Once again @pluralistic has managed to distill into once sentence something I've had trouble finding the words to explain. I'll be stealing this one!
"The classic leftist distinction goes: leftists want to abolish a system where 150 white men run the world; liberals want to replace half of those 150 with women, queers and people of color." https://pluralistic.net/2023/09/05/not-that-naomi/#if-the-naomi-be-klein-youre-doing-just-fine
See also: Why I refuse to be labeled as a 'Liberal'. (I'm not a 'Leftist' either, exactly. But I'll leave that for another toot.)
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@jackwilliambell @pluralistic There's an irony there only Americans can appreciate.
They literally conflate their two political parties with the whole truth of politics.
They result in a mishmash where they can say anything about anything and appear sharp and witty, yet has no application beyond their particular economic power structure.
I'm glad Europe isn't yet as fucked up talking about politics as they are. But hey, Elon is trying to get us there too.
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@gimulnautti @pluralistic
The first thing to understand about USA politics is: everything is shifted one slot to the right.
Forex, Democrats aren't wishy-washy 'Liberals' really. They are more like a European Center Right party. What Europeans call 'Liberals', we call 'Socialists' and what Europeans call 'Socialists', we call 'Communists'.
The founding fathers of the USA tried to create a system hostile to political parties. In the end they created a system favorable to only two parties.
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@gimulnautti @pluralistic
The greatest trick Republicans ever pulled is convincing nearly everyone, including many Democratic Party members, that the Democratic Party is left-liberal and aligned with Marxism.
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@jackwilliambell @pluralistic @gimulnautti I’ve started to believe that the best path is to lean right into this: if the fascists call you a socialist, own that label…seize the means of production, redistribute unearned wealth. It’s long past time to stop letting billionaires and their puppets control the narrative.
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@ildiavolorosso @pluralistic @gimulnautti
You'll need another party to do that, because no matter how they are perceived the Democrats will remain who they are. See discussion above.
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@gimulnautti @jackwilliambell @pluralistic I agree. Strong doubts that Dems can or will allow any meaningful resistance.
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@ildiavolorosso @gimulnautti @jackwilliambell @pluralistic It's hard to offer much resistance when you have lost all branches of government in the elections.
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@tragiccommons @gimulnautti @jackwilliambell @pluralistic I don't think they offered much resistance (or even an agenda) when they had all three branches.
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@ildiavolorosso @tragiccommons @gimulnautti @pluralistic
Sure they did. It just wasn't what Democratic voters thought they were voting for. Which is nearly my entire point.
The USA was always open to its politics being co-opted by the mega-rich. We even attempted to limit their influence, especially after Nixon. But Citizens United put an end to that and now both major parties are owned lock, stock and barrel by oligarchs.
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