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Written by Molly White on 2025-02-05 at 15:47

https://slate.com/technology/2025/02/wikipedia-project-2025-heritage-foundation-doxing-editors-antisemitism.html

[#]Wikipedia #HeritageFoundation

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Written by Jeff Craig on 2025-02-05 at 15:48

@molly0xfff New sticker design?

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Written by Molly White on 2025-02-05 at 16:00

@foxxtrot ask and you shall receive https://store.mollywhite.net/products/come-and-take-it-pen-sticker

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Written by ahills on 2025-02-05 at 16:16

@molly0xfff It's a little disappointing to see the author give up on Wikipedia's behalf in the closing sentence:

The free encyclopedia will become too toxic to sustain.

Maybe it's just awkward editing, and it belongs in the paragraph above it—but this conclusion feels quite hostile, all but asking people to divest from the project.

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Written by Molly White on 2025-02-05 at 16:17

@ahills mm, i would have done the same

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Written by ahills on 2025-02-05 at 16:37

@molly0xfff Do you see it as a foregone conclusion?

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Written by Molly White on 2025-02-05 at 16:55

@ahills not at all. to clarify, i meant i would have made the same edits you mention to avoid ending with that apparent conclusion.

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Written by ahills on 2025-02-05 at 17:13

@molly0xfff Yeah. My charitable interpretation is that it's hyperbole meant to goad us into action. (Thanks for clarifying!)

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Written by Derrick Oswald on 2025-02-05 at 16:37

@molly0xfff

It's sad, but the experience that many occasional Wikipedia contributors have is there is a cabal of "in editors", that seem to orchestrate the deletionist movement to automatically remove any edits or new pages, to preserve an archaic view that Wikipedia should mimic a page-bound and somehow printable version of an encyclopedia.

I assume this is because there is no mechanism to support a bifurcated or multi-furcated reality in the Wikipedia/Wikimedia software.

So, IMHO, Wikipedia is stewing in it's own broth, by truncating the long tail of possible well meaning contributors, and thereby allowing focus groups, with possibly malicious intent, to hold sway in edits and arbitration.

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Written by Molly White on 2025-02-05 at 16:56

@derrickoswald it is possible for “wikipedia must be improved” and “wikipedia must be defended” to both be true

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Written by maybenot on 2025-02-05 at 17:19

@molly0xfff @derrickoswald

i'd even argue "it must be defended" precisely so it can "be improved"

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Written by Derrick Oswald on 2025-02-05 at 17:29

@maybenot @molly0xfff

Yes, Wikipedia "can be improved" and "can be defended" can both be true, but by alienating the long tail of contributors using gatekeeper policies, it has also eliminated the number of people with "skin in the game", so it becomes an almost-equal numbers struggle between a small number of Wikipedia editors and a small number of people in advocacy organizations.

By limiting participation from a broad segment of the interested public, Wikipedia has made support just a monetary issue and not a philosophical or justice issue, forgoing grass-roots public interest in favor of the closed-door quasi-democratic process.

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Written by Molly White on 2025-02-05 at 17:56

@derrickoswald @maybenot why do you speak as though alienating contributors is a part of Wikimedia’s express goals? Wikimedians throughout the movement, including myself, are working to improve this, and it’s frustrating to hear people suggest that “Wikipedia” is a monolith looking to limit participation

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Written by Toni Aittoniemi on 2025-02-05 at 17:08

@molly0xfff Heritage foundation is imitating China, not fighting it.

MAGA is imitating Russia, not fighting it.

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Written by Tim Hutchings on 2025-02-05 at 18:48

@molly0xfff It's going to be okay because Elon Musk just said that doxxing people taking over tech platforms is a crime, right?

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Written by ZAC on 2025-02-05 at 19:35

@molly0xfff

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