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00:18 DaemonFC; DaemonFC, do you think you can link the lawyer video on your blog?
00:18 DaemonFC; Maybe. I don't like TikTok.
00:18 DaemonFC; Let's see if I can find it literally anywhere else first.
00:18 britney; ok cool
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01:01 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/16/today-walmart-grocery-pickup-gave-my-order-to-someone-else-billed-me-and-then-had-to-go-pick-it-again-while-i-waited-in-my-car-bonus-lawyer-says-away-from-self-checkouts-or-you-risk-jail/
01:01 TR Bot; Today, Walmart Grocery Pickup gave my order to someone else, billed me, and then had to go pick it again while I waited in my car. Bonus: Lawyer says away from self-checkouts or you risk jail. BaronHK's Rants
01:01 DaemonFC; I linked to a Yahoo News recap of it and some more thoughts.
01:04 DaemonFC; Added: "Like I said before, I think going back to the 19th century approach of telling a store clerk what you want and having them go get it is probably the best.
01:04 DaemonFC; (More jobs. Safer. no legal liability because you were never in the store doing anything.so where would their case come from?)
01:04 DaemonFC; When that system changed, people had complaints much like they did about self-checkout today.
01:04 DaemonFC; What Im supposed to walk through here, find everything I need, and do unpaid work for the store?
01:04 DaemonFC; Everything old is new again."
01:05 MinceR; "Lawyer says away from" seems wrong
01:05 DaemonFC; Oh shit.
01:05 DaemonFC; Let's see if this works.
01:05 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/16/today-walmart-grocery-pickup-gave-my-order-to-someone-else-billed-me-and-then-had-to-go-pick-it-again-while-i-waited-in-my-car-bonus-lawyer-says-stay-away-from-self-checkouts-or-you-risk-jail/
01:05 TR Bot; Today, Walmart Grocery Pickup gave my order to someone else, billed me, and then had to go pick it again while I waited in my car. Bonus: Lawyer says stay away from self-checkouts or you risk jail. BaronHK's Rants
01:06 DaemonFC; BLM figured out how to make everyone lose sympathy for them.
01:06 MinceR; it does indeed
01:07 MinceR; i avoid self-checkouts because this industry can't even make vending machines work reliably
01:07 MinceR; and those are comparatively easy
01:07 DaemonFC; Come into my neighborhood. Threaten to burn my car. Vandalize and loot the store my spouse earns his paychecks at.
01:07 DaemonFC; It's like, fuck off.
01:07 DaemonFC; You know?
01:08 DaemonFC; The riots managed to distract everyone away from police misconduct and put their focus on what might happen to them if the riots keep breaking out.
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01:09 britney; DaemonFC, good job :)
01:10 DaemonFC; Still tweaking it a bit.
01:10 DaemonFC; Added why I really dislike BLM.
01:10 DaemonFC; You still see BLM signs around here sometimes.
01:11 DaemonFC; I thought about getting a T-Shirt that says "BURN LOOT MURDER" on it except I'd probably run into someone who attacked me for wearing it.
01:11 DaemonFC; Which is not how I want to prove my point.
01:11 britney; lol
01:11 DaemonFC; Not just some faux-liberal wuss namby pamby like mjg59_ who would fart in my general direction.
01:12 DaemonFC; I'm talking violent crime, obviously.
01:14 britney; why u always picking on mjg59_
01:14 britney; theres probably a reason he says you spew nonsense, you're always saying stuff about him
01:15 DaemonFC; i don't know. He seems to have actually gotten a few people to listen to him this past week.
01:15 DaemonFC; By complaining about something less bad than what Lenovo did in 2016, when he took their side.
01:16 britney; i started following him on twitter
01:17 DaemonFC; Keeping an eye on an obvious lizard person?
01:17 DaemonFC; I like the enthusiasm.
01:17 britney; he could be a reptilian, who knows
01:17 britney; i dont know what he looks like
01:17 DaemonFC; I mean, he's obviously one of their lower ranking ones.
01:17 britney; is there a picture of him online?
01:17 britney; im good at spotting reptilians
01:18 DaemonFC; Yeah, on the Wikipedia page. Also, a reflection from some shitty Android tablet built into the wall of a hotel he was staying in.
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01:19 DaemonFC; The article was about the shitty Android tablet though.
01:19 DaemonFC; Not like there's any shortage of them. "Commercial Open Source"
01:20 britney; its not a very good photo, i can't tell
01:20 MinceR; "yer a lizard, harry!"
01:20 britney; from his wikipedia picture, i'd have to say no
01:21 britney; i would need to see a close up of his face to know 100%
01:23 DaemonFC; 2017 Free Software Award went to Karen Sandler. Blecth.
01:23 DaemonFC; For what? Nearly causing GNOME to file bankruptcy and make KDE the winner by default?
01:24 DaemonFC; Someone should really patch out GNOME Online Accounts.
01:24 DaemonFC; "Encourages the use of Non-Free Network Services"
01:25 DaemonFC; "yer a lizard, harry!"
01:26 DaemonFC; Lizard People got a vote for US Senate in Minnesota in 2008.
01:26 DaemonFC; After going to a judge, it was determined that the vote would be given to Al Franken.
01:26 MinceR; :)
01:27 DaemonFC; The voter wrote in "Lizard People" as the Write-In box, then filled in the oval.
01:27 DaemonFC; Then they put an X through the oval, and also filled in the oval for Al Franken.
01:28 MinceR; lol
01:28 britney; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Franken#/media/File:Al_Franken,_official_portrait,_114th_Congress.jpg
01:28 TR Bot; Al Franken - Wikipedia
01:28 britney; i can see it in his jawline, hes a reptile
01:29 DaemonFC; "I'm good enough, I'm sssssssssssssmart enough, and Gossssssh Darn it....People like me!"
01:29 MinceR; at least he isn't a snake person
01:29 britney; the problem with his jawline tho is that it could also be neanderthaller
01:29 psydroid2; what exactly is a reptile? what makes someone a reptile?
01:30 britney; pretty sure i'd say reptile
01:30 MinceR; https://www.patrickstomlinson.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/why_wont_rick_scott_disclose_his_companys_secret_legal_settlements.jpg
01:30 britney; psydroid2, interdimensional shapeshifting reptilians, they're from a parallel dimension where dinosaurs didn't get wiped out
01:30 XRevan86; Is britney the lizard people fan?
01:30 MinceR; dinosaurs didn't get wiped out in this dimension either
01:30 MinceR; you just call them "birds"
01:31 XRevan86; I am losing track of nicknames.
01:31 britney; some of them are birds
01:31 DaemonFC; Others are Al Franken.
01:31 britney; they're dinosaurs that evolved into humanoids
01:31 DaemonFC; I loved that show!
01:31 XRevan86; Why would they evolve into humanoids? That's a very ape-like thing to do.
01:32 psydroid2; britney, sometimes I wonder if we aren't reptilians too
01:32 britney; XRevan86, https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/whorunstheworld.html
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01:32 TR Bot; Cerberus Investigations - Who really runs the world?
01:32 XRevan86; britney: Is that going to explain the biology of that claim?
01:33 britney; no, im working on an article specifically on reptilians. ill let you know when its done
01:33 britney; they have a base on the hollow moon too
01:33 britney; either they are evolved dinosaurs, or they're from another planet
01:34 XRevan86; I'm so tired of anthropocentric thinking. Non-humans are not humans.
01:34 britney; pretty sure John Dee first summoned them via a magick portal back in the 1500s tho
01:34 XRevan86; And just by that it's not plausible for non-humans to be humans.
01:35 XRevan86; Unless the person has that special religious belief that the human form is a perfect form, so everything naturally evolves that way.
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01:35 XRevan86; But that only works when one tries to justify the cheapness of Star Trek's costumes.
01:36 britney; i just finished watching a really good show, "Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura". I'd highly recommend episode 1 on HAARP
01:36 britney; its a weather control thing
01:36 XRevan86; britney: "pretty sure John Dee first summoned them via a magick portal back in the 1500s tho" <- This seriously sounds like a joke.
01:37 XRevan86; The Poe's Law is strong with you, britney.
01:37 britney; XRevan86, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enochian_magic
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01:37 TR Bot; Enochian magic - Wikipedia
01:37 britney; "Enochian magic is a system of ceremonial magic based on the 16th-century writings of John Dee and Edward Kelley, who wrote that their information, including the revealed Enochian language, was delivered to them directly by various angels."
01:38 MinceR; could be like carcinization
01:38 XRevan86; britney: I'll tell you a secret: schizophrenia existed in the XVI century as well.
01:38 MinceR; also, the bishounen line :>
01:39 britney; I was pretty close to schitzophrenia - I suffered from psychosis a few years back.
01:39 XRevan86; This is the XVI century's TempleOS.
01:39 MinceR; https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Bishounen_Line
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01:39 TR Bot; Bishonen Line - All The Tropes
01:42 XRevan86; MinceR: "could be like carcinization" <- Right, but the level of complexity is significantly different, and we don't see any evidence that the human form is actually optimal.
01:43 MinceR; \
01:43 MinceR; :>
01:44 britney; carcinization is spot on
01:45 XRevan86; After all, the only species that are humanoid beside us are all our relatives, they're all primates.
01:45 britney; XRevan86, what about the samsquanch
01:46 XRevan86; britney: And of course samsquanch, orcs, elfs, hobbits
01:46 XRevan86; * elves
01:46 britney; dwarfs are real
01:46 XRevan86; Centauri from Babylon 5, Klingons too.
01:47 XRevan86; https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Christopher_icon.jpg this guy too
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01:47 britney; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJphX1WtVSY
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01:47 TR Bot; https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=aJphX1WtVSY
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01:47 TR Bot; invidious.namazso.eu | Trailer Park Boys - The Samsquanch - Invidious
01:49 XRevan86; britney: Not to mention that the sasquatch is supposed to be a primate as well.
01:51 britney; I was gonna say neanderthal and Denisovans are examples of carcinization but they're related to us too
01:51 britney; hmmm
01:51 XRevan86; That would be more like carcinisation of a literal crab, yes.
01:54 britney; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reptilian_humanoids
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01:54 TR Bot; List of reptilian humanoids - Wikipedia
01:55 XRevan86; Straight from the fantasy realm.
01:55 XRevan86; Doctor Who is a good argument though.
01:55 XRevan86; Allons-y, have a jelly baby.
01:55 britney; Allons-y :D
01:56 britney; the freemasons put these things into tv shows as an allegory though
01:57 XRevan86; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towelie this explains everything
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01:57 TR Bot; Towelie - Wikipedia
01:57 britney; Never forget to bring a towel! Wanna get high?
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01:58 XRevan86; It was an implanted Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy line all along.
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01:59 britney; i love the tv series
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01:59 britney; i think the BBC radio program is better
01:59 XRevan86; I wish it were available in better quality.
02:00 britney; you should check out the radio program, it keeps going forward after the tv series finale
02:01 XRevan86; I did.
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02:31 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], matrix.org is basically just French for "Reddit" I think.
02:32 DaemonFC; Conde Nasty wanted to act as if Peter Bright was never even there.
02:32 DaemonFC; But like, Reddit is full of people like him.
02:32 DaemonFC; Pedophiles who say they're woke.
02:33 DaemonFC; Hate groups.
02:34 DaemonFC; the freemasons put these things into tv shows as an allegory though
02:34 DaemonFC; Jelly Babies?
02:35 britney; no
02:36 britney; gnomeisayin
02:36 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-160722.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-160722.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-160722.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-160722.txt
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02:38 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, July 16, 2022
02:38 britney; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llYyGCiLDYU
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02:38 TR Bot; https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=llYyGCiLDYU
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02:38 TR Bot; invidious.weblibre.org | Renegade: The Life Story of David Icke (FULL MOVIE) - Invidious
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02:43 DaemonFC; MinceR, I've created two pests.
02:43 DaemonFC; My cats have started following me around demanding "Shrimpy Shrimp" cat treats.
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03:25 TR News; SCaLE 19x, the 19th Annual Southern California Linux Expo, Will Take Place July 28-31, 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167326
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03:25 TR Bot; SCaLE 19x, the 19th Annual Southern California Linux Expo, Will Take Place July 28-31, 2022 | Tux Machines
03:26 TR News; Moving plans setback gemini://gemini.panda-roux.dev/log/entry/59
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03:28 TR News; Watching Quietly gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/watching_quietly.gmi
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03:38 TR News; The Best Linux Desktops for a Touchscreen Monitor Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167327
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03:38 TR Bot; The Best Linux Desktops for a Touchscreen Monitor | Tux Machines
03:40 TR News; Lawyer says stay away from self-checkouts or you risk jail. https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/16/today-walmart-grocery-pickup-gave-my-order-to-someone-else-billed-me-and-then-had-to-go-pick-it-again-while-i-waited-in-my-car-bonus-lawyer-says-stay-away-from-self-checkouts-or-you-risk-jail/
03:40 TR Bot; Today, Walmart Grocery Pickup gave my order to someone else, billed me, and then had to go pick it again while I waited in my car. Bonus: Lawyer says stay away from self-checkouts or you risk jail. BaronHK's Rants
03:41 TR News; "Software licencing is an important part of how FOSS functions but why do we even bother licencing why don't we just put the code out there for anyone to use." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YzJsaq2K1G0
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03:41 TR Bot; What Does FOSS Code Licencing Do? Does It Matter? - Invidious
03:42 TR News; 65: Unlimited Power! Understanding Laptop Battery Ratings & Maintenance - Hardware Addicts - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/hardware-addicts/ha-65/ Source: TuxDigital | GNU | Linux
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03:42 TR Bot; Unlimited Power! Understanding Laptop Battery Ratings & Maintenance - Hardware Addicts - TuxDigital
03:42 TR News; Dialect is a Useful LanguageTranslation Tool for Linux Desktops Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167328
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03:42 TR Bot; Dialect is a Useful LanguageTranslation Tool for Linux Desktops | Tux Machines
03:42 TR News; 206: New Red Hat CEO, Linux Mint 21, Lubuntu, Rocky Linux, System76 and more Linux news! - This Week in Linux - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/this-week-in-linux/twil-206/ Source: TuxDigital | GNU | Linux
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03:42 TR Bot; New Red Hat CEO, Linux Mint 21, Lubuntu, Rocky Linux, System76 and more Linux news! - This Week in Linux - TuxDigital
03:47 TR News; "Alfons has been testing Limine on some old BIOS computers. A couple of them, including a Dell D630 laptop, Limine was not working." https://bkhome.org/news/202207/limine-3121-has-relaxed-mbr-validation.html
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03:47 TR Bot; Limine 3.12.1 has relaxed MBR validation
03:48 TR News; Ideas from TPRC2022: Tools to help refactor large mature code bases | dean [blogs.perl.org] http://blogs.perl.org/users/dean/2022/07/ideas-from-tprc2022-tools-to-help-refactor-large-mature-code-bases.html Source: perl
03:48 TR Bot; from TPRC2022: Tools to help refactor large mature code bases | dean [blogs.perl.org]
03:49 TR News; Your git log is not a changelog! | agateau.com https://agateau.com/2022/your-git-log-is-not-a-changelog/ Source: agateau | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//agateau.com/2022/your-git-log-is-not-a-changelog/
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03:51 TR News; Audiocasts/Shows: This Week in Linux, Hardware Addicts, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167329
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03:51 TR Bot; Audiocasts/Shows: This Week in Linux, Hardware Addicts, and More | Tux Machines
03:53 TR News; Murdochs Nuclear Option https://michaelwest.com.au/murdochs-nuclear-option/
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03:53 TR Bot; Murdoch's Nuclear Option - Michael West
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04:07 TR News; One in four women experience domestic violence before age 50 - McGill University https://www.mcgill.ca/newsroom/channels/news/one-four-women-experience-domestic-violence-age-50-338615 Source: mcgill
04:07 TR Bot; One in four women experience domestic violence before age 50 - McGill University
04:07 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, July 16, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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04:51 TR News; The EPO Bubble Part V Propping Up the Bubble? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/16/propping-up-epo-bubble/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/16/propping-up-epo-bubble/
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04:51 TR Bot; The EPO Bubble Part V Propping Up the Bubble? | Techrights
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05:06 TR News; [Meme] Software Patents by Any Other Name (or Buzzword) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/16/swpats-buzzwords-2022/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/16/swpats-buzzwords-2022/
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05:12 TR News; "In the US, the authorities can't access digital records of what you paid for or sold to begin with, unless they have a warrant. And to get a warrant you must have reasonable suspicion of illegal activity. Additionally, banks use higher encryption standards than the rest of the internet because... they are banks" gemini://station.martinrue.com/krixano/7d35fd515ad54b18b5aa10026141bbc9
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05:13 TR News; "Nano has 87 shortcuts and we have listed all of them below." gemini://caoom.smol.pub/1658000012
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05:17 TR News; GParted 1.4.0-5 is out https://gparted.org/download.php
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05:17 TR Bot; GParted -- Download
05:22 TR News; But porting it to something that's not proprietary Apple would be needed; what kind of "FOSS" is it when it's hosted by proprietary GitHub and needs proprietary MacOS? https://fossjon.wordpress.com/2022/07/16/another-helper-app-browserbot/
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05:22 TR Bot; Another Helper App BrowserBot Jon's FOSS Blog
05:23 TR News; EPO management is trying to grant a lot of software patents to make up for the collapse in patent grants overall; this necessarily means a profound decline in compliance with the European Patent Convention, or EPC http://techrights.org/2022/07/16/propping-up-epo-bubble/
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05:23 TR News; European software patents are increasingly being granted by the EPO; grant rate grew five-fold under Benot Battistelli and Antnio Campinos wants to take this much further, in effect inviting far worse applications and granting monopolies regardless http://techrights.org/2022/07/16/swpats-buzzwords-2022/
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05:31 TR News; Software:LinuxCNC, Universal USB Installer, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167330
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05:31 TR Bot; Software:LinuxCNC, Universal USB Installer, and More | Tux Machines
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07:05 TR News; Seems quite common to have bad dreams about sitting exams without preparing for them. gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1079
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07:38 matey; techrights people
07:38 matey; livin just to find emotion
07:38 matey; hidin somewhere in the night!
07:38 schestowitz[TR]; heh
07:39 schestowitz[TR]; I'm writing about copilot atm
07:39 *KiKi_ is now known as KiKi
07:40 matey; /me wonders if it was a copilot that flew into the twin towers
07:40 matey; we already had free software 9/11
07:40 schestowitz[TR]; coallah
07:40 matey; doesnt work for me, i dont think most muslims are extremists (obviously i could be wrong)
07:41 matey; also arabic speaking christians
07:41 schestowitz[TR]; that's now what I was implying
07:41 matey; i dont think anyone will be offended
07:41 schestowitz[TR]; anyway, that was radicals
07:41 schestowitz[TR]; saudis mostl
07:41 schestowitz[TR]; the ones Donald Biden sucks up to
07:43 matey; i dont even think of them as politicians anymore
07:43 matey; just cast members
07:43 matey; the system runs without them, they still have to make an appearance
07:44 matey; im not saying its a complete work of fiction
07:44 matey; more like its real life, which is BASED ON a complete work of fiction
07:44 matey; sort of like when you walk down the street and see 100 kardashians
07:45 matey; thats life based on fiction (based on life)
07:45 matey; life imitates art
07:45 matey; and bullshit is an art too
07:45 matey; (then again so is fingerpainting with shit)
07:46 matey; i think warhol made real art
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07:46 matey; but i also think his favourite medium was bullshit
07:47 matey; carlin made real comedy, but his favourite topic was bullshit (sometimes explicitly, but also in general)
07:47 schestowitz[TR]; life imitates art
07:47 schestowitz[TR]; odd
07:47 schestowitz[TR]; I was just using that term in my draft?
07:47 schestowitz[TR]; want to review the draft to suggest changes?
07:48 matey; no ill just keep beaming words into your head
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; mentions sfcv
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; sfc
07:48 matey; see, i was thinking "tosser" and you said sfc
07:48 matey; thats pretty close
07:48 schestowitz[TR]; ToS
07:49 matey; totally over stallman?
07:49 schestowitz[TR]; ToS tl;dr: don't be a tossser
07:49 schestowitz[TR]; Terms of Service
07:49 matey; i know
07:49 matey; sfc is totally over stallman, but theyll never get over themselves
07:49 schestowitz[TR]; "don't be a jerk"
07:49 schestowitz[TR]; "don't be a tosser"
07:49 matey; dont be a complete traitor?
07:50 matey; i wonder if kuhn isnt the actual leader of the coup
07:50 matey; i mean, its possible-- he was in the fsf long enough
07:50 matey; had the ambition
07:51 matey; he certainly has the killer instinct
07:51 matey; unfortunately none of that proves a damned thing
07:51 matey; we know he was involved, we have a pretty good idea why, thats it
07:55 mjg59_; Oh, no, Bradley did nothing here
07:56 TR News; http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/coplagiarist-covertly-relicensing-as-proprietary/
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07:56 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XXIII CoPlagiarist: Microsofts GPL Violations and Plagiarism Tool Created by Serial Plagiarists | Techrights
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08:00 TR News; Light PDF Editing is coming to Firefox Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167331
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08:00 TR Bot; Light PDF Editing is coming to Firefox | Tux Machines
08:03 matey; Oh, no, Bradley did nothing here <- humour?
08:03 schestowitz[TR]; corrupted by moneyed interest
08:03 schestowitz[TR]; part of a pattern
08:03 schestowitz[TR]; bkuhn is not malicious, just opportunistic
08:04 matey; i agree with opportunistic
08:04 schestowitz[TR]; Being opportunistic is a bad trait
08:04 matey; i dont think it had anything to do with greed
08:04 matey; or money
08:04 matey; pride and ambition. entirely.
08:05 matey; a lot of people wanted to be the next stallman, funnily enough
08:05 matey; i dont think anyone wanted that more than kuhn
08:05 matey; i dont have any idea how many "a lot" is either
08:05 matey; because it was too many, and yet not enough
08:06 matey; there were more people who wanted to REPLACE him than BE him
08:06 matey; and open source is all about replacing free software
08:06 schestowitz[TR]; I heard years ago bkhn was presumed the successor of rms
08:06 matey; by pretending to be free software
08:06 schestowitz[TR]; but I forgot who said it
08:06 schestowitz[TR]; maybe 4 years ago
08:07 matey; I heard years ago bkhn was presumed the successor of rms <- thats true, rms is a bigger sucker than i thought
08:07 schestowitz[TR]; moglen is not young enough, I guess
08:07 matey; moglen is too busy
08:07 matey; some people really dont have time for the job of stallman
08:07 matey; for example, when two people suggested i join the board
08:07 matey; i immediately found someone else who was better for that
08:08 matey; i wouldnt have stayed for a week, with all the bullshit going on. it would be a race to see if they got rid of me or i left
08:08 matey; with the writing on the wall, id likely have won
08:08 schestowitz[TR]; last night ei explained to someone rms is a person, gnu and fsf are brands
08:08 matey; signing up to a board position for a week or less is hardly better than a scam
08:09 schestowitz[TR]; some people who entered gnu, fsf, or both doi not agree with rmsa
08:09 schestowitz[TR]; some go as far as trying to oust him, e.g. mlee
08:09 schestowitz[TR]; *mattl
08:09 matey; gnu is a brand but its more than that too
08:09 matey; a lot of brands stand for a fiction
08:09 matey; gnu stood for a reality
08:09 matey; but now it is definitely a fiction
08:09 matey; one of the major things i butted heads with oliva on is the idea that gnu and the fsf are separate
08:10 matey; theyre coinjoined twins
08:10 matey; sometimes you can separate them without killing one
08:10 matey; with gnu and fsf you cant
08:10 matey; that whole theme was bs
08:10 matey; maybe there was a noble reason for it, but it was still bs
08:10 matey; and the fsf has leaned much too heavily on bs to justify taking donations
08:10 matey; theyre a scam like osi at this point
08:11 matey; a front group, with so much conviction it swears otherwise
08:11 matey; being in denial about your own identity doesnt make it not denial
08:12 matey; people can and do bullshit themselves into thinking theyre doing something for a noble cause
08:13 matey; how else would wars get so big and so brutal?
08:13 matey; even in the 1700s, wars were a product that was sold to buy something else than what it said on the tin
08:14 matey; even the american revolution wasnt entirely what they said it was about
08:14 matey; though in terms of results, you cant say it delivered nothing
08:15 matey; i mean if youre indigenous maybe you can
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08:16 matey; and if youre black its fucking complicated
08:17 matey; either way, a lot of the wildest contridictions between what we all thought and what we now know
08:17 matey; are explained REALLY WELL by understanding that the american revolution, for example-- really wasnt entirely on the level in the first place
08:17 matey; then the discrepency between "what was fought for" and what was won isnt as incredible
08:18 matey; it makes a lot more sense when you realise that the revolution itself was (in part) bullshit and "go fight for rich landowners please
08:18 matey; same as the wars today
08:18 matey; go fight for the economy that favours the rich and fucks the poor, please
08:18 matey; we will convince you its noble
08:19 matey; "I'm ashamed to be surrounded by people calling themselves liberal who are, in my opinion, spitting on the graves of brave American soldiers who gave their life to fight a war that wasn't theirs... in a country they've never been to... simply to liberate the people therein"-- gene simmons
08:19 matey; fucking. idiot.
08:20 matey; it was more like vietnam than any sort of "liberation"
08:21 matey; people like that should go fight instead of being warhawks
08:21 matey; see what theyre so in favour of up close
08:21 matey; so he was too old. great, makes him more expendable.
08:21 matey; they can graft his tongue onto another bass player in a cheese grater costume
08:22 matey; oh people arent expendable?
08:22 matey; maybe thats why so many people are against illegal wars, you twat
08:22 matey; but hes a pixel on a screen full of industrial bs
08:23 matey; carlin was right, the #1 currency of earth is bullshit
08:23 matey; its mightier than the dollar
08:23 matey; more ambitious than the tiger economy
08:24 matey; mincer says we will die before the bullshit economy does
08:24 matey; maybe
08:24 matey; i dont think its foolish to believe a little bit in the oppositiion
08:24 matey; on the one hand, theyve been fighting for AGES
08:24 matey; fucked that point up
08:24 matey; i meant: on the one hand, theyve been losing the war for AGES
08:25 matey; on the other, theyre still fighting, ages later
08:25 matey; how do you call it with something like that?
08:25 matey; is it a losing battle? or just a very long one
08:26 matey; i would say history is on mincers side of course
08:26 matey; recent history-- the past few thousand years
08:26 matey; but i dont think its a fair trial
08:26 matey; we killed everyone who did things differently
08:26 matey; so pretending this is how everyone does things is intellectually dishonest, if not intellectually psychopathic
08:27 matey; did we win? again, the other side is still fighting
08:28 matey; weve never managed to stop them
08:28 matey; maybe theyll win
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08:33 matey; In 2007, Simmons openly spoke out against music piracy, and called for file-sharers to be sued.[59] A year later, he threatened further lawsuits, and to withhold new recordings, if file-sharing continued.
08:34 matey; im sure he never stole a riff
08:34 matey; good musicians never do
08:34 matey; In September 2014, Simmons said "The death of rock was not a natural death. Rock did not die of old age. It was murdered." Simmons blames file sharing and that no one values music "enough to pay you for it"
08:34 matey; thats funny
08:35 matey; i blame corporate whores like gene simmons for the death of rock
08:35 matey; rock was about rebellion
08:35 matey; once the only thing you stand for is the labels and money, you have no soul
08:35 matey; might as well smash your guitar collection then
08:35 matey; gene simmons of course, gives to charity
08:35 matey; bill gates IS a fucking charity
08:35 matey; it means not a damned thing
08:36 matey; it doesnt change the fact that rock has nothing left to sell out to
08:36 matey; so thats what killed rock
08:36 matey; constantly whittling itself down from an art and a message to a commodity
08:36 matey; what a stupid cunt of a person
08:36 schestowitz[TR]; pervets like him killed rock
08:37 schestowitz[TR]; groupies and perverts
08:37 schestowitz[TR]; and bad music, too
08:37 schestowitz[TR]; awful music [sic]
08:37 matey; In August 2014, Simmons made comments in an interview with Songfacts.com that seemed to openly encourage people with depression to kill themselves. The comments drew criticism from Nikki Sixx of Mtley Cre who had suffered from depression in the past.
08:37 matey; i would encourage him to get clinically depressed.
08:37 matey; Simmons later clarified his comments and apologized for the incident.
08:38 matey; bahaha On November 16, 2017, Simmons made an appearance on Fox & Friends to promote a new book, but shortly afterward, he burst into a staff meeting uninvited, unbuttoning his shirt and telling jokes. The next day, on November 17, Fox News announced that Simmons was banned for life from their program.
08:38 matey; its hilarious either way, but i think fox overeacted a bit
08:39 matey; if it had been his pants, i would understand
08:39 schestowitz[TR]; he had competition from ballmer
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; did he throw a chair tool?
08:40 schestowitz[TR]; or just the tongue thing?
08:40 matey; if gene simmons threw a chair, it would be on fire and it would smash into pieces on impact
08:40 matey; ballmers got nothing on him. except the clippers and more money than people can really comprehend
08:40 TR News; "step-by-step software installation guide, and detailed assembly instructions" https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-pico-w-lets-your-houseplant-text-you/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
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08:40 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi Pico W lets your houseplant text you - Raspberry Pi
08:41 matey; i have no respect for him, but it doesnt mean he isnt a hell of a stage presence
08:41 matey; but hes a complete douche sandwich
08:41 matey; i like ace
08:41 TR News; "Amazons Graviton 3 appears to have 32-byte registers" https://lemire.me/blog/2022/07/14/filtering-numbers-faster-with-sve-on-amazon-graviton-3-processors/ | Source: Daniel Lemire
08:41 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://lemire.me/blog/2022/07/14/filtering-numbers-faster-with-sve-on-amazon-graviton-3-processors/ )
08:41 TR News; ">In the world of open source theres always this notion" https://hisham.hm/2022/07/12/finally-got-rid-of-a-and-b-in-git-diff-outputs/ | Source: Hisham
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08:41 matey; ace called simmons an arsehole and sex addict (after simmons groped his wife)
08:42 TR News; [Old] "The Fediverse is a complicated concept and, for better or worse, its structure doesn't lend itself to easily sharing content." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/06/create-a-share-to-mastodon-button-for-wordpress/ | Source: Terence Eden
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08:42 TR Bot; Create a Share To Mastodon Button for WordPress Terence Edens Blog
08:42 matey; also ace is a hell of a guitarist
08:43 matey; "Gene Simmons vs. Anonymous: Who's the bigger tool?". Ars Technica. October 18, 2010
08:43 schestowitz[TR]; slash is still kicking
08:43 schestowitz[TR]; you can find medleys of his skills
08:43 matey; nneither, the bigger tool is the guy from arse technica
08:44 matey; O'Neal, Sean (August 15, 2014). "Gene Simmons continues asshole tour by telling depressed people to kill themselves". The AV Club. Retrieved August 15, 2014.
08:44 matey; this really caps it off though: "Gene Simmons sorry for 'spur of the moment' remarks about mental illness"
08:44 matey; i mean
08:44 matey; his family are holocaust survivors
08:44 matey; and hes basically rattling off support for the t4 programme (the d-i-y edition)
08:45 matey; at least he retracted it.
08:45 matey; but it shows you what a coke head (or i have no idea what drugs hes done, maybe he just ACTS like a coke head) he really is
08:46 matey; has there ever been a shred of evidence of ballmer doing coke?
08:46 matey; asking for a friend
08:47 matey; if you put kevin and ryan from the office into the fly chamber, youd get ballmer
08:48 matey; article suggests hes straight-edge (no drugs)
08:48 matey; really really hard to believe
08:48 matey; "Gene Simmons Doesn't Drink or Do Drugs Because of His Mother".
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08:53 matey; cory doctorow said people who say they dont download music are like people from victorian times who said they dont masturbate
08:53 matey; this is another reason i really really really hate the anti-file-sharing musicians
08:53 matey; theyre fucking liars
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08:54 matey; before it was file sharing it was tape copying
08:54 matey; they came out with all the same campaigns against it
08:54 matey; but tape copying is how people became famous
08:54 matey; and everyone did it
08:54 matey; and musicians get most of the money from the fucking concert ticket sales
08:55 matey; so lets blame fans for doing what not only everyone does, but they always have done, including the hypocrites who pretend they didnt
08:55 matey; there used to be a website that covered what different bands said about file sharers
08:55 matey; def leppard was pretty cool
08:56 matey; they said they had mixed feelings-- sure they had concerns, but on the other hand...
08:56 matey; they said they saw young people at their concerts, and they know the only reason they were there is they got their music somehow, probably not at a store
08:56 matey; so they were happy about that part of it at least
08:57 matey; richard marx and weird al are the best of the best though
08:57 matey; weird al even did a song called "dont download this song"
08:57 matey; then he made it available as a free download
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08:59 matey; i still play "doctor love" sometimes, once or twice every few years
08:59 matey; other than that, i simply stopped giving a shit about kiss altogether
08:59 matey; "this is my attitude: love it or leave it." or leave it. or leave it.
09:00 matey; musicians who hate file-sharers hate fans and dont want people to listen to them
09:00 matey; okay, have it your way ms. allen
09:01 matey; same for sheryl crow
09:01 matey; i guess shes an auntie
09:01 matey; auntie-sheyrl
09:02 matey; software authors that have a beef with software freedom are no better
09:02 TR News; Inside the Minds of Microsofts Media Operatives Part I Bishops in Rooks | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/microsoft-bishops/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/17/microsoft-bishops/
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09:03 matey; gnome tries to control everything. systemd tries to control everything
09:03 matey; these are anti-free-software projects
09:03 matey; fight for your freedom-- then one day, give it all back to the corporations
09:03 matey; just because, its better that way
09:03 matey; sure, heres the source code
09:04 matey; its just as useless as the binaries. weve made sure of it.
09:04 matey; you dont really have the complete source code of gnome unless youve snorted coke off a pig wearing lipstick and a thong and heels.
09:05 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167332
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09:05 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
09:05 matey; i dont know which freedom that is, but i prefer freedom 4 on that one
09:06 matey; the freedom to run away from gnome, screaming
09:07 matey; unless youve snorted coke off a pig wearing lipstick and a thong and heels. <- you or the pig?
09:07 matey; probably another thing they want to specify if theyre going to for gpl compliance
09:07 matey; maybe both
09:20 TR News; "With Bungie now officially part of Sony and Take-Two completing its acquisition of Zynga" https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/15/23220335/bungie-sony-acquisition-complete-official-done | Source: The Verge
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09:20 TR Bot; Sony officially closes $3.6 billion acquisition of Bungie - The Verge
09:21 TR News; "Time crystals have no practical use, and they dont look anything like natural crystals." https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/time-crystals-rcna37654 | Source: NBC
=> ↺ https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/time-crystals-rcna37654
09:21 TR Bot; What are time crystals? And why are they so weird?
09:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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09:31 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=fAClGJZb9xI
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09:31 TR Bot; When a Biplane Took Out 9 Jets #shorts - Invidious
09:33 mjg59_; matey: Bradley certainly has opinions about RMS, but he didn't trigger his resignation
09:35 TR News; "Alfred Demirjian, founder and CEO of TechFusion, has spent the past 35 years in digital forensics" https://text.npr.org/1111778878 | Source: NPR
=> ↺ https://text.npr.org/1111778878
09:35 TR Bot; When it comes to data on your phone, deleting a text isn't the end of the story
09:35 TR News; "Shamir's Secret Sharing (henceforth "SSS") is clever" https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/07/how-does-shamirs-secret-sharing-deal-with-the-murder-on-the-orient-express-problem/ | Source: Terence Eden
09:35 TR Bot; How does Shamirs Secret Sharing deal with the Murder on the Orient Express Problem? Terence Edens Blog
09:37 TR News; "Delaware Chancery Court will determine whether Musk remains obligated to purchase Twitter" https://abcnews.go.com/Business/elon-musk-responds-twitters-44-billion-lawsuit/story?id=86911513 | Source: ABC
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09:37 TR Bot; Elon Musk reacts to Twitters $44 billion lawsuit - ABC News
09:39 TR News; "preparation of the 2022 Rule of Law Report" https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/upholding-rule-law/rule-law/rule-law-mechanism/2022-rule-law-report_en | European Commission, stop lying and crack down on EPO CRIMES. http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/breton-lies-again/
=> ↺ https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/upholding-rule-law/rule-law/rule-law-mechanism/2022-rule-law-report_en
=> http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/breton-lies-again/
09:39 TR Bot; 2022 Rule of law report | European Commission
09:39 TR Bot; Mr. Breton and EPO Corruption (Propelling an Assault on the Rule of Law and on the Courts Themselves) Endanger the Legitimacy of the EU | Techrights
09:39 matey; i could form a ridiculous inception-like theory where hes a minor player and sort of framed
09:39 TR News; "privatization of broadband infrastructure" https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/07/surveillance-capitalism-a-symptom-of-web-dependent-companies-not-ownership/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast
09:39 TR Bot; Surveillance Capitalism a Symptom of Web-Dependent Companies, Not Ownership : Broadband Breakfast
09:39 matey; but it would mean one of the most innocent figures was framing him, or being used to frame him
09:39 matey; i mean the possibilities are endless
09:40 TR News; "Thousands of tweets, YouTube videos, and other social media posts have been reported as Russian propaganda or anti-Ukrainian hate speech by Ukrainian officials" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/big-tech-firms-fail-to-take-down-russian-propaganda-posts-says-ukraine/92922060 | Source: India Times
09:40 TR Bot; russian propaganda: Big Tech firms fail to take down Russian propaganda posts, says Ukraine, CIO News, ET CIO
09:40 matey; one of things about an anti-rms-coalition of thousands
09:40 matey; is that its damned near impossible to tell who the leader is
09:40 TR News; "In Bulgaria, the Kremlin paid journalists, political analysts and other influential citizens 2,000 euros a month to post pro-Russian content" https://www.voanews.com/a/russia-s-information-war-expands-through-eastern-europe-/6662042.html | Source: VOA News
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09:40 TR Bot; Russia's Information War Expands Through Eastern Europe
09:40 matey; am i sure it even matters? not at all
09:40 matey; but ive been trying to figure it out for years
09:40 matey; its an extremely important chapter in free software history
09:41 matey; and it will remain a pivotal point in free softwares trajectory
09:41 matey; i almost feel sorry for anyone who thought it would improve anything
09:41 TR News; "This sort of overreach is generally known as the Scunthorpe Problem." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/07/saay-what/ | Source: Terence Eden
=> ↺ https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/07/saay-what/
09:41 TR Bot; Saay What? Terence Edens Blog
09:42 TR News; "The two leaders are beginning a series of meetings through which the Biden administration hopes to improve relations between the two countries" https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/joe-biden-mohammed-bin-salman-fist-bump-1383809/ | Source: Rolling Stone
09:42 TR Bot; Biden Fist-Bumps Mohammed bin Salman During Saudi Visit - Rolling Stone
09:42 matey; its funny because there was a point where i thought stallman was to blame
09:42 matey; and i wanted him to step down
09:43 TR News; Price of eggs at Aldi nearly doubled in a few months!
09:43 matey; but the moment a group sprand up to demand this, i realised there was something going on i had known nothing about
09:43 matey; imo stallman had stopped running things even before 2019
09:43 matey; when? thats another one i dont know
09:44 matey; you know the scene in labyrinth where one guy only tells the truth and the other only lies?
09:45 matey; raise that to the 9th power and thats what its like trying to figure out exactly what happened
09:45 matey; the people that know cant be trusted
09:45 matey; and the people who can be trusted dont know
09:46 matey; hilarity ensues
09:46 matey; and by hilarity i mean travesty
09:47 matey; but theyre at least related
09:48 TR News; "56% of all global data traffic last year." https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/eus-vestager-assessing-if-tech-giants-should-share-telecoms-network-costs-2022-05-02/ | Source: Reuters
09:48 TR Bot; Vestager assessing if tech giants should share telecoms network costs | Reuters
09:48 TR News; Digital News Publishers Association (DNPA) https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/internet/government-wants-big-tech-to-pay-news-outlets-for-content/92912526 | Source: India Times
09:48 TR Bot; big tech: Government wants Big Tech to pay news outlets for content, CIO News, ET CIO
09:48 matey; complicating things further is the fact that outside of labyrinth, the liars sometimes tell the truth, and everyone lies about something sometime
09:48 matey; more hilarity ensues
09:48 matey; and thus history is made
09:49 matey; not unlike sausage
09:49 matey; maybe even worse
09:49 TR News; "There were around 4,000 reports from the United States and over one thousand each from France and India on Downdetector, which collates status reports from a number of sources" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/netflix-says-facing-streaming-issues-across-all-devices/92912514 | Source: India Times
09:49 TR Bot; netflix inc: Netflix says facing streaming issues across all devices, CIO News, ET CIO
09:49 TR News; "The TPM freaking out is a problem I ran into when I applied an official Lenovo UEFI update for March of 2021 on my ThinkBook" https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/14/security-expert-matthew-garrett-blows-up-windows-by-enabling-the-microsoft-3rd-party-uefi-ca-certificate-then-says-the-bitlocker-backdoor-for-police-saved-his-data-from-the-tpm/ | Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer)
09:49 TR Bot; Security expert Matthew Garrett blows up Windows by enabling the Microsoft 3rd Party UEFI CA certificate, then says the Bitlocker Backdoor (for police) saved his data from the TPM. BaronHK's Rants
09:50 matey; we cant even say whats done is done
09:50 matey; actually, some people do say exactly that
09:51 TR News; "People can use them for extortion or harassment or in some cases to file claims to monetize somebody else's videos" https://text.npr.org/1111588405 | Source: NPR
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09:51 TR Bot; Lofi Girl disappeared from YouTube and reignited debate over bogus copyright claims
09:51 matey; whats done is still being done
09:51 TR News; "DMCA takedown notice for its two lo-fi hip-hop beats to relax/study to video streams on Sunday" https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23205248/lofi-girl-hip-hop-beats-channel-dmca-takedown-restored | Source: The Verge
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09:51 TR Bot; Lofi Girl is back online after abusive copyright strikes - The Verge
09:51 matey; after the invasion of iraq came the occupation of iraq
09:52 matey; fancy a vichy france where no one had any idea who hitler was
09:52 matey; now thats a fucking coup
09:54 matey; twist ending: the person who led the coup against stallman was:
09:54 matey; none other than stallman himself!
09:55 matey; like warren beatty in bulworth
09:56 matey; but why?
09:56 matey; lieplanet wanted (and got) loyalty oaths
09:56 matey; stallman was dead against them
09:56 matey; so instead he staged a whole coup to find out which side was which, and expose the people trying to destroy him
09:57 matey; (of course if he was that clever he would have done something about systemd)
09:57 matey; but the "we have everything under control" myth is the biggest crap to come out of the fsf in 35 years, so
09:57 matey; im not buying it, its just for laughs
09:58 TR News; DMCA. "Lofi Girl is far from alone" https://www.forbes.com/sites/phoebeliu/2022/07/12/lofi-girl-returns-youtube-apologizes-for-removing-popular-music-stream-due-to-abusive-copyright-notice/ | Source: Forbes
09:58 TR Bot; Lofi Girl Returns: YouTube Apologizes For Removing Popular Music Stream Due To Abusive Copyright Notice
09:58 TR News; "Lofi Girl, founded by a French creator known only as Dimitri, owns the rights to all the music" https://www.smh.com.au/culture/tv-and-radio/youtube-removes-internet-s-favourite-background-music-over-bogus-copyright-claim-20220711-p5b0s2.html | Source: Sydney Morning Herald
09:58 TR Bot; Lofi Girl: YouTube removes beats to relax/study to videos over bogus copyright claim
09:59 TR News; "YouTube's copyright claim system has faced lots of complaints from creators" https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-62133768 | Source: BBC
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09:59 TR Bot; Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream - BBC News
09:59 matey; an even kinder and cleverer theory
09:59 matey; but this one is self-serving
09:59 matey; stallman deliberately gutted the fsf because it was too much of a monopoly
10:00 matey; so that a new federation would be forced to construct itself
10:00 matey; but i think hes far more conservative, and prefers to micromanage
10:01 matey; if a country nuked itself in the hopes of making a nuke-proof citizenry
10:01 TR News; Re: Re: The Cheapest Cup of Tea in Town gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-07-17-re-re-the-cheapest-cup-of-tea-in-town.gmi
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10:01 matey; then i can see stallman doing this
10:01 matey; the theory i actually hold is this
10:01 matey; some people thought they had good intentions
10:01 matey; and no one that has a clue what theyre doing is still around
10:02 TR News; Renaming HFNP to Netamict; SourceHut deployment experience gemini://tilde.team/~aprilnightk/gemlog/2022/07/17-netamict.gmi
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10:02 matey; and everything is fucked, organisationally
10:02 matey; and the fsf will die horribly
10:02 matey; of course theres a sinister, deliberate factor
10:03 matey; but ive already said that its incredibly difficult to pinpoint it
10:03 matey; you can poke at it, as long as palm-width accuracy is good enough for your touchscreen
10:04 matey; its hard to follow the money
10:04 matey; when the money is fucking everywhere you turn
10:04 TR News; "an infrastructure redesign." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-160722.html#tJul%2016%2018:27:31
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10:04 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, July 16, 2022
10:05 matey; even harder when you know that some people dont give a shit about that, theyre just career reformers and did it out of pride and ambition
10:05 matey; more hilarity ensues
10:06 TR News; EFF ? https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/eff
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10:06 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Eff
10:06 matey; i hope this doesnt turn into another jfk unsolved mystery
10:06 matey; that would be really obnoxious
10:06 TR News; "I've been trying to use Lynx." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-150722.html#tJul%2015%2018:34:42
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10:06 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, July 15, 2022
10:07 matey; so far its a bit like that
10:07 TR News; "In post, we will cover how to install minikube on Fedora 36 step by step." https://www.linuxbuzz.com/how-to-install-minikube-on-fedora/ | Source: Linux Buzz
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10:07 TR Bot; How to Install Minikube on Fedora 36 Step by Step
10:07 TR News; NXP NPU i.MX 8M https://linuxgizmos.com/debix-model-a-packs-i-mx-8m-plus-and-mirrors-rpi-form-factor-2/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
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10:07 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/debix-model-a-packs-i-mx-8m-plus-and-mirrors-rpi-form-factor-2/ )
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10:08 matey; then again, i remember when they thought theyd never find the unabomber or the btk killer
10:08 TR News; "This tutorial will explain in step by step how you can install Kubuntu 22.04 LTS "Jammy Jellyfish"." https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/07/how-to-install-kubuntu-2204-with-dualboot-uefi-external-disk-method.html | Source: Ubuntubuzz
10:08 TR Bot; How To Install Kubuntu 22.04 with Dualboot, UEFI and External Disk Method
10:09 TR News; "Last month anti-piracy initiative 'Operation 404' reportedly took down 226 websites and 461 piracy apps" https://torrentfreak.com/operation-404-hit-so-many-piracy-apps-its-surprising-there-are-any-left-220716/ | Source: Torrent Freak
10:09 TR Bot; 404 Hit So Many Piracy Apps It's Surprising There Are Any Left * TorrentFreak
10:12 TR News; UAE https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/16/rights-groups-urge-biden-secure-release-us-lawyer-held-uae | Source: Common Dreams
10:12 TR Bot; Rights Groups Urge Biden to Secure Release of US Lawyer Held in UAE
10:16 TR News; Plagiarists seek tools that make the plagiarism seem OK; no wonder they pursue stuff like Copilot, which is enraging coders whose code is being misused and misappropriated (relicensed as proprietary using proprietary software from Microsoft) http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/coplagiarist-covertly-relicensing-as-proprietary/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/coplagiarist-covertly-relicensing-as-proprietary/
10:16 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XXIII CoPlagiarist: Microsofts GPL Violations and Plagiarism Tool Created by Serial Plagiarists | Techrights
10:17 TR News; A new series that looks at how so-called journalists who are more like Microsoft moles justify their actions (at least to themselves) http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/microsoft-bishops/
=> http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/microsoft-bishops/
10:17 TR Bot; Inside the Minds of Microsofts Media Operatives Part I Bishops in Rooks | Techrights
10:17 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Saturday, July 16, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/irc-log-160722/ Source: Techrights | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//techrights.org/2022/07/17/irc-log-160722/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/17/irc-log-160722/
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10:17 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Saturday, July 16, 2022 | Techrights
10:18 TR News; Irregular Shapes https://hackaday.com/2022/07/16/turning-irregular-shapes/ | Source: Hackaday
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10:18 TR Bot; Irregular Shapes | Hackaday
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10:31 matey; the coup seems to all claim theyre spartacus
10:32 *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@5tcc2vuaj9aks.irc) has joined #techrights
10:32 matey; 3000 spartaci
10:45 TR News; Re(3): The Cheapest Cup of Tea in Town gemini://lasse.nerdcamp.net/gemlog/20220717.gmi
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10:46 TR News; "[D. Scott Williamson] paid $5 for a Roland JV-30 synthesizer at a garage sale." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/16/restoring-5-busted-synthesizer-made-easy-thanks-to-thermal/ | Source: Hackaday
=> ↺ https://hackaday.com/2022/07/16/restoring-5-busted-synthesizer-made-easy-thanks-to-thermal/
10:46 TR Bot; $5 Busted Synthesizer Made Easy, Thanks To Thermal | Hackaday
10:47 TR News; "Jackson Hinkle is GAFAM's latest target in the establishment's pursuit to censor dissenting voices." https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/16/youtube-host-demonetized-for-challenging-u-s-government-on-ukraine/ | Source: Scheerpost
10:47 TR Bot; Host Demonetized for Challenging U.S. Government on Ukraine scheerpost.com
10:47 TR News; "According to [Asianometry], in 1986 the Soviet Union had about 10,000 computers." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/16/a-look-back-at-the-ussr-computer-industry/ | Source: Hackaday
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10:47 TR Bot; Look Back At The USSR Computer Industry | Hackaday
10:48 TR News; "[Larry Wall], inventor of Perl, once famously said that programmers have three key virtues: sloth, hubris, and impatience." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/16/impatience-is-a-virtue-when-testing-this-old-maritime-teleprinter/ | Source: Hackaday
=> ↺ https://hackaday.com/2022/07/16/impatience-is-a-virtue-when-testing-this-old-maritime-teleprinter/
10:48 TR Bot; Is A Virtue When Testing This Old Maritime Teleprinter | Hackaday
10:49 TR News; "We here at Hackaday are super-duper proponents of" Free software https://hackaday.com/2022/07/16/fighting-the-good-fight/ | Source: Hackaday
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10:49 TR Bot; The Good Fight | Hackaday
10:51 TR News; What is PVTM? Or why your Rockchip RK3588 CPU may not reach 2.4 GHz - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/17/what-is-pvtm-or-why-your-rockchip-rk3588-cpu-may-not-reach-2-4-ghz/ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/17/what-is-pvtm-or-why-your-rockchip-rk3588-cpu-may-not-reach-2-4-ghz/
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10:51 TR Bot; What is PVTM? Or why your Rockchip RK3588 CPU may not reach 2.4 GHz - CNX Software
10:52 TR News; Bits from Debian: DebConf22 starts today in Prizren https://bits.debian.org/2022/07/debconf22-starts.html
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10:52 TR Bot; DebConf22 starts today in Prizren - Bits from Debian
10:53 psydroid2; quite a bit of software is so terribly programmed that it being free software or open source doesn't even matter, it's best to simply consign it to the garbage bin of history
10:53 TR News; Today is the 17th. 2 days from now or tomorrow we'll know if WIPO helps SPI crack down on Web site that use the word "Debian" in the name
10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
11:02 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167333
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11:02 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
11:02 TR News; Free, Libre, and Open Source Software: PowerDNS Authoritative Server, ROS2, and Fighting The Good Fight Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167334
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11:02 TR Bot; Free, Libre, and Open Source Software: PowerDNS Authoritative Server, ROS2, and Fighting The Good Fight | Tux Machines
11:03 TR News; Devices: Raspberry Pi Pico W and Rockchip RK3588 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167335
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11:03 TR Bot; Devices: Raspberry Pi Pico W and Rockchip RK3588 | Tux Machines
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11:09 psydroid2; does the US have anything like this?
11:09 psydroid2; https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor
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11:10 TR Bot; Open Source Observatory (OSOR) | Joinup
11:13 *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@6ns8essgqzx42.irc) has joined #techrights
11:15 schestowitz[TR]; miceosoft
11:15 schestowitz[TR]; it comes with laser beams
11:15 schestowitz[TR]; observing the target
11:15 schestowitz[TR]; and shooting or invading
11:16 TR News; Links 16/07/2022: SCaLE 19x Plans and DebConf22 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/debconf22/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/17/debconf22/
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11:16 TR Bot; Links 16/07/2022: SCaLE 19x Plans and DebConf22 | Techrights
11:16 TR News; Debian DebConf22 in Prizren, Kosovo Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167336
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11:16 TR Bot; Debian DebConf22 in Prizren, Kosovo | Tux Machines
11:16 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167337
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11:16 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
11:26 DaemonFC; Terrible software that doesn't even matter if it is open source?
11:26 DaemonFC; Microsoft puts out some open source software, but it usually only does what it's supposed to if it runs on Windows or is a client for Windows somehow.
11:27 DaemonFC; They don't produce anything that's legitimately useful without their proprietary software, so whether that component/program is open source fails to matter.
11:33 schestowitz[TR]; aye
11:33 psydroid2; I wasn't talking about Microsoft, but I consider their open source software mainly abandonware or teaseware
11:34 psydroid2; I find that quite a bit of free software is so terrible and ends up consuming so much memory, that it's simply unusable
11:35 DaemonFC; Windows Terminal is "open source".
11:35 psydroid2; sort of like enemies from within
11:35 DaemonFC; They "open sourced" a "core Powershell" or something.
11:39 DaemonFC; Useful shells on a POSIX system are at least POSIX-like shells. Whether or not they conform entirely or not.
11:39 DaemonFC; Many don't or just have a POSIX-Mode in case it's important at that moment, but are "close".
11:41 DaemonFC; Larabel was going on and on about Powershell Core.
11:41 TR News; Video streams https://debconf22.debconf.org/
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11:41 TR Bot; DebConf 22
11:41 DaemonFC; He was producing spam articles about the "directx kernel modules" that don't implement directx.
11:41 DaemonFC; They just allow WSL to get at it on Windows.
11:42 psydroid2; and then Microsoft and AMD make him buy a Lenovo laptop with an AMD chip with his own money because AMD only wants their hardware to be tested and benchmarked on Windows
11:42 DaemonFC; Don't they send it for free and pay him to "review" it?
11:42 psydroid2; I stopped reading those DirectX articles
11:42 DaemonFC; It's another ZDNet at this point.
11:43 psydroid2; no, he mentioned that in one of his recent "articles"
11:43 psydroid2; I think it's hilarious and sad at the same time
11:43 DaemonFC; Benchmarking Windows is pretty dumb.
11:43 DaemonFC; Like Intel, they can cheat on the benchmarks.
11:44 psydroid2; he feels he has to sell out and then even selling out isn't good enough to get free hardware even for "review" purposes
11:44 DaemonFC; It's just like VW diesel engines.
11:44 DaemonFC; Recognize a smog test and go into "smog test" mode.
11:44 DaemonFC; Intel has been caught doing it repeatedly, like Nvidia has.
11:46 psydroid2; When I look at Geekbench results to see how chips perform relatively to each other I just ignore the Windows results, because they are usually lower and aren't very consistent
11:46 psydroid2; relative*
11:47 DaemonFC; Well, Windows could recognize benchmark apps and change how it works until they close.
11:48 DaemonFC; Send everything else to background priority, shut off graphics features that will drag down performance, turn disk write barriers off, disable antivirus, etc.
11:53 TR News; "Weve seen signs of a looming splinternet for years." https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/05/protecting-the-internet-as-we-know-it-three-things-you-can-do-today-to-stop-the-splinternet/
11:53 TR Bot; Protecting the Internet As We Know It Three Things You Can Do Today To Stop the Splinternet - Internet Society
11:53 psydroid2; I just find it hilarious that I needed to assign 12 GB to my Windows 10 VM to get good performance out of it and it still runs like crap compared to GNU/Linux on the host or in a virtual machine
11:54 TR News; "In total, the report names and traces the activities of 24 US Hindu nationalist organisations that have assets totalling nearly $100 million." https://thewire.in/world/new-report-traces-activities-of-us-based-hindutva-groups-over-last-7-years
11:54 TR Bot; New Report Traces Activities of US-Based Hindutva Groups Over Last 7 Years
11:59 TR News; "To crack down on pop-up ads and other annoyances, browsers implemented restrictions to these APIs, mostly in the form of tying them to the click event." https://macwright.com/2022/07/11/activation.html
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11:59 TR Bot; - macwright.com
12:00 TR News; Twitter is s dying platform. RESUMING in it would be pointless. It's drowning. https://www.wezm.net/v2/posts/2022/resuming-read-rust-tweeting/
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12:00 TR Bot; Resuming Read Rust Tweeting - Wesley Moore
12:01 TR News; Twitter has been trying -- and failing -- to reinvent itself as all sorts of things. Now it's SUING someone for not wanting it...
12:04 TR News; Bouncer, get your virtual hands off me - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/manal-al-sharif-facial-recognition-biometrics-surveillance/ Source: michaelwest | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/manal-al-sharif-facial-recognition-biometrics-surveillance/
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12:04 TR Bot; Bouncer, get your virtual hands off me - Michael West
12:05 TR News; Graft budget for Microsoft and pals https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhartung/2022/06/10/hawks-arguments-for-jacking-up-pentagon-spending-make-no-sense/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
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=> http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
12:05 TR Bot; Hawks Arguments For Jacking Up Pentagon Spending Make No Sense
12:05 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
12:06 TR News; Bailing out Microsoft et al https://tomdispatch.com/fueling-the-warfare-state/ http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
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12:06 TR Bot; the Warfare State - TomDispatch.com
12:07 DaemonFC; I just find it hilarious that I needed to assign 12 GB to my Windows 10 VM to get good performance out of it and it still runs like crap compared to GNU/Linux on the host or in a virtual machine
12:07 DaemonFC; Yeah, I had to do some installations of Windows 98 with the undocumented /nm switch to get it to install.
12:08 DaemonFC; Microsoft jacked up the requirements because of the bloat they added relating to the antitrust trial and Internet Explorer, and other crap.
12:08 TR News; "It will make more sense once I give some examples. So here is a partial list of programming language innovations that arent the languages syntax or semantics." https://earthly.dev/blog/programming-language-improvements/
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12:08 TR Bot; The Slow March of Progress in Programming Language Tooling - Earthly Blog
12:08 DaemonFC; So you get it on the computer, then run RoM II SE to de-bloat it.
12:08 DaemonFC; Suddenly it works fine on just about anything with at least a 486.
12:09 DaemonFC; They pretty much double the minimum amount of memory just to run Windows at all again every 2-5 years.
12:09 DaemonFC; Even Windows 10 uses more than when it came out.
12:10 DaemonFC; They have Skype and OneDrive and that MSN toolbar now.
12:10 psydroid2; it doesn't look like that strategy is working anymore
12:10 psydroid2; yes, I noticed that
12:10 DaemonFC; It uses at least 600 MB more just from those!
12:10 psydroid2; there was this Windows 10 1809 release that was so terrible that it just sat like a duck in a VirtualBox VM
12:11 DaemonFC; Yes, they forced unwanted major OS updates on you twice a year whether you wanted it or not.
12:12 DaemonFC; They changed the way Windows worked so that there's just no way to target "Windows 10" with an application and expect consistent behavior.
12:12 psydroid2; at this point even the terrible Windows 11 feels faster than the latest Windows 10
12:12 DaemonFC; APIs were not only added and removed, but the way they behaved was totally reversed between builds.
12:12 psydroid2; in virtual machines at least
12:12 TR News; LinkedIn: a site where people lie about themselves, just like Microsoft always lies about itself https://michaelwest.com.au/barilaro-padded-resume-in-advance-of-new-york-gig/
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12:12 TR Bot; Barilaro padded resume in advance of New York gig - Michael West
12:13 TR News; Uber should not even exist https://rubenerd.com/the-uber-files/
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12:13 TR Bot; The Uber files
12:13 DaemonFC; I can't remember which system call it was they changed.
12:13 psydroid2; does that mean that you could target a build of Windows 10 and then it would stop working on a newer build?
12:13 DaemonFC; They reversed it so that it works either way past a certain Windows 10 build, for backwards compatibility.
12:13 psydroid2; the binaries you build, I mena
12:14 psydroid2; mean*
12:14 DaemonFC; But if you use it in the documented way, your program will crash on all earlier builds along with Windows 7 and 8.
12:14 DaemonFC; does that mean that you could target a build of Windows 10 and then it would stop working on a newer build?
12:14 DaemonFC; Theoretically, yes.
12:14 TR News; The world wont listen: African dream died long before a despot - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/the-world-wont-listen-african-dream-died-long-before-a-despot/ Source: michaelwest "story of colonialism, of independence, the interplay and failures of both"
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12:14 TR Bot; The world wont listen: African dream died long before a despot - Michael West
12:14 DaemonFC; Microsoft changed the XAUDIO2 API, recently.
12:15 psydroid2; I've read that many binaries targetting older releases of Windows don't work on Windows 10 anymore, but do work on WINE
12:15 DaemonFC; They removed a bunch of CLSIDs that they thought nothing was using by sticking "telemetry" probes on people's computers to see if they ran anything that used them.
12:16 DaemonFC; That's technically a breaking change, but they used their spyware to determine if any Windows user on the planet ran a program that used those CLSIDs and over 6 months, they didn't get any feedback that there was a program launched that requested them.
12:16 DaemonFC; The issue is that unless you change every piece of documentation, a developer running an older version of Windows could actually use it like that and push an update out.
12:17 TR News; "New language were speaking, the one with newly-invented mild words, fails to deliver our feelings correctly." https://alirezahayati.com/2022/07/11/do-judge-a-book-by-its-cover/
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12:17 TR Bot; Do judge a book by its cover - Ali Reza Hayati
12:17 DaemonFC; And now you have something that works on his system but then he breaks it with an update, and then has to recall the update when the complaints that there's no sound come pouring in.
12:17 psydroid2; "XAudio2 is primarily intended for developing high performance audio engines for games."
12:17 psydroid2; "Compared to WASAPI, XAudio2 requires only a minimum amount of code even for complex audio solutions. Compared to the Media Foundation engine, XAudio2 is a low-level, low-latency C++ API that is designed for use in games."
12:17 DaemonFC; For all of the messes Microsoft never cleans up, removing some CLSIDs that take up basically no space was really weird.
12:18 psydroid2; Do they not care about professional audio?
12:18 DaemonFC; XAUDIO2 is basically there to force Windows games to use WMA and depend on Microsoft patents and being harder to port.
12:18 DaemonFC; It works on Windows and XBOX and that's the end of it.
12:20 TR News; Where is the Cradle of the Computer? https://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/262034-where-is-the-cradle-of-the-computer/fulltext
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12:20 TR Bot; Where is the Cradle of the Computer? | blog@CACM | Communications of the ACM
12:20 psydroid2; Godot is one of the engines that are truly cross-platform. And with the whole thing around Unity there are several studios and individuals who have said that they will be using Godot for new games.
12:21 psydroid2; Microsoft's "investment" in Godot can only be seen as a way to gain influence
12:21 psydroid2; There are even recent books about migrating from Unity to Godot
12:21 TR News; Sadly this reuses Microsoft trash and is hosted by Microsoft proprietary prison https://matt-rickard.com/the-remix-ide/
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12:21 TR Bot; The Remix IDE
12:22 DaemonFC; Microsoft has been buying up game studios that already had perfectly good engines and then recompiling everything to have further dependencies on the latest Windows APIs.
12:22 TR News; Why captions are suddenly everywhere and how they got there | AP News https://apnews.com/article/technology-health-95d57b9ad5d17246d50d84c84c3127d5 Source: apnews | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//apnews.com/article/technology-health-95d57b9ad5d17246d50d84c84c3127d5
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12:22 TR Bot; Why captions are suddenly everywhere and how they got there | AP News
12:22 DaemonFC; This is to force people to get a new computer with the latest Windows, and it breaks wine.
12:22 DaemonFC; So it's a twofer.
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; psydroid2: they did it to add c#
12:23 DaemonFC; Suddenly a game that already ran fine from 2016 needs Windows APIs that didn't exist until 2019 or 2020.
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; also, godot talks me down for saying get off github
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; while they bag Microsoft money
12:23 DaemonFC; They even did it to a game from 2012.
12:23 schestowitz[TR]; microsofgt recently 'donated' to gnome
12:24 DaemonFC; They recompiled it, broke all of the add-ons and mods that fans made and gave away for free.....and introduced APIs that make it depend on Windows 10 from 2019, and a "mod store" where you have to buy mods.
12:24 DaemonFC; Now you can't buy the old version of Skyrim anymore, iirc.
12:24 TR News; Can computers understand complex words and concepts? | UCLA https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/computers-understand-complex-words Source: newsroom | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/computers-understand-complex-words
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12:24 TR Bot; Can computers understand complex words and concepts? | UCLA
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12:24 DaemonFC; And mods need to be rebuild for the updated build.
12:25 psydroid2; DaemonFC, is this strategy working, though? I think they only started doing this because they noticed they're bleeding users left and right and now they'll do anything to keep Windows relevant.
12:25 DaemonFC; I doubt it.
12:25 DaemonFC; Most people know how to bittorrent the old binaries that worked right.
12:25 DaemonFC; And wine caught up with the XAUDIO2 stuff recently.
12:26 DaemonFC; If anything, they're probably just angering their customers and causing more piracy.
12:26 DaemonFC; The second time they rebuilt Skyrim was a total flop.
12:26 DaemonFC; They've had almost no sales of that version.
12:27 DaemonFC; There's just too many good mods out there that already had to be rebuilt once.
12:28 DaemonFC; There's a fan-made patch that adds more of a backstory and dialog for many characters, and more ways to interact with them. Microsoft doesn't really want people to go around expanding "their" games.
12:28 DaemonFC; Because fans have done a much better job than Microsoft has since they bought Bethesda.
12:28 DaemonFC; Microsoft doesn't want to compete with "free games" that people created using their own engine.
12:28 TR News; "Rapid increases in the speed and power of microchips have fueled innovation in many industries, but the future trajectory of that incredible progress may be in jeopardy." https://news.mit.edu/2022/neil-thompson-computing-power-innovation-0624
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12:28 TR Bot; Q&A: Neil Thompson on computing power and innovation | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology
12:29 DaemonFC; Even the Fallout New Vegas engine is still pretty useful.
12:29 DaemonFC; Microsoft has sabotaged two major mods.
12:30 DaemonFC; One by slipping a pedophile into the mod community that shoved a bunch of indecent stuff into the mod so they'd have to shut it down and disband.
12:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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12:30 DaemonFC; Then they hire people working on mods for Fallout 4.
12:30 DaemonFC; People contribute to the mods just to get a job, because Microsoft will hire them just to stop the mod from being built.
12:31 DaemonFC; https://www.ginx.tv/en/video-games/fallout-new-vegas-mod-the-frontier-removed-over-pedophilic-art-by-one-of-its-developers
12:31 TR Bot; Fallout mod The Frontier removed over "pedophilic art" by one of its developers | GINX Esports TV
12:31 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], The Dr. Pizza of Fallout.
12:31 DaemonFC; Microsoft used another sicko to manage this.
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12:33 psydroid2; what a sick company
12:33 psydroid2; not that that is any news
12:34 psydroid2; but people need to abandon the company now by starving it of all revenue
12:34 psydroid2; even then governments just keep bailing the company out
12:48 TR News; First Images from the James Webb Space Telescope | NASA https://www.nasa.gov/webbfirstimages/ Source: nasa | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.nasa.gov/webbfirstimages/
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12:48 TR Bot; First Images from the James Webb Space Telescope | NASA
12:48 schestowitz[TR]; Microsoft used another sicko to manage this.
12:48 schestowitz[TR]; you are comparing CP hoarder
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12:48 schestowitz[TR]; to a man who serially raped kids
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; god knoww ahat bill and jeff were up to
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; maybe he liked to watch
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; maybe participate
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; but I doubt there was nothing to it
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; you don't go on a plane with epstein cause "he knew lots of rich people"
12:49 schestowitz[TR]; esp. not when you are the world's richest
12:51 TR News; Twitter was ALREADY operating at considerable loss. It won't survive this. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-07-09/elon-s-out
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12:51 TR Bot; - Are you a robot?
12:52 TR News; Apropos Musk https://blog.dshr.org/2022/07/pump-and-dump-schemes.html
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12:52 TR Bot; DSHR's Blog: Pump-and-Dump Schemes
12:54 TR News; "As money gets more expensive, it will be interesting to see what distribution turned out to be proprietary and what wasn't." https://matt-rickard.com/distribution-in-a-downturn-2/
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12:54 TR Bot; Distribution in a Downturn
12:55 TR News; Robot Might Recreate the Elgin MarRobot Might Recreate the Elgin Marbles of Greece - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/08/science/elgin-marbles-3d-print.html Source: nytimes
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12:55 TR Bot; Robot Might Recreate the Elgin Marbles of Greece - The New York Times
12:56 TR News; What is your crisis quotient? https://www.strategy-business.com/blog/What-is-your-crisis-quotient?rssid=all_updates Source: strategy-business | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.strategy-business.com/blog/What-is-your-crisis-quotient?rssid=all_updates
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12:56 TR Bot; What is your crisis quotient?
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13:01 TR News; Should Machines Replace Mathematicians? - Scientific American https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/should-machines-replace-mathematicians/ Source: scientificamerican | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.scientificamerican.com/article/should-machines-replace-mathematicians/
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13:01 TR Bot; Should Machines Replace Mathematicians? - Scientific American
13:02 TR News; "Machine learning is playing an ever-increasing role in biomedical research. Scientists at the Technical University of Munich (TUM) have now developed a new method of using molecular data to extract subtypes of illnesses. In the future, this method can help to support the study of larger patient groups." https://www.wzw.tum.de/index.php?id=185&L=1&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=2850&cHash=e4f796819cdefb8d605735e42bb3dcd0
13:02 TR Bot; News Detail - TUM School of Life Sciences
13:03 TR News; "There are five Regional Internet Registries (RIR) in the world tasked with the responsibility to manage and allocate Internet number resources in specific parts of the world." https://sysadmin-journal.com/the-number-resource-organisation-writes-to-the-government-of-mauritius/
13:03 TR Bot; The Number Resource Organisation (NRO) writes to the Government of Mauritius
13:06 TR News; "We frequently utilize non-linear approaches to represent the link between a collection of predictor factors and a response variable when the relationship between them is extremely complex." https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/07/random-forest-machine-learning-introduction/
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13:06 TR Bot; Forest Machine Learning Introduction | R-bloggers
13:07 TR News; "Private equity vultures KKR are close to pitching a $20bn takeover bid for Australias largest private healthcare group, Ramsay Health Care which could see most of Australias private health system being controlled in foreign tax havens." https://michaelwest.com.au/australian-hospitals-gifted-to-the-caymans/
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13:07 TR Bot; Australian Hospitals Gifted to the Caymans - Michael West
13:10 TR News; We used to say Twitter would be dead in a few years. That was wrong. In a lot of ways (e.g. financial, impact, momentum) Twitter is ALREADY dead. It's just not declaring or stating that publicly. It's still just faking a lot of things.
13:11 TR News; How much money does Bing LOSE for Microsoft? Still billions? Will Joe Biden continue to bail out Microsoft? Will savers be conned into tying their savings to gambling by Microsoft? https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/BingbotFrontPageBlock
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13:11 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/web/BingbotFrontPageBlock
13:13 TR News; The engineering model of technology-based learning - Critical Studies of EDUCATION & TECHNOLOGY https://criticaledtech.com/2022/07/12/the-engineering-model-of-technology-based-learning/ Source: criticaledtech | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//criticaledtech.com/2022/07/12/the-engineering-model-of-technology-based-learning/
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13:13 TR Bot; The engineering model of technology-based learning Critical Studies of EDUCATION & TECHNOLOGY
13:15 TR News; Worthy and "unworthy" victims demonstrate? https://rubenerd.com/sri-lanka-in-2022/ Source: rubenerd | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//rubenerd.com/sri-lanka-in-2022/
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13:15 TR Bot; Sri Lanka in 2022
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13:24 TR News; "And I think that that messaging is false and that San Franciscans are going to be pretty disappointed to find out that theyre waking up today with the same mayor, the same" https://www.democracynow.org/2022/6/8/san_francisco_da_recall_chesa_boudin
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13:24 TR Bot; Billionaire Democracy? San Francisco DA Chesa Boudin Ousted in Recall & L.A. Mayor Race Heads to Runoff | Democracy Now!
13:25 TR News; Hitting the green accelerator: Labors renewables target ambitious but achievable - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/labors-renewable-energy-target-ambitious-but-achievable/ Source: michaelwest | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/labors-renewable-energy-target-ambitious-but-achievable/
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13:25 TR Bot; Hitting the green accelerator: Labor's renewables target ambitious but achievable - Michael West
13:26 TR News; "If youre looking to quickly learn and use one of these tools, youll probably find that Pulumi is easier to pick up. This is because Pulumi allows you to use your preferred programming language to define your infrastructure stackstheres no need to learn a specific DSL." https://earthly.dev/blog/pulumi-vs-terraform/
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13:26 TR Bot; Pulumi vs Terraform - Earthly Blog
13:30 TR News; "Becoming frustrated, I guessed that the way I clean my glasses might be causing the lenses to degrade quicker than necessary. I used to just breathe on them, and wipe them with whatever came handy (a shirt or whatever). Then I switched to using a dry microfibre cloth which I would wash whenever it started leaving horrible smear marks on the lens." https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/how_i_clean_my_glasses.html
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13:30 TR Bot; communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). ( status 0 @ https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/how_i_clean_my_glasses.html )
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13:31 TR News; OpenVMS 9.2 for x86 release https://raymii.org/s/blog/OpenVMS_9.2_for_x86_will_be_released_tomorrow.html
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13:31 TR Bot; 9.2 for x86 will be released tomorrow (2022-07-14), so exciting! - Raymii.org
13:32 TR News; Instead of developing code they do multi-lingual rules for banning developers https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/07/ropensci-code-of-conduct-update/
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13:32 TR Bot; Code of Conduct Update | R-bloggers
13:33 TR News; Thanks Alan! Qantas outsourcing debacle leaves taxpayers propping up Chinese baggage handling giant - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/thanks-alan-qantas-outsourcing-debacle-leaves-taxpayers-propping-up-chinese-baggage-handling-giant/ Source: michaelwest
13:33 TR Bot; Thanks Alan! Qantas outsourcing debacle leaves taxpayers propping up Chinese baggage handling giant - Michael West
13:38 TR News; Why Google ChromeOS Flex is quickly becoming a big deal https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/why-google-chromeos-flex-is-quickly-becoming-a-big-deal/ Source: aboutchromebooks | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/why-google-chromeos-flex-is-quickly-becoming-a-big-deal/
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13:38 TR Bot; Why Google ChromeOS Flex is quickly becoming a big deal
13:40 TR News; Rocky Linux 9.0 rocks new build system | InfoWorld http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167237#comment-34374
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13:40 TR News; How To Use The GNU/Linux Command Line https://hackernoon.com/how-to-use-the-linux-command-line
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13:40 TR Bot; Rocky Linux 9 Officially Released with GNOME 40 Desktop, Improved Security | Tux Machines
13:40 TR Bot; To Use The Linux Command Line | HackerNoon
13:44 TR News; Chrome OS Flex turns old PCs and Macs into Chromebooks | IT PRO https://www.itpro.co.uk/software/operating-systems/362257/chrome-os-flex-official-pcs-macs Source: itpro | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.itpro.co.uk/software/operating-systems/362257/chrome-os-flex-official-pcs-macs
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13:44 TR Bot; Chrome OS Flex turns old PCs and Macs into Chromebooks | IT PRO
13:46 TR News; "Tizen is a Linux-based free, open source IoT OS. Hosted by The Linux Foundation and developed by Samsung Electronics, this OS connects everything, including wearable devices," https://www.techtarget.com/iotagenda/tip/Select-the-right-OS-for-IoT-devices
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13:46 TR Bot; Select the right OS for IoT devices
13:48 TR News; 16 Low-Cost And Open-Source Tools And Platforms Tech Experts Recommend https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2022/07/12/16-low-cost-and-open-source-tools-and-platforms-tech-experts-recommend/
13:48 TR Bot; 16 Low-Cost And Open-Source Tools And Platforms Tech Experts Recommend
13:52 TR News; Microsoft stopped Lenovo from booting Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166982#comment-34375
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13:52 TR Bot; Lenovo shipping new laptops that only boot Windows by default | Tux Machines
13:54 TR News; Microsoft: we PREVENT Linux from booting. SJVN: Microsoft is a Linux company. Either a liar or a total fool.
13:56 TR News; Cyber attack over Gemini is now a thing gemini://gemini.clehaxze.tw/gemlog/2022/07-17-cyber-attack-over-gemini-is-now-a-thing.gmi
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13:59 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167338
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13:59 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
14:00 TR News; Sparky 2022.07 Special Editions Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167339
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14:00 TR Bot; Sparky 2022.07 Special Editions | Tux Machines
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15:38 TR Bot; Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Meanwhile on Russian state TV: a delusional Professor claims that in Ukraine, Russia is fighting a war against "the darkness of West" & for the "salvation of all humanity." Even Orwell would be horrified, or perhaps impressed. Deranged host applauds his unparalleled "brilliance.""|nitter
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15:38 TR Bot; Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Russia's strike that killed civiliansincluding childrenin #Vinnitsa is covered on state TV with cold indifference. State TV host dismisses Kyiv's allegations, boasting about the successful "calibration" of the meeting of Ukrainian military officials with foreign arms suppliers."|nitter
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16:00 TR News; "the letter objected to front of package nutrition warning labels (NOM-051) that came into force on October 1, 2020, and policies to reduce and gradually phase out the use and importation of glyphosate and genetically modified corn." https://www.iatp.org/documents/letter-ambassador-tai-and-secretary-vilsack-usmca-and-mexico
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16:00 TR Bot; Letter to Ambassador Tai and Secretary Vilsack on USMCA and Mexico | IATP
16:01 TR News; [Old] Another False Start in Africa Sold with Green Revolution Myths http://www.ipsnews.net/2021/04/another-false-start-africa-sold-green-revolution-myths/
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16:01 TR Bot; Another False Start in Africa Sold with Green Revolution Myths | Inter Press Service
16:02 TR News; Flexible I/O subsystem: This release includes the new flexible I/O subsystem. This adds support for many new encoder types and lets you connect them up in a wide variety of ways.
16:02 TR News; "Flexible I/O subsystem: This release includes the new flexible I/O subsystem. This adds support for many new encoder types and lets you connect them up in a wide variety of ways." https://jpieper.com/2022/07/13/moteus-firmware-release-2022-07-11/
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16:02 TR Bot; moteus firmware release 2022-07-11 | A Modicum of Fun
16:03 TR News; Will Walmart become the go-to shopping destination for cord cutters? - RetailWire https://retailwire.com/discussion/will-walmart-become-the-go-to-shopping-destination-for-cord-cutters/ Source: retailwire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//retailwire.com/discussion/will-walmart-become-the-go-to-shopping-destination-for-cord-cutters/
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16:04 TR Bot; Walmart become the go-to shopping destination for cord cutters? RetailWire
16:05 TR News; Surveillance avenue? The next spying 'inovation' https://news.mit.edu/2022/smart-textiles-sense-movement-0707 from MIT, which ousts people who condemn Jeffrey Epstein, to spare those who protect him (Bill Gates)
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16:05 TR Bot; Smart textiles sense how their users are moving | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology
16:06 TR News; So-called "green goods" https://retailwire.com/discussion/can-up-tempo-music-move-shoppers-to-buy-more-green-goods/
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16:06 TR Bot; up-tempo music move shoppers to buy more green goods? RetailWire
16:07 TR News; Surveillance inside the home https://staceyoniot.com/wink-hub-got-you-down-here-are-some-smart-home-switching-options/
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16:07 TR Bot; Wink hub got you down? Here are some smart home switching options. - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
16:09 TR News; "Multiple analyses of historical immigration patterns show that more migrants to a region correlates with a higher rate of innovation and related economic growth." https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23177446/immigrants-tech-companies-united-states-innovation-h1b-visas-immigration
16:09 TR Bot; huge H1-B visa backlog is blocking high-skilled immigration to the US - Vox
16:11 TR News; [Older] "Tracked as CVE-2022-2154, the issue results in the same SSH key being delivered on every installation and subsequent updates, the CERT Coordination Center (CERT/CC) at Carnegie Mellon University explains in an advisory." https://www.securityweek.com/sma-technologies-patches-critical-security-issue-workload-automation-solution
16:11 TR Bot; Technologies Patches Critical Security Issue in Workload Automation Solution | SecurityWeek.Com
16:11 TR News; InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28758 Source: isc | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28758
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16:11 TR Bot; InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center
16:12 TR News; AI-Enhanced System to Track Players for Offside Calls at 2022 World Cup | PCMag https://www.pcmag.com/news/ai-enhanced-system-to-track-players-for-offside-calls-at-2022-world-cup Source: pcmag | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.pcmag.com/news/ai-enhanced-system-to-track-players-for-offside-calls-at-2022-world-cup
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16:12 TR Bot; System to Track Players for Offside Calls at 2022 World Cup | PCMag
16:14 TR News; When rustc explodes https://fasterthanli.me/articles/when-rustc-explodes Source: fasterthanli | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//fasterthanli.me/articles/when-rustc-explodes
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16:14 TR Bot; When rustc explodes
16:15 TR News; Quantum Error Correction: Time to Make It Work - IEEE Spectrum https://spectrum.ieee.org/quantum-error-correction#toggle-gdpr Source: spectrum | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//spectrum.ieee.org/quantum-error-correction#toggle-gdpr
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16:15 TR Bot; Quantum Error Correction: Time to Make It Work - IEEE Spectrum
16:17 TR News; "I wonder what I was thinking? It could have been so profound, life changing, or brilliant. If only I could reach back into my 2019 brain and see exactly what it was I was about discuss. Probably [Microsoft] systemd." https://rubenerd.com/linux-something-something/
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16:17 TR Bot; The reason Linux something something
16:19 TR News; "I didn't write the last days because there wasn't much to say. I miss internet 24/7 though, and I'll be happy to get back on the computer without having to track my time and stop after the hour, which always happen too soon!" https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2022-07-14-old-computer-challenge-v2-day5.html
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16:19 TR Bot; Solene'% : The Old Computer Challenge V2: day 5
16:21 TR News; "When you are in KDE on the Win600, you don't get a soft keyboard at all. This is mildly inconvenient, but can be fixed with the moonlander yet again. Here's a screenshot of what my KDE desktop on the Win600 looks like..." https://xeiaso.net/blog/anbernic-win600-first-impressions
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16:21 TR Bot; Anbernic Win600 First Impressions - Xe
16:22 TR News; Executive bonus bonanza: Afterpay CEOs quarter billion pay juiced by Jobkeeper - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/executive-bonus-bonanza-afterpay-ceos-quarter-billion-pay-juiced-by-jobkeeper/ Source: michaelwest | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/executive-bonus-bonanza-afterpay-ceos-quarter-billion-pay-juiced-by-jobkeeper/
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16:22 TR Bot; Executive bonus bonanza: Afterpay CEOs' quarter billion pay juiced by Jobkeeper - Michael West
16:23 TR News; E42: Earthly, a CI/CD Framework that Can Run Anywhere by Open Source Startup Podcast https://anchor.fm/ossstartuppodcast/episodes/E42-Earthly--a-CICD-Framework-that-Can-Run-Anywhere-e1kubdf Source: anchor
16:23 TR Bot; E42: Earthly, a CI/CD Framework that Can Run Anywhere by Open Source Startup Podcast
16:25 TR News; "The core premise of that Register article so wildly wrong that it borders on the silly. In fact, the problems with that article from The Register start with the very first line" https://lunduke.substack.com/p/watch-as-the-microsoft-open-source
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16:25 TR Bot; Watch as the "Microsoft + Open Source" apologists push a narrative
16:26 TR News; "But he, like the vast majority of the Tech Journalists out there (specifically the ones that often cover Enterprise Computing), is running interference for Microsoft." https://lunduke.substack.com/p/watch-as-the-microsoft-open-source
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16:27 TR News; "Promoting and advocating on Microsofts behalf, even when the facts dont support it. Exactly as predicted. Watch as it continues. Because it will. From a number of different publications and journalists." https://lunduke.substack.com/p/watch-as-the-microsoft-open-source
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16:27 TR News; "Many of whom take advertising dollars from Microsoft (or from companies working with Microsoft)." https://lunduke.substack.com/p/watch-as-the-microsoft-open-source
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16:28 TR News; SpellBinding: AEGLVUT Wordo: STAFF gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-07-17.gmi
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16:29 TR News; "Its coming up on a year now that I have been writing gemini stuff on pubnix through the terminal emulator. I have come a long way since the birth of my capsule and have learned much about various aspects of having a site." gemini://tilde.team/~smokey/logs/2022-07-17-automate.gmi
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16:30 TR News; NIST Announces First Four Quantum-Resistant Cryptographic Algorithms | NIST https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2022/07/nist-announces-first-four-quantum-resistant-cryptographic-algorithms Source: nist | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2022/07/nist-announces-first-four-quantum-resistant-cryptographic-algorithms
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16:31 TR Bot; NIST Announces First Four Quantum-Resistant Cryptographic Algorithms | NIST
16:31 TR News; A quantum computer could catch its own errors on any calculation | New Scientist https://www.newscientist.com/article/2321929-a-quantum-computer-could-catch-its-own-errors-on-any-calculation/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.newscientist.com/article/2321929-a-quantum-computer-could-catch-its-own-errors-on-any-calculation/
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16:31 TR Bot; A quantum computer could catch its own errors on any calculation | New Scientist
16:32 TR News; Toward Systematic Architectural Design of Near-Term Trapped Ion Quantum Computers https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2022/3/258916-toward-systematic-architectural-design-of-near-term-trapped-ion-quantum-computers/fulltext Source: cacm | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//cacm.acm.org/magazines/2022/3/258916-toward-systematic-architectural-design-of-near-term-trapped-ion-quantum-computers/fullt
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16:32 TR Bot; Toward Systematic Architectural Design of Near-Term Trapped Ion Quantum Computers | March 2022 | Communications of the ACM
16:32 MinceR; (audio:unimportant) https://apina.biz/190618.mp4?mode=sfw
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16:32 TR News; METIS: a wise counsel for synthetic biology | Max-Planck-Gesellschaft https://www.mpg.de/18936401/metis-a-wise-counsel-for-synthetic-biology?c=153449 Source: mpg | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.mpg.de/18936401/metis-a-wise-counsel-for-synthetic-biology?c=153449
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16:33 TR Bot; METIS: a wise counsel for synthetic biology | Max-Planck-Gesellschaft
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16:34 matey; quite a bit of software is so terribly programmed that it being free software or open source doesn't even matter, it's best to simply consign it to the garbage bin of history
16:34 matey; personally i think it depends on what "terribly" means
16:34 TR News; "We must never forget how the systems of slavery collapsed"... except slavery never ended and criminal enterprises now try to ban the word, not the practice, while diverting work to SWEATSHOPS https://www.un.org/sites/un2.un.org/files/nikole_hannah-jones_-speech_to_general_assembly-_29_march_2022_1.pdf
16:35 matey; if its forkable, and under a free license, its free (imo)
16:35 matey; everything under a free license is at least theoretically forkable-- so i mean forkable in practice
16:35 TR News; "Can attackers create a face mask that would defeat modern facial recognition (FR) systems? A group of researchers from from Ben-Gurion University of the Negev and Tel Aviv University have proven that it can be done." https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/07/12/defeat-facial-recognition/
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16:35 TR Bot; Researchers defeat facial recognition systems with universal face mask - Help Net Security
16:36 matey; id place non-forkable into two (possibly overlapping) categories. either one is a dealbreaker, so the fact that they may have overlap is academic
16:36 TR News; Europe's Blockchain: A Solution Struggling to Find a Problem https://cacm.acm.org/news/262635-europes-blockchain-a-solution-struggling-to-find-a-problem/fulltext hype and buzz, not much substance. Lots of waste.
16:36 TR Bot; Europe's Blockchain: A Solution Struggling to Find a Problem | News | Communications of the ACM
16:36 matey; the first one is that i believe some projects are deliberately, intentionally monopolistic
16:37 TR News; Heat wave approaching, promising to almost break some temperature records tomorrow. And we don't have air conditioning...
16:37 matey; these projects do what i call "simulated lockin"-- rms / parrots would agree that lockin is impossible with free licensed software. i call bunk on that.
16:37 matey; a degree of lockin is absolutely possible
16:38 matey; projects that will never be forked include rust, linux (kernel) and systemd
16:39 matey; one of these is disputed. but i maintain these will never be forked
16:39 matey; a grey area is trinity. its a fork. whether its really possible to maintain, we will see
16:40 matey; i think kde 3 is probably semi-forkable, but they could prove it to be forkable
16:40 matey; if kde 3 was forkable as trinity, but trinity cant be forked even if they want it to be-- that would be a good test of being semi-forkable
16:41 matey; its a grey area, and harder to prove one way or the other
16:41 matey; people say forks of systemd exist-- and thats true depending on what you think a fork is
16:42 matey; but these forks are less viable than trinity, and theyre essentially bandages, not cures
16:42 matey; rust is unforkable because a fork couldnt accomplish any of the things you would need a fork for in the first place
16:43 matey; rust is inherently unstable by design, and as such is a web/clownapi posing as a programming language
16:44 matey; and linux is a runaway train that its original author/designer doesnt even understand
16:44 schestowitz[TR]; treue also
16:44 schestowitz[TR]; it does not have to happen
16:44 schestowitz[TR]; modular core
16:44 schestowitz[TR]; keep is simple keep it light
16:44 schestowitz[TR]; everrthing else an addon
16:44 schestowitz[TR]; like devices drivers
16:44 matey; but thats not their intentions at all
16:44 schestowitz[TR]; businesses don't; care for it
16:44 schestowitz[TR]; they are all selfish
16:45 schestowitz[TR]; they shove their shit into it
16:45 matey; and they dont want their shit removed
16:45 matey; they want lockin
16:45 matey; the other category of unforkability is bloat
16:45 schestowitz[TR]; like Plastic
16:46 matey; because bloat can pretty much do 90% of what deliberate lockin does
16:46 schestowitz[TR]; keeping the overall kernel tidy is not in their interest
16:46 matey; bloat is like what oil companies do to the ocean
16:46 matey; it doesnt have to be intentional-- shit happens!
16:46 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/wontboot/
=> http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/wontboot/
16:46 TR Bot; Karma or Hubris? Is #TorvaldsWasRight a Thing Now? | Techrights
16:46 matey; and by shit i mean a disaster waiting to happen
16:46 schestowitz[TR]; what happens when Torvalds says "no!"
16:46 schestowitz[TR]; they're raping Torvalds
16:47 schestowitz[TR]; torvalkds: no
16:47 schestowitz[TR]; Red Hat: BUT YOU KNOW YOUM WANT TO!
16:47 schestowitz[TR]; zemlin... tlwel him
16:47 schestowitz[TR]; *tell
16:47 matey; torvalds is like the guy who joined the mafia then tries to get out when it gets too messy
16:47 matey; he knew it was the mafia, he did the blood oaths, but he had SOME integrity, and that didnt fit
16:47 matey; he had maybe as much integrity as a shill could have...
16:48 matey; but hes been a shill since open source was a thing
16:48 matey; and open source eats their own
16:49 matey; hes been used all his life
16:49 matey; but he gave himself up to be used. thats what shilling is.
16:49 matey; its like he signed a deal with the devil-- but then tried to say "no" when he came to collect
16:49 matey; thats not how it works, you know
16:50 matey; the only "no" that counts is dont sign
16:50 matey; he could have renounced it, but he tried to keep the devil and reject the deal
16:50 matey; thats not how it works
16:51 matey; some software is so hopelessly bloated, that no one will ever fork it (even if they want to enough to give it a good try)
16:52 matey; maybe trinity is an example of this. as i said it remains to be seen, but i have my suspicions
16:52 matey; this is why its a grey area: time will tell
16:52 XRevan86; https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1548692871678664710
=> ↺ https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1548692871678664710
16:52 TR Bot; Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Meanwhile on Russian state TV: Apti Alaudinov, the commander of Ramzan Kadyrov's Chechen detachment "Akhmat," tells state TV host Olga Skabeeva that Russian forces in Ukraine are fighting "holy war" against the LGBT & the Antichrist. He hopes Russia will soon face off with NATO."|nitter
16:52 matey; software thats truly unforkable is de facto non-free
16:53 matey; rms doesnt believe this exists, even when its right in front of him
16:53 matey; this is something hes simply wrong about
16:53 matey; freedom 4 (the right to remove the software) stands against this. freedom 4 was a de facto freedom. you could even call it freedom -1
16:54 matey; without the freedom to remove the software, the other freedoms are threatened
16:55 matey; you cant use the software for any purpose
16:55 matey; you cant study how the software works-- at least linus cant study how linux works
16:55 matey; you cant fork the software, so freedom 3 is out
16:56 matey; and as for verbatim copies, bloat certainly places limits on that and lockin makes it a more demanding task because
16:56 matey; for example, with rust how many verbatim copies do you need to have?
16:56 matey; with the right to make copies this is kind of a stretch
16:56 matey; but still notably affected imo
16:57 matey; if you cant remove the software, the whole premise of "controlling your computing" really becomes a farce
16:57 matey; stallman and the entire fsf FUCKED UP royally
16:57 matey; the dropped the ball in 2014, and never got it back
16:57 matey; people begged them
16:58 matey; roy says ibm... hey, maybe
16:58 matey; but if ibm meant they couldnt do their job, then they fucked up the minute they trusted them
16:58 matey; what about red hat
16:58 matey; they fucked that up too
16:58 matey; trusting a corporation with gcc and gdb
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
16:59 matey; thats like the queen of england trusting the crown jewels to barclays bank
16:59 matey; you dont put them in a fucking safe deposit box
16:59 matey; or maybe you do (but i highly doubt it)
17:00 matey; the fsf COMPLETLY fucked up
17:00 matey; 10 years running
17:00 matey; blew the entire mission of free software
17:00 matey; (they had plenty of help)
17:00 matey; result: gnu will die
17:00 matey; i think maybe parts of it will be forked
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17:00 matey; bbut most of it wont be
17:01 matey; most gnu forks would be like trinity at best
17:01 matey; something makes gnu unmaintainable
17:02 matey; like linux, it drifts towards the same problem that systemd has
17:02 matey; it becomes a dumping ground
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17:02 matey; when people realise that the REAL magic of gnu was the license paired with de facto freedom 4
17:02 matey; and that gnu coded itself right out of freedom 4
17:03 matey; all theyre going to do is fork other things that do the same job
17:03 matey; this is sort of tragic because gnu has incredible relevance to the movement
17:03 matey; its loss is the movements loss
17:04 matey; but the movement has already lost gnu, it doesnt even know why
17:04 matey; rejecting freedom 4-- not officially, but in practice
17:04 matey; is the error in theory that will be the death of gnu
17:05 matey; the fsd is a theory, like evolution (in that it tries to explain something that definitely happens)
17:05 matey; evolution is a process. darwinism is an explanation of that process
17:06 matey; without freedom 4, the fsd is like lamarkianism
17:07 matey; it only leads to strategies that will fail (and have failed)
17:07 matey; when you get science wrong, the application will (ultimately) be wrong
17:08 matey; the 4 freedoms are the point, of course-- we want them, we need them. without them its non-free
17:08 matey; its just that they rest on, depend on, a de facto freedom that stallman just doesnt get
17:08 matey; a freedom that was always there. but you know what happens to freedom thats neglected and not used
17:08 matey; it dies
17:09 matey; and if a de facto freedom the other 4 depended on dies
17:09 matey; obviously, they die with it
17:09 matey; thats the non-future of gnu
17:09 matey; and the fsf is already dead
17:10 MinceR; which is freedom 4?
17:10 matey; openbsd is forkable, at least. its the best example i know, but it cant be the only example
17:11 matey; which is freedom 4? http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/replace-freedom.png
=> http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/replace-freedom.png
17:12 matey; "replace-- the freedom to NOT run the software"
17:13 matey; systemd is the best example of lacking freedom 4, but everything else ive said this hour is about other examples
17:13 matey; rust and ultimately linux are most likely examples of the same
17:13 MinceR; ic
17:14 matey; its my opinion (obviously) that if the fsf had understood this, and acted
17:14 TR News; How efficient can cat(1) be? - Ariadnes Space https://ariadne.space/2022/07/17/how-efficient-can-cat1-be/ Source: ariadne | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ariadne.space/2022/07/17/how-efficient-can-cat1-be/
=> ↺ https://ariadne.space/2022/07/17/how-efficient-can-cat1-be/
=> ↺ gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ariadne.space/2022/07/17/how-efficient-can-cat1-be/
17:14 TR Bot; How efficient can cat(1) be? Ariadne's Space
17:14 matey; they could not have supported systemd or rustification of software
17:14 matey; id compare it to newtonian physics
17:14 matey; newtonian physics are far from worthless
17:15 matey; but there are other things working beneath them, that newton didnt understand (how could he)
17:15 TR News; Planet Ubuntu and Planet Fedora: we run "content" about Apple MacOS.... but never mind, it's not like we have much of a community left anyway. We chose ShitHub and Microsoft instead.
17:15 matey; theyre a foundation of our understanding, useful even today
17:15 matey; they matter
17:15 matey; and the workings beneath them dont entirely negate them
17:16 schestowitz[TR]; its my opinion (obviously) that if the fsf had understood this, and acted
17:16 schestowitz[TR]; fsf very inactive this year
17:16 matey; its just that without that additional understanding, sometimes newtonian physics dont quite work (at some levesl) and we dont know why
17:16 matey; <schestowitz[TR]> fsf very inactive this year <- theyre done
17:16 matey; once an organisation stops standing for its cause and switches over entirely to "awareness"
17:16 schestowitz[TR]; they keep the szite online and have irc sessions
17:16 schestowitz[TR]; in a hostile network (imho)
17:17 schestowitz[TR]; even mike gerwitz left or something... he helped with FSD and weekly/monthly updates on gnu releases
17:17 schestowitz[TR]; now it's done by bendali
17:17 matey; i didnt know (im sceptical actually) that gerwitz was gone
17:17 schestowitz[TR]; not entirely
17:18 matey; i know he did fsd, but just because someone else does the announcements doesnt mean that gerwitz "left"
17:18 matey; thats like saying stallmans not president because he doesnt hack on emacs anymore
17:18 schestowitz[TR]; ""Hello! I'm Amin Bandali, and starting this month I'm taking over the GNU Spotlight from my fellow GNU hacker and free software activist Mike Gerwitz.
17:18 matey; yeah
17:18 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/march-gnu-spotlight-with-amin-bandali-eleven-new-gnu-releases
=> ↺ https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/march-gnu-spotlight-with-amin-bandali-eleven-new-gnu-releases
17:18 schestowitz[TR]; march
17:18 matey; but thats a single task
17:18 TR Bot; March GNU Spotlight with Amin Bandali: Eleven new GNU releases! Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
17:18 matey; right, but thats a single task
17:18 matey; so was that the sole thing gerwitz did at the fsf?
17:19 matey; public-facing and non-public-facing
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17:19 matey; i mean if gerwitz decided the toilets are really filthy and that should be his focus at the fsf, i wouldnt hold it against him
17:19 schestowitz[TR]; "Mike, thank you so much for all your work over the past four years for curating and preparing the monthly GNU Spotlight, which is a personal favorite part of the Free Software Supporter for me. I will do my best to continue in your steps in bringing exciting news on new releases of GNU packages to our dear readers.
17:19 schestowitz[TR]; "
17:20 matey; Mike, thank you so much for all your work over the past four years for curating and preparing the monthly GNU Spotlight <- you see how this doesnt answer my question
17:20 matey; as it pertains only to that one task
17:20 matey; im not saying you should know the answer
17:20 matey; i dont know the answer either
17:20 *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@2h2f3rha8wtcu.irc) has joined #techrights
17:20 matey; but if you do know the answer, that isnt it
17:21 TR News; Phoronix slowinng down. 5 posts in weekends, used to be about 10.
17:21 matey; if gerwitz literally had one job, and hes not doing it, AND he hasnt found a new one, then hes not there
17:22 matey; if he stopped one task of several, or his only job and has a new task, hes not gone necessarily
17:22 schestowitz[TR]; same for jperlow
17:22 matey; we simply cant tell by whether or not hes doing gnu spotlight
17:22 schestowitz[TR]; they are less active
17:22 schestowitz[TR]; they lessen involvement or commitment
17:22 matey; the organisation itself is done
17:22 matey; it doesnt stand for anything so its primary cause to exist is :P
17:23 matey; its the non-profit equivalent of a shell corporation
17:23 matey; gave its biggest assets to ibm
17:23 matey; barclays crown jewels
17:23 matey; ltd
17:23 matey; to ibm <- and maybe microsoft
17:24 matey; then just to be thorough, they killed free software jesus!
17:25 matey; its not enough to destroy the temple
17:25 TR News; 15 Best Free Linux ERP Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167340
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167340
17:26 TR Bot; 15 Best Free Linux ERP Software | Tux Machines
17:26 schestowitz[TR]; the next step is topping up CoC with DoD
17:26 schestowitz[TR]; a new contract for who can play ball
17:26 matey; you mean CoE
17:26 matey; DoD was always part of the picture
17:26 schestowitz[TR]; DoD DeciiDes
17:26 schestowitz[TR]; no, this is more blatant now
17:26 matey; deicides too
17:27 schestowitz[TR]; https://lwn.net/Articles/901254/
=> ↺ https://lwn.net/Articles/901254/
17:27 TR Bot; US military wants to understand the most important software on Earth (MIT Technology Review) [LWN.net]
17:27 schestowitz[TR]; the comments here are good
17:27 schestowitz[TR]; ignore the article
17:27 matey; standing up to the dod isnt impossible
17:27 schestowitz[TR]; focus on the kernel reactions to it
17:27 matey; de raadt did it
17:27 schestowitz[TR]; in the name of "protecting" us
17:27 matey; so did the pentagon papers guy
17:27 schestowitz[TR]; matey: yes, to darpa
17:28 schestowitz[TR]; this article is about darpa
17:28 schestowitz[TR]; DARPA/DoD taking CoC up a notch these days; they'll soon demand that only Pentagon-approved coders can develop Free software that the US adopts for use https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/07/14/1055900/download-open-source-insecurity-linux-military-gene-editing-plants-crispr/
17:28 TR Bot; Russian propaganda is filtering back onto social media | MIT Technology Review
17:28 matey; darpa is a subet of the dod, i think
17:28 matey; subset
17:28 schestowitz[TR]; DARPA stands for Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. Is DoD renamed from Department of WAR to "Defense" (narrative reversal), then DARPA is really WARPA! War or Weapons Advanced Research Projects Agency
17:28 matey; if youre standing up to darpa youre standing up to the dod
17:28 schestowitz[TR]; it's the "gewnerous" and science-loving arm
17:29 matey; like bell labs to bell
17:29 schestowitz[TR]; "labs"
17:29 matey; together with al gore they invented the internet
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17:29 matey; okay, bell unisex mancave then
17:29 schestowitz[TR]; he said he had offered some funding
17:29 britney; DARPA funds HAARP - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program
=> ↺ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program
17:29 TR Bot; High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program - Wikipedia
17:29 matey; /me has seen pictures
17:29 schestowitz[TR]; but the internet started when gore was a kid, I think
17:30 matey; vint cerf (who really did invent the internet) defended gore
17:30 schestowitz[TR]; "the internet" = packet protoicols?
17:30 matey; what gore actually did was push the internet into the next stage of funding
17:31 matey; without gore, the american aspect of the internet might have gone the way of the dear hubble telescope
17:31 schestowitz[TR]; now the US gives funding to companies that militarise the Internet
17:31 matey; imagine the internet not lasting longer than habble
17:31 matey; hubble
17:31 schestowitz[TR]; it'll hobble its way
17:31 schestowitz[TR]; somehow
17:33 matey; militarising the internet is like religiousising jesus
17:33 matey; if you want to win this, youll have to take over the military
17:33 matey; short of that, youll have to be like de raadt
17:34 matey; note that de raadt succeeded in that where stallman failed
17:34 matey; im not saying de raadt is a better person, or a stronger activist
17:34 matey; only that he was successful
17:34 matey; i dont think of de raadt as an activist really
17:34 schestowitz[TR]; is he an activist?
17:34 matey; no
17:34 matey; but he shows a lot of integrity
17:34 schestowitz[TR]; you beat me to it
17:35 matey; and integrity without activism can trump activism without integrity
17:35 matey; i think stallman has at least as much integrity as de raadt
17:35 matey; though in fairness-- stallman was never fair to de raadt
17:36 matey; and de raadt... was pretty vicious in his self-defence
17:36 matey; to the point where i thought he was simply an arsehole
17:36 matey; but i only had one half of the story
17:36 matey; if present me told past me id be an openbsd fan, id be completely shocked
17:36 matey; but past me only had half of the story
17:37 matey; openbsd isnt forkable because de raadt is an activist
17:38 matey; openbsd is forkable because its freely licensed and well designed
17:38 matey; which gets back to what psydruid was saying
17:38 matey; only i think poorly designed software can be forked sometimes
17:38 matey; it depends imo on what kind of poor design
17:39 matey; so i dont think hes wrong, its more like im quibbling (but i do that when i think its an important quibble)
17:39 matey; (and sometimes just for fun, but this time its important)
17:39 schestowitz[TR]; there is a japenese distro basdd on openbsd
17:39 schestowitz[TR]; but not a fork
17:40 schestowitz[TR]; I forgot its werird name
17:40 schestowitz[TR]; fungula something
17:40 matey; openbsd doesnt have a live edition
17:40 matey; fuguita
17:40 matey; which to me sounds italian, not japanese :)
17:40 schestowitz[TR]; but it is japenese
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17:40 matey; im joking, it sounds very japanese. but not the way i imagine it being pronounced :)
17:40 schestowitz[TR]; sabayon is gone
17:40 schestowitz[TR]; I thought about it 2 days ago
17:40 schestowitz[TR]; its developer too is hardly heard of any longer
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17:41 schestowitz[TR]; he used to be rather vocal and high profile
17:41 matey; i thought sabayon was related to antix
17:41 matey; there were two or three distros that were related
17:41 matey; in the way that funtoo is related to other things
17:41 schestowitz[TR]; the only well known gentoo deriv now is chromeos and it's horrific to one's freedom
17:42 matey; except for the init :)
17:42 matey; but yeah, definitely
17:42 matey; i tried chromeos but i didnt inhale
17:42 matey; but seriously, i have tried chromeos
17:42 schestowitz[TR]; it tired you
17:42 matey; probably for less than a week, and certainly when it was newer
17:42 schestowitz[TR]; *tried
17:42 matey; all distros try me.
17:42 schestowitz[TR]; chromeos is useless
17:43 matey; close enough
17:43 schestowitz[TR]; unless you turn it into something else or wire and replace it
17:43 matey; yeah
17:43 schestowitz[TR]; *wipe
17:43 schestowitz[TR]; the direction of windiows is the same
17:43 schestowitz[TR]; I saw it briefly
17:43 schestowitz[TR]; they removed a lot of things
17:43 matey; when i try things like chromeos, and its separated-at-birth twin, android-x86
17:43 schestowitz[TR]; it's mean to limit what users can do
17:43 schestowitz[TR]; di-empower people
17:43 schestowitz[TR]; I suppose regimes like it better that way
17:43 schestowitz[TR]; restrictive guis
17:44 schestowitz[TR]; the software is remoate
17:44 schestowitz[TR]; the files are remote
17:44 schestowitz[TR]; a third party can do things to your files
17:44 schestowitz[TR]; a third party can do things to 'your' software]
17:44 schestowitz[TR]; it just changes any tie they wish
17:44 schestowitz[TR]; *time
17:44 schestowitz[TR]; this isn't a brand issue
17:44 schestowitz[TR]; it's a trend issue
17:45 matey; http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Librethreat_Database#Appliance-like_Distributions
=> http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Librethreat_Database#Appliance-like_Distributions
17:45 TR Bot; Librethreat Database - Techrights
17:45 schestowitz[TR]; and over time a lot of power was taken away from users
17:45 schestowitz[TR]; and control over their files
17:45 schestowitz[TR]; last njight we spoke about why gnu/linux distros, without your consent, start mining and indexing all your files
17:45 schestowitz[TR]; and slow down your machine building models from your stored files
17:45 matey; via which component
17:45 *CrystalMath (~coderain@jphct4zj8vt3w.irc) has joined #techrights
17:45 schestowitz[TR]; baloo/depumok/akonadi..
17:45 matey; i saw a video on youtube
17:45 matey; the worst gnu/linux distro
17:45 schestowitz[TR]; *nepu
17:46 matey; baloo/depumok/akonadi <- so kde
17:46 schestowitz[TR]; no
17:46 schestowitz[TR]; also gnome tracker
17:46 schestowitz[TR]; sometime,s both
17:46 matey; oh
17:46 schestowitz[TR]; griding away at the disk
17:46 matey; http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Librethreat_Database#GNOME
=> http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Librethreat_Database#GNOME
17:46 TR Bot; Librethreat Database - Techrights
17:46 matey; :)
17:48 matey; gnome is freely licensed
17:48 matey; so technically you can just fork it, problem solved :>
17:48 schestowitz[TR]; mate,
17:48 schestowitz[TR]; cinnamon
17:48 schestowitz[TR]; what else?
17:48 schestowitz[TR]; KDE has TDE
17:48 matey; mate is like trinity, but
17:48 XRevan86; GNOME Flashback, in a way.
17:48 matey; i didnt mention it when i was talking about trinity
17:49 matey; trinity is a grey area
17:49 matey; maybe the edge of whats forkable
17:49 matey; mate... might have better odds
17:49 matey; i dont hate gnome 2
17:49 XRevan86; Trinity is stuck on TQt3.
17:49 matey; i liked gnome 2
17:49 matey; Trinity is stuck on TQt3 <- that is actually the point
17:49 schestowitz[TR]; matey: you will like mate
17:49 XRevan86; Yes, in that Trinity is unique.
17:49 matey; thats funny
17:49 matey; but i used mate
17:50 schestowitz[TR]; rianne tried it
17:50 matey; and mate is a perfectly reasonable replacement of gnome 2 of course
17:50 matey; only the names have been changed, to protect microsoft
17:50 matey; if i was going to use a github-based desktop
17:50 matey; i would go back to icewm.
17:50 matey; but i liked mate-- even more, i like what mate was trying to do
17:51 matey; make it so that people didnt have to get roped into gnome 3
17:51 matey; gnome was like "fuck you, eat it and like it"
17:51 TR News; "Unfortunately, this airlines network engineers know how to restrict access to just messaging. I keep getting incomplete headers whenever I try to connect to a Gemini server. I guess theres a whitelist or something that allows certain domains only, e.g. WhatsApp, iMessage, &c." gemini://eph.smol.pub/1658053571
=> ↺ gemini://eph.smol.pub/1658053571
17:51 matey; mate was like: "or not!"
17:51 matey; so mate had my admiration for that
17:52 matey; i only have two things against mate and one isnt their fault
17:52 matey; the first is github-- thats their fault
17:52 TR News; "I'm glad at least one other person finds my Sefaria proxy useful :D Also wanted to write that I haven't forgotten about the bugs in the proxy. I'm working on fixing them, I just have 5 million projects I'm working on for gemini, lol." gemini://station.martinrue.com/krixano/f4dae86a74994099801655e652da705c
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17:52 matey; the second is they were systematically marginalised by debian
17:52 matey; debian seems to have a real problem with any attempt to make software a fucking choice
17:52 matey; they werent alwasy like that-- quite the contrary
17:52 matey; but they did it to mate, they did it to sysvinit
17:53 matey; and that wasnt even the first time
17:53 matey; and each time they did it, debian lost me
17:53 matey; one year, my gf and i made fucking debian christmas ornaments
17:53 matey; i used to have a debian logo on my monitor
17:53 matey; i thought about getting a fucking debian tattoo
17:53 matey; thank christ i didnt
17:53 matey; on my monito <- instead of whatever brand the monitor was
17:54 matey; but each time debian pulled a fuck-the-user move, they lost me
17:54 schestowitz[TR]; deb is alive
17:54 schestowitz[TR]; ian is dead
17:54 matey; THEY LIVE!
17:54 schestowitz[TR]; wipo decides on the trademark this week
17:54 schestowitz[TR]; your monitor can be sued
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17:54 schestowitz[TR]; and repossessed by spi :-)
17:54 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Live
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17:55 TR Bot; They Live - Wikipedia
17:55 matey; i dont have that monitor anymore
17:55 matey; and i removed the debian lego anyway
17:55 matey; spi is a scam
17:55 schestowitz[TR]; there are now some people CALLED "Debian"
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17:55 matey; it should be called sci digital
17:55 matey; software in the corporate interest
17:55 matey; "-digital" as a joke
17:56 matey; sky digital is a notoriously sleazy outfit
17:56 matey; murdoch? (not ian, rupert)
17:56 matey; murdock/murdoch isnt even a connection i was going for
17:56 matey; its just an example of a silly joke that makes you go "whoa" when you find the other connections
17:56 matey; at least until you put the weed down
17:57 matey; (i havent actually smoked in a year or so, and i havent many times)
17:57 matey; (that was medical grade though. "whoa")
17:58 matey; elon musk will put ai in weed of course
17:58 matey; in soviet russia, car drives you (i think you did this one already)
17:58 matey; (you probably werent the first either)
17:58 TR News; Quantum Games -- Really! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rdC4QPoAEaA Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//yewtu.be/watch?v=rdC4QPoAEaA
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17:58 matey; its probably got its own subreddit
17:59 TR Bot; Quantum Games -- Really! - Invidious
17:59 matey; The end of an era as Rupert Murdoch's 21st Century Fox exits Sky
17:59 matey; news.sky.com/
17:59 TR News; Notice how malicious surveillance has become... and who for https://www.techtarget.com/making-sense-of-intent-data-for-sales-and-marketing-pros/
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17:59 TR Bot; Sense of Intent Data for Sales and Marketing Pros - TechTarget
18:00 matey; so theres a connection, but im not sure what the nature of it is
18:00 matey; How Sky turned on the Rupert Murdoch agenda under new ownership
18:00 matey; inews.co.uk
18:00 TR News; "Mapping out your purchase intent data journey" wtf?
18:01 matey; LONDON (Reuters Breakingviews) - Rupert Murdoch's latest promises lack credibility. The media mogul's 21st Century Fox offered concessions to protect the independence of Sky's news arm in an...
18:01 matey; see, thats what they should have said about ibm promising it wouldnt control red hat
18:01 matey; "lacks credibility"
18:01 TR News; Social control media = metaphorical electrodes for "purchase intent data journey"
18:01 matey; Rupert Murdoch's Attempted Takeover Of Sky Has Been Provisionally Blocked
18:02 matey; but sky is still sleazy. just not rupert murdoch sleazy, i guess
18:02 matey; you have to get up pretty early in the dark ages to be as sleazy as murdoch
18:02 TR News; BigCorp: we need to maximise our "purchase intent data journey"... DO IT, GEEK!
18:02 matey; 2017: Murdoch is no longer the big man of this multimedia age
18:02 matey; well yeah, hes ancient
18:03 matey; march 1931!
18:03 schestowitz[TR]; murdoch "Diversified"
18:04 matey; so in his 90s
18:04 schestowitz[TR]; Murdochs Nuclear Option https://michaelwest.com.au/murdochs-nuclear-option/
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18:04 TR Bot; Murdoch's Nuclear Option - Michael West
18:04 matey; practically old enough to be stallmans dad
18:04 schestowitz[TR]; "are you my real dad, dude...?
18:05 matey; oh and
18:05 matey; he took over news limited from his family
18:06 britney; matey - https://spyscape.com/article/mysteries-of-the-illuminati-the-secret-rulers-of-the-world
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18:06 TR Bot; Secrets of the Illuminati: The Top-Secret Society With Plans to Rule the World
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18:07 matey; illuminati... never heard of them https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tCXGJQYZ9JA en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Brown
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18:07 TR Bot; Taylor Swift - Delicate - Invidious
18:08 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupac
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18:08 TR Bot; Tupac Shakur - Wikipedia
18:09 matey; Shakur was born in New York City to parents who were both political activists and Black Panther Party members.
18:09 matey; did not know they were both black panthers
18:10 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GpPbYGJRg0Q
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18:10 TR Bot; ( status 500 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GpPbYGJRg0Q )
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18:10 schestowitz[TR]; bagira?
18:11 matey; that might not be the interview i was looking for
18:11 schestowitz[TR]; grew up like a jungle book
18:11 matey; he did an mtv interview that didnt air and it criticised capitalism
18:11 schestowitz[TR]; so did mlk
18:11 schestowitz[TR]; but the MSM does not mention this
18:11 schestowitz[TR]; same for malala
18:11 schestowitz[TR]; they cherry-pick
18:12 schestowitz[TR]; like "sjw" do
18:12 matey; sjw, fake left
18:12 schestowitz[TR]; corporate pseudo-activism
18:12 matey; the same
18:13 schestowitz[TR]; bombing ok
18:13 matey; hijack a cause. do coke. sell products.
18:13 schestowitz[TR]; just describe the corpses using their pronouns fo choice
18:13 matey; tank man (he/him)
18:14 TR News; "BMW Group's membership restates their commitment to work with, and in, sustainable ecosystems".. meh, spits coffee... yeah, nothing says "sustainable ecosystems" like BMW cars https://www.theautochannel.com/news/2022/07/15/1168186-bmw-group-joins-linux-foundation-s-yocto-project.html
18:14 TR Bot; BMW Group Joins the Linux Foundation's Yocto Project
18:17 matey; when people who dont know anything about politics take up legitimate leftish causes, they run out of ideas and ultimately turn to corporations to solve their problems
18:17 matey; the fsf is a prime example
18:17 matey; but it wouldnt be that way without having its legitimacy stamped out of it by open source
18:18 matey; open source is a supreme example
18:18 matey; of course it panders to the left
18:18 matey; pandering is what open source actually means
18:18 matey; open source panders to fucking everything
18:19 schestowitz[TR]; I think yuo conflate coporations with left
18:19 schestowitz[TR]; the "right" is more corporate-firiendly
18:19 schestowitz[TR]; open source is pandering to capitalists
18:19 matey; thats the most ridiculous thing youve ever said
18:19 schestowitz[TR]; the losers with suits and ties
18:19 matey; i said that the fake left turns to corporations
18:19 matey; thats not possible if the left and corporations are the same thing
18:19 schestowitz[TR]; these typos:
18:19 schestowitz[TR]; "Mapping out your purchase intent data journey" wtf?
18:20 schestowitz[TR]; *types
18:20 matey; the fake left is fake not-corporate
18:20 schestowitz[TR]; open source is a supreme example
18:20 schestowitz[TR]; of course it panders to the left
18:21 schestowitz[TR]; criticising OSI is homoiphobic
18:21 matey; yes well
18:21 matey; when i said osi is terrible, of course i meant gay people
18:21 schestowitz[TR]; http://techrights.org/2021/06/01/wikipedia-osi/
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18:21 TR Bot; The Libel Initiative: OSI President Falsely Insinuates OSI Critics Are Homophobic and Requests Censorship of Wikipedia (for OSI) | Techrights
18:22 TR News; SunFounder Raspberry Pi 7 Inch Touchscreen review Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167341
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18:22 TR Bot; SunFounder Raspberry Pi 7 Inch Touchscreen review | Tux Machines
18:22 schestowitz[TR]; those tactics become more universal in some circles
18:22 schestowitz[TR]; like insinuating techrights is tolerating rape
18:23 schestowitz[TR]; based on nothing
18:23 schestowitz[TR]; spamnil used to compare me to trump
18:23 matey; no i remember you did an article called "rape isnt so bad, we should just learn to live with it"
18:23 schestowitz[TR]; not baseing it on anything
18:23 matey; (not really)
18:23 schestowitz[TR]; just saying "trump"
18:24 matey; playing the trump card
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18:24 matey; i could list the things you have in common with trump, but it wouldnt serve any purpose here
18:24 schestowitz[TR]; how about joe biden, eh?
18:24 schestowitz[TR]; some anti-trump..
18:24 matey; at any rate, you dont have anything in common with trump that spamnil doesnt also have
18:25 schestowitz[TR]; Donald Biden https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/15/bone-saw-pariah-fist-bump-outrage-biden-greets-murderous-saudi-prince | Source: Common Dream
18:25 TR Bot; From 'Bone Saw' to 'Pariah' to 'Fist Bump': Outrage as Biden Greets Murderous Saudi Prince
18:25 matey; joe biden is a member of the clinton dynasty
18:25 matey; trump may have also been at one point
18:25 schestowitz[TR]; later in october or november they won't earn votes
18:25 matey; but trump went farther right
18:25 schestowitz[TR]; and GOPKK regains seats
18:25 schestowitz[TR]; and then they tell us the PROGRESSIVES are the problem
18:25 matey; votes? where were going, we dont need... votes
18:25 schestowitz[TR]; for not learning to accept MbS
18:26 matey; fake progressives are a problem
18:26 matey; they keep politics in a pro-corporate holding pattern
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18:26 schestowitz[TR]; like people who work for salesforce
18:26 schestowitz[TR]; ICE
18:26 schestowitz[TR]; and use Gtihub (propriewtary
18:26 schestowitz[TR]; while running OSI
18:26 matey; thats homophobic
18:26 schestowitz[TR]; and then condemning GitHub over ICEE
18:26 schestowitz[TR]; while taking salries from slaesforce (ICE)
18:26 schestowitz[TR]; that's the fakes in a nutshell
18:27 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icee
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18:27 TR Bot; The Icee Company - Wikipedia
18:27 schestowitz[TR]; by the way, I got legal threat from someone who is himself defaming many people
18:27 schestowitz[TR]; and whose partner was sued for defamation
18:27 schestowitz[TR]; so now the defamers theaten to sue
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18:27 schestowitz[TR]; that's fake progressives for you
18:27 matey; and whose partner was sued for defamation <- thats interesting
18:28 matey; i can think of a few reasons people would sue you. the primary one being because you criticise corporations
18:28 matey; but i dont think any of them will take
18:29 schestowitz[TR]; https://www.law360.com/cases/5ca508fe4e4a6f7fec01f971 https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14868600/todd-v-reichwein/ https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/USCOURTS-cand-4_19-cv-01751
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18:29 TR Bot; Todd v. Reichwein
18:29 TR Bot; v. Lovecruft, 4:19-cv-01751 CourtListener.com
18:29 TR Bot; govinfo
18:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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18:30 matey; the slurpee was invented because a soda fountain was broken
18:31 matey; his soda fountain broke, leaving Knedlik without cold drinks in the Kansas heat. So he sent away for bottles of soda and plunged them into the frosty depths of his freezer to chill for his thirsty customers. When he popped the lids, the sodas instantly turned slushy
18:32 matey; and it came from dairy queen
18:33 schestowitz[TR]; weird story
18:34 matey; In 1965, the ICEE craze got the attention of 7-Eleven stores who purchased some of the machines, renaming their frosty brew Slurpee
18:34 matey; i did not know they came from the same inventor.
18:34 matey; ive had an icee. i did not know slurpees originated with icee
18:35 matey; i didnt know they were connected to dairy queen
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; makes sense
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; you can delier and leverage channels
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; send ice cream
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; along with frozen goods based on water
18:35 matey; but again, it was an accident
18:35 schestowitz[TR]; so they say
18:35 matey; they sold sodas. the machine broke
18:36 matey; they stuck cans in a freezer
18:36 schestowitz[TR]; sounds llike an urban legand
18:36 matey; then they set out to imitate the effect
18:36 schestowitz[TR]; it's not like a hard inven tion to come by
18:36 matey; no it was literally an accident
18:36 schestowitz[TR]; I reckon some humans tens off thousanmds of years ago could figure out a way
18:36 matey; one ive made myself in my freezer many unforunate times
18:36 matey; frozen soda in a freezer is a BITCH to clean
18:37 schestowitz[TR]; use BLEACH
18:37 schestowitz[TR]; BLEACH PLEASE!
18:37 matey; bleachbitch
18:37 matey; works on bathroom servers
18:37 matey; with scripting bubbles
18:38 schestowitz[TR]; BELCH PLEASE. sudo BELCH PLEASE. OK.
18:38 matey; Because few people experience brain freeze when enjoying a cold treat, some scientists believe the trigeminal nerve may be more sensitive in these individuals.
18:39 matey; the scientific name for brain freeze
18:39 matey; sphenopalatine ganglioneuralgia
18:39 matey; wasnt he in star wars
18:41 matey; https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/brain-freeze/
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18:41 TR Bot; The science behind what causes brain freeze and how to stop it | BBC Science Focus Magazine
18:42 matey; As the pain does not last long, there is no point in reaching for the painkillers as the sensation will have passed by the time the drugs kick in. The best thing to do is to spit out the offending food (if youre in casual company!) and try to warm the roof of your mouth as quickly as possible either by pressing your tongue against your palate, or by taking a sip of a warm drink.
18:43 matey; really just a few sips of water (not iced) usually does it
18:43 matey; you dont have to spit anything out
18:44 matey; defragging https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/does-the-brain-eat-itself/
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18:44 TR Bot; Yes, your brain is eating itself all the time. Here's why | BBC Science Focus Magazine
18:45 matey; technically this means we are all zombies
18:45 matey; not just jesus
18:46 matey; Although not identifying direct causal links, an Imperial College London survey of over 250,000 people found that those who read a lot scored more highly for verbal intelligence and gamers scored more highly for working memory.
18:46 matey; https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/can-i-boost-my-iq/
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18:46 TR Bot; IQ | What is it, and can you boost yours? | BBC Science Focus Magazine
18:47 matey; so gaming increases more than hand-eye coordination
18:47 matey; While the jurys out on whether attempting to increase your IQ is worth it, you might just find increased exercise, reading and gaming are ultimately more rewarding than a number on a scale.
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18:51 TR News; Links 17/07/2022: Microsofts Ramped Up Attacks on GNU/Linux, Sparky 2022.07 Special Editions | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/sparky-2022-07-special-editions/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/17/sparky-2022-07-special-editions/
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18:51 TR Bot; Links 17/07/2022: Microsofts Ramped Up Attacks on GNU/Linux, Sparky 2022.07 Special Editions | Techrights
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19:00 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167342
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19:00 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
19:02 TR News; Desktop/Laptop/Consoles With GNU/Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167343
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19:02 TR Bot; Desktop/Laptop/Consoles With GNU/Linux | Tux Machines
19:03 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167344
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19:03 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
19:10 Ariadne; linode has really taken a crap since akamai bought them: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/108664013608711047
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19:10 TR Bot; Ariadne Conill: "kn-dfw-wrk01: 16.3% steal time over the past 6 ho" - Treehouse Mastodon
19:21 schestowitz[TR]; when you mentioned linode I was gonna mention aakmai
19:21 schestowitz[TR]; but I did not know they had already cnhanged things
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19:21 DaemonFC; frozen soda in a freezer is a BITCH to clean
19:22 DaemonFC; Yeah, I accidentally blew up a can of diet pepsi before we moved out of Rogers Park where that insane landlord was fucking with me every day and breaking the law and raising our rent constantly by ridiculous amounts.
19:23 DaemonFC; She took a picture of it while she was blowing up my phone at 2-3 AM (and she had entered our apartment while we were still paid up, to do that!) and threatened that she would "Add cleaning fees to our bill.".
19:24 DaemonFC; I told her we weren't quite finished and the place would be clean, and that I planned to complain to the city about her illegal entry into the unit and several other things and go to the police because telephone harassment is illegal, if she continued to bother us.
19:24 DaemonFC; I said, "I know your husband is a lawyer. If you want him representing you in a criminal trial for harassment then you can keep going.".
19:25 DaemonFC; But exploded soft drinks are not difficult if the refrigerator is empty anyway.
19:25 DaemonFC; Just unplug it and prop the door and when it reaches room temperature, you just wipe it up.
19:25 DaemonFC; That's why I hadn't cleaned it up when it happened.
19:26 DaemonFC; I didn't want to chisel frozen pepsi off the freezer and we were moving in two weeks anyway.
19:26 DaemonFC; Easier to just deal with it then.
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19:27 DaemonFC; Mr. GULAG never had a problem working for a company that helped Trump kill kids in cages.
19:28 DaemonFC; Google's trying to make pregnant women feel safer about using it.
19:28 DaemonFC; It basically admits "OK, so if you use Google we have a lot of information that could send you to prison. But....trust us, we won't log your visits to abortion clinics!".
19:28 DaemonFC; Well, that's one thing, and maybe they will and maybe they won't, but it hardly matters.
19:29 DaemonFC; The average Android app from the Play store has about 20 tracking libraries and they all have GPS access.
19:29 DaemonFC; So Ken Paxton goes and pays one of them and bypasses the courts and hands that data to the local prosecutor instead.
19:29 DaemonFC; mjg59_ helped a company that will soon put women in prison for abortions.
19:29 DaemonFC; He's really really big on the whole sjw thing, you know.
19:30 DaemonFC; Maybe Google won't do it directly, but their platform is made to leak data, so it will.
19:30 DaemonFC; If you go out of state for an abortion, you need to leave your phone at home.
19:31 DaemonFC; And you need to not use Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo, etc to look for info about clinics or how to get the abortion pill or something, because then they'll have that.
19:32 DaemonFC; I mean, like, if you use Tor Browser and set it to "Safest" and use DuckDuckGo Lite (the one where there's no JavaScript), you might be okay.
19:32 DaemonFC; Running JavaScript and other active content just creates too many situations where an unmasking attack against you goes ahead and works.
19:33 DaemonFC; And people aren't technical experts. They won't know all this stuff.
19:33 DaemonFC; They'll open Chrome and type in "How do I get to the abortion clinic in Illinois?" and then BAM, 10 years in prison when they get back to Texas.
19:33 DaemonFC; You know, take their "phone" with them.
19:34 DaemonFC; Location data leaking out, gets bought in bulk by prosecutors who don't need a warrant now.
19:34 DaemonFC; If you're looking up anything that even may be a crime....that's not how you do it.
19:34 DaemonFC; For years and years, they just go pull all your Google shit, including search histories.
19:35 DaemonFC; "He was looking at this, he wanted to know that!"
19:35 DaemonFC; "Well, why would you want to know how to build a bomb if you aren't the guy who built a bomb!?"
19:35 DaemonFC; That's Google working as it was designed.
19:35 DaemonFC; Now it will go after women.
19:35 DaemonFC; For something that was protected by the Constitution for 50 years.
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19:58 TR News; LinuxHint (LinuxHint.com) is Not About Linux Anymore | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/linuxhint-losing-direction/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/17/linuxhint-losing-direction/
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19:58 TR Bot; LinuxHint (LinuxHint.com) is Not About Linux Anymore | Techrights
20:00 TR News; Full Circle Magazine: Full Circle Weekly News #270 https://fullcirclemagazine.org/podcast/full-circle-weekly-news-270/
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20:00 TR Bot; Full Circle Weekly News #270 | Full Circle Magazine
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20:03 TR News; Defects, severe defects again, in x86. Michael checks the impact on his sponsor, Pluton AMD (Microsoft booster) https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Retbleed-Ryzen-7-4800U
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20:03 TR Bot; Current Retbleed Performance Costs With An AMD Ryzen 7 4800U - Phoronix
20:05 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167345
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20:06 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
20:10 Ariadne; at least past me set this up, which is really cool: https://woodpecker.treehouse.systems/treehouse/terraform/build/42/3
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20:10 TR Bot; Woodpecker
20:10 TR News; What COVID-19 does to you gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/stug/phlog/20220717.txt
20:11 TR News; Ignacy Kuchciski: GSoC 2022: Third update - Design https://ignapk.blogspot.com/2022/07/gsoc-2022-third-update-design.html
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20:11 TR Bot; GSoC 2022: Third update - Design
20:12 TR News; "I've finally released a new small version of glib-gtk-book. What triggered my motivation for releasing a new version is a contributor showing up. It stirred up my will to dust a bit the project." https://informatique-libre.be/swilmet/blog/2022-07-17-glib-gtk-book-update.html
=> ↺ https://informatique-libre.be/swilmet/blog/2022-07-17-glib-gtk-book-update.html
20:12 TR Bot; New version of The GLib/GTK Development Platform - A Getting Started Guide :: Sbastien Wilmet's blog
20:12 schestowitz[TR]; Ariadne: I'm ready to be awake all night ahead if necessary for progress to be made on xfs_repair
20:14 TR News; "Forum member esmourguit has sent me new and updated translations for the French language-pack PET. I have updated the PET, so it will be in the fr build of the next release of EasyOS." https://bkhome.org/news/202207/french-langpack-updated-2022-06-28.html
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20:14 TR Bot; French langpack updated 2022-06-28
20:15 TR News; "I posted recently that Debian has deprecated the 'which' utility, that we use to find the path of an executable, or check whether it exists. This is also a busybox utility." https://bkhome.org/news/202207/which-utility-is-deprecated.html
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20:15 TR Bot; which utility is deprecated
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20:21 TR News; Three Main PC Operating Systems and How to Choose the Best One for You https://www.bbntimes.com/technology/three-main-pc-operating-systems-and-how-to-choose-the-best-one-for-you Source: bbntimes | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.bbntimes.com/technology/three-main-pc-operating-systems-and-how-to-choose-the-best-one-for-you
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20:21 TR Bot; Three Main PC Operating Systems and How to Choose the Best One for You
20:21 TR News; Canonical is aware Ubuntu lost its dominance among distros https://theparadise.ng/job-engineering-manager-ubuntu-desktop-gaming-at-canonical/
=> ↺ https://theparadise.ng/job-engineering-manager-ubuntu-desktop-gaming-at-canonical/
20:22 TR Bot; Job: Engineering Manager, Ubuntu Desktop Gaming at Canonical | The Paradise News
20:22 schestowitz[TR]; "Ideas and insights as to how Ubuntu can have a positive impact on Linux gaming
20:22 schestowitz[TR]; "
20:23 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/crabs
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20:23 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Crabs
20:24 TR News; Microsoft and security are not compatible https://thehackernews.com/2022/07/cloud-based-cryptocurrency-miners.html
=> ↺ https://thehackernews.com/2022/07/cloud-based-cryptocurrency-miners.html
20:24 TR Bot; Cloud-based Cryptocurrency Miners Targeting GitHub Actions and Azure VMs
20:26 TR News; LINMOB.net - Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update (28/2022): New Manjaro betas, Sailfish OS supporting VoLTE and RkVDEC progress https://linmob.net/weekly-update-28-2022/ Source: linmob | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linmob.net/weekly-update-28-2022/
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20:26 TR Bot; - Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update (28/2022): New Manjaro betas, Sailfish OS supporting VoLTE and RkVDEC progress
20:30 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167346
=> ↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167346
20:30 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
20:30 TR News; postmarketOS // v22.06.1 Service Pack 1 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167347
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20:31 TR News; Artix 20220713 is out https://artixlinux.org/download.php
=> ↺ https://artixlinux.org/download.php
20:31 TR Bot; postmarketOS // v22.06.1 Service Pack 1 | Tux Machines
20:31 TR Bot; Artix Linux - Download
20:32 TR News; The above spam has become routine in LinuxHint.com and theres also habitual Windows/Microsoft content, which has nothing to do with GNU/Linux and is even worse than the promotion of proprietary things; the sites editors are clearly exploring another direction http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/linuxhint-losing-direction/
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20:33 TR News; "These days I've been working with paper, sticky notes, a lot, and I've been thinking about them. The following are some loose ideas regarding them and potential digital counterparts." gemini://compudanzas.net/biosejo_120220717.gmi
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20:34 TR News; The Dutch Baby Incident gemini://skyjake.fi/gemlog/2022-07_dutch-baby-incident.gmi
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20:45 Ariadne; schestowitz[TR]: yeah when do you want to do the xfs_repair
20:46 schestowitz[TR]; I am available any time
20:46 schestowitz[TR]; we also made a local backup of important files just in case aboout an hour ago
20:48 DaemonFC; https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/lynx/pull-request/4
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20:48 TR Bot; add xhtml-support patch - rpms/lynx - src.fedoraproject.org
20:48 DaemonFC; It's nice to see lynx still gets attention.
20:48 DaemonFC; Lynx is so old I remember talking to the lady at my ISP about it back in their office in 1998.
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20:51 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], It's my goal that everything I write online should be readable even if someone turns off images, videos, Web fonts, and all active content.
20:51 DaemonFC; Unfortunately, all of the desktop publishing applications for Wordpress seem to be dead.
20:52 DaemonFC; But people can read it with Lynx or NewsWaffle if they want to.
20:52 DaemonFC; Modern Web sites have really no accessibility in mind at all.
20:53 DaemonFC; I was amused at how well some bittorrent Web sites function in Lynx.
20:53 schestowitz[TR]; yeah, I know what you mean
20:53 schestowitz[TR]; I've moaned about this for years
20:53 DaemonFC; They display the infohash on the screen or you can select the link and copy just that part, and then when you open qbittorrent, it knows what's in the clipboard.
20:54 DaemonFC; At least something browser-related that Lou Montulli was involved with is alive and kicking.
20:54 DaemonFC; He was one of the main authors of Lynx when he was in college in the early 90s.
20:55 DaemonFC; It was meant to make it easy and fast to get at hypertext on the University's system.
20:55 DaemonFC; If NCSA Mosaic still worked, I'd probably be using that.
20:56 DaemonFC; The only branch that survived past 1997 was something that was really intended to be ran on Macs, which is unfortunate.
20:56 DaemonFC; The author of that fork described it as "Lynx with images". It could handle modern sites enough to do that.
20:57 DaemonFC; Without utterly collapsing Classic Mac OS on late 90s and early 2000s models.
20:57 DaemonFC; So that was an achievement.
20:57 DaemonFC; Classic Mac OS was a real piece of shit operating system.
20:57 DaemonFC; In many ways, Windows 98 was designed better than that.
20:58 schestowitz[TR]; multitasking was poor
20:58 schestowitz[TR]; I had an old mac at the office, it qwould lockm sometimes
20:58 DaemonFC; Windows 98 handled multitasking better without completely locking up vs. the Mac, and that ought to tell you how bad the Mac was.
20:59 DaemonFC; The Macs frequently locked up so bad that the only way to recover from it was yanking the power cord and hoping you didn't corrupt something that had been open.
20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
20:59 DaemonFC; Cooperative Multitasking is just another way of saying it multitasks until you run one badly written application that brings the whole computer down.
20:59 DaemonFC; So it's a joke.
21:00 DaemonFC; DOS or the Commodore were more desirable than this.
21:01 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/17/russian-tv-protester-marina-ovsyannikova-detained-near-moscow-news "Russian TV protester Marina Ovsyannikova detained near Moscow"
21:01 TR Bot; .
21:01 DaemonFC; DOS had no real concept of multitasking. There were TSRs, but those were really just managing the system in the background and were usually small and carefully written to where they didn't crash while you had another program up and running.
21:01 XRevan86; Warm welcome back to Moscow.
21:01 DaemonFC; And I liked DOS because of that.
21:01 DaemonFC; You opened Windows, you had no idea what would happen.
21:02 DaemonFC; The Commodore Amiga was probably the first home computer that got multitasking right and wasn't a disaster.
21:03 DaemonFC; But I had one of the old Commodores that had a BASIC that they co-developed with Microsoft, but that wasn't the OS. The OS was a really minimalistic program that was essentially what we'd call a set of BIOS interfaces, called KERNAL (yes, that's how it was spelled).
21:04 DaemonFC; You never interacted with it as a user, directly. It interacted with the program you had open, and there was no multitasking really.
21:05 DaemonFC; So at like 4 or 5 years old I had the Commodore, and I ran my software for it off of tape drives and really large floppy disks.
21:05 DaemonFC; And even the Commodore at that point was more capable than a typical DOS computer, for another 10 years or so, in some ways, if the programmer was careful to do things efficiently.
21:06 DaemonFC; I wouldn't say that DOS clearly pulled out ahead of the 80s Commodores in video gaming until you started to see things like X-Wing and DOOM.
21:07 DaemonFC; But by that point, you expected it to, right? You had a computer with a 386 or 486 and 4, 8, or 16 MB of RAM.
21:08 DaemonFC; Not a CPU that was barely over 1 Mhz and 64 KB of RAM running things off floppies and tapes.
21:08 DaemonFC; The Amiga would have done a lot better except that it was really REALLY expensive.
21:09 DaemonFC; It had a feature set of a mid 90s (1995-1997) PC more than 10 years early. And the price you'd expect that to be in the mid 80s.
21:09 DaemonFC; People just weren't willing to pay that at that time, especially considering that the home computer market was still a novelty and most didn't even have any sort of network to connect it to.
21:11 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR], I think the modern Web is going to get bad to the point that people vomit and go back to text and selectively downloading things and so on as a protest.
21:11 DaemonFC; But the Web will obviously be there and "imposed" by certain things, like online shopping or some assholes that demand you bank with it.
21:12 DaemonFC; Governments will demand you use it to interact with them.
21:12 DaemonFC; It's just all the worst people who absolutely insist on these bloated Web sites. If Lynx can't handle it, it's because the people running the site are complete shitheads.
21:15 schestowitz[TR]; https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/04/21/manchester-town-hall-complaint/
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21:15 TR Bot; Blog Archive Manchester Town Hall Complaint (Updated)
21:16 TR News; "Im delighted to announce a new alpha release of GNU a2ps. This release involves minimal changes to functionality, but involves a considerable update to the build system and code cleanup and simplification, as well as bug fixes. See below for more details." http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10207
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21:16 TR Bot; GNU a2ps - News: a2ps 4.14.90 released [alpha] [Savannah]
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21:20 TR News; Highest temperature recorded on Earth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest_temperature_recorded_on_Earth Manchester forecast to have 40 degrees this week
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21:20 TR Bot; Highest temperature recorded on Earth - Wikipedia
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21:22 TR News; UK about to smash some temperature records https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_the_United_Kingdom
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21:22 TR Bot; Climate of the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
21:23 TR News; "A heatwave was officially declared on 22 June and it caused widespread drought, hosepipe bans and the 2018 United Kingdom wildfires. These series of wildfires worst affected moorland areas of the UK around the Greater Manchester region" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_European_heat_wave#United_Kingdom
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21:23 TR Bot; 2018 European heat wave - Wikipedia
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21:25 TR News; Tunisia 55 degrees in 7 July 1931 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weather_records#Hottest
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21:25 TR Bot; List of weather records - Wikipedia
21:27 TR News; United Kingdom record is 38.7 C (101.7 F) in Cambridge. We can beat that this week.
21:28 TR News; California 10 July 1913: temperature of 56.7 C (134.1 F) measure
21:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-16.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-17.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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21:30 TR News; In 7 February 1892 Russia measured 67.8 C in Siberia
21:32 TR News; Deadly hailstones https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weather_records#/media/File:Hailstone.jpg
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21:32 TR Bot; List of weather records - Wikipedia
21:35 TR News; "That smells like a compiler bug to me." https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/7/17/246
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21:35 TR Bot; LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: mainline build failure of powerpc allmodconfig for prom_init_check
21:36 TR News; Torvalds writing some mock code in his email client https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/7/17/152 https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/7/17/174
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21:36 TR Bot; LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: mainline build failure of powerpc allmodconfig for prom_init_check
21:36 TR Bot; LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: [patch 02/38] x86/cpu: Use native_wrmsrl() in load_percpu_segment()
21:46 Ariadne; ok
21:46 Ariadne; doing the xfs_repair
21:46 schestowitz[TR]; :-)
21:46 Ariadne; i asked the VM to stop
21:48 schestowitz[TR]; vda3
21:51 TR News; Three New Sparky 2022.07 Semi-Rolling Special Editions Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167339#comment-34376
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21:51 TR Bot; Sparky 2022.07 Special Editions | Tux Machines
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22:05 Ariadne; ok
22:05 Ariadne; xfs shit repaired
22:05 schestowitz[TR2]; YES!!
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22:05 schestowitz[TR2]; sounds like it went well
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22:06 schestowitz[TR2]; dmesg quiet since reboot
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22:07 MinceR; a little of the old in-out, in-out
22:07 Ariadne; though the underlying NAS volume is 4096-byte sectors, and the VM is using 512-byte sectors
22:07 Ariadne; that seems suboptimal
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22:09 Ariadne; whatever i will figure it out some other day
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22:11 TR News; The EPO Bubble Part VI From Humble Examiner to CO | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/razik-menidjel-explained/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/17/razik-menidjel-explained/
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22:11 TR Bot; The EPO Bubble Part VI From Humble Examiner to CO | Techrights
22:14 schestowitz[TR2]; we can stop swpats in europe ^^
22:14 schestowitz[TR2]; and by extension other places, too
22:14 schestowitz[TR2]; UPC will fall
22:14 schestowitz[TR2]; there's action planned
22:14 Ariadne; conf t
22:15 Ariadne; err
22:15 Ariadne; schestowitz[TR2]: new container ip: 204.197.160.2
22:16 schestowitz[TR2]; thanks!!
22:17 schestowitz[TR2]; news.tuxmachines.org assigned
22:18 Ariadne; tuxmachines-new
22:19 Ariadne; schestowitz[TR2]: techrights-new ip: 204.197.160.3
22:20 schestowitz[TR2]; thank you!
22:21 TR News; Three Main PC Operating Systems and #HowTo Choose the Best One for You Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167348
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22:21 TR Bot; Three Main PC Operating Systems and How to Choose the Best One for You | Tux Machines
22:22 Ariadne; schestowitz[TR2]: those containers are bare alpine ones, so you'll have to set up the jails appropriately
22:22 schestowitz[TR2]; apk add openssh first
22:22 schestowitz[TR2]; I got it from hv
22:23 Ariadne; i would suggest setting up some workflow where the site is built with CI
22:23 Ariadne; gitea + woodpecker or such
22:23 schestowitz[TR2]; we'll deploy from git
22:23 schestowitz[TR2]; but we've not added the files to git yet, want to move git to the alpine side
22:25 schestowitz[TR2]; fetch http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main/x86_64/APKINDEX.tar.gz
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22:25 schestowitz[TR2]; ERROR: http://dl-cdn.alpinelinux.org/alpine/edge/main: temporary error (try again later)
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22:25 TR Bot; Index of /alpine/edge/main/
22:25 schestowitz[TR2]; heh, I'll figure this out ...
22:25 Ariadne; oh
22:25 Ariadne; echo nameserver 9.9.9.9 > /etc/resolv.conf
22:26 schestowitz[TR2]; I'll run that
22:26 schestowitz[TR2]; ssh installed
22:26 XRevan86; I'd like to interject for a moment and note that the unrestricted version is 9.9.9.10
22:27 Ariadne; unrestricted version?
22:27 XRevan86; Ariadne: Quad9 by default is designed with malware blocking in mind.
22:27 XRevan86; A selling point if ye will.
22:27 Ariadne; i know
22:27 Ariadne; but in this case
22:27 Ariadne; does it matter ?
22:27 XRevan86; Is that really desirable on a server?
22:28 Ariadne; i don't see why not
22:28 XRevan86; If that triggers for whatever reason, it may complicate things.
22:28 Ariadne; is schestowitz[TR2] planning to connect to malware C&C servers ?
22:28 Ariadne; :)
22:29 schestowitz[TR2]; I'm setting up the users atm :-)
22:29 XRevan86; Ariadne: Is there a list publicly available?
22:29 Ariadne; a list of malware C&C servers?
22:29 XRevan86; Ariadne: That Quad9 blocks specifically.
22:29 Ariadne; no idea
22:30 Ariadne; i mean, he is free to use another DNS server if he wishes
22:30 Ariadne; 9.9.9.9 is just physically inside the same network
22:31 XRevan86; > Quad9 can protect mail servers against malicious hosts and phishing domains which appear in our blended threat intelligence list
22:31 XRevan86; Maybe that can be useful.
22:32 Ariadne; geeze you're scrutinizing this like its run by putin or something
22:32 Ariadne; all they do is download the various shadowserver lists and block the C&C domains in them
22:32 XRevan86; Ariadne: DNS interference does leave a bad taste in my mouth.
22:33 Ariadne; and if some weirdo does pop the ... legacy PHP tuxmachines/techrights shit
22:33 Ariadne; i'd like to make it a little difficult for him
22:33 Ariadne; lol
22:34 schestowitz[TR2]; heh
22:35 schestowitz[TR2]; ssh and account all set up, we'll deploy the rest in a procedural way so that iot is reproducible
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22:35 schestowitz[TR2]; I was gonna install apache and say thanks Ariadne in the default page for the new address
22:35 schestowitz[TR2]; bujt maybe we'll go with another webserver
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22:36 schestowitz[TR2]; http://gemini.techrights.org/ runs nginx
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22:36 schestowitz[TR2]; from my living room
22:36 TR Bot; Gemini Proxy for Techrights
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22:37 britney; Hi Ariadne :)
22:41 Ariadne; hi
22:42 TR News; Linux 5.19-rc7 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167349
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22:42 TR Bot; Linux 5.19-rc7 | Tux Machines
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23:09 schestowitz[TR2]; wb, matey
23:09 schestowitz[TR2]; we've moved to alpine
23:09 schestowitz[TR2]; well, technically thee sites have not yet
23:09 matey; thats better
23:09 schestowitz[TR2]; back to
23:09 schestowitz[TR2]; service something up/start
23:09 matey; if youre going to use gnu/linux (which alpine isnt, but gnu is dead anyway so)
23:09 schestowitz[TR2]; no "systemctl"
23:09 matey; then alpine is
23:10 matey; better than fedora, or most distros
23:10 matey; competent people
23:10 MinceR; i gave netbsd a try, it's hardware support isn't exactly impressive
23:10 MinceR; s/t's/ts/
23:10 matey; netbsd is a bit easier on some sbcs
23:10 matey; other than that its a pain
23:10 MinceR; i tried it on my ThinkPad X60s
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23:11 schestowitz[TR2]; starting the ssh daemon, setting to autorestart (rc), installing openssh takes less than a minute
23:11 matey; the mistake thats become the norm is thinking of software as a product
23:11 matey; the correct mentality (the one that actually serves us well, i mean)
23:11 matey; is the one that existed before microsoft
23:11 matey; software is a project
23:11 matey; you learn it, or someone helps you with it
23:12 MinceR; it's both
23:12 matey; software isnt a product-- and when it is, it sucks
23:12 matey; often it sucks anyway
23:12 MinceR; you can't really afford to be an expert in the entire stack anymore
23:12 matey; but when its a product, youre fucked
23:12 matey; im no expert
23:13 matey; we need projects that attract experts, or at least competent people
23:13 matey; are alpine devs experts? i dont know, how would i
23:13 matey; are they competent? i believe so
23:14 matey; i see plenty of competence expressed
23:14 MinceR; devs have to be experts, users don't
23:14 matey; users should have basic computer literacy
23:14 matey; they dont, thats something weve cheated them out of
23:14 MinceR; basic computer literacy is sufficient for using a product
23:14 matey; literacy isnt expertise
23:14 MinceR; not really sufficient for taking part in a project
23:14 matey; weve cheated them out of the basics
23:14 matey; the oil changes and gauge checking
23:14 matey; weve sacrificed the user to jiffy noob
23:15 mjg59_; I think Alpine is sufficiently tightly scoped that it's possible to be an expert in the entire stack
23:15 matey; everyone suffers for this-- including the devs
23:15 MinceR; i doubt it
23:15 matey; now most devs have to do a bunch of idiotic bullshit to placate people who dont even know what htey want
23:15 MinceR; part of that stack is a highly bloated kernel
23:16 matey; funnily enough, the biggest reason id never use alpine is the kernel
23:16 MinceR; i could spend days just going through menuconfig these days
23:16 matey; but they dont write the kernel so its sort of not their fault
23:16 matey; but you can blame them for using it-- i sort of do
23:16 matey; im trying to give credit where credits due
23:16 MinceR; and that's with user documentation built in
23:16 matey; so i dont even know what menuconfig is
23:16 MinceR; lol
23:17 matey; hey i managed to use gnu/linux for like a decade and a half without it
23:17 MinceR; it's a tool to configure the Linux you build
23:17 matey; if its related to
23:17 MinceR; what to build into the kernel, what to build as modules, what not to build, other stuff
23:17 matey; i was going to say, if its related to building the kernel, ive ever done that
23:17 matey; that was my guess based on the context of what you were saying
23:17 matey; the most complex thing ive ever built is cpython
23:17 matey; and only for openbsd
23:18 matey; menuconfig is part of a kernel i think is hopeless-- and you probably think so too
23:18 matey; linux is non-free
23:18 matey; linux-libre is at best, barely free
23:18 matey; but you know i consider unforkable to non-free and both are unforkable
23:19 mjg59_; Linux has a lot of code in it, but you don't need to care about most of it for most scenarios
23:19 MinceR; i don't think menuconfig is hopeless
23:19 matey; but you don't need to care about most of it for most scenarios <- and this is really true of most software
23:19 MinceR; i think Linux has too much stuff in it for its own good
23:19 matey; i think Linux has too much stuff in it for its own goo <- i agree with this too
23:20 matey; i dont code in c. i had a program in c with some kind of array in it (2d)
23:20 mjg59_; Being able to deal with the entire stack is about being able to work with everything that's relevant to the situation you're managing
23:20 matey; i changed the array which changed a graphical mask and managed to recompile it
23:20 matey; without really knowing c.
23:20 matey; needless to say
23:20 matey; i didnt understand 99% of the code
23:20 matey; and i didnt touch 99% of the ode
23:20 matey; and it was all really a single file.
23:21 mjg59_; Oh yeah the first patches I sent to anything show I really didn't understand C at the time
23:21 mjg59_; I still managed to fix dvdcss so it worked on my DVD drive
23:21 matey; but take the man page of mplayer for example
23:21 matey; im really glad that stuff is there
23:21 MinceR; i meant "being an expert in the entire stack" as being an expert in every element of the stack, to the point of being able to develop it and use it without user documentation
23:21 matey; but because its so much stuff, i have to save it-- then filter out the funny formatting
23:21 matey; then page through it just to get anything from the man page
23:21 MinceR; (as if it was your project)
23:21 matey; other than the basic options, which arent the ones i need a man page for
23:22 matey; i doubt mjg has an "i wrote linux" delusion
23:22 MinceR; i'm not referring to that
23:22 matey; he seems pretty realistic (about this)
23:22 MinceR; i'm referring to the "product" aspect of these projects
23:22 MinceR; something you can hand to a user and expect them to be able to use it
23:23 matey; but the best product wouldnt be a product
23:23 matey; it would be something they can always fix
23:23 matey; and i dont just mean source code
23:23 matey; though that should also be an option
23:23 matey; there are so many things that are broken that i can fix with just grep
23:23 matey; grep
23:23 matey; a tool consisting mostly of options i will never use
23:24 matey; 90% of my uses of group could be replaced with a 3 line python script
23:24 matey; but then grep is always there
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23:25 matey; (most regexes in python are a fucking pain but i only tried regexes in python once-- i mostly use grep without them)
23:25 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/17/the-trouble-with-ubuntu-snaps-ubuntu-and-ubuntu-derivatives/
23:25 TR Bot; The trouble with Ubuntu Snaps, Ubuntu, and Ubuntu derivatives. BaronHK's Rants
23:25 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], I used a meme.
23:25 matey; i use ^ and -v more than any other feature in grep
23:25 schestowitz[TR2]; i am making one now
23:25 matey; a regex?
23:25 schestowitz[TR2]; animated
23:25 schestowitz[TR2]; meme
23:26 DaemonFC; libdvdcss was one of my favorite programs before other people did the heavy lifting for me.
23:27 matey; people who reject solutions that contain 25-character lines of text will end up with solutions that require 25 libraries, which wont remain maintained or compatible
23:28 matey; the problem with products isnt just the philosophy
23:28 matey; products lead to takeovers
23:28 matey; projects have other shit to do
23:28 MinceR; then we're doomed
23:28 matey; yes
23:28 DaemonFC; The Blu Ray DRM doesn't even work. They used Blu Ray discs as a venus fly trap. The earliest set of demands it made on the user weren't that much worse than DVDs. You could even hook it up through Component Video (analog) and it looked great. Then they started enforcing a flag that said "downgrade this to 540p", and then the connectors were removed. Then you had to buy another player because it stopped agreeing to load new discs. Then once you
23:28 DaemonFC; had the next player, 5 years later, it refused to load new discs and they wanted you to pay for another player.
23:28 matey; as long as we rely on products, we are doomed
23:29 DaemonFC; But there are DVD players from the 90s that still play new releases.
23:29 MinceR; good luck being an expert in a kernel, a userland, a libc, a compiler and a web browser at the same time
23:29 matey; two people who agree on very little have debunked that as a requirement
23:29 MinceR; just to do your banking online
23:29 matey; stallman has never installed gnu/linux
23:29 matey; i have never compiled a kernel
23:29 MinceR; and then i didn't even mention the hardware
23:29 matey; same issue with hardware
23:29 MinceR; which is also made of products
23:29 matey; and cant be anymore
23:30 matey; will be, for some time
23:30 matey; has to stop
23:30 MinceR; rms relies on the services of others
23:30 MinceR; is that better than relying on products?
23:30 matey; depends on the services
23:30 MinceR; not even knowing how to install the os you're using?
23:30 matey; if you think im going for man-on-island, off-grid "independence" im not
23:31 matey; computers are good at automation
23:31 matey; if everyone had to write their own kernel, that would be fucking ridiculous
23:31 matey; even if everybody compiled their own kernel, it would have to be REALLY EASY to do
23:31 matey; some would argue it is.
23:31 matey; you dispute it, youre a software engineer
23:31 matey; youre not a shill
23:31 matey; so it cant be THAT easy
23:32 matey; fwiw i never thought it was easy to compile the kernel
23:32 matey; you just support that
23:32 DaemonFC; It wasn't that difficult to compile a kernel the last time I did it.
23:32 matey; point being
23:32 matey; someone else writes a kernel
23:32 matey; someone else wrote grep
23:32 matey; someone else wrote python
23:32 matey; thats ok
23:33 matey; (id like a lighter version of python too)
23:33 MinceR; 18 003135 < matey> even if everybody compiled their own kernel, it would have to be REALLY EASY to do
23:33 MinceR; and that "REALLY EASY" is, in my opinion, what makes a product a product
23:33 TR News; [Meme] EPOs Presidential Lapdogs | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/presidential-lapdogs/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/17/presidential-lapdogs/
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23:33 TR Bot; [Meme] EPOs Presidential Lapdogs | Techrights
23:34 MinceR; i had to go through it yesterday, installing an OS i knew very little about
23:34 matey; products dont make things really easy
23:34 MinceR; and i could connect it to the Internet and run a web browser without knowing most of the stack because it was a product
23:34 matey; what products do is slightly different
23:35 MinceR; it was meant to be used by someone who wasn't at home in every project it is made of
23:35 matey; you dont have to know the stack for it to not be a product
23:35 mjg59_; Anyway, as we all know, if you don't have a CS degree you can't be an expert in anything related to software
23:35 matey; if you don't have a CS degree you can't be an expert in anything related to software <- call me sceptical
23:35 matey; /me assumes joke
23:36 MinceR; i wonder where mjg59_'s assertion comes from
23:36 matey; probably tongue in cheek
23:36 MinceR; i don't think mjg59_ even has a CS degree
23:36 TR News; Linux Weekly Roundup #191 https://www.linuxmadesimple.info/2022/07/linux-weekly-roundup-191.html
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23:36 TR Bot; Linux Weekly Roundup #191
23:36 matey; bio?
23:36 MinceR; something like that, i think
23:36 schestowitz[TR2]; you can be a pilot without going to relevant training
23:36 MinceR; my degree isn't CS either, it's from the more technical side of things :)
23:36 schestowitz[TR2]; I can be a d.r as in GP without going to med school
23:36 mjg59_; Yeah I don't have a CS degree
23:36 schestowitz[TR2]; the title is important, not thse qualification
23:37 mjg59_; But Roy keeps complaining that because I don't have a CS degree, I can't be an expert in anything related to software
23:37 matey; oh ok
23:37 MinceR; that's new to me
23:37 matey; no i believe it
23:37 matey; but the way he says it its probably just a poke at mjg specifically
23:37 matey; not a general-- truth
23:37 matey; he likes to imply mjg has no qualifications at all
23:38 matey; as a response to mjg making some assertions about security that i dont think please any of us
23:38 MinceR; no formal qualifications, perhaps
23:38 TR News; "There's so many fun pieces of software out there and some of that software is designed to replace standards especially some of the unix standards but should you actually use them or are they just a waste of time." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=u18mLXfQpOs
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23:38 TR Bot; Should You Ever Replace Core Linux Utils & Software? - Invidious
23:39 britney; mjg59_, are you a lizard?
23:39 matey; mostly i think mjg is on the wrong side, and i disagree with him VERY strongly on some thing i think are important
23:39 matey; thats different from having no qualifications
23:39 schestowitz[TR2]; I could give people training sessions without qualifications either http://scifitness.co.uk/consultants/
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23:39 TR Bot; Consultants SCI Fitness
23:40 schestowitz[TR2]; it doesn't mean you feasibly cannot
23:40 schestowitz[TR2]; but you shout from a tall/high horse
23:40 schestowitz[TR2]; like you are a security guru
23:40 schestowitz[TR2]; but little to show for it
23:40 schestowitz[TR2]; and you don't promote real security
23:40 matey; mjg says everything matter of factly (or seems to)
23:41 matey; but i know so many people that do that, its hard to single out anyone for it
23:41 mjg59_; britney: Not to the best of my knowledge
23:41 TR News; Today we take a closer look at Menidjels career at the EPO and why hes likely to be an enthusiastic proponent of patents on maths/algorithms something thats not meant to ever happen http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/razik-menidjel-explained/
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23:41 TR Bot; The EPO Bubble Part VI From Humble Examiner to CO | Techrights
23:41 matey; i could rant about mjg for hours, but i wouldnt bother with any critiques that i dont think apply to him
23:41 mjg59_; matey: I try to only say things here when I'm certain about things - if I'm uncertain, I stay quiet
23:41 TR News; At the EPO, one gets promoted not for hard work but for compliance (not with the law but with illegal instructions from management); it also helps to be French like Benot Battistelli and Antnio Campinos http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/presidential-lapdogs/
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23:41 TR Bot; [Meme] EPOs Presidential Lapdogs | Techrights
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23:42 techrights_guest|36; ay
23:42 schestowitz[TR2]; hrelo, techrights_guest|36
23:42 schestowitz[TR2]; *hello
23:42 matey; I try to only say things here when I'm certain about things <- i dont even bother going that far
23:42 matey; if im uncertain, ill say something
23:42 matey; but there are caveats
23:42 matey; sometimes mincer debunks something instantly
23:43 schestowitz[TR2]; it's a cancel fishing expedition
23:43 matey; like when he said he would take turing complete over memory safe :)
23:43 schestowitz[TR2]; looking for some BS
23:43 schestowitz[TR2]; like someone talking of "reptilians"
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23:43 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> it's a cancel fishing expedition <schestowitz[TR2]> looking for some B
23:43 schestowitz[TR2]; and then painting the whole site as such
23:43 matey; oh, probably
23:43 schestowitz[TR2]; to make it seem bad
23:43 matey; but if so the dossier must be in the terabytes by now
23:43 schestowitz[TR2]; it's not about quantities
23:43 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe typos go in the dossiers too
23:43 MinceR; maybe they've built a datacenter in the desert to hold it :>
23:44 schestowitz[TR2]; though IU prefer to be judged on texts in the site, not irc
23:44 matey; dont be a tinfoil hat, mincer
23:44 MinceR; no need for that
23:44 phanes; the solution to a smear campaign is to bolt your jaws down on the primary actor
23:44 matey; there were never any datacentres, and we have always been at war with eurasia
23:44 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: can I reproduce pls?
23:44 matey; on the primary actor <- what if there is no primary actor?
23:44 phanes; so let them crazy-make about reptilians
23:44 phanes; there always is
23:45 matey; maybe
23:45 schestowitz[TR2]; I would report typos as I go through it
23:45 matey; im not sure this time (but i still suspect it)
23:45 phanes; sometimes its a small group of primary actors
23:45 phanes; look for NPD behaviours in the primary publisher's circles
23:45 matey; well those are all over the place
23:45 matey; the whole industry is like that
23:46 matey; the water underground microsoft and ibm is probably pink ghostbusters sludge
23:46 phanes; there is a high percentage of narcissists yes but at the core of almost all of those is narcissistic injury or opportunistic exploitation, both of which are serial events for the primary actor
23:46 matey; holy shit its phanes
23:46 matey; i just realise
23:46 *phanes tips his hat
23:46 mjg59_; phanes: Why did you write an entire blog about your ex-fiance and then edit it to replace your name with a fake one?
23:47 britney; its not just reptilians, there are also the hive mind super computer made of neanderthal brains
23:47 britney; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl8Bk176B_o&t=9s
=> ↺ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl8Bk176B_o&t=9s
23:47 TR Bot; https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=Gl8Bk176B_o
=> ↺ https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=Gl8Bk176B_o
23:47 TR Bot; invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | Glen Kealey - Workshop #1 - Invidious
23:47 phanes; britney: wut lol
23:47 britney; check out the video
23:48 phanes; matey: anyway, NPD always self-destructs. I've got some experience with this. I've got one that's self-destructing on me right now and has no idea.
23:48 mjg59_; phanes: Who even is "Jerry Thibodeau"?
23:48 matey; yeah we come from similar schools on this
23:48 britney; deep underground, in the moho discontinuity, theres a hive mind super computer
23:48 matey; different politics, but similar experience
23:48 MinceR;
23:49 matey; in the moho discontinuity <- first ive heard of this one
23:49 phanes; He's in deep, deep over his head with a shallow intellect that's been hyped up by pedigree and association, and he's repeatedly stepping on every rake in sight with abandon.
23:49 phanes; I love this part
23:49 mjg59_; phanes: It's especially weird because you left your name in the blog title
23:49 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: bon appetite
23:50 britney; the reptilians and neanderthals play us like a grand game of chess
23:50 mjg59_; phanes: Guess you just like writing stuff where you use someone else's name? Odd pattern of behaviour tbh
23:50 matey; schestowitz[TR2]: wrong autocomplete?
23:50 mjg59_; (People should feel free to /msg me for links)
23:51 matey; /me is curious what the worst thing the thought police have on phanes is
23:51 matey; note that cancel culture doesnt always get it wrong. even a busted clock is right twice a day
23:51 MinceR; depends on what sort of clock and how it's busted :>
23:52 matey; if its a sundial and the sun explodes
23:52 MinceR; lol
23:52 matey; it hardly matters what time it is
23:52 phanes; mjg59_: Well whatever you do, definitely don't think you're walking right into blowback.
23:52 mjg59_; phanes: That doesn't seem like an answer to my questions
23:53 phanes; mjg59_: I've dealt with "you" in many forms over the years. Your strategy is flawed and you have already been told how to fix your current problem.
23:54 matey; phanes: how do we fix the current problem?
23:54 matey; oh, his.
23:54 matey; ok how does he?
23:54 phanes; matey: I will respect his privacy on that.
23:54 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: jriddell left?
23:54 schestowitz[TR2]; I thought he had beenn pushed out
23:54 matey; that fair, i didnt know it was a privacy thing
23:54 mjg59_; I disclaim all privacy claims here
23:54 mjg59_; He's free to tell you whatever
23:54 DaemonFC; Yes, pushed out for criticizing the "Intellectual Property" bullshit.
23:54 matey; he wont bite though
23:55 DaemonFC; The "community" (Mark Shuttleworth) frowned on that.
23:55 matey; and i wasnt asking for details, just overview
23:55 matey; but i can see that probably isnt relevant here based on the... exchange
23:55 phanes; Oh, he'll bite. People who do stuff like this follow very set patterns and there are only so many options he can choose from.
23:55 matey; also sometimes overview sort of says everything
23:56 matey; mjg: what is your beef with phanes?
23:56 matey; asking you because youre more likely to give overview. but im not counting on it
23:56 matey; you were straightforward about what you disliked about rms and assange
23:56 mjg59_; matey: He told me he was going to have his lawyers send me a certified letter and then he never followed through
23:56 phanes; matey: he started to defame me, I research his background a little, and found that he's been defaming others for more than a decade.
23:56 matey; thanks both
23:56 phanes; So now he's getting exposed for it, and he's chewing his teeth out of his head looking for a way to retaliate that won't immediately burn him.
23:57 TR News; The Trouble With Ubuntu Snaps, Ubuntu, and Ubuntu Derivatives | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/trouble-with-ubuntu-snaps/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/17/trouble-with-ubuntu-snaps/
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23:57 TR Bot; The Trouble With Ubuntu Snaps, Ubuntu, and Ubuntu Derivatives | Techrights
23:57 phanes; He severely, severely underestimated my experience and adversarial aptitude.
23:57 mjg59_; Yeah, underestimated your willingness to lie about sending me a certified letter
23:57 schestowitz[TR2]; The "community" (Mark Shuttleworth
23:57 britney; The Trouble With Ubuntu Snaps, Ubuntu, and Ubuntu Derivatives | Techrights <---- But Roy runs KDE Neon
23:57 schestowitz[TR2]; community=M.S.
23:58 schestowitz[TR2]; ask SJVN
23:58 schestowitz[TR2]; Microsoft is "Linux company"
23:58 matey; does kde neon require snaps?
23:58 DaemonFC; NEON is an Ubuntu derivative.
23:58 DaemonFC; Probably why it has so damned many bugs.
23:58 matey; oh, neon is an ubuntu deriv
23:58 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: no
23:58 schestowitz[TR2]; but it uses some
23:58 schestowitz[TR2]; like when I install obs
23:58 DaemonFC; Ubuntu just can't quit crackpot patches.
23:58 schestowitz[TR2]; my main machine is still debian
23:58 DaemonFC; They say they can. But they never do.
23:58 matey; i figure it always will be
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