@tigase @andrzej I hope SOMEONE, ANYONE will get it across that if they want more acceptance of #XMPP they need to have a way to set up a PRIVATE (NOT "in the cloud") XMPP server that's drop-dead simple to set up and configure, and that does not EVER ask for a phone number. And as long as XMPP clients refuse to talk to servers with self-signed certificates, then they need to automate getting a valid certificate and renewing it.
The reason is that more people will become familiar with XMPP is they can EASILY set up an XMPP server for family/friends use. Maybe even just for use on their own private network. If you have to deal with configuration files or strange commands entered at the command line to manage the server (I am looking at you, #prosody) that is not easy. If you have to go and try to get a certificate or renew (and figure out how let's encrypt works) that is not easy, especially if you are not running any kind of public-facing web server.
Setting up an XMPP server should be easier than setting up something like Homelab. And if the attitude is that you don't want to make it as easy as possible for users, then don't shake your fist and yell at clouds when people choose an easy alternative such as #Signal. And yes that is a cloud service and asks for a phone number, but if you are just going to try and emulate that experience then the majority of people will say "I'd rather go with the service I have heard of, and that my friends/family use, rather than this XMPP thing I have never heard of and that will likely be a pain in the ass to deal with."
(Oh, and if you have set up a XMPP server for your friends and family and have set up their phones, laptops, and desktop computers to use it, that's great and I applaud you. But 99% of people don't have a "you" in our lives. And there might be a lot more "you"'s if XMPP weren't so damn difficult.)
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