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Written by Jack William Bell on 2025-02-05 at 19:00

Once again @pluralistic has managed to distill into once sentence something I've had trouble finding the words to explain. I'll be stealing this one!

"The classic leftist distinction goes: leftists want to abolish a system where 150 white men run the world; liberals want to replace half of those 150 with women, queers and people of color." https://pluralistic.net/2023/09/05/not-that-naomi/#if-the-naomi-be-klein-youre-doing-just-fine

See also: Why I refuse to be labeled as a 'Liberal'. (I'm not a 'Leftist' either, exactly. But I'll leave that for another toot.)

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Written by Toni Aittoniemi on 2025-02-05 at 19:25

@jackwilliambell @pluralistic There's an irony there only Americans can appreciate.

They literally conflate their two political parties with the whole truth of politics.

They result in a mishmash where they can say anything about anything and appear sharp and witty, yet has no application beyond their particular economic power structure.

I'm glad Europe isn't yet as fucked up talking about politics as they are. But hey, Elon is trying to get us there too.

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Written by Jack William Bell on 2025-02-05 at 19:36

@gimulnautti @pluralistic

The first thing to understand about USA politics is: everything is shifted one slot to the right.

Forex, Democrats aren't wishy-washy 'Liberals' really. They are more like a European Center Right party. What Europeans call 'Liberals', we call 'Socialists' and what Europeans call 'Socialists', we call 'Communists'.

The founding fathers of the USA tried to create a system hostile to political parties. In the end they created a system favorable to only two parties.

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Written by 📄 Mehdi.doc on 2025-02-05 at 20:03

@jackwilliambell @gimulnautti @pluralistic

French socialists in the 90s were considered socialist capitalists, now they are social democrats. They are very sloppy leftists.

French communists are so instutionalized from unions supporting them that they become reactionary.

The leftist group that has a real clear agenda and that reassembled the left is called an antisemitic extremist group in the media (owned by christian capitalists).

Unfortunately we got the worse from US these past 25 years.

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