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Written by Ulrik Nyman ⬡ on 2025-01-29 at 18:37

This sentiment "Effectively, that’s all any country has" about the two party system of the USA, seems so stupid that I have a hard time grasping that you can utter it!

It is probably because you are never introduced to any other type of election system?

Remember that Canadas system is just as broken even though they have more parites. "Canada's electoral system is a "first-past-the-post" system, which is formally referred to as a single-member plurality system."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_electoral_system

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Written by Extra_Special_Carbon on 2025-02-04 at 11:02

@UlrikNyman AOC and Nancy Pelosi would not be in the same party under your system. Yet, they both get seats to represent in our legislature. Rather than six or seven parties, we have primaries.

Any election system based on most votes ends up that way.

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Written by Ulrik Nyman ⬡ on 2025-02-04 at 11:29

@Extra_Special_Carbon

Yes, the point is that you need to change the election system

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Written by Ben Royce 🇺🇦 on 2025-02-04 at 11:32

@UlrikNyman @Extra_Special_Carbon

canada is parliamentary so 3rd parties are stable

usa needs ranked choice to get stable 3rd parties

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Written by Ulrik Nyman ⬡ on 2025-02-04 at 11:33

@benroyce @Extra_Special_Carbon Ranked choice voting is only a part of the solution. The main part of the solution is multi-member districts.

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Written by Ben Royce 🇺🇦 on 2025-02-04 at 11:48

@UlrikNyman @Extra_Special_Carbon

sure, there's plenty of improvements like multi-member

the difficulty is getting anything done

so i'm just aiming for the easiest change, with the most oomph behind it already, and that's ranked choice

unfortunately, the party dependent upon voter suppression (GOP) has noticed:

https://www.npr.org/2024/06/05/nx-s1-4969563/ranked-choice-voting-bans

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Written by Ulrik Nyman ⬡ on 2025-02-04 at 11:49

@benroyce @Extra_Special_Carbon I think the USA need a coalition of angry voters from both sides marching in the streets protesting for election reform.

Maybe with riots‽

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Written by Extra_Special_Carbon on 2025-02-04 at 11:55

@UlrikNyman @benroyce Our best hope is for the system to collapse from isolation. At this point, other countries have more influence than we do. With November’s election, we lost free and fair elections completely.

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Written by Ben Royce 🇺🇦 on 2025-02-04 at 11:59

@Extra_Special_Carbon @UlrikNyman

the problem with that thought is the amount of suffering involved

Show up in the primaries in 2026

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Written by Ulrik Nyman ⬡ on 2025-02-04 at 12:03

@benroyce @Extra_Special_Carbon If there will be primaries in 2026?

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Written by Ben Royce 🇺🇦 on 2025-02-04 at 12:09

@UlrikNyman @Extra_Special_Carbon

The states still control voting

I don't want to be airhead naive, but I also don't want to be mindlessly cynical. I need my sanity 😬

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Written by Ulrik Nyman ⬡ on 2025-02-04 at 12:10

@benroyce @Extra_Special_Carbon I am torn between hoping that things don't turn out as bad as it seems and hoping that everything explodes into chaos.

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Written by Ben Royce 🇺🇦 on 2025-02-04 at 12:51

@UlrikNyman @Extra_Special_Carbon

There's people who believe in "accelerationism": pushing for things to break to foster revolution

Problem is:

  1. The suffering would go off the charts

  1. Since it's chaos no one controls the outcome. Things might even come out worse

It's a lie that everyone would unite on one purpose as is envisioned. Certainly many would but factions with different visions would fight and the one that wins can be even worse than the rotten system everyone started fighting

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