Ancestors

Written by tante on 2025-02-04 at 10:30

"my gut feeling is that we need 0 innovation to tackle at least 90% of the problems that challenge our societies, us as individuals and humanity as a whole. We just need to grow up and start doing the actual work."

(Original title: Innovation is a distraction)

https://tante.cc/2025/02/03/innovation-is-a-distraction/

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Written by moonglum on 2025-02-05 at 07:30

@tante I agree with the examples, but it is still a bit too simple to me. Air source heat pumps are an essential part of fighting climate change for heating our homes. They are not an “innovation” today, they are boring technology. But they have been an innovation at some point. And without that innovation, we would be in trouble. Same is true for photovoltaics etc. I strongly agree with “Let’s not do anything now, innovation will save us” to be entirely bullshit though.

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Written by tante on 2025-02-05 at 08:13

@moonglum Absolutely. I am also not saying (and hope that it did come across) that we are "done" finding new things. Heatpumps are as close to magic as we can come, they are amazing.

But for many of the massive problems we all face today we have the solutions. We don't need new better ones as much as we need deploying what we got (and deploy better things later when we find them).

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Descendants

Written by moonglum on 2025-02-05 at 08:20

@tante Maybe I read the post in a wrong mindset because of the “clickbaity” title 🤔 So what you are saying is “Sure, invent new things. But don’t let that stop you from using the solutions we already have.”?

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Written by tante on 2025-02-05 at 08:24

@moonglum Pretty much. My complaint is that a lot of required changes don't get implemented because "no, we'll invent a new thing that has not inconvenient side effects when applied. Just keep consuming"

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Written by moonglum on 2025-02-05 at 08:27

@tante Yes, totally agree with that 👍 Thanks for the clarification 😀

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Written by Michael Simons on 2025-02-05 at 08:44

@tante @moonglum

Great conversations, and I think the added examples of Heatpumps and PV really clarifies the difference between innovations for innovations and ultimate just "consume more" v scientific engineered with make things actually better by using less, or renewables or using in an optimised way.

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