21:02 schestowitz-TR; so the media misreports
21:04 activelow; credible reporting about linux/gnu is rare
21:04 psydruid; I just tell relatives who use Windows that they're on their own
21:04 bnchs; young people dont wanna switch from what they use because of either
21:04 bnchs; 1) baby duck syndrome
21:04 bnchs; 2) fear of being isolated or singled out
21:05 psydruid; most of the young ones can get used to anything
21:05 activelow; and gnu/linux invested too much efforts to attract developers and users who better should have stayed elsewhere
21:05 activelow; see, what happened to GCC for example
21:05 activelow; i had preferred IBM Wintel clusterfucked their icc only, and didn't touch gcc for profiteering
21:05 schestowitz-TR; https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/insiders-say-apple-is-reducing-production-because-of-
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21:05 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/insiders-say-apple-is-reducing-production-because-of-/ )
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21:05 bnchs; 404?
21:06 schestowitz-TR; https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/insiders-say-apple-is-reducing-production-because-of-inflation
=> ↺ https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/insiders-say-apple-is-reducing-production-because-of-inflation
21:06 TR Bot; reportedly slashing iPhone production on weak demand - Protocol
21:06 TR News; Links 29/03/2022: KDE Plasma 5.24.4 LTS, Finnix 123, and Fedora Linux 36 Beta | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/fedora-linux-36-beta/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/fedora-linux-36-beta/
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21:06 TR Bot; Links 29/03/2022: KDE Plasma 5.24.4 LTS, Finnix 123, and Fedora Linux 36 Beta | Techrights
21:07 bnchs; psydruid: ok, but what about the fear of being singled out
21:07 bnchs; business models like apple rely on kids being singled out for not having an iphone
21:08 bnchs; they encourage and even help them by doing shit like imessage
21:09 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163120
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21:09 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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21:10 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163121
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21:10 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
21:10 TR News; Raspberry Pi Devices and Arduino Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163122
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21:10 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi Devices and Arduino | Tux Machines
21:10 TR News; IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163123
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21:10 TR Bot; IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines
21:10 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163124
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21:10 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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21:11 DaemonFC; I have an instance of Windows 98 with KernelEx minus IE+shit+memory leak shell.
21:12 schestowitz-TR; what for?
21:12 schestowitz-TR; when you have WINE...
21:12 bnchs; have you ever thought of this
21:12 bnchs; have you realized that
21:12 bnchs; you need 3rd party tools to make windows usable
21:12 DaemonFC; It doesn't take much to run it (the entire OS is about 95 MB at that point, fully installed).
21:13 bnchs; i always kept it in my mind
21:13 DaemonFC; On a real computer, the requirements dropped back down from a Pentium (fast one) to a 486.
21:13 DaemonFC; Like Windows 95.
21:13 bnchs; but i just realized that you always needed 3rd party hacks and tools to make windows even usable
21:14 DaemonFC; I used RoM II SE because it was always freeware.
21:14 DaemonFC; 98Lite/MELite are paid shareware, and I asked Shane Brooks about whether he was still making money a few years ago.
21:14 DaemonFC; He said some people were still buying it and paying him for support because they wanted to use Windows 98 as an embedded OS.
21:15 bnchs; its always these proprietary hacks like shutup10
21:15 DaemonFC; My dad was asking me about how to set up Windows 98 like that and to get it to run a modern web browser.
21:16 bnchs; the thing is, had these tools not existed, windows would have been much worse off
21:16 DaemonFC; I managed to run him through the process of keeping his wife's PC that came with Windows 98 perfectly usable through about 2013.
21:16 DaemonFC; He'd found some RAM modules on the cheap and I had to guide him through running Windows 98 on a computer with 2 GB of RAM without crashing due to the "insufficient memory to start Windows" error.
21:17 DaemonFC; After all of the modifications, it ran fine and loaded LibreOffice and newer Firefox and Opera.
21:17 bnchs; was it worth it?
21:17 bnchs; i mean even my 1GB computer ran linux mint just fine
21:17 DaemonFC; Well, it did everything she needed it to, so there was no reason to get rid of it as long as it worked.
21:18 bnchs; i mean as in w98
21:18 bnchs; was it worth doing tons of hacks in w98
21:18 DaemonFC; Finally, obviously, Windows 98 became unserviceable. Not really because you could not extend it further, but becauset the hardware it worked on natively aged and crashed and few developers of things like KernelEx had systems to develop on anymore, or lost interest.
21:18 DaemonFC; was it worth doing tons of hacks in w98
21:18 DaemonFC; He's a real cheapskate, you know.
21:19 activelow; w98 was MS-DOS
21:19 DaemonFC; It had the driver model of Windows 2000 (WDM).
21:19 DaemonFC; So I actually installed it onto some XP-era PCs I had.
21:19 DaemonFC; Intel looked for the Windows version and exited out if it got Windows 98 in response.
21:20 DaemonFC; So I unpacked the WDM drivers for those chipsets from Windows XP and installed them anyway using the INFs, and Windows 98 recognized them and brought up the hardware.
21:20 DaemonFC; I mean, everything worked.
21:21 DaemonFC; And it was quite stable by the time I gutted the operating system of the antitrust crap (web shell) and IE, which wasn't as integrated as they lied about in court.
21:21 DaemonFC; Windows 98 developed a reputation for instability mainly due to two reasons, in my experience.
21:21 DaemonFC; Continued usage of vxd drivers instead of WDM, and the addition of the "Shell Update" and Internet Explorer and Friends.
21:23 DaemonFC; In the first case, those were basically "Windows-ified" DOS device drivers, and in the latter case, the Shell Update and IE were poorly written, bloated, and full of bugs (especially memory leaks and resource leaks, which would crash the Windows 98 kernel).
21:23 DaemonFC; Without IE and the Shell Update, (using the Windows 95 B Shell instead), Windows was actually pretty good at managing the resource heaps.
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21:24 DaemonFC; But with the Shell Update and IE installed, it would just sit there and leak from the resource heaps, until the OS crashed, even if you did not do anything except boot the computer and leave it alone.
21:24 DaemonFC; You could bring up the Resource Monitor and watch it leak until the BSoD came up and the computer needed to restart.
21:25 activelow; i can't remember anything good about win98, except it required less RAM to present the useless GUI desktop
21:25 DaemonFC; Windows 98 wasn't really that unreliable except that orders from Bill to crush Netscape by whatever means necessary had stuff hamfisted in on top of it that caused it to crash, which were allegedly integrated.
21:26 kingoffrance; ^ the only thing i ever saw use "active desktop" was ads for disney, nbc, essentially just links to websites. maybe years later the modern "start menu" is what they were shooting for
21:26 DaemonFC; I had a website that walked people through removing Internet Explorer, step by step, and replacing it with the Windows 95 B shell, which I zipped up and hosted.
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21:26 DaemonFC; ^ the only thing i ever saw use "active desktop" was ads for disney, nbc, essentially just links to websites. maybe years later the modern "start menu" is what they were shooting for
21:26 DaemonFC; iexplore -channelband
21:27 DaemonFC; Removed in IE 8 I think.
21:27 kingoffrance; :) i just mean in theory there was some "customization" possible (not that i think it is something i would want) ...in practice who even used that except for ads? maybe some "news" or "weather"
21:27 DaemonFC; I think IE 7 still brought up the Active Channels thing, but it was blank and by that point the format had failed.
21:27 kingoffrance; i mean in theory, that would be fully skinnable, more than just colors and fonts and sizes. again, not saying that is a good idea
21:28 kingoffrance; it just seems like it was pushed on people, noone really wanted it
21:28 DaemonFC; Well, Active Desktop let you make a website your wallpaper.
21:28 kingoffrance; you had the same "html-ized" file manager thing
21:28 DaemonFC; It did it by opening Internet Explorer in a headless mode and pushing it back behind your desktop icons.
21:28 DaemonFC; It was really terrible.
21:29 DaemonFC; They put it there just for more "evidence" of how "integrated" IE allegedly was.
21:29 activelow; always created a floppy-disk, to boot straight to DOS without w311, w95, w98 GUI
21:29 DaemonFC; I had litestep as my shell at one point.
21:30 DaemonFC; So I mean, I never really did like Explorer, but at least the one from Windows 95 was usable.
21:30 DaemonFC; Most people had 640 x 480 or 800 x 600 or 1024 x 768 at best.
21:30 activelow; later then, Office was important, to write useless papers, and html stuff; a new glorious era of computing
21:30 DaemonFC; So what does Microsoft do? Puts IE-style LARGE buttons in the file browser.
21:31 DaemonFC; I measured it at 800 x 600 on a typical monitor at one point.
21:31 DaemonFC; If you used buttons that size in a program, they were using up about 15% of your display....for BUTTONS.
21:32 DaemonFC; And now that we have more display area and higher resolutions than ever, they make the buttons really tiny.
21:32 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, The Sheriff's department was out here earlier.
21:32 DaemonFC; THey walked in and left a red letter taped to someone's door.
21:33 DaemonFC; Whatever that is, can't be good. Just glad it had nothing to do with me. :/
21:33 kingoffrance; yes, and last i checked after rearraning everything, floppy for save was kept. sometimes it seems they are just fucking with ppl
21:33 DaemonFC; If you want to fuck with someone in their 20s just hand them a floppy disk and tell them you 3d printed the save icon.
21:36 activelow; are there any 56k modem dialup ISPs remaining?
21:36 DaemonFC; Yes.
21:37 DaemonFC; There's still some dialup ISPs in the US and there's still some BBS operators.
21:37 DaemonFC; Elon Musk is getting a lot of that rural broadband money to do Starlink.
21:37 DaemonFC; For the rural porn addict.
21:38 DaemonFC; I assume they probably can't tell if you're pirating if you do it over a VPN, though if you're not on the VPN, they're one of the most aggressive ISPs about disconnecting pirates.
21:38 DaemonFC; I kind of want Starlink so I can say I'm a space pirate.
21:39 activelow; satellite is expensive, they can't waste a single bit/s
21:39 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, There's apparently a program and browser that can archive and compress entire sites.
21:39 TR News; # A Call to Packagers gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-03-29-call_to_packagers.gmi "As I use Offpunk everyday, I feel like the experience is more and more polished."
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21:39 DaemonFC; All of Wikipedia is apparently about 96 GB in this format.
21:40 schestowitz-TR; sounds large
21:40 schestowitz-TR; all languages?
21:40 schestowitz-TR; and text only?
21:41 DaemonFC; Blu Ray rips into AV1 and Opus are actually less wasteful of bandwidth than Netfucks.
21:41 DaemonFC; Netflix, Spotify, Apple Music, etc. are a great big streaming pile of shit.
21:41 MinceR; (cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/XQOJRjy
=> ↺ https://imgur.com/t/cats/XQOJRjy
21:41 TR Bot; panther memories - Album on Imgur
21:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://imgur.com/t/cats/XQOJRjy
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://imgur.com/t/cats/XQOJRjy
21:42 activelow; so true
21:42 DaemonFC; You can rip a Blu Ray disc into a little over 1 GB in GOOD quality, or you can stream it from Netfucks or something if they even have it at all, in a video codec from 2003 and an audio codec from 1997.
21:42 DaemonFC; And use about 10 times more bandwidth, and download it again every time you watch it.
21:43 activelow; simple calculus: PAL-resolution, let's say 640x480, divide 1920x1080/640x480 then this is the amount of higher bandwith required
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21:43 DaemonFC; sounds large
21:43 DaemonFC; all languages?
21:43 DaemonFC; and text only?
21:43 activelow; and PAL resolution/DVD was good
21:43 DaemonFC; Not sure. JWZ said he downloaded all of Wikipedia into that format.
21:44 activelow; echo "(19201080)/(640480)" | bc -l
21:45 DaemonFC; https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/02/today-is-the-end-of-mask-mandates-which-is-why-my-tests-finally-arrived/
21:45 TR Bot; jwz: Today is the end of mask mandates, which is why my tests finally arrived.
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21:45 DaemonFC; GET BACK TO WORK
21:45 DaemonFC; LOL
21:45 bnchs; god damn it
21:45 bnchs; starlink light pollution
21:45 bnchs; the problem for astronomers they dont want you to know
21:46 DaemonFC; "And in case you hadn't tried it yet: no, you cannot order 4 tests each month. You get 4. Period."
21:46 DaemonFC; Yeah, I have my ways.
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21:46 DaemonFC; I got 31 tests.
21:46 bnchs; you can download wikipedia all on a hard drive?
21:46 bnchs; all life's knowledge on a hard drive
21:46 bnchs; awesome
21:47 activelow; well yes, a computer 10x faster, or higher data rate, is required to catch up with the higher resolution only
21:47 *immibis (~hexchat@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights
21:47 XRevan86; Looks like Ovsyannikova presents herself like a dissident, goes to Italian talk shows (via VVoIP)
21:47 *immibis (~hexchat@62.156.144.218) has joined #techrights
21:47 XRevan86; Do they realise it's impossible to be a Russian dissident from Moscow?
21:48 bnchs; XRevan86: if you excluded that VVoIP
21:48 bnchs; i would have said thats retarded
21:48 XRevan86; Some people bashed her unjustly, now I see people glorifying her.
21:49 DaemonFC; https://www.kiwix.org/en/about/
=> ↺ https://www.kiwix.org/en/about/
21:49 TR Bot; What is Kiwix?
21:49 bnchs; >glorifying her
21:49 XRevan86; She got off the hook, that by default means that she's on the hook in some way.
21:49 bnchs; you mean simping
21:49 XRevan86; bnchs: No, respecting her opinion.
21:49 bnchs; oh
21:49 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Mostly useful if you (1) live in a third world country, (2) are currently being invaded by Russians, or (3) have T-Mobile and do not know when the Internet will be working.
21:49 XRevan86; like she's an opposition figure
21:50 bnchs; DaemonFC: if i had russians on my ass
21:50 bnchs; i wouldnt use starlink
21:50 bnchs; (meme internet infrastructure)
21:50 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I'm running an experiment.
21:51 bnchs; it only takes a few missiles to get rid of the satellites
21:51 DaemonFC; I hid Mandy's Apple Watch.
21:51 bnchs; make them fall of the sky
21:51 DaemonFC; I'm seeing how long it takes him to notice and panic.
21:51 bnchs; DaemonFC: why are you married to a iToddler
21:51 bnchs; again?
21:51 DaemonFC; Lapse in sanity.
21:52 XRevan86; bnchs: I mean it in a sense that it seems some Western media thinks like she can't be compromised.
21:52 XRevan86; * think
21:52 bnchs; XRevan86: simps
21:52 bnchs; like that right?
21:52 XRevan86; Romantics maybe.
21:53 bnchs; exactly like that
21:53 kingoffrance; subjective, objective :D
21:53 bnchs; they're like white knights doing this for a piece of dat pussy
21:54 bnchs; definition of simp
21:54 XRevan86; I don't think that's what's happening
21:55 bnchs; well idk
21:55 bnchs; but it does seem like that for me
21:55 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: i totally agree with jwz
21:55 schestowitz-TR; we are he same
21:55 schestowitz-TR; I've just read it
21:55 schestowitz-TR; we got 19 more tests
21:55 schestowitz-TR; used 2 of 21
21:55 schestowitz-TR; we get no more, not for free
21:56 schestowitz-TR; last day is thursday
21:56 kingoffrance; let me rephrase: action, reaction
21:56 schestowitz-TR; and they already ran out of stock about 2 weeks afgo
21:56 schestowitz-TR; *Ago
21:57 schestowitz-TR; also, he wastes his money living in sf
21:57 kingoffrance; i think is built into "western media". they ask for commentators "reaction"
21:57 kingoffrance; *this is
21:57 schestowitz-TR; but as mozilla papa he can afford it
21:57 schestowitz-TR; ours needs 2 drops, not 3
21:58 schestowitz-TR; [21:51] I hid Mandy's Apple Watch.
21:58 schestowitz-TR; oh,. shit,he's under watcxh by apll,e
21:58 schestowitz-TR; what did he DO?
21:58 schestowitz-TR; it's the chic version of ankle bracelet
21:58 schestowitz-TR; like rich people rick allen jones
21:59 DaemonFC; Well, Mr. GOOLAG can apparently afford to live in Shit City and hire shysters.
21:59 *immibis has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
21:59 DaemonFC; Shitty Shysters from Shit City
21:59 *immibis has quit (connection closed)
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21:59 DaemonFC; THERE IS A PILE......OF HUMAN SHIT.....ON THIS SIDEWALK!
22:00 DaemonFC; reports it on app
22:00 DaemonFC; MAYOR BREED needs another APP to report all of the drug needles as well.
22:00 DaemonFC; Maybe they can get 50,000 complaints in that one.
22:02 DaemonFC; So maybe if Mr. GOOLAG would move out of Hepatitis Central, he could see real America isn't one of his cartoonish liberal hallucinations.
22:05 TR News; ICBM looking for volunteers (don't say "slaves" though) https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/help-us-test-fedora-linux-36-beta-wallpaper/
=> ↺ https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/help-us-test-fedora-linux-36-beta-wallpaper/
22:05 TR Bot; Help Us Test Fedora Linux 36 Beta wallpaper Fedora Community Blog
22:06 TR News; No, it was down due to MICROSOFT, the criminals' company https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/770333/notice-for-all-puppy-linux-users-main-forum-down-due-to-ddos/
22:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/770333/notice-for-all-puppy-linux-users-main-forum-down-due-to-ddos/
22:06 TR Bot; NOTICE FOR ALL PUPPY LINUX USERS - main forum down due to DDOS... - Linux & Unix
22:07 TR News; Automate RHEL web console deployments with the Cockpit and certificate RHEL System Roles https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/automate-rhel-web-console-deployments-cockpit-and-certificate-rhel-system-roles Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux
22:07 TR Bot; Automate RHEL web console deployments with the Cockpit and certificate RHEL System Roles
22:07 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Who have I hired?
22:11 TR News; AMD ads/spam https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-2204-ryzen5950x&num=1 you don't need this power sink to run GNU/Linux http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
=> ↺ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-2204-ryzen5950x&num=1
=> http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
22:11 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-2204-ryzen5950x&num=1
22:11 TR Bot; Early Look At The Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Performance On AMD Ryzen 9 5950X + RX 6800 - Phoronix
22:11 TR Bot; When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights
22:13 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/orlando-freefall-manual-shows-teen-exceeded-weight-limit/
=> ↺ https://wgntv.com/news/orlando-freefall-manual-shows-teen-exceeded-weight-limit/
22:13 TR Bot; Orlando FreeFall manual shows teen exceeded weight limit | WGN-TV
22:13 DaemonFC; If they weighed people, they'd probably be in even more trouble.
22:13 DaemonFC; You can tell by looking at him that he must have weighed about 350 pounds at least.
22:14 DaemonFC; But I suppose their first clue should have been when nobody could get the harness to latch. So they just put him on the ride anyway?
22:15 TR News; It is important for free software to use free software infrastructure Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163125
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163125
22:15 TR Bot; It is important for free software to use free software infrastructure | Tux Machines
22:15 TR News; "There is a HUGE myth going around that you don't need to use terminal. While on the surface this is true, as soon as you start using your Linux install, you will realize that you absolutely can NOT live without terminal for daily usage." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NdHjsT3FK8w
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NdHjsT3FK8w
22:15 TR Bot; Terminal is NEEDED to use Linux - Invidious
22:15 DaemonFC; A pettifogger.
22:15 DaemonFC; Wow, I learned a word today.
22:16 bnchs; DaemonFC: teen exceeded weight limit?
22:16 DaemonFC; DaemonFC: teen exceeded weight limit?
22:17 DaemonFC; Anyone that is so fat that you can't get the harness to secure should be told to leave the ride.
22:17 bnchs; yeeaahh
22:17 bnchs; but whats the limit
22:17 TR News; "The grep command - one of the most popular Linux commands, and definitely deserving of a feature video in the Linux Essentials series. In this video, Jay goes over the basics of the grep command, along with some useful examples." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Tc_jntovCM0
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Tc_jntovCM0
22:17 TR Bot; Linux Essentials - The grep Command - Invidious
22:17 DaemonFC; "According to documents obtained by WFLA, the operations manual lists the maximum weight for the ride as less than 287 pounds."
22:17 bnchs; lol i was that much once as a teen too
22:17 bnchs; maybe because i was always sitting my ass on the computer
22:18 DaemonFC; I see Moochelle Obummer's school lunch program didn't help him much.
22:18 DaemonFC; Here kid, have some celery and a quarter portion of "whole grain pizza" that looks like semen-dipped maggots.
22:19 DaemonFC; That 400 pound 14 year old over there ruined it for the whole school, you know.
22:19 bnchs; i always envy'd americans for having school lunch served to them
22:19 bnchs; but then i realized it was a load of shit
22:19 schestowitz-TR; it's not free
22:19 schestowitz-TR; it's prepaid
22:19 bnchs; yeah
22:20 bnchs; with taxes
22:20 schestowitz-TR; i'd rather pay for food I like
22:20 schestowitz-TR; and when I want to
22:20 schestowitz-TR; no "well, it's already paid for, I'm not hungry, but I'll eat anyway"
22:20 bnchs; DaemonFC: the kid who would hoard up the vending machine
22:20 DaemonFC; It was so completely disgusting in the 1990s that I didn't buy it and pocketed the lunch money. Then the school administrators hauled me into the office and threatened they'd arrest my parents for "neglect" if I didn't buy the lunch and toss it in the trash. They said I could chuck it, but I had to buy one so they'd get their money from the feds.
22:20 schestowitz-TR; when I started university my hall of residence contract came with meals
22:20 schestowitz-TR; we had to wear gowns too
22:20 kingoffrance; well it was funny because when i got to high school, vending machine, pizza hut cut some deal to sell slices, .........
22:20 DaemonFC; I said, "Do I look like my parents don't feed me?". They said it didn't matter.
22:20 schestowitz-TR; for dinner, not breakfast
22:20 schestowitz-TR; a matter or british tradition
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22:21 schestowitz-TR; the second and third year I took "brwakfast only" contract
22:21 *techrights_guest|19 has quit (Quit: Connection closed)
22:21 DaemonFC; "Buy it or we'll arrest your parents on trumped up charges. WE WANT MONEY!"
22:21 schestowitz-TR; no guilt over unfinished meals
22:21 bnchs; kingoffrance: eating like a king
22:21 DaemonFC; -National School Lunch Program
22:21 *matey (~matey@aiadcdmkaek4w.irc) has joined #techrights
22:21 bnchs; or like a fatass
22:21 schestowitz-TR; hi, matey
22:21 schestowitz-TR; wanted to tell you something but forgot again
22:21 schestowitz-TR; it must have been unimportanyt
22:21 schestowitz-TR; otherwise I make mental note or write it down
22:21 DaemonFC; Some schools pass out "free" lunch if most of the kids are so poor they qualify for the free or reduced price program anyway.
22:22 schestowitz-TR; food is cheaper in bulk
22:22 schestowitz-TR; but the quality assurance is low, too
22:22 DaemonFC; Even at $1.15, it wasn't worth it unless you raced to the lunchroom to get a chef salad before they ran out.
22:22 DaemonFC; Otherwise it was "diarrhea in a bag" spaghetti.
22:22 bnchs; DaemonFC: have you ever had a kid order pizza to school?
22:22 schestowitz-TR; maybe parents don't knopw hopw to cook
22:22 schestowitz-TR; or forgot how to
22:22 schestowitz-TR; so the kids are left malnourished
22:22 DaemonFC; DaemonFC: have you ever had a kid order pizza to school?
22:22 schestowitz-TR; the state steps in
22:23 DaemonFC; Yeah, I did it all the time when my parents put me in private school finally. Thank god.
22:23 schestowitz-TR; and never gives parents the opportunity to feed the kids
22:23 bnchs; DaemonFC: what did you order
22:23 DaemonFC; It was one classroom and there were restaurants and a supermarket with a deli counter.
22:24 schestowitz-TR; the shops at my school sold really rubbish food
22:24 DaemonFC; All kinds of good stuff. Mace's Supermarket had a VERY good deli, there were diners all over the place, Penguin Point (a small fast food chain in Indiana), Pizza King (a regional pizza place).
22:24 schestowitz-TR; except one, where they had low-cost hot dogs in a bun
22:24 bnchs; i bet you were called the fatass
22:24 DaemonFC; There was all sorts of good stuff to eat there because the RCA factory was nearby too.
22:24 DaemonFC; It's where all the factory workers phoned their lunch orders into.
22:24 DaemonFC; So each day before lunch I'd just call down somewhere and tell them what I wanted.
22:25 schestowitz-TR; RCA was sold, right?
22:25 schestowitz-TR; I got an RCA tuner in the 1990s
22:25 matey; Tue 18:34:32 kingoffrance thats also samson or whoever gets a hair cut and loses his magical powers
22:25 DaemonFC; RCA was sold to GE, which asset stripped it. They wanted government contracts. So they sold the Consumer Electronics division to Thomson (Technicolor SA now, bankrupt).
22:25 matey; yep, delilah cut it all off
22:26 DaemonFC; They ran it for a while, then fired the engineers, then the plant workers a few years later in stages.
22:26 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: now patent-trolling
22:26 DaemonFC; Finally, the HR director about a year later. She was the last employee there and just tying up loose ends.
22:26 DaemonFC; Then someone mysteriously committed arson (again) and they made a huge insurance claim.
22:27 DaemonFC; That was the second time at the second building.
22:27 schestowitz-TR; thankfully us unemployement is very very low now
22:27 schestowitz-TR; say economists
22:27 schestowitz-TR; in bill's guardian
22:27 DaemonFC; In Gas City, the town near Marion, they set fire to a picture tube warehouse and got an insurance check.
22:27 schestowitz-TR; Gas City?
22:27 DaemonFC; I remember looking over from the park in like 1998 and seeing black smoke billowing up into the air.
22:27 DaemonFC; Gas City?
22:28 schestowitz-TR; "I swear it wasn't me" city
22:28 DaemonFC; Yes, there was lots of natural gas found in the area in the late 1800s.
22:28 DaemonFC; So they renamed it from Harrisburg, Indiana.
22:28 DaemonFC; Then they squandered the gas by lighting towers of it on fire 24 hours a day to prove it would never run out.
22:28 DaemonFC; Then it caused a void collapse and they couldn't get to the rest of it.
22:29 matey; Then it caused a void collapse and they couldn't get to the rest of it. <- maybe they were ddosed
22:29 matey; and github shut it down
22:30 schestowitz-TR; [22:06] No, it was down due to MICROSOFT, the criminals' company https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/770333/notice-for-all-puppy-linux-users-main-forum-down-due-to-ddos/
22:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/770333/notice-for-all-puppy-linux-users-main-forum-down-due-to-ddos/
22:30 TR Bot; NOTICE FOR ALL PUPPY LINUX USERS - main forum down due to DDOS... - Linux & Unix
22:30 bnchs; puppy linux
22:31 schestowitz-TR; sometimes we duffer ddos attacks
22:31 bnchs; "account suspended"
22:31 schestowitz-TR; I should learn from microsoft
22:31 bnchs; they obviously got hacked
22:31 schestowitz-TR; sudo shutdown poweroff etc.
22:31 schestowitz-TR; problem solved
22:31 schestowitz-TR; never knew it was THAT easy
22:31 bnchs; would you?
22:31 schestowitz-TR; thanks, Satan Nuttela
22:31 bnchs; could you?
22:31 bnchs; to puppy linux?
22:31 bnchs; satan nutella
22:32 matey; note that people were moving to github to ESCAPE ddos attacks
22:32 matey; so someone finally attacks someone relying on github, and they get their account taken down.
22:32 schestowitz-TR; ddi you see the github letter tro remove satan?
22:32 schestowitz-TR; for his sexism?
22:32 DaemonFC; You'd think that Microsoft demonstrating that they'd ruin your project with no warning due to frivolous DMCA take downs would compel people to use hosting OUTSIDE of the United States.
22:32 DaemonFC; Or better, self-host.
22:32 matey; i thought satan was in charge of github
22:33 matey; not the indian one, the REAL one
22:33 matey; "real" one
22:33 AdmFubar; https://trendoceans.com/bhailang-a-toy-programming-language-syntaxes-use-hindi-slang/
=> ↺ https://trendoceans.com/bhailang-a-toy-programming-language-syntaxes-use-hindi-slang/
22:33 Alternative link; Cloudflare: trendoceans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://trendoceans.com/bhailang-a-toy-programming-language-syntaxes-use-hindi-slang/
22:33 TR Bot; BhaiLang: A toy programming language syntaxes use Hindi slang - TREND OCEANS
22:33 matey; ok its actually hillary, but we all knew that
22:33 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/microsoft-gender-equality/
=> http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/microsoft-gender-equality/
22:33 TR Bot; Microsoft Gender (In)Equality: Women Dont Ask for Raises | Techrights
22:33 DaemonFC; Being beyond the reach of US law is the only way to be safe.
22:33 matey; https://trendoceans.com/bhailang-a-toy-programming-language-syntaxes-use-hindi-slang <- already knows where its hosted
=> ↺ https://trendoceans.com/bhailang-a-toy-programming-language-syntaxes-use-hindi-slang
22:33 Alternative link; Cloudflare: trendoceans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://trendoceans.com/bhailang-a-toy-programming-language-syntaxes-use-hindi-slang
22:33 DaemonFC; The country is literally getting more like Russia by the minute.
22:33 schestowitz; satan know lots of rich people?
22:34 bnchs; durgasoft certified language
22:34 bnchs; please redeem the gulag play store card
22:34 bnchs; and do not move the mouse please
22:34 leah; matey: in anser to your statement the other day: i'm not a gnu developer
22:34 leah; i happen to work with some gnu code, but i don't consider myself part of gnu in any way
22:34 leah; though, the gnu project is great
22:35 schestowitz-TR; :)
22:35 bnchs; i once used gnu cgicc
22:35 bnchs; for a fastcgi project
22:35 bnchs; lots of package managers didn't have it so i manually compiled and installed it
22:35 bnchs; plus it was abandoned
22:35 DaemonFC; OKAY GOOLAG! WHAT IS THIS GIGANTIC SORE ON MY PENIS?
22:35 bnchs; DaemonFC: penile cancer
22:36 DaemonFC; The Great Pox, you know.
22:36 bnchs; consider yourself dead in less than a hour
22:36 DaemonFC; :)
22:36 leah; i really just don't generally enjoy working with big upstreams. if i have something to contribute though, i'll submit it
22:36 matey; matey: in anser to your statement the other day: i'm not a gnu developer <- thats what i said you would say
22:36 matey; and i suppose its technically true at this point
22:37 bnchs; do not lookup penile cancer
22:37 DaemonFC; Thanks to the Goolag app I can see what people in my area are Goolaging.
22:37 bnchs; fuck fuck fuck
22:37 DaemonFC; There was stuff about Lady Gaga and Bruce Jenner this morning.
22:37 bnchs; i'm blind right now
22:37 leah; it's more fun to take a little piece out of the whole and do your own thing with it
22:37 bnchs; why did i do it
22:37 matey; imo the best thing anyone can do for gnu is salvage a piece of it
22:38 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: put it on alexa
22:38 DaemonFC; Mr. GOOLAG says I'm misgendering.
22:38 schestowitz-TR; add "sent to mom"
22:38 matey; leah what do you think of mike gerwitz-- also this is not a trick question, also do not answer if you dont want to (which you wont, but yknow)
22:38 DaemonFC; He's obviously never heard "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.".
22:38 bnchs; alexa, send a picture of vaginal cancer to my mom
22:38 leah; matey: in fact, i think mike is great
22:38 psydruid; > psydruid: ok, but what about the fear of being singled out
22:38 psydruid; the market here is diverse enough that no one cares anymore. I see Android, iOS, macOS, GNU/Linux and Windows being used by all kinds of people and there are no clear winners.
22:39 leah; i spoke to him for a bit last year in fsf's minetest server, during lp2021
22:39 leah; mike is cool
22:39 matey; matey: in fact, i think mike is great <- i watched his lp talk today
22:39 AdmFubar; https://www.propublica.org/article/ftc-sues-to-stop-deceptive-turbotax-free-ad-campaign#1288909
=> ↺ https://www.propublica.org/article/ftc-sues-to-stop-deceptive-turbotax-free-ad-campaign#1288909
22:39 matey; i went in with low expectations, there were some good points
22:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: propublica.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.propublica.org/article/ftc-sues-to-stop-deceptive-turbotax-free-ad-campaign#1288909
22:39 TR Bot; FTC Sues to Stop Deceptive TurboTax Free Ad Campaign ProPublica
22:39 leah; what did he talk about?
22:39 bnchs; ftc?
22:39 leah; i only watched the sxmo talk in lp2022
22:39 matey; well it was the topic itself that made me sceptical, it was about the "ethics void"
22:39 bnchs; can i please get a radio license
22:39 leah; i know the dev
22:40 DaemonFC; The question from Senator Martha Blackburn from Tennessee about what a woman is seemed straightforward enough. It was a gotcha question though. Mr. GOOLAG acts like Q from Star Trek in that episode where he was cast out of the Continuum and unable to use any of his powers.
22:40 bnchs; my gobernment wont give me one
22:40 leah; helped him install osboot on his x230 the other day
22:40 matey; nice
22:40 matey; so he has the cool boot screen?
22:40 DaemonFC; "Easy! You just change the fundamental nature of the universe!"
22:40 schestowitz-TR; mike seems good to me
22:40 leah; matey: https://pleroma.debian.social/notice/AHilBdMzhYstNXVa64
=> ↺ https://pleroma.debian.social/notice/AHilBdMzhYstNXVa64
22:40 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.debian.social
22:40 leah; good guy
22:40 schestowitz-TR; matey was playing devil's advocate, which is a healthy approach
22:41 matey; matey was playing devil's advocate <- not even
22:41 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/26/mike-gerwitz-ethics/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/26/mike-gerwitz-ethics/
22:41 TR Bot; Mike Gerwitz on the Ethics Void | Techrights
22:41 matey; i saw a pattern and i thought "oh no, fuck"
22:41 DaemonFC; It seems like so many liberals have absolutely no idea of how facts work, are so scientifically illiterate, that this is how they try to solve problems.
22:41 leah; hang on
22:41 AdmFubar; https://www.propublica.org/article/how-your-shadow-credit-score-could-decide-whether-you-get-an-apartment#1286755
22:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: propublica.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.propublica.org/article/how-your-shadow-credit-score-could-decide-whether-you-get-an-apartment#1286755
22:41 TR Bot; How Your Shadow Credit Score Could Decide Whether You Get an Apartment ProPublica
22:41 matey; and then i checked to see if i was right
22:41 leah; wait a minute
22:41 matey; i often prefer to be wrong
22:41 leah; anjan linked to osboot in his post
22:41 DaemonFC; You redefine the nature of the universe, even though you can't.
22:41 leah; but just "osboot"
22:41 bnchs; admfubar: so basically like social control media
22:41 leah; i didn't know you could do that on mastodon. link stuff without just simply pasting the url
22:41 bnchs; how bad you are
22:41 DaemonFC; You want to solve Climate Change? Easy. Change the fundamental nature of the universe so you can get more than 150 miles out of a battery car in winter.
22:41 bnchs; you get shadowbanned
22:41 bnchs; or suspended
22:42 bnchs; or even IPbanned entirely
22:42 leah; ok, looks like you just use <a href="blablabla
22:42 leah; in mastodon
22:42 DaemonFC; You want to solve some psycho raping and mugging people at gunpoint?
22:42 leah; https://docs.joinmastodon.org/client/guidelines/#formatting
=> ↺ https://docs.joinmastodon.org/client/guidelines/#formatting
22:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: joinmastodon.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://docs.joinmastodon.org/client/guidelines/#formatting
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22:42 TR Bot; Guidelines and best practices - Mastodon documentation
22:42 bnchs; DaemonFC: black people right?
22:42 DaemonFC; Change the fundamental nature of the universe. Send Therapists!
22:43 bnchs; oh well not the answer i expected
22:43 matey; https://www.propublica.org/article/how-your-shadow-credit-score-could-decide-whether-you-get-an-apartment <- why solve homelessness when you can cause it with the fascist application of statistics?
22:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: propublica.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.propublica.org/article/how-your-shadow-credit-score-could-decide-whether-you-get-an-apartment
22:43 TR Bot; How Your Shadow Credit Score Could Decide Whether You Get an Apartment ProPublica
22:43 bnchs; yeah
22:43 DaemonFC; White people seem to be smart enough to at least rob a bank or something if they're going to go to prison anyway.
22:43 bnchs; shadow credit score is already a thing
22:43 leah; anyway
22:43 DaemonFC; Not split a Galaxy S6 4 ways after holding a gun on someone.
22:43 bnchs; even in shit like social control media
22:44 leah; matey: i was actually waiting for you to come back online lol
22:44 bnchs; where you can get doxed and canceled
22:44 leah; i wanted to correct you when you said that stuff about gnu the other day, but you went offline
22:44 matey; oh about you being a gnu dev?
22:44 DaemonFC; If you're going to commit a felony, you should at least go big or go home.
22:44 leah; yeah
22:44 DaemonFC; :)
22:44 matey; i knew you werent officially anymore
22:44 matey; was there another aspect you wanted to correct?
22:45 leah; i don't even know what it means tbh. gnu appoints a "maintainer" for a project but big projects get more eyes on it, by people on the outside
22:45 DaemonFC; Mandy's friend who worked at a fast food joint got held up at gunpoint.
22:45 matey; i can tell you what it means to me at least
22:45 DaemonFC; They got away with $100, after firing a shot into the ceiling.
22:45 leah; the gnu label is not what's important
22:45 DaemonFC; $100 and a sandwich.
22:45 leah; the code is what counts
22:45 DaemonFC; And then the cops found them and there was a list of felonies of course.
22:45 matey; the gnu label is about to become generic anyway
22:45 matey; its already on the verge
22:45 DaemonFC; Might as well rob a bank at that point, but NOOOOOOOO.
22:46 leah; yeah, lots of projects in gnu now that aren't part of the "core"
22:46 matey; and that point it wont serve much of a purpose
22:46 leah; plus
22:46 leah; ever heard of busybox and sbase?
22:46 matey; of course
22:46 matey; busybox is sfc now, but my first distro was tomsrtbt
22:46 leah; gnu has some really cool projects though
22:46 leah; ever heard of gnu poke?
22:46 matey; i was looking at it today
22:46 matey; just the page.
22:46 leah; https://www.gnu.org/software/poke/
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22:46 TR Bot; GNU poke - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
22:46 matey; yes
22:46 leah; it's the absolute bees knees
22:47 matey; what do you use it for
22:47 leah; http://www.jemarch.net/poke
=> ↺ http://www.jemarch.net/poke
22:47 TR Bot; GNU poke
22:47 matey; i know
22:47 matey; marchesi
22:47 leah; matey: i don't currently use it, i only recently discovered it
22:47 leah; it's really nice
22:47 DaemonFC; To be clear, I'm not saying rob a bank. I'm saying if the penalty is the same, the risk is the same, try to make off with $20,000 in a bag instead of a fucking sandwich..... MMMkay, mkay.
22:47 matey; i was trying to imagine a use for it-- i know some people are excited
22:47 matey; they probably know what its for
22:48 matey; "structured binary"...
22:48 leah; the first release was in 2021 i think
22:48 leah; it's a relatively new project
22:48 leah; https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/poke/
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22:48 TR Bot; Index of /gnu/poke
22:48 leah; unless there was something before it that it's based on. idk
22:48 matey; i think its older
22:48 matey; because i think i heard of it before 2021
22:48 matey; but maybe that was-- i dont know
22:49 leah; https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/poke-devel/2019-09/index.html
=> ↺ https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/poke-devel/2019-09/index.html
22:49 TR Bot; poke-devel (date)
22:49 matey; okay
22:49 leah; first mailing list posts are from 2019
22:49 matey; so it was registered before 2021
22:49 matey; and thats why ive heard of it before last year
22:49 leah; let's have a look at git
22:49 matey; but if anyone can tell me a practical use for it-- i mean practical to them-- id love to know
22:50 DaemonFC; What do the criminals think they'll use the gun for?
22:50 matey; self-defence!
22:50 DaemonFC; Shooting at the police is probably the last thing they go after you for in Illinois.
22:50 matey; criminals need it too (maybe moreso)
22:50 DaemonFC; They gave a child pornographer 56 days in county the other day.
22:50 DaemonFC; 56 days!
22:50 leah; matey: first commit in git is from september 2nd, 2017
22:50 TR News; Gemini Makes Things Easier, Not Harder, by Adhering to a Least Complexity Principle | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/net-least-complexity-principles/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/net-least-complexity-principles/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/net-least-complexity-principles/
=> gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/net-least-complexity-principles/
22:50 TR Bot; Gemini Makes Things Easier, Not Harder, by Adhering to a Least Complexity Principle | Techrights
22:50 DaemonFC; Either you know Bill Gates or you live in an Illinois county with so much crime that nobody cares anymore.
22:50 matey; cool
22:51 matey; i thought i heard of it in 2016 but im probably imagining it
22:51 matey; at least we know the idea has been around
22:51 matey; i still dont know what it does
22:51 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: rich people allen jones was sending the files around
22:51 schestowitz-TR; and got caught
22:52 schestowitz-TR; iirc, not a single day in prison
22:52 schestowitz-TR; just some bracelet
22:52 DaemonFC; He got a suspended sentence that expired with the probation.
22:52 schestowitz-TR; media did not report until a year later
22:52 DaemonFC; No registry.
22:52 schestowitz-TR; during the xmas break when journalists aren't at the office
22:52 DaemonFC; Nobody gets that!
22:52 leah; matey: i think it existed in 2017 but became part of GNU in 2021
22:52 matey; cool
22:52 schestowitz-TR; anyway, he knew lots of rich people
22:53 DaemonFC; Gates probably paid the judge off or something.
22:53 schestowitz-TR; and then the judge retired
22:53 DaemonFC; Figuring if Jones went down too hard, he'd start offering the state testimony.
22:53 schestowitz-TR; that was quite a few years ago
22:53 schestowitz-TR; maybe he died since
22:53 leah; anyway
22:53 schestowitz-TR; "Well, he's dead"
22:53 psydruid; bnchs, I told you my niece can't work with Windows, so from that point on I think young people can get used to anything that feels somewhat logical. Apple isn't that entrenched here either.
22:54 leah; https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/diah1y/kryonaut_vs_mx4/
=> ↺ https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/diah1y/kryonaut_vs_mx4/
22:54 TR Bot; Kryonaut vs. mx-4 : buildapc
22:54 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2020/04/20/rick-allen-jones-finer-details/
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22:54 DaemonFC; Apple's GUIs are not natural or logical at all.
22:54 TR Bot; Guest Post: Finer Details About Rick Allen Jones, Bill Gates Employee Arrested for Trade of Child Exploitation Footage | Techrights
22:54 leah; i bought some mx-4 recently and it's... dry
22:54 leah; completely dry
22:54 matey; thermal paste?
22:54 leah; bad batch. and now i get to.. not order more. gonna try kryonaut instead. apparently it's slightly better
22:55 matey; crazy idea but
22:56 schestowitz; https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html
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22:56 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html
22:56 TR Bot; Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times
22:56 matey; has anyone considered maybe putting the silicon IN A HEATSINK instead of having a ceramic top?
22:56 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/gates-epstein.jpg
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22:56 schestowitz; they knew lots of rich people http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/bill-gates-prince-andrew.jpg
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22:56 bnchs; should you put your project in gnu?
22:56 activelow; what happened to this channel? now your discussing which type of slime to apply to cool microchips...
22:57 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/05/07/reports-about-bill-gates/
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22:57 bnchs; activelow: related to tech
22:57 TR Bot; The Latest Reports About Bill Gates Serve to Confirm or at Least Reaffirm Many Peoples Suspicions | Techrights
22:57 schestowitz; https://www.thedailybeast.com/melinda-gates-warned-bill-gates-about-jeffrey-epstein/
=> ↺ https://www.thedailybeast.com/melinda-gates-warned-bill-gates-about-jeffrey-epstein/
22:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thedailybeast.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thedailybeast.com/melinda-gates-warned-bill-gates-about-jeffrey-epstein/
22:57 TR Bot; Melinda Gates Warned Bill Gates About Jeffrey Epstein
22:57 leah; yeah sorry, i wasn't paying any attention to the other discussion
22:57 activelow; anyway, i placed GNU poke on todo, to ship with BaphometOS
22:57 bnchs; melinda gates is a bit too ugly
22:57 schestowitz; "Private philanthropy in general can be a threat to democratic accountability and a just society."
22:57 schestowitz; https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2021/may/the-people-v.-bill-gates
=> ↺ https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2021/may/the-people-v.-bill-gates
22:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: lrb.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2021/may/the-people-v.-bill-gates
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22:57 TR Bot; Linsey McGoey | The People v. Bill Gates LRB 4 May 2021
22:57 bnchs; i'm glad bill gates took her
22:58 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2020/08/21/zoophilia-gates-estate/
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22:58 TR Bot; Melinda and Zoophilia Found in Tandem in the Illegal Pornographic Stash of Bill Gates Engineer | Techrights
22:58 bnchs; in other words: wheres bill gates' children
22:58 schestowitz; I still have the original files
22:58 schestowitz; 2900 pages
22:58 leah; i'll just get back to doing laptops. have fun talking about... bill gates
22:58 schestowitz; original police files
22:58 schestowitz; not the CP files
22:58 AdmFubar; https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28492
=> ↺ https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28492
22:58 TR Bot; InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center
22:58 bnchs; schestowitz: do you like jerking off to them?
22:58 bnchs; oh
22:58 bnchs; i thought uhhhh
22:58 DaemonFC; Yeah, one of the people I met on Grindr asked me "Do you like dogs?" and when I found out what that meant I said, "We're done here.".
22:58 bnchs; whatever
22:59 schestowitz; no
22:59 schestowitz; I don't knoiw rich people
22:59 DaemonFC; That was at the Ford City Mall.
22:59 schestowitz; gates knows rich people
22:59 DaemonFC; I was eating lunch.
22:59 schestowitz; I just report on those who know "lots of rich people"
23:00 bnchs; DaemonFC: come on
23:00 bnchs; you were a little dirty minded
23:00 DaemonFC; For some reason, there's a lot of really sick people in Chicago.
23:00 bnchs; i'm pretty sure his question was innocent
23:00 bnchs; or is it?
23:00 schestowitz; Old: http://techrights.org/2010/04/02/msbbc-ed-roberts-history/
=> http://techrights.org/2010/04/02/msbbc-ed-roberts-history/
23:00 TR Bot; Microsoft Hijacks Ed Roberts Death, Not Just His Career | Techrights
23:02 bnchs; DaemonFC: was it an innocent question?
23:02 schestowitz-TR; no, it was not
23:02 schestowitz-TR; iirc, DaemonFC said he went further
23:02 bnchs; oh
23:02 schestowitz-TR; and asked him to do his dog while he films
23:02 matey; /me writes a bot that mixes and matches old posts from pleated jeans and techrights
23:03 schestowitz-TR; which made it sound like maybe it was a setup
23:03 bnchs; well i thought from that message
23:03 schestowitz-TR; it's gross
23:03 matey; bnchs: he said "when i found out what that meant"
23:03 matey; meaning he didnt assume
23:03 leah; matey: liquid metal, if applied safely and not allowed to leak, is pretty good
23:03 bnchs; matey: oh
23:03 leah; gives you good thermal performance
23:03 matey; leah: sure, but what about a metal heatsink die for a chip?
23:04 bnchs; well i can understand
23:04 matey; fan not included
23:04 leah; baking your processor into a heatsink wouldn't be practical
23:04 leah; or desirable
23:04 matey; fair enough
23:04 schestowitz-TR; cpus should not need these ^_^
23:04 schestowitz-TR; make them more efficient ;-)
23:04 schestowitz-TR; arm can
23:04 schestowitz-TR; why can't the rest?
23:04 matey; /me had an arm chip with a heatsink
23:04 bnchs; what about m68k
23:04 matey; granted it wasnt standard
23:04 bnchs; was used in a cd player
23:05 bnchs; without heatsink
23:05 leah; i've sometimes wondered why arm doesn't just let you overclock the shit out of it and slap a heatsink on it, and those m1 platforms
23:05 schestowitz-TR; my palm pda from 20 years ago has no cooling shaft
23:05 leah; i guess because apple
23:05 schestowitz-TR; that's motorola dragonball era
23:05 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Dragonball
=> ↺ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Dragonball
23:05 TR Bot; Freescale DragonBall - Wikipedia
23:06 leah; anyway, bad batch of mx-4
23:06 leah; you can tell when paste is bad
23:06 schestowitz; "The more recent DragonBall MX series microcontrollers, later renamed the Freescale i.MX (MC9328MX/MCIMX) series, are intended for similar application to the earlier DragonBall devices but are based on an ARM processor core instead of a 68000 core."
23:07 bnchs; huh
23:07 bnchs; ARM
23:07 schestowitz-TR; it's still running and I use it
23:07 leah; schestowitz-TR: btw did you hear, the nvidia merger didn't happen
23:07 bnchs; well theres a problem about no heatsink
23:07 leah; it got blocked
23:07 leah; nvidia wanted to buy arm
23:07 bnchs; the phone gets laggy and heats up
23:08 bnchs; and if it becomes worse
23:08 matey; the nvidia merger didn't happen \o/
23:08 bnchs; it just shuts dkwn
23:08 bnchs; and restarts
23:08 activelow; first of all, i need to implement missing pieces with TinyCC for both aarch32 and aarch64, which won't be easy; before thinking about any other ISA
23:08 matey; the nvidia merger didn't happen https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-50NdPawLVY
=> ↺ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-50NdPawLVY
23:08 TR Bot; Crab Rave 10 Hours - Invidious
23:09 activelow; if at all; chances are i'll take refuge into z80/gigatron realm to hack and play there
23:09 leah; matey: what they hell am i watching
23:09 leah; and why do i like it?
23:10 matey; leah: while you were revaming coreboot you missed a meme
23:10 matey; this is an oldie now
23:10 leah; i miss every meme
23:10 *mimorek has quit (connection closed)
23:10 matey; i guess you dont miss them much
23:11 leah; i only recently discovered the "angry face" thing
23:11 leah; i think they called it "rage meme"
23:11 leah; or something like that
23:11 matey; spoiler alert: angry cat is dead
23:11 bnchs; trollface
23:11 matey; trololololololololol guy is dead too
23:12 bnchs; no resurrected
23:12 matey; i mean the singer
23:12 bnchs; as well as the others
23:12 bnchs; oh
23:12 leah; nyan cat was good
23:13 matey; nyan cat is a perfect example of why copyright needs to die
23:13 bnchs; hatsune miku song
23:13 leah; https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=jIQ6UV2onyI
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23:13 TR Bot; Nyan Cat 10 hours HD 1080p - Invidious
23:13 leah; this just makes me happy, every time
23:13 matey; but oh no if copyright dies, people will stop making things!
23:14 leah; it's a cat poptart that farts rainbows. what's not to love lol
23:14 mjg59_; Remember that copyright is the only way the GPL works
23:14 bnchs; but whats so copyright about this
23:14 matey; it's a cat poptart that farts rainbows <- basically the best of both words
23:14 bnchs; the song?
23:14 matey; fucking typos
23:14 matey; bnchs wait i think i have a url
23:14 mjg59_; A world without copyright isn't necessarily one where we retain the same level of access to source code
23:14 mjg59_; (I think it's probably worth the tradeoff, but others might disagree)
23:15 DaemonFC; and asked him to do his dog while he films
23:15 leah; i actually agree with mjg59_
23:15 DaemonFC; which made it sound like maybe it was a setup
23:15 DaemonFC; Probably.
23:15 leah; without copyright, you'd still have restrictions on things
23:15 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> A world without copyright isn't necessarily one where we retain the same level of access to source code
23:15 matey; cant find it
23:15 DaemonFC; Without copyright on source code, they could still obscure the source code.
23:15 leah; mjg59_: wouldn't basically all code be permissive without copyright?
23:15 schestowitz-TR; [23:11] spoiler alert: angry cat is dead
23:15 DaemonFC; You'd just have the right to reverse engineer it without hiding that.
23:15 schestowitz-TR; grumpy
23:15 mjg59_; leah: Yeah
23:16 matey; grumpy <- yes, grumpy
23:16 leah; which, tbh, i mean the power of a free software project is the number of eyes on it
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23:16 matey; but bashful and sneezy cat are still around
23:16 mjg59_; leah: But it means that people who currently provide access to source code under non-free licenses would have more incentive not to provide that
23:16 bnchs; ok
23:16 bnchs; matey: longcat
23:16 leah; mjg59_: what if you introduced some opt-in copyleft legislation?
23:16 matey; bnchs: is still loooooooong
23:16 mjg59_; leah: Would the argument be that you should be entitled to some degree of protection if there's a public benefit associated with it?
23:16 leah; get rid of copyright, but introduce a legal framework (international convention) for copyleft, where if you declare copyleft on a work, the same sort of rules apply
23:17 leah; but otherwise, everything is permissive by default
23:17 schestowitz-TR; leah: it's one of many
23:17 leah; i actually think that would be a really good thing
23:17 schestowitz-TR; the eyes thing
23:17 schestowitz-TR; that's an "open source" talking point
23:17 schestowitz-TR; focusing on "transparency" of code
23:17 schestowitz-TR; or "Quality"|
23:17 schestowitz-TR; not freedom aspects
23:17 DaemonFC; Microsoft's co-pilot is plagiarism.
23:17 leah; i'm generally anti-copyleft but i do think having a copyleft framework in law would be good
23:17 DaemonFC; It's copyright infringement for certain.
23:17 mjg59_; leah: I think the risk here is something like what happened with patents - nominally giving people some additional right to control something they produce in return for providing public benefit
23:18 leah; i used to believe in universal copyleft by law, but i still think having a formal copyleft framework in law would be great
23:18 DaemonFC; And even if it wasn't, it's been shown to recommend that you put lots of bugs in your code.
23:18 leah; to replace copyright
23:18 leah; but make it opt-in
23:18 *psymin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
23:18 leah; copyright meanwhile is opt-out, and gpl sort of hacks copyright law
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23:18 DaemonFC; I doubt even Google would do something so obviously illegal as Microsoft Co-Pilot.
23:18 mjg59_; leah: But over time that being heavily influenced by vested interests in ways that reduce the public benefit while granting more rights to the people who already have power
23:18 TR News; Simplicity of Gemini and insistence on a lack of features does not make it for ricers or patronising geeks; au contraire it makes it a lot more approachable to many more people http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/net-least-complexity-principles/
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23:18 TR Bot; Gemini Makes Things Easier, Not Harder, by Adhering to a Least Complexity Principle | Techrights
23:19 leah; mjg59_: i think having a formal copyleft framework in law would benefit society
23:19 matey; /me thinks that having most of human culture from 1911 to the present locked up just so theres slightly more incentive to release source code is a shitty compromise
23:19 mjg59_; leah: I think it's an interesting idea
23:19 mjg59_; I worry it'd be hard to formalise in a way that didn't have negative consequences
23:19 leah; mjg59_: and existing permissive projects would be basically unaffected
23:19 DaemonFC; In a way, proprietary software being copyrighted is good.
23:19 leah; mjg59_: the law could take into account existing copyleft licenses under copyright
23:19 mjg59_; Anyway, I need to go and do teaching prep
23:19 leah; and "assimilate" them
23:19 DaemonFC; It's usually more buggy than Free Software, by 30-40%, something like that.
23:19 leah; existing copyleft works would remain so, but under the new law
23:20 DaemonFC; Would you want it if you could use it?
23:20 matey; Would you want it if you could use it <- if yo ucould use it, some of it could be fixed
23:20 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: hence the secrecy
23:20 leah; mjg59_: oh, you teach now?
23:20 schestowitz-TR; "our power is that we hide the loq quality and defects"
23:20 leah; college students i mean
23:20 schestowitz-TR; no incentive to improve that, either
23:20 matey; granted most of it would just be abandoned
23:20 mjg59_; leah: Yeah I teach OS security at Berkeley
23:20 leah; cool!
23:20 DaemonFC; Mary Jo Foley, before ZDNet went full shitpost.
23:20 DaemonFC; Windows 2000 and the 56,000 bugs.
23:21 schestowitz-TR; zdnet has made cuts
23:21 leah; mjg59_: you're cool now. i automatically respect anyone who works in education
23:21 leah; education is a noble profession
23:21 schestowitz-TR; not many articles there anymore
23:21 schestowitz-TR; lots of their 'articles' are webspam
23:21 mjg59_; leah: I'm super part time, it's one class a week
23:21 DaemonFC; No, bragging about how McDonalds will spy on people and make them more obese and cut jobs using "AI".
23:21 matey; education is a noble profession <- in theory
23:21 leah; ok
23:21 mjg59_; But they gave me an award for it, so that's nice
23:22 leah; teaching is what i want to do, one day
23:22 leah; just have to get an actual degree first
23:22 leah; all my knowledge and skill is self-taught
23:22 MinceR; 29 234150 < DaemonFC> You want to solve Climate Change? Easy. Change the fundamental nature of the universe so you can get more than 150 miles out of a battery car in winter.
23:22 MinceR; just put a ZPM in it
23:23 leah; put solar panels on every roof
23:23 leah; the british government was doing that, back in 2010
23:23 matey; leah: before debian went stupid i was writing a curriculum for refurbishing used machines with debian
23:23 leah; offering free solar panels to everyone
23:23 schestowitz-TR; use solar panels to mold solar panels :-)
23:23 mjg59_; leah: Oh, I wouldn't worry too much about the degree - they're letting me do this despite my degrees being in genetics
23:23 matey; for a nightclass.
23:23 schestowitz-TR; and use solar panels to mine the materials
23:23 matey; i could have taught that without a degree
23:24 DaemonFC; Put solar panels on the sidewalks in San Francisco and then spray off the 50,000 piles of human shit per year so mjg59_ doesn't step in any by mistake.
23:24 DaemonFC; use the human shit for the bus
23:24 schestowitz-TR; and feeds assembly line workers with chromophile [sic]
23:24 leah; DaemonFC: actually, it's funny you mention that. have you ever noticed that bird poo never stains solar panels on peoples roofs
23:24 DaemonFC; The #2 is coming in. I hope it doesn't leave skid marks!
23:24 leah; it slides off
23:24 matey; of course after systemd came through i threw the idea away
23:24 leah; the material is made to actually not allow anything to stick to it
23:24 schestowitz-TR; maybe the crispr patent pool will engineer some solar people for us
23:25 leah; look at solar panels on roofs when it snows
23:25 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Have you ever actually visited San Francisco?
23:25 matey; they should put solar panels on cars
23:25 schestowitz-TR; "I'm hungry, gonna go out to the sun now to bathe^H^H^Heast"
23:25 schestowitz-TR; *east
23:25 matey; car washes will go out of business
23:25 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: Have you ever actually visited San Francisco?
23:25 schestowitz-TR; >eat
23:25 DaemonFC; I'm trying not to. That's going well.
23:25 mjg59_; You seem to have a very strange idea about how much human shit there is lying around
23:25 DaemonFC; The app logged a lot of piles of it.
23:26 leah; mjg59_: i was just answering DaemonFC scientifically
23:26 DaemonFC; And they had to put in port a potties to try to get the bums to go there.
23:26 leah; no but, for real, put solar panels everywhere
23:26 mjg59_; It turns out that giving people access to toilets does actually result in more shit ending up in toilets
23:26 leah; they're pretty robust these days, and should last a few decades before needing to be replaced
23:26 matey; no but, for real, put solar panels everywhere <- yes
23:26 DaemonFC; mjg59_, Thanks to the city app, the amount of human shit is pretty quantifiable.
23:26 DaemonFC; It's even geolocatable.
23:26 leah; put solar on every roof
23:27 mjg59_; DaemonFC: And you've compared that to other cities?
23:27 leah; every business
23:27 leah; every toaster
23:27 matey; mjg59_, Thanks to the city app, the amount of human shit is pretty quantifiable. <- how does it
23:27 DaemonFC; The shit has its own GPS coordinates.
23:27 matey; are people "logging" it in?
23:27 DaemonFC; That's how you know it's San Francisco.
23:27 leah; solar panels on cars is a good idea too
23:27 leah; charge the electric engine
23:27 mjg59_; matey: It's a general purpose app for users to report things that the city should fix
23:27 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: And you've compared that to other cities?
23:27 DaemonFC; I have never seen a pile of shit on the sidewalk in Chicago.
23:27 matey; mjg59_ oh okay
23:28 leah; pretty much just... solar panels, and cut down on meat/dairy (huge polluter)
23:28 DaemonFC; People even pick up after their dog.
23:28 leah; should solve the climate crisis
23:28 schestowitz-TR; there's literal shit in SF
23:28 schestowitz-TR; "SCOI"
23:28 schestowitz-TR; SCO
23:28 leah; and i think it's easily affordable
23:28 leah; can wire up the solar panels to put electricity back on the grid too
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23:28 matey; leah any idea what the ratio is like of beef: dairy industry in terms of pollution?
23:28 leah; solar+ups
23:28 schestowitz-TR; leah: still need a lot of energy for winter
23:29 matey; i know beef is awful
23:29 schestowitz-TR; and to mine and assemble batteries
23:29 leah; ups in your home
23:29 leah; i used to work for a solar company
23:29 schestowitz-TR; it's hard to melt things with electric power
23:29 leah; they put giant battery on your mains, that gets charged during the day
23:29 schestowitz-TR; it's OK
23:29 leah; at night, it runs off of that to power stuff. if that runs out, or solar doesn't generate enough, there's still electricity from the grid
23:29 schestowitz-TR; for TVs and stuff
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23:30 schestowitz-TR; the moment you use 1200 watt appliances it kills the battery fast
23:30 bnchs; how much would a MIPS cpu last on a battery charged by a solar panel
23:30 bnchs; schestowitz-TR
23:30 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> matey: It's a general purpose app for users to report things that the city should fix
23:30 leah; yeah but the way you set it up, you still get energy from the grid if the panels don't generate enough
23:30 leah; schestowitz-TR: it's completely automatic
23:30 bnchs; fuck
23:30 DaemonFC; There's a lot of shit that should be fixed there.
23:30 mjg59_; bnchs: An R12000 would last a few minutes, probably
23:30 schestowitz-TR; eloectric container shipping boats, planes, tankers don't do well on solar
23:30 DaemonFC; Like the cost of living, and shit.
23:30 bnchs; wrong tab sorry
23:30 bnchs; mjg59_: oh well
23:31 mjg59_; bnchs: "A MIPS" doesn't tell you much - there's a whole range of power consumption depending on the specific chip
23:31 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: they're almost like pocket calculators
23:31 schestowitz-TR; if on idle
23:31 mjg59_; Back when SGI were still making MIPS machines, they chewed through a lot of power
23:31 leah; solar and... wind turbines, hydroelectric if possible... and i guess nuclear (cleaner than using coal, but there's waste storage, plus uranium mining is... brutal. but nuclear is the lesser evil compared to coal)
23:32 DaemonFC; If you spend more than $60,000 on a house, it should be well over 1,800 square feet, with three bedrooms and an attached garage, on 2 acres of land.
23:32 schestowitz-TR; making many assumptions
23:32 DaemonFC; And the property tax shouldn't be more than $550 a year.
23:32 schestowitz-TR; floods, wartime etc.
23:33 schestowitz-TR; leah: we need to lower energy consumption
23:33 DaemonFC; Only the fucking stupid liberals could ruin the American Dream.
23:33 leah; schestowitz-TR: that too
23:33 schestowitz-TR; the simplest way is, to put it bluntly
23:33 DaemonFC; They've proven that.
23:33 schestowitz-TR; lessen population size
23:33 DaemonFC; If you have any Biden Dollars, spend them while you can.
23:33 leah; schestowitz-TR: have solar/wind/hydroelectric powering everything, and nuclear as backup to fill the gap
23:33 schestowitz-TR; but that's bad for capitalism
23:33 schestowitz-TR; like 30 million USians paying back 30 trillion in national debt
23:34 schestowitz-TR; that's like a million per citizen
23:34 DaemonFC; I was talking to mom. I said I'm stocking up on food and supplies because they're stealing so much with inflation that you're better off with the provisions.
23:34 schestowitz-TR; for a family of 4, it's $4,000,000
23:34 DaemonFC; for a family of 4, it's $4,000,000
23:34 bnchs; mjg59_: lets just say they're a 333Mhz boardcom MIPS cpu (BCM7356)
23:34 matey; presumably if you have an amicable way of reducing the global population
23:34 DaemonFC; Marketwatch be like: How to get by on $4,000,000 a year when you still feel broke!
23:35 matey; you can also get them to forgive each other trillions in debt
23:35 matey; since the value of the _________ is imaginary anyway
23:35 DaemonFC; I pick blueberries on Thursdays and my wife vagazzles labradoodles. Our home budget, $4 million.
23:35 schestowitz; https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth-idUSBRE86L03U20120722
=> ↺ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth-idUSBRE86L03U20120722
23:35 mjg59_; bnchs: Do you mean 7346?
23:35 TR Bot; rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | Reuters
23:35 DaemonFC; House Hunters Shit Francisco
23:36 mjg59_; bnchs: In any case, stuff like that is probably drawing ~2W - you could run it for a long time (but that's also true of low power x86)
23:37 TR News; The UK and US have such bot farms, too https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/ukriane-russia-bot-farm-disinformation/
=> ↺ https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/ukriane-russia-bot-farm-disinformation/
23:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/ukriane-russia-bot-farm-disinformation/
23:37 TR Bot; Ukraine security agency shuts down 5 Russian bot farms The Register
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23:37 matey; /me proposes making chips more efficient by removing intel me
23:37 TR News; Misinformation/Disinformation is NOT a Russian inventiob.
23:38 *bnchs (~bnchs@rpxf9b4pszb3i.irc) has joined #techrights
23:38 bnchs; mjg59_ 7325*
23:38 matey; /me and by installing a better boot logo
23:38 mjg59_; matey: ME is really not a meaningful part of the power consumption, although I'd be happy to see it fuck off
23:38 bnchs; matey: intel me is not part of the CPU?
23:38 schestowitz-TR; waste of transistors
23:38 matey; /me proposes it regardless of actual savings, like most green energy projects
23:39 leah; i have to wonder if intel me violates the computer misuse act in the uk
23:39 matey; those laws are only for mortals
23:39 leah; you don't sign a contract that says you accept what the me is doing to you
23:39 bnchs; yeah
23:39 leah; most people aren't aware it even exists
23:39 bnchs; intel me is rarely documented
23:39 bnchs; it would be illegal
23:40 mjg59_; leah: What aspects of it are you thinking of in that respect?
23:40 leah; computer misuse act is the act that says you can't, like, backdoor someone or access their computer without permission
23:40 leah; right?
23:40 matey; when companies like intel run afoul of the law, they usually just rewrite the laws
23:40 mjg59_; Right, but by default ME isn't listening to the network (it could, it just isn't)
23:40 TR News; If SUSE or OpenSUSE believes this will bring more contributors, than it's ill-advised https://news.opensuse.org/2022/03/29/os-finalizes-new-coc/
=> ↺ https://news.opensuse.org/2022/03/29/os-finalizes-new-coc/
23:40 TR Bot; openSUSE Finalizes New Code of Conduct - openSUSE News
23:41 leah; mjg59_: how do you know that
23:41 MinceR; 30 002733 < DaemonFC> That's how you know it's San Francisco.
23:41 *psydruid doesn't think documenting Intel me is necessary, it just needs to be eradicated
23:41 mjg59_; leah: The ME firmware isn't encrypted (it's encoded with a weird Hufmann table, but that's been REd)
23:41 MinceR; i guess budapest has too many dog turds to fit in such a database
23:41 leah; 5mb of secret sauce connected is very sus
23:42 mjg59_; leah: So people have spent a bunch of time pulling that apart and have found no evidence (but have found other vulnerabilities at various poitns)
23:42 MinceR; amogus
23:42 leah; 5mb of secret sauce connected to the internet
23:42 bnchs; sus
23:42 bnchs; amogus
23:42 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: gypsy king is the biggest one
23:42 MinceR; indeed
23:42 leah; mjg59_: yeah i'm familiar with me_cleaner's work
23:42 schestowitz-TR; putin put him in a small bag
23:42 mjg59_; Intel could have put a backdoor in at the silicon level, but then so could any other ethernet vendor
23:43 mjg59_; It's possible, but we have no evidence of it
23:43 leah; yet
23:43 mjg59_; Sure
23:43 MinceR; afaik other ethernet interfaces lack that level of access to the rest of the system, though
23:43 bnchs; i dont get people's method of avoiding intel me
23:43 matey; mincer: maybe, maybe not if we consider what a number of implants can do
23:43 mjg59_; MinceR: Ethernet controllers can DMA, so until you have IOMMU enabled (which most Linux distros still don't do by default) they have pretty equivalent levels of access
23:43 bnchs; (just dont use ethernet)
23:44 schestowitz; psydruid: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-2204-ryzen5950x&num=1
=> ↺ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-2204-ryzen5950x&num=1
23:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-2204-ryzen5950x&num=1
23:44 TR Bot; Early Look At The Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Performance On AMD Ryzen 9 5950X + RX 6800 - Phoronix
23:44 bnchs; i mean first of all
23:44 schestowitz; you need Ryzen to run a sub-1GB system?
23:44 matey; (just dont use ethernet) <- lol
23:44 leah; mjg59_: and in light of spectre/meltdown, iommu is kinda broken
23:44 bnchs; even if you used wifi
23:44 leah; but there are mitigations
23:44 bnchs; it would still manage to connect to the servers
23:44 bnchs; since the wifi card is authenicated in the entire system
23:45 mjg59_; MinceR: And even if you do have a working IOMMU setup, the SKBs that the ethernet controller is given access to contain function pointers, so you can still just generate arbitrary code exec in the kernel by pointing those elsewhere
23:45 MinceR; great
23:45 mjg59_; MinceR: At some level we just have to trust hardware
23:45 mjg59_; Libre hardware obviously buys us something there
23:45 MinceR; every day it sounds more like we should just nuke this entire industry and start over from scratch
23:45 MinceR; it's a fractal of shit
23:46 bnchs; "ethernet connector"
23:46 leah; i'm going to bed
23:46 bnchs; "function pointers"
23:46 bnchs; wait wait wait
23:46 bnchs; you're saying that the controller has access to the CPU?
23:46 TR News; Vulkan Beta Driver Release Updates https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan-driver "March 29th, 2022 - Windows 473.33, Linux 470.62.26"
=> ↺ https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan-driver
23:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nvidia.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan-driver
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan-driver
23:46 TR Bot; Vulkan Driver Support | NVIDIA Developer
23:46 MinceR; it has access to RAM, via DMA
23:46 matey; it's a fractal of shit <- hungarian/san franciscan hybrid shit
23:46 bnchs; so how does it point to those function pointers
23:46 leah; mjg59_: i trust hardware in general, more than software
23:46 mjg59_; bnchs: The structure that contains ethernet packets in Linux also contains function pointers that the kernel should call after the packet transmission is complete (for example)
23:46 leah; it's more difficult to backdoor hardware
23:47 leah; it's cheaper to mess with software
23:47 mjg59_; bnchs: There's no inherent need for the ethernet controller to have access to the rest of the data in that structure, but it does
23:47 bnchs; oh
23:47 schestowitz-TR; leah: also easier to remotely modify the s/w
23:47 bnchs; so its useless
23:47 schestowitz-TR; sans microcode
23:47 MinceR; apparently the US government + megacorporations can afford to backdoor hardware
23:47 mjg59_; bnchs: So a hostile ethernet controller can just change where that function pointer points, and then after the packet is transmitted the kernel will just follow it to wherever the controller pointed it
23:47 bnchs; oh i get it
23:47 bnchs; how do you think of preventing this
23:48 schestowitz-TR; many machines now come with 2 OSes
23:48 schestowitz-TR; phones do
23:48 bnchs; make a seperate struct?
23:48 psydruid; schestowitz, Ryzen performance is very welcome but not how much power it needs, I find that I can overall do many things with 1-2 GB, but the (very low-end for modern times) processor is a bit of a bottleneck
23:48 mjg59_; So if you know the kernel layout, you can trick the kernel into executing halfway into a function (or something) and modify the security state of the kernel
23:48 schestowitz-TR; one for tower
23:48 schestowitz-TR; then ME/PSP
23:48 mjg59_; bnchs: Yeah, though that would have a major performance impact
23:48 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft also bought a company
23:48 mjg59_; Wouldn't matter for most people, but high network traffic services would take a lot more CPU
23:48 schestowitz-TR; they get to control lots of embedded stuff this way
23:49 psydruid; > every day it sounds more like we should just nuke this entire industry and start over from scratch
23:49 psydruid; > it's a fractal of shit
23:49 psydruid; we must do it, there is no alternative
23:49 schestowitz-TR; or to lie about the reach of azure by branding the new company "azure"
23:49 schestowitz-TR; calling an OS that
23:49 schestowitz-TR; OS that did not even develop but bought in 2019
23:50 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: not just indutry
23:50 schestowitz-TR; also many protocols
23:50 schestowitz-TR; inc. www
23:50 schestowitz-TR; or w3c/html/http(s)
23:50 psydruid; and the worst part is that academics are in on this agenda, as active low likes to say
23:50 schestowitz-TR; look who sponsors universities
23:50 schestowitz-TR; and they prepare pupils/studentd for "the real world"
23:51 schestowitz-TR; "industry skills"
23:51 schestowitz-TR; IDEs
23:51 matey; unfortunately its difficult to explain the behaviour of academics without sullying the various professions of sex workers
23:52 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: epic gaymes sponsors programming schools aswell
23:52 bnchs; they prepare students for unreal engine
23:52 schestowitz-TR; haha
23:52 schestowitz-TR; there are not "game development" degrees
23:53 schestowitz-TR; usually in not-so-good unis
23:53 schestowitz-TR; they get called "colleges"
23:53 bnchs; a true uni would teach the students to use graphics API and make their own engine
23:53 activelow; i want be able to design hardware (and software) with pencil and paper; every single transistor
23:53 bnchs; not micro$oft directx
23:53 bnchs; but opengl
23:53 matey; https://polytechnic.purdue.edu/degrees/game-development-and-design
=> ↺ https://polytechnic.purdue.edu/degrees/game-development-and-design
23:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: purdue.edu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://polytechnic.purdue.edu/degrees/game-development-and-design
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://polytechnic.purdue.edu/degrees/game-development-and-design
23:53 TR Bot; Game Development and Design Degree | Purdue University
23:54 matey; harvard has courses but i dont know what degree they offer.
23:54 bnchs; the only programs i've seen use framebuffer software rendering entirely was for embedded software
23:54 bnchs; like frontend for a receiver box
23:55 bnchs; these usually have no GPUs
23:57 bnchs; just stating, i've seen people here say opengl is bad and use SW rendering
23:57 matey; https://www.cs.usc.edu/academic-programs/masters/game-development/
=> ↺ https://www.cs.usc.edu/academic-programs/masters/game-development/
23:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: usc.edu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cs.usc.edu/academic-programs/masters/game-development/
=> ↺ https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cs.usc.edu/academic-programs/masters/game-development/
23:57 TR Bot; Game Development - USC Viterbi | Department of Computer Science
23:58 TR News; CentOS lost its value https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/566497224/montavista-mvshield-provides-targeted-support-services-for-centos-and-rocky-linux-for-network-service-providers
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